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Martinus Crimson
U4-Q2V Liberation
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:13:00 -
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EVE-Online is not becomming WoW, the EVE forums are just becomming like the WoW ones, cause there is too many kids with too much time on thier hands thinking CCP should make the game exactly like they want. -----------------
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:24:00 -
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I just imagine a walking in stations designer sitting in front of a server, 2 ends of a LAN cable in his hands, trying to put them together
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:30:00 -
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it never fails to amuse me that joeys always hold up WoW as an example of a game played by joeys.
Eve players think that WoW players are morons, WoW players think that Eve players will deeply sad. This is the Internet. they're both right.
Eva and WoW are both superb games,and i'm pretty sure you'll find that a similar number of Eve and WoW's respective populations are complete ******* cretins.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry it never fails to amuse me that joeys always hold up WoW as an example of a game played by joeys.
Eve players think that WoW players are morons, WoW players think that Eve players will deeply sad. This is the Internet. they're both right.
Eva and WoW are both superb games,and i'm pretty sure you'll find that a similar number of Eve and WoW's respective populations are complete ******* cretins.
What you say?
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:45:00 -
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the internet sucks.
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gazarr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Walking in station, is something you can choose to use or not to use, and for me, it will be a cool feature.
Changes is always good in a game that never end, because the same up years after years will absolutely get boring, and many will leave EVE because there is nothing new in the game.
Bring back RMR, nerf nos ,nerf ECM Game sorted
kali sucks
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mallick Did you not get the memo? CCP is going to make walking in station just like Planetside. Meaning there will be a mini-FPS within the EVE universe. Imagine a raiding party attacking the station and stealing all yer lootZ? Not only that, it will also be used to conquer station and planets!
AMEN CCP!
tbfh that would beat the living **** out of pos wars.
POS's are ****house and they need to go.
Walking in stations will suck if all you can do is look at your ships... chill... talk etc. But if theres another game in there then why not? Its not hurting anyone.
Also: New forum please, this one is Mc******
Originally by: Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:31:00 -
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I agree! there sure is more whining and crying going on! I also dont think EVE ready for walk on stations yet as we need to sort out lag and bugs.
I dont agree that PVP what makes eve. It does not Mission to Mining makes eve as well. ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance!
"IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :) |
Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:03:00 -
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doom...DOOM!
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Kerfira My stuff...
You're a software engineer that supports blindly pulling in more programmeurs working on quite complex code... and while bugfixing is needed, so is new content, which is the ever present balancing act on these kind of ongoing projects ( and that I know all too well ) new functionality, fixing bugs, increasing performance... all of it's balanced, and that means not all bugs are fixed, you don't get all the functionality you want, and performance is never as good as you want it to be, but focus too hard on one area, and your product dies a horrible death. Cause people will ***** about whatever they kind find. And if CCP stopped doing any content for 6 months, but completely overhauled all the code ( k k make it a year ) people would whine as hard about the lack of content.
Who said I supported it
All I was really saying was that the excuse wasn't applicable since it CAN be done. It might or might not be a good idea to do it (this usually depends on priorities), but since I don't have any info about how CCP has prioritised, I wasn't commenting on that.
Adding new content is usually a good idea, but a lot of people (and this includes me), can't see the logic in adding a huge, purely cosmetic, change like walking in stations. The way it's described, it'll not add anything except pretty pictures of people and ships. It'll be the same as pretty structures in missions. First time you see them you go "Ooooh", after that, you ignore them....
Originally by: Gariuys Not too mention the problem, that as you should well know, that doubling the amount of programmers has as big a chance of halving the working being done, as it has on slightly improving the amount of work being done.
It is actually possible (though not easy) to achieve something that's pretty close to linear scalability, but it requires your team to be prepared and trained for it and your management should stay out of the way.
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Portios Smith
DNR Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:35:00 -
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If EVE is turning WOWish is not because of walking on stations, is the damn nerf anything that makes carebears whine trend that is rotting the game.
Mark my words cloaks are next and the carbears wont stop whining till its done.
Sad, very sad.
This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh
I am getting tha nerf bat and the mods wont stay out of my sig :( |
Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:42:00 -
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I for one cant wait to see what various ships look like inside the hanger... cap ships anyone (boing).
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:52:00 -
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Why do so many people start foaming at the mouth of the walking-in-stations bit in particular? If you don't like it, don't do it. In the meantime, it's a tool that could add a lot to the social element of the game, if done right.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:56:00 -
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Don't like ambulations? Don't like walking in stations?
Here a thought Don't dock.
The rest of us would like to have the new content and experience a new gameplay. There is always other space based pew pew game for you and it is called Star Wars Galaxy. It is quite fun. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grendelsbane Why do so many people start foaming at the mouth of the walking-in-stations bit in particular? If you don't like it, don't do it. In the meantime, it's a tool that could add a lot to the social element of the game, if done right.
Good question. And i hope they do it right, would be awesome walking around in a station, just hope they don't tie /dance to your race, cause I suspect that whatever they would come up with for intaki would be pretty g... interresting.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:01:00 -
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If i remember there will be NO /dance emotes :) might be wrong though.
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RobertAnton Wilson
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: RobertAnton Wilson on 26/04/2007 22:06:48 *******s.
EvE is not WoW and never will be. There are some drama queens about but they usually get ganked by accidental discharge of smartbombs by their corp or alliance mates.
I say CCP should nerf whining.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus If i remember there will be NO /dance emotes :) might be wrong though.
CCP did say there is no /dance for toons but I hope CCP will change their mind. Why all the trouble for toons if there is no /dance for socialising? I can't see a reason why people make toons but no emotes ... --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 26/04/2007 22:19:46
Originally by: Grendelsbane Why do so many people start foaming at the mouth of the walking-in-stations bit in particular? If you don't like it, don't do it. In the meantime, it's a tool that could add a lot to the social element of the game, if done right.
Gamers can generally be categorised in two different groups (with a lot of overlap, mind you)...
1. Those that like a game because of the gameplay. 2. Those that like a game because of the pretty graphics.
The first group probably couldn't care less about WIS, but they DO care that the gameplay is working. This group would rather have CCP working of fixing the gameplay than add content they won't use anyway. The second group will like WIS because it'll look cool.
However, as people grow older, they tend to gravitate from the second group to the first. EVE has a pretty old customer base (iirc) compared to games like the-game-I-will-not-mention, so that is probable another reason why a relative large part of the EVE playerbase see WIS as wasted.
Also consider.. If WIS is purely a graphical addition, like being pretty pictures of ships that you can rotate with people walking around etc., how long will it be before people tire of it? Generally, once people have seen a pretty picture, they'll not look at it again! What's important in a hangar for most people? Seeing that your ship is loaded with ammo as a movie, or getting it loaded with ammo in the fastest possible way? What's important at a corp meeting? That you can see avatars of other corp members moving around an imaginary meeting room, or the actual things you're talking about over TS?
That is the reason I personally think WIS is a waste of development effort. Not because _I_ will not use it, but because I think that very few others will really use or notice it once the initial 'Cool!' effect wears off. How often do we look at the pretty structures present in missions? They've taken hours for some dev to put together. We look at them once, say 'Cool', and don't look at them ever again....
Unless pretty pictures has a PURPOSE supported by gameplay, it'll just be eye candy which is NOT the reason many of the players play this game.
General advice: Stop whining! |
RU Sirius
Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/04/2007 22:19:46
Originally by: Grendelsbane Why do so many people start foaming at the mouth of the walking-in-stations bit in particular? If you don't like it, don't do it. In the meantime, it's a tool that could add a lot to the social element of the game, if done right.
Gamers can generally be categorised in two different groups (with a lot of overlap, mind you)...
1. Those that like a game because of the gameplay. 2. Those that like a game because of the pretty graphics.
The first group probably couldn't care less about WIS, but they DO care that the gameplay is working. This group would rather have CCP working of fixing the gameplay than add content they won't use anyway. The second group will like WIS because it'll look cool.
However, as people grow older, they tend to gravitate from the second group to the first. EVE has a pretty old customer base (iirc) compared to games like the-game-I-will-not-mention, so that is probable another reason why a relative large part of the EVE playerbase see WIS as wasted.
Also consider.. If WIS is purely a graphical addition, like being pretty pictures of ships that you can rotate with people walking around etc., how long will it be before people tire of it? Generally, once people have seen a pretty picture, they'll not look at it again! What's important in a hangar for most people? Seeing that your ship is loaded with ammo as a movie, or getting it loaded with ammo in the fastest possible way? What's important at a corp meeting? That you can see avatars of other corp members moving around an imaginary meeting room, or the actual things you're talking about over TS?
That is the reason I personally think WIS is a waste of development effort. Not because _I_ will not use it, but because I think that very few others will really use or notice it once the initial 'Cool!' effect wears off. How often do we look at the pretty structures present in missions? They've taken hours for some dev to put together. We look at them once, say 'Cool', and don't look at them ever again....
Unless pretty pictures has a PURPOSE supported by gameplay, it'll just be eye candy which is NOT the reason many of the players play this game.
No, disagree with almost everything you've said. I ogle my ships all the time both in space as I fly about and in stations when I should be fitting them or doing other more productive things because they look cool (well most of them do) I buy faction ships cause they look cool (and have cool mods) and I'm an older gamer who should know better than to spend half his free time playing a game. Game play is extremely important, however.
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari Gallente Federal Bank FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 22:56:00 -
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This game has gameplay.... time to finally bring it up to speed with newer games graphically and interaction wise.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.26 23:00:00 -
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And PEOPLE!
How else are we gonna beat the other MMO's with dancing videos.
Would someone think of the dancing videos!!
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.26 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones What the guy above said.
Ambulation people are <here> and the people fixing bugs, doing other stuff are <here>.
Ambulation people were hired for AMBULATION purposes.
They are probably not even part of the EVE team, more of the whitewolf team.
It's a free, non resource eating, addon to EVE that is well overdue, so shut it allready
That'sa all very well, but your Ambulation people <here> are going to finish their work sometime. And guess what? There will be bugs in it. The bugs will go from <here> to the people fixing bugs <there>. But the people probably won't.
If you are going to say there will be no new bugs in ambulation...please tell me, how is the weather on your planet? ---
I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment. |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.26 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area That'sa all very well, but your Ambulation people <here> are going to finish their work sometime. And guess what? There will be bugs in it. The bugs will go from <here> to the people fixing bugs <there>. But the people probably won't.
If you are going to say there will be no new bugs in ambulation...please tell me, how is the weather on your planet?
Well that's one thing i don't do, speculate too much. Who knows, maybe the people <here> will keep on it until it's good and ready and if there's any problems with it, the people <there> will tell the people <here> about it.
Oh and, weirder things have happened then bugfree add-ons, though, the weather is rather stormy at the moment
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.27 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 27/04/2007 00:47:56 I'm sure it have been told earlier in this topic, but i'm saying it again.
Walking in stations will be optional, so if you don't like it, then don't use 'Walk in stations'. Then use the normal thing when you are docked.
And i'm saying this to again, i think Walking in stations will be a cool feature, since i'm always welcoming new things into a game that never end.
A game that have the same things years after years with no new things will get boring, and many will quit because of that.
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.27 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus If i remember there will be NO /dance emotes :) might be wrong though.
CCP did say there is no /dance for toons but I hope CCP will change their mind. Why all the trouble for toons if there is no /dance for socialising? I can't see a reason why people make toons but no emotes ...
If they add /dance to Eve, I hope the effects are like IDDQD/IDKFA in Heretic.
/Ben
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Jawas
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.27 03:52:00 -
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Fleet battle looms and one side turns up for the battle. "So where's the opposition?"
Meanwhile, back in the station... "Bob is on their way to megablob us" "Never mind, stay here, maybe we can emote them to death."
-- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds. |
Cute SpyGirl
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:07:00 -
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What is wrong about brining in more people into EvE? It is about damn time that EvE removes some of the market share from WoW. Go EvE!! I will dance to this thread.
/dance
-Cute
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Magnum Omega
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:50:00 -
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What is wrong about being able to hire people into your corp while inside your awsome board room face to face?
Should we get rid of this forum too because we are not flying around in it?
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2007.04.27 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Portios Smith If EVE is turning WOWish is not because of walking on stations, is the damn nerf anything that makes carebears whine trend that is rotting the game.
Mark my words cloaks are next and the carbears wont stop whining till its done.
Sad, very sad.
Indeed, they are carebears who constantly keep whining about need to move L4 missions to lowsec "for sake of balance", they were carebears who abused scan probe changes so much that CCP had to hastily change those probes back, they were carebears who got so "happy" about wardeccing anything and everything that moves that CCP wardec costs were increased, not to mention all those carebears who keep whining that Warp to 0 killed PvP since it killed ability to gank newbies without instas.
It seems that there is a minority group of Eve players who seem to be utterly unable to admit a single bit of responsibility for their actions/consequences, and instead insist on picturing themselves as martyrs for True Eve Cause.
Sad indeed.
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