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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
366
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Posted - 2017.02.25 05:13:24 -
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It seems that lot of high sec ganking happens with expendable toons. Toon is deleted after it is used for high sec ganking and some even use alpha accounts for this. I have thought that high sec ganking with expendable toons should have consequences.
Omega account expendable toons: - If you delete toon with kill rights or capsuleer bounty then kill rights and capsuleer bounty become account wide meaning all toons in same account share kill rights and capsuleer bounties.
Alpha account expendable toons: - You get criminal flag when you gank someone in high sec. Alpha accounts should get half hour criminal flag that is not removed when your ship is destroyed. This still does not allow destroying your pod but you cannot fly any ship for half hour. There could also be 30 minute log off timer meaning you cannot log in any other toon in any account in 30 minutes.
Many high sec freighter ganks include up to 100+ capsuleers. There should be easy way to set kill rights for every capsuleer in your kill mail. Setting them one by one can be quite work.
Comments are welcome for my idea.
Mikhem
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Madd Adda
164
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Posted - 2017.02.25 05:20:27 -
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Isn't the biomass timer still 10 hours? that's a bit long to wait for an expendable pilot. Or are you speaking of expendable accounts?
Bounties are a complete joke, especially if all toons after deletion get the same amount of bounty.
one last thing
Quote: but you cannot fly any ship for half hour. There could also be 30 minute log off timer meaning you cannot log in any other toon in any account in 30 minutes.
that's a bit too harsh and restrictive, even for gankers...
Carebear extraordinaire
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3832
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Posted - 2017.02.25 05:37:18 -
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technically bio-massing to avoid consequences like standings hit is a no no iirc
BLOPS Hauler
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
366
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Posted - 2017.02.25 06:53:03 -
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Madd Adda wrote:Quote: but you cannot fly any ship for half hour. There could also be 30 minute log off timer meaning you cannot log in any other toon in any account in 30 minutes.
that's a bit too harsh and restrictive, even for gankers... But this restriction would only come for alpha account gankers (alpha account = free account).
edit:
Everyone is encouraged to use permanent omega account toons for high sec ganking with this system.
Mikhem
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
191
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Posted - 2017.02.25 08:13:39 -
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Mikhem wrote:It seems that lot of high sec ganking happens with expendable toons. Toon is deleted after it is used for high sec ganking and some even use alpha accounts for this. I have thought that high sec ganking with expendable toons should have consequences.
Omega account expendable toons: - If you delete toon with kill rights or capsuleer bounty then kill rights and capsuleer bounty become account wide meaning all toons in same account share kill rights and capsuleer bounties.
Comments are welcome for my idea.
it is against rule to biomass alt to avoid security status.
you bring solution to problem that don't exists |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
828
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:33:05 -
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There was discussion about safety locking Alphas in highsec when the concept was first introduced. The decision was that it was unnecessary and they should be able to participate in this aspect of the game. As someone who regularly flies the major trade routes, I don't see a problem. If CCP or CSM see a problem, they haven't mentioned it.
Non-consensual PVP is part of the game and essential to balance the economy. Stuff doesn't wear out or go obsolete - market demand is driven by destruction. As an industrialist, I take precautions and build an occasional loss into my business plan - no big deal. If you're getting blown up on a regular basis, you're doing something wrong - the way you play the game needs to change, not the game itself. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18687
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:48:49 -
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Deleting a character to avoid sec status penalties is a bannable offence and applies to both alpha and omega clones.
Mikhem wrote: There should be easy way to set kill rights for every capsuleer in your kill mail. Setting them one by one can be quite work.
Fair point. |
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
366
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:54:37 -
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unidenify wrote:it is against rule to biomass alt to avoid security status.
you bring solution to problem that don't exists
baltec1 wrote:Deleting a character to avoid sec status penalties is a bannable offence and applies to both alpha and omega clones. Thank you both for telling me this I didn't know there were limits for this.
Alpha accounts however are expendable accounts so problem is still here. I proposed solution for this. Alpha accounts can suicide gank in high sec only one time per half hour.
Mikhem
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3769
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Posted - 2017.02.25 12:07:59 -
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One time per half hour doesn't stop anything. Just log on a new alpha for the next gank.
Ganking is still so rare we shouldn't be nerfing it.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
71
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Posted - 2017.02.25 14:15:12 -
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There's nothing against gameplay rules and intentions with highsec ganking, nothing needs to get changed if it's working as intended. |
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1184
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Posted - 2017.02.25 15:59:15 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:There's nothing against gameplay rules and intentions with highsec ganking, nothing needs to get changed if it's working as intended. Essentially this statement is incorrect, ganking is not now and never has been an "intended" game play style so at this basic level ganking is not working as intended. On the other hand CCP has made it clear that they support ganking as an "emergent" game play style so so we are stuck with it for now. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1534
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Posted - 2017.02.25 19:35:28 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:There's nothing against gameplay rules and intentions with highsec ganking, nothing needs to get changed if it's working as intended. Essentially this statement is incorrect, ganking is not now and never has been an "intended" game play style so at this basic level ganking is not working as intended. On the other hand CCP has made it clear that they support ganking as an "emergent" game play style so so we are stuck with it for now. Emergent?
It's been in the game for 14 years. How long does it have to keep emerging for before it's just gameplay?
Where has CCP made it clear that ganking is emergent gameplay?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1534
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Posted - 2017.02.25 19:43:23 -
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Mikhem wrote:It seems that lot of high sec ganking happens with expendable toons. Toon is deleted after it is used for high sec ganking ... Any evidence for any of this being "a lot", or when you say "it seems...", you really mean, you dreamed it therefore it must be true?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Erich Einstein
Swoop Salvage
23
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Posted - 2017.02.25 21:08:34 -
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Here is a better alternative to highsec ganking balance: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=512384&find=unread |
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
366
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Posted - 2017.02.25 23:14:38 -
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I actually don't want to make high sec completely safe. Sense of danger is EVE. When you fly in space you take risk.
Mikhem
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1184
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Posted - 2017.02.26 14:51:09 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:There's nothing against gameplay rules and intentions with highsec ganking, nothing needs to get changed if it's working as intended. Essentially this statement is incorrect, ganking is not now and never has been an "intended" game play style so at this basic level ganking is not working as intended. On the other hand CCP has made it clear that they support ganking as an "emergent" game play style so so we are stuck with it for now. Emergent? It's been in the game for 14 years. How long does it have to keep emerging for before it's just gameplay? Where has CCP made it clear that ganking is emergent gameplay? I will try to find the link, lost it in a hard drive crash.
It will be an emergent game play style until it is removed, or the game of EvE is no longer available to play which ever comes first. Emergent game play is a statement of how it arrived in the game, not a statement of what it currently is. Other emergent game play activities that are quite popular are living in worm holes, the ability to solo 10/10 DeD sites and the ability to solo level 5 missions. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
76
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:28:05 -
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People who like to hole up in hisec feel like ganking is an unintentional side effect of this beast CCP created. In all reality, once you undock your ship is at risk and it should be that way. CONCORD doesn't show up immediately on purpose, Its unfortunate that you lost a ship, but you're going to lose hundreds. I've seen the argument thrown around it was never intentionally designed like that, and I've heard that argument for years and years now.
Yes people should be able to kill you if they can pop you before CONCORD shows up. |
Cristl
547
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Posted - 2017.02.26 16:50:51 -
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Quote:It is against the rules to biomass alts to avoid security status loss. Is farcical. I've never heard of anyone ever saying they were banned for this. That's from a dozen years of eve-o, kugu, scrap/failheap and reddit forums. Never.
How could they prove it? You'd just say you were sick of the name, or didn't like that character's reputation any longer. What, they're going to force you to fly to Iceland, inject sodium pentothol, extract a confession...? If they were serious about this then they would just not allow you to biomass with negative sec status - job done.
But ganking is fine. It's not a problem. Don't be overly lazy or stupid, or be prepared to pay an ISK cost for being lazy and/or stupid.
When ice chunks were in their old super-huge state, and after the barge rebalance, I mined ice in Halaima every day on two procurers while I walked my dog for an hour. Never killed or bumped once in about six months. In the heart of "code" territory, too. I guess two shit-fit procs just weren't tasty enough. *shrugs*
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1004
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Posted - 2017.02.26 23:20:21 -
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It's against the TOS to biomass/role new characters to avoid consequences of ganking. Report people who you think are doing that.
As far as ganking in general, it's harder than ever to do that now. If you're watching local and d-scanning, you will never be ganked. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
715
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Posted - 2017.02.27 05:32:26 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:It's against the TOS to biomass/role new characters to avoid consequences of ganking. Report people who you think are doing that.
As far as ganking in general, it's harder than ever to do that now. If you're watching local and d-scanning, you will never be ganked.
i blame the auto-pilot butaaaaaaaan!!!
Just Add Water
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
401
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Posted - 2017.02.27 11:50:12 -
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I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
736
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Posted - 2017.02.27 11:58:20 -
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Agondray wrote:I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking
wait what? you were able to evade concord after a gank?
Just Add Water
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Alecto Furia
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:13:02 -
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Did that carebear just admit to evading concord? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18705
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:30:31 -
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Mikhem wrote:
Alpha accounts however are expendable accounts so problem is still here. I proposed solution for this. Alpha accounts can suicide gank in high sec only one time per half hour.
Nothing is expendable, your basic alpha right out of the box is nowhere near as good as a well trained (sp wise) gank alt. Equally if you fire up a lot of alphas and discard them it will flag up as odd to CCP. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3853
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:31:50 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Agondray wrote:I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking wait what? you were able to evade concord after a gank?
looks like some one needs to meet the ban-hammer
BLOPS Hauler
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18705
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:32:17 -
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Agondray wrote:I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking
Are you saying you can gank a ship, fly to tether range and then the citadel will protect you from concord (via the tether mechanics)? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3853
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:47:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Agondray wrote:I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking Are you saying you can gank a ship, fly to tether range and then the citadel will protect you from concord (via the tether mechanics)?
i may go to sisi and test this if you can needs to be reported so CCP can fix
ofc he could just be talking out his ****
BLOPS Hauler
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18705
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Posted - 2017.02.27 12:52:21 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
i may go to sisi and test this if you can needs to be reported so CCP can fix
ofc he could just be talking out his ****
Could be but I find the idea plausible. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1005
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Posted - 2017.02.27 17:36:46 -
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Agondray wrote:I love how people say "ganking is more difficult than ever now" Ive ganked to try it, it was easy and boring, now with citadels you can sit 500k km off of a gate aligned even after having concord called after you and wait for the timer to end and warp off and do it again.
and its already in the eula of being against the rules if you biomass to avoid issues like low security status so you can keep ganking
So ganking is easy because you risk all accounts being banned by doing things that are against the TOS? |
Cristl
553
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Posted - 2017.02.27 17:45:30 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:It's against the TOS to biomass/role new characters to avoid consequences of ganking. Report people who you think are doing that. Sonya, you're never going to know who is recycling alts, because we don't know people's names or account-names. How could we possibly report people? Even if you used an API script to check thousands of characters daily to see if they had gone to Doomheim, how do you then prove they did it to avoid ganking? What does a disposable alpha account holder care? It's totally unenforceable, but:
Ganking is fine. Don't be silly or lazy, unless you're prepared to cover the costs of being silly or lazy.
End of debate.
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