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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:40:46 -
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Julianni Avala wrote:It would be appreciated if I-RED was kept out of this accusation Mister Schmidt, as we are not aligned with the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group, and were not in any way a part of their original war declaration. Their decision to go to war so was their own.
We will not speak on behalf of Akagi's decision for their actions, as they are employed by us through a contract and they have their own decisions that they make.
I-RED has it's own reasons for the war that have been communicated to the effected party itself and no outside parties, as it should be.
My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many.
Hey Look, I'm Threatening wrote:Mr. Schmidt, your answer to Ms. North's question depends upon whether or not we give you the time of day, I humbly ask you answer it.
I'm glad you could humbly give me the time of day. How kind of you, really.
It's a public thread. That's my answer.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1036
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:43:43 -
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I will say, generally speaking, I miss the time when someone could make a post on their own thoughts and feelings without someone asking if it was the official position of the organization they happened to be a part of.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Zanzibar Heroshima
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
73
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:44:48 -
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Hey look, I can edit text strings too wrote:
I'm glad you could humbly give me the time of day. How kind of you, really.
It's a public thread. That's my answer.
So you aren't speaking in an official capacity, got it. Please refer to the original statement. |
Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
158
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:49:46 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many.
You are free to judge others on this public forum, I only ask you make educated judgements rather then assumptions. Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be.
This will be our last communique on the matter at this time. Rikaato.
I-RED Executor || Operation Grey Steel© Overseer || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
339
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Posted - 2017.02.18 23:53:17 -
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Alex Hinkelmann wrote:Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:My apologies in that, then. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors up about the whole sort of thing, and I don't mean to implicate those who'd have their reasons - no matter how petty, honestly - to keep it in-shop. Regardless, though, it doesn't stop me from my judgments, which of I have many. You are free to judge others on this public forum, I only ask you make educated judgements rather then assumptions. Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be. This will be our last communique on the matter at this time. Rikaato.
Just working off what was presented by the original poster.
Thanks for taking the time to respond in a productive manner, at any rate. It is appreciated, for however much it's worth from a GalNet stranger such as myself.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1559
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:11:05 -
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Nice to see an alliance I once found respectable infected by open True Sansha loyalists.
The rest of this thread is a bunch of virtue signalling, or chest beating. Not really any different from any other day on the IGS...
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1036
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:12:07 -
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You forgot snarking and sniping.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Desiderya
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
1188
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:17:23 -
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Well, a refreshing reminder that some bonds last longer than formal employment contracts and a nice treatise on the value of friendship. Shame for people who got cought in the crossfire but it does look like a situation good leadership could have averted and mitigated.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
640
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:12:26 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I will say, generally speaking, I miss the time when someone could make a post on their own thoughts and feelings without someone asking if it was the official position of the organization they happened to be a part of. A great many people are having a great deal of thoughts and feelings over all of this. I'm only trying to sort out which ones I need to pay attention to.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1510
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Posted - 2017.02.19 02:00:19 -
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Alex Hinkelmann wrote: Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be.
I think we are well past that.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Liara Enith
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
21
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Posted - 2017.02.19 02:09:33 -
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As a former MCF1B member it does truly make me smile to see such a shining example of our continuing comradery. If a few baseliners had to perish for the point to be made, then ehh, so be it. |
Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1039
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Posted - 2017.02.19 03:16:59 -
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Jev North wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:I will say, generally speaking, I miss the time when someone could make a post on their own thoughts and feelings without someone asking if it was the official position of the organization they happened to be a part of. A great many people are having a great deal of thoughts and feelings over all of this. I'm only trying to sort out which ones I need to pay attention to. Yeah, I understand that. Everyone's got an opinion.
I myself have no official position on this, either as Lady Newelle's Director of Public Affairs, or as the SERAPH Commander.
I have many unofficial opinions though!
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3043
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Posted - 2017.02.19 03:33:57 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Alex Hinkelmann wrote: Ishukone-Raata is content to keep the matter between us and Sanxing as it should be. I think we are well past that. I agree since it has been posted here.
We demand details!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1039
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Posted - 2017.02.19 03:36:47 -
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I-RED: "We're going to keep what happened private." Diana Kim: "But you posted in public, so now you have to tell me."
Kim-haani. You owe me a new ******* control panel. Mine is covered in tea.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3045
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Posted - 2017.02.19 04:13:38 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:I-RED: "We're going to keep what happened private." Diana Kim: "But you posted in public, so now you have to tell me."
Kim-haani. You owe me a new ******* control panel. Mine is covered in tea. Guilty. I admit! Even in the Academy I was punished too often for the curiosity and putting my nose where it didn't belong.
I will gladly recompense you the panel, but please help me make them spill it out!
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1040
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Posted - 2017.02.19 04:34:34 -
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Let me ask you for your opinioned answer to this question: does I-RED, a Caldari Alliance, need a reason to go shoot at a Gallente corp?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9183
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Posted - 2017.02.19 04:45:51 -
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Alizabeth, you know full well the answer to that. Kim would sing Blaque's praises if it happened to besmirch those she considers traitors to her very particular variety of the Caldari way.
Actually, we may be onto something.
Satirical musical of a goose-stepping Kim?
"Springtime for Hee-eeeth and the Caldari! Winter for Gallente and Blaaaaque!"
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3045
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:15:03 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Let me ask you for your opinioned answer to this question: does I-RED, a Caldari Alliance, need a reason to go shoot at a Gallente corp? They're as much Caldari as Jaqus Roden is Imperial.
There is a reason for everything. There is a reason for Caldari to attack Gallente. And I guess there were reasons for I-RED to betray the State and sign treaty with Gallente. After such episodes it really doesn't look like they would attack anything just "becasue it is Gallente". Heck, even someone as myself, whom a lot of people know as intolerant to Federation and their lapdogs, wouldn't simply attack something just because it is "Gallente".
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3045
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:15:51 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Alizabeth, you know full well the answer to that. Kim would sing Blaque's praises if it happened to besmirch those she considers traitors to her very particular variety of the Caldari way.
Actually, we may be onto something.
Satirical musical of a goose-stepping Kim?
"Springtime for Hee-eeeth and the Caldari! Winter for Gallente and Blaaaaque!" And I see that Priano hnolku tyuui again opens her lying mouth about me. Looks like she simply can't change. To the rest of readers I'd like to remind that Makoto Priano is already known as a liar, who decided to lose her honor instead of standing for her slanderous words: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1040
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:22:39 -
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Empress Jamyl give me strength. You two. You fight more than my children do! They're twelve and ten and have an excuse.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3046
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:33:56 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Empress Jamyl give me strength. You two. You fight more than my children do! They're twelve and ten and have an excuse. I do not seek to fight with that disgusting liar Makoto Priano, as I think she already sank in a mud hole after I pointed her to that direction. But I won't stand her attempts at spreading more slanders against me or our glorious State and will step on her head each time she will pop it out it to say another stupid thing about me or our State.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1040
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:42:41 -
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Kim-hanni. Go to your room. Think about what you've done.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
366
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Posted - 2017.02.19 07:27:37 -
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I am deeply disappointed with how this situation has settled.
As a life-long Caldari, I find it both extremely distasteful and offensive that the sole justification for perpetrating these blatant acts of opportunistic greed and violence was the supposedly tainted "honor" of one individual. The subsequent actions taken by MTG and friends is a mockery of true honor, not the support of it. How dare you all appropriate a traditional and core value of Caldari society to justify these actions when much more appropriate alternatives could have and should have taken place first. And even if somehow the individual's honor was put into question by Sanxing, why does it matter? They are a Gallente-based corporation, and interaction with them can be ceased and no one would ever notice the loss. They may try to crawl into State territory shouting about this individual's dishonor and their shouts would fall upon rolling eyes and unreceptive ears. This is such a trivial and profoundly weak reason to try and justify reckless violence.
I have my sources, and I am deeply disturbed how quickly these declarations of war went into effect without exploring more sensible options beforehand. I am ashamed of my former employer for not following a just protocol and series of actions to investigate the claims put forth by Sanxing before escalating to a full blown war on behalf of Akagi. Ishukone is renown for being the most progressive megacorporation in terms of advancing a mutually beneficial and healthy relationship with our Federation neighbors. I-RED was founded upon the spirit and ideals set forth by the honorable Gariushi - who came closer than any other man in the history of the Caldari State to mending the wounds of old and creating a lasting peace between our two peoples. The rushed and immature decision to declare war on the prominent Sanxing without first exploring the various alternatives is a betrayal of those ideals. It is a betrayal of what I-RED stands for. It is a betrayal of Ishukone. Alex, my friend, how could you let this happen?
Utari Onzo wrote:Nice to see an alliance I once found respectable infected by open True Sansha loyalists. I strongly urge you to re-evaluate your understanding of the working contract that exists between I-RED and Akagi. Akagi is a completely autonomous entity operating under the legal banner of I-RED. The purpose of Akagi formally being in I-RED is to facilitate simplified logistics and handling of security contracts issued by I-RED or outside clients. Akagi, while formally operating under the banner of I-RED, is not I-RED. They have no seat on the I-RED Board of Directors, and I-RED, in turn, has no say outside the security contracts it issues in how Akagi chooses to operate or function.
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Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
163
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Posted - 2017.02.19 07:44:56 -
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Korsavius wrote:I-RED was founded upon the spirit and ideals set forth by the honorable Gariushi - who came closer than any other man in the history of the Caldari State to mending the wounds of old and creating a lasting peace between our two peoples. The rushed and immature decision to declare war on the prominent Sanxing without first exploring the various alternatives is a betrayal of those ideals. It is a betrayal of what I-RED stands for. It is a betrayal of Ishukone. Alex, my friend, how could you let this happen?
Lavius-haan, while you may have been informed on the matter it is clear you're missing key information. Ishukone-Raata was given an ultimatum to complete within a remarkably short time period, diplomacy was our strategy and still is. Other actors drew blades for their own purposes, we drew ours for our own.
I-RED Executor || Operation Grey Steel© Overseer || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
642
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Posted - 2017.02.19 07:48:51 -
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Korsavius wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Nice to see an alliance I once found respectable infected by open True Sansha loyalists. I strongly urge you to re-evaluate your understanding of the working contract that exists between I-RED and Akagi. Akagi is a completely autonomous entity operating under the legal banner of I-RED. The purpose of Akagi formally being in I-RED is to facilitate simplified logistics and handling of security contracts issued by I-RED or outside clients. Akagi, while formally operating under the banner of I-RED, is not I-RED. They have no seat on the I-RED Board of Directors, and I-RED, in turn, has no say outside the security contracts it issues in how Akagi chooses to operate or function.
Pilot Onzo is referring to TS-F's presence in the Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group, although it is interesting that you instantly believed an incorrect interpretation of the words of an unrelated capsuleer over, say, the judgment of Akagi itself, or your peers in I-RED.
Your further errors of reading comprehension include your claim honour -- not an uniquely Caldari virtue -- was our sole reason for doing this. We weighed as much or even more heavily this pilot's right to self-determination, in this case, the ability to freely associate with Akagi on their terms, not ones dictated by a former employer parted from under poor circumstances.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
356
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Posted - 2017.02.19 07:52:57 -
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Alex Hinkelmann wrote:Lavius-haan, while you may have been informed on the matter it is clear you're missing key information. Ishukone-Raata was given an ultimatum to complete within a remarkably short time period, diplomacy was our strategy and still is. Other actors drew blades for their own purposes, we drew ours for our own.
Negligence is not an absolution of responsibility.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Alex Hinkelmann
Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
165
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:04:32 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:Alex Hinkelmann wrote:Other actors drew blades for their own purposes, we drew ours for our own. Negligence is not an absolution of responsibility.
I seek no absolution, I've already acknowledged my failures and carry the burden they bring. As should other parties.
I-RED Executor || Operation Grey Steel© Overseer || Syndicate Stability Initiative II©
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Wren Villeneuve
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
57
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:50:32 -
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Korsavius wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Nice to see an alliance I once found respectable infected by open True Sansha loyalists. I strongly urge you to re-evaluate your understanding of the working contract that exists between I-RED and Akagi. Akagi is a completely autonomous entity operating under the legal banner of I-RED. The purpose of Akagi formally being in I-RED is to facilitate simplified logistics and handling of security contracts issued by I-RED or outside clients. Akagi, while formally operating under the banner of I-RED, is not I-RED. They have no seat on the I-RED Board of Directors, and I-RED, in turn, has no say outside the security contracts it issues in how Akagi chooses to operate or function.
Unless there's been something Saya hasn't been telling me, I think you have a little bit of misunderstanding here.
For our part, as soon as a pilot is in our care, that's what matters - We will fight to the death to protect you. We were given a, frankly, unacceptable ultimatum by Sanxing and pushed for war on the basis that we knew we were not going to partially comply with the ultimatum.
Now, I'm not a Caldari, myself. I'm not even a very good Gallentean. I come from a whole other breed. I come from the breed where when someone talks down to you, you have a responsibility to take them outside and show them the errors of their ways. After the fight is done, you buy each other drinks and settle it.
I have no personal grudge against Sanxing, its leadership, and ESPECIALLY not its line members.
How Sanxing (the corporation) and Friends chooses to react to this is entirely up to them. So far I have not been impressed.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1565
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:17:19 -
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To be fair it's mostly the "friends" who weren't involved in the operation in the slightest on either side throwing their two isk in.
I could care less the business of two corporations conducting affairs by gunboat. I care that an alliance I respected once now holds a pack of Nation loyalists and apologists, which leads to a lot more difficult questions of why. A pilot's skillset and capability is one thing, but freely ignoring their ultimate ties of loyalty as if it didn't matter in the slightest?
MITG's choices are their own, but it should expect such choices to be considered by others and have long term implications on how others might view them.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1246
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:22:51 -
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Now now Utari. Noticing those little things like loyalties to Sansha's Nation etc is just inconvenient. You're such a meanie and a bully for taking such things into account.
Or that was the prevailing attitudes the last time the locusts swarmed. |
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