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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
616
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Posted - 2017.02.18 16:01:28 -
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Late last week, a thorny situation came to the attention of the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group.
Shortly after one of our former brothers in Pyre joined the Akagi Initiative, currently under contract with the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive, his former CEO Taisho Xun Yu of Sanxing [SANXI] attempted to exert diplomatic pressure on Akagi Initiative to fire said pilot, citing alleged earlier crimes against Sanxing security forces.
Considering this to be an intolerable breach of this pilot's honor and right to self-determination over the trivial matter of a small number of baseliner deaths, and preferring not to exert counter-pressure on respectable entities like I-RED or Akagi, we decided to reduce the credibility and potential impact of Sanxing sanctions by complete destruction of any and all of their in-space assets within our reach.
After a flurry of declarations and counter-declarations, and a surprise engagement with Electus Matari forces during the second vulnerability period of Sanxing's Astrahus citadel over Lirsautton V, this operation is now concluded with the destruction of said citadel, as well as all of Sanxing customs offices in the Lirsautton system, to little or no opposition.
Despite being among the opposing forces, we wish to extend our respect to Electus Matari, for its swift and surprising response. We also (grudgingly) commend Sanxing for the foresight of evacuating its citadel and other orbital hardware as soon as their destruction appeared certain, thus avoiding a great deal of graceless baseliner death.
With this, we consider the matter concluded.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
846
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Posted - 2017.02.18 16:23:14 -
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I would like to add my own acknowledgement of Electus Matari's bravery on the field, engaging both outgunned and outnumbered. It was good to see some of my old corp-mates in the field.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
337
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Posted - 2017.02.18 17:23:31 -
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For anyone reading who shares Sanxing's humanitarian priorities: An allied individual (who wasn't interested in being named) deployed an MTU net on our behalf to prevent oversized debris from reaching the atmosphere of Lirsautton V. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
850
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Posted - 2017.02.18 17:26:05 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:For anyone reading who shares Sanxing's humanitarian priorities: An allied individual (who wasn't interested in being named) deployed an MTU net on our behalf to prevent oversized debris from reaching the atmosphere of Lirsautton V.
It's fine, we salvaged the wreck anyway
We're not monsters.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
623
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Posted - 2017.02.18 17:32:29 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:We're not monsters. We're monsters who need to recoup ammo costs.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1035
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Posted - 2017.02.18 18:27:50 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:For anyone reading who shares Sanxing's humanitarian priorities: An allied individual (who wasn't interested in being named) deployed an MTU net on our behalf to prevent oversized debris from reaching the atmosphere of Lirsautton V. You refused to help victims of the Butcher's atrocities because SFRIM wouldn't free them. Priorities.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1240
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Posted - 2017.02.18 18:45:52 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:For anyone reading who shares Sanxing's humanitarian priorities: An allied individual (who wasn't interested in being named) deployed an MTU net on our behalf to prevent oversized debris from reaching the atmosphere of Lirsautton V. You refused to help victims of the Butcher's atrocities because SFRIM wouldn't free them. Priorities.
Why would anyone opposed to such things help Imperials feed the slave markets that fed the Clown in the first place? Don't be ridiculous. |
Avio Yaken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2276
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:09:18 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:For anyone reading who shares Sanxing's humanitarian priorities: An allied individual (who wasn't interested in being named) deployed an MTU net on our behalf to prevent oversized debris from reaching the atmosphere of Lirsautton V. You refused to help victims of the Butcher's atrocities because SFRIM wouldn't free them. Priorities. Why would anyone opposed to such things help Imperials feed the slave markets that fed the Clown in the first place? Don't be ridiculous.
Already with this slavery debate ****?
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1503
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:26:40 -
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Jev North wrote:With this, we consider the matter concluded.
Unfortunate, many also considered the matter closed. Until this statement. Such actions are seldom concluded cleanly or without cost. You would have done better to have enjoyed your victory in silence.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Zanzibar Heroshima
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
70
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:33:29 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Jev North wrote:With this, we consider the matter concluded. Unfortunate, many also considered the matter closed. Until this statement. Such actions are seldom concluded cleanly or without cost. You would have done better to have enjoyed your victory in silence.
Much like an Astrahus, words are cheap. |
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
630
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:36:16 -
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It's a statement of cessation of hostilities on our part. If you want to pursue this conflict further, well -- your decisions are your own. Although they, too, will have consequences.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Onesimus D
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:44:17 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Jev North wrote:With this, we consider the matter concluded. Unfortunate, many also considered the matter closed. Until this statement. Such actions are seldom concluded cleanly or without cost. You would have done better to have enjoyed your victory in silence.
That's nice. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
383
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Posted - 2017.02.18 19:55:36 -
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I was truly sad to see Minmatar loss of life and assets in this conflict. However I can respect Electus Matari for their valiant aid of their friends against overwhelming odds. |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
345
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:23:37 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:I was truly sad to see Minmatar loss of life and assets in this conflict. However I can respect Electus Matari for their valiant aid of their friends against overwhelming odds. The absence of those who died can't be filled. As long as we live and longer, we'll be thankful to Electus Matari. Through a neutral party we made sure survivors were safeguarded and remains were retrieved. Family and clan funeral traditions are being facilitated. |
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
553
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:24:00 -
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It's good to see old friends stick up for one of our own. |
Khiel Yat Ojin
Sanxing
5
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:31:08 -
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I would also like to extend my thanks to the Electus Matari. A personGÇÖs honor can only be breached or magnified by their own choice of action, and by bravely flying as they did to our aid, against even an overwhelming show of force, they have demonstrated theirs to be both true and courageous. |
Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
39
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Posted - 2017.02.18 20:37:44 -
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Khiel Yat Ojin wrote:I would also like to extend my thanks to the Electus Matari. A personGÇÖs honor can only be breached or magnified by their own choice of action, and by bravely flying as they did to our aid, against even an overwhelming show of force, they have demonstrated theirs to be both true and courageous.
Hear hear. A well chosen ally and a fine opponent.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3040
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Posted - 2017.02.18 21:22:42 -
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It is still unclear, what pilot honor was under question and what sort of crimes did he or she commit? Were they real crimes or slanders?
Shouldn't the crimes be investigated first before making decisions? I don't know about Akagi policies, but in Caldari State corporations very thoroughly study candidatures, especially if they were known to change allegiance, and all alleged claims about any of their crimes are investigated.
Of course I am not saying that Akagi should follow Caldari protocols (more to show that Caldari system is more efficient than Akagi's). What I am going to say, that considering the message that was delivered is looking as a justification or even an excuse for the initiated attack, hiding core facts look more than suspicious.
And while I applaud for the destruction of any Federal-aligned property, I do question ulterior motives of such attack, because, honestly, it looks at the moment mere as a typical pirate extortion attempt, hidden behind unverifiable words.
If you don't like that form of.... aura, maybe you could provide us with more information about the case, so the readers of IGS could make the judgment based on facts, and not words.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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DeadRow
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
299
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Posted - 2017.02.18 21:49:07 -
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Diana Kim wrote:honestly, it looks at the moment mere as a typical pirate extortion attempt, hidden behind unverifiable words.
If we wanted to extort something out of Sanxing surely we would have done so before we blew up their stuff? No, a pilot in good standing with us was slighted so we took appropriate action as we saw fit.
-Hikari |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3043
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Posted - 2017.02.18 21:53:52 -
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DeadRow wrote:Diana Kim wrote:honestly, it looks at the moment mere as a typical pirate extortion attempt, hidden behind unverifiable words. If we wanted to extort something out of Sanxing surely we would have done so before we blew up their stuff? No, a pilot in good standing with us was slighted so we took appropriate action as we saw fit. -Hikari It still doesn't answer the questions. Please don't prevaricate and give us some facts. Who was it? What did he or she do? Was it investigated? What did investigation show?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
41
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:00:24 -
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Diana Kim wrote: Please don't prevaricate and give us some facts.
Miss Kim,
We will not be pandering to the court of public opinion on this matter. We've outlined the action that was taken, and that is all the explanation that we feel is owed.
You may have better luck contacting MITG pilots privately.
Regards, Celeste.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1283
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:01:06 -
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While I can't speak to that, Diana, as I believe such details are up to my superiors and those directly involved first hand. I can speak to something more direct.
To add on to what was already stated by Sanxing and others, the orbital infrastructure in question was all evacuated at the time of destruction. There was some movement detected by sensors but according to the logs we took it was purely automated processes. Trams, assembly lines, cargo tubes, and the like.
For any interested parties I took detailed sensor logs both before, during, and after the final bombardment. Sensor logs before and after the attack were from high powered sensor suites on board my personal Buzzard class scout ship. During the bombardment however, fleet protocol had me in a Raven class battleship. And as such while those logs can be provided they are not as conclusive as the other ship logs available.
Additionally, biomass surveys of the wreckage from the Noctis ship I commanded that we had scouring the site confirmed no humanoid biomass save for spare unactivated clones, food stores, and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown. Additional compliments to Sanxing for the deployment of the MTU, as we were not able to have salvage ships on site as soon as the Astrahus was destroyed. Their thinking probably saved the inhabitants of Lirsautton V from needless debris showers over the next several weeks. |
Khiel Yat Ojin
Sanxing
11
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:25:25 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown.
Ah, I would put that down to a misplaced Fedo population that had taken up their homes within vents of the lower levels, the dealing with which was abandoned due to evacuation efforts, along with micro-fauna brought into for the development of healthy maturation of various eco-spaces we had under construction. Livestock in transit and companion animals were, to my knowledge, all safely evacuated along with baseliner inhabitants responsible for them. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1285
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Posted - 2017.02.18 22:39:26 -
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Khiel Yat Ojin wrote:Evi Polevhia wrote:and various animal life that was not evacuated for reasons unknown. Ah, I would put that down to a misplaced Fedo population that had taken up their homes within vents of the lower levels, the dealing with which was abandoned due to evacuation efforts, along with micro-fauna brought into for the development of healthy maturation of various eco-spaces we had under construction. Livestock in transit and companion animals were, to my knowledge, all safely evacuated along with baseliner inhabitants responsible for them.
Thank you for the clarification on the matter, sir. |
Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
330
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:12:29 -
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Jev North wrote:Shortly after one of our former brothers in Pyre joined the Akagi Initiative, currently under contract with the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive, his former CEO Taisho Xun Yu of Sanxing [SANXI] attempted to exert diplomatic pressure on Akagi Initiative to fire said pilot, citing alleged earlier crimes against Sanxing security forces.
Considering this to be an intolerable breach of this pilot's honor and right to self-determination over the trivial matter of a small number of baseliner deaths, and preferring not to exert counter-pressure on respectable entities like I-RED or Akagi, we decided instead to reduce the credibility and potential impact of Sanxing sanctions by complete destruction of any and all of their in-space assets within our reach.
In all honesty, it just sounds like you wanted an excuse to pad the killboards with a relatively undefended Astrahaus because preying on sheep is easier as a starving wolf. Does I-RED always war-dec people who hurt their feelings or just humanitarian organizations?
Is it really worth defending the honor of a whining criminal who's incapable of claiming responsibility for his actions? Would you like the records proving him responsible for his "alleged" crimes? Would you really sit there and destroy an entire Citadel because somebody hurt your feewings? Really?
You want to know a response to diplomatic pressure you could have used instead of flinging ships at the problem? "No."
Don't hide this under some shame of honoring another pilot's dignity. It's just a thinly veneered attempt at rationalizing more generic Capsuleer bloodlust.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
636
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:23:52 -
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Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM?
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
334
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:30:23 -
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Jev North wrote:Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM?
You're avoiding the points I made with the hope that with either way I answer, you can either blow me off (if unofficial) or threaten me (official).
Could you imagine, for just a moment, the reason a man in a humanitarian organization would critique the corporation responsible for the destruction of another humanitarian organization?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1035
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:33:56 -
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SFRIM is a humanitarian organization now?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Zanzibar Heroshima
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
73
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:35:14 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:Jev North wrote:Are you speaking these accusations in any kind of official capacity for SFRIM? You're avoiding the points I made with the hope that with either way I answer, you can either blow me off (if unofficial) or threaten me (official). Could you imagine, for just a moment, the reason a man in a humanitarian organization would critique the corporation responsible for the destruction of another humanitarian organization?
Mr. Schmidt, your answer to Ms. North's question depends upon whether or not we give you the time of day, I humbly ask you answer it. |
Julianni Avala
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
142
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:36:05 -
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It would be appreciated if I-RED was kept out of this accusation Mister Schmidt, as we are not aligned with the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group, and were not in any way a part of their original war declaration. Their decision to go to war so was their own.
We will not speak on behalf of Akagi's decision for their actions, as they are employed by us through a contract and they have their own decisions that they make.
I-RED has it's own reasons for the war that have been communicated to the effected party itself and no outside parties, as it should be.
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