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Dom Arkaral
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:33:37 -
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He asked you to link it,
you can't link it because it's not there
what are you trying to get out of this attention whoring?
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:36:17 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:You pathetic trolling and excuses are all the proof anyone needs. You wouldnt be so interested in trying to trash the tread for days at a time if the OP didn't have merit. The OP doesn't have merit based on anything factual posted, because nothing factual has been posted. It's all just opinion. Opinions are fine, but time and time again, some evidence to support what you are saying has been requested and ignored, time and time again, in favour of instead calling people trolls and repeating already stated opinions. Let's start with some evidence and work from there. So, for example, the thesis of your OP is: Given that, CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) and the security status are completely useless against repeat offenders (mainly -5.0 and lower) who fleet gank every 15min - 24hours a day. Yeah, im talking about those staged up in Jita V - Moon 17 station. Ganking as a profession and source of income should come with the requirement of having to manage and repair your security status based on the system that you are ganking in.Well, it's actually not a given at all. Where is the evidence that supports what you are claiming is a given? Your next claim in the OP is: To prevent alpha clones from continually being rolled and used as disposable gank toons, I propose that only omega pilots be allowed to set their safety to red, while alpha clones can only set their safety to yellow at most.Show us that this is occuring. Where is the evidence of characters being created, used for a short period to gank, then biomassed or just abandoned and new ones rolled. Where is the evidence that this is occurring and if you have the evidence, have you reported that via a support ticket?
Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time.
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:38:05 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:He asked you to link it, you can't link it because it's not there what are you trying to get out of this attention whoring?
I'm not going to waist my time... It's already there. When I post it, you will quickly troll it and it will become one of the "previous posts" again |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:40:11 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Dom Arkaral 4.92
hahahahah this is gold edit: wooo for 1k likes love you too Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks. Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete. Same analysis repeated for Goonswarm Federation for the last 1200 ship ganks:
Total ganks:1200
% outlaw:25.2% % not outlaw:74.8%
% outlaw attackers:60.0% % not outlaw attackers:40.0%
60% of Goon attackers appearing on ganks are outlaw.
They have far more people involved than CODE. (given Burn Jita, it's no surprise), but the bulk of ganking involves outlaw characters.
So back to the request to show proof that many do not repair their sec status, what more do you want?
Oh; and if you want to go look yourself, here's the data I pulled: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1nitFwBo5aAWTI3RU5nQ0IwTEU |
Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:41:42 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec:
They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them.
Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.
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Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:42:28 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:He asked you to link it, you can't link it because it's not there what are you trying to get out of this attention whoring? I'm not going to waist my time... It's already there. When I post it, you will quickly troll it and it will become one of the "previous posts" again Because it's not evidence. You've not once, throughout this entire thread posted any evidence to support your claim that ganking would benefit from a change such as yours.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:44:31 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list. So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims?
Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread. |
Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:46:44 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Dom Arkaral 4.92
hahahahah this is gold edit: wooo for 1k likes love you too Most of your kills in the last 2500 ganks by CODE. are wardec kills, not ganks. Who cares about code, they have already been shut down and no longer run any major ops. Just a few miners here and there. It's the goons in jita that are the focus. I need to update my slogan #codeCONTROL to #goonCONTROL so that you guys stop getting confused as to what the issue is hete. Same analysis repeated for Goonswarm Federation for the last 1200 ship ganks: Total ganks:1200 % outlaw:25.2% % not outlaw:74.8% % outlaw attackers:60.0% % not outlaw attackers:40.0% 60% of Goon attackers appearing on ganks are outlaw. They have far more people involved than CODE. (given Burn Jita, it's no surprise), but the bulk of ganking involves outlaw characters. So back to the request to show proof that many do not repair their sec status, what more do you want? Oh; and if you want to go look yourself, here's the data I pulled: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1nitFwBo5aAWTI3RU5nQ0IwTEU
Where are you getting the term oitlaw... This isn't the wild west. Please explain why you are not just using the word criminal.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:48:50 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. So your evidence for your claims is that we should all go find our own evidence to support you?
What if I do that and find out that your claim is not true? Will you believe me? I doubt it, which makes this a very poor basis for evidence.
You can either support your claims, or you can't. So far, you can't. |
Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:51:47 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Where are you getting the term oitlaw... This isn't the wild west. Please explain why you are not just using the word criminal.
OMG.
Outlaw is the game term for someone with a security status <= -5.0
Criminal is the terms for someone criminally flagged for 15 minutes.
They are not the same thing. I can go criminal by committing a criminal action, but that doesn't make me an outlaw. If I drop my sec status down, then I can be attacked at any point by anyone because I am an outlaw, even when not carrying a suspect or criminal flag.
Here, go read the details:
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-the-new-and-improved-crimewatch/ (crimewatch flags, including mention of assisting outlaws and attacking outlaws)
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Security_status (Eve-Uni wiki which CCP now recommend people use after closing the evewiki) |
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:51:56 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list. So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims? Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread. he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD
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Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:54:27 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
He isn't claiming it as fact. That whole section of his post starts "In a very selfish point of view: I wouldn't mind..."
What more proof do you want that he thinks that?
Why is his opinion what it is. There has to be proof that has lead him to his own opinion. Otherwise hes just crazy. Freighters are extremely effective at moving vast quantities of goods. When used properly they're also very safe, particularly jump freighters. The sheer potency of massive ships that can transport goods through just about any region of space much faster than regular transport ships in complete safety means they dominate the logistics sector. As a player that enjoys small-time f*&kery and small trading operations outside the safety of HiSec, that domination denies me a lot of opportunity in my preferred play style.
That's where my opinion comes from and why I wouldn't mind seeing JFs go *poof* in a cloud of magic dust.
That said, the knock on effects could be severe or even disastrous considering many large alliances are very much dependent on JF for their logistic needs. Without adequate replacement, nullsec empires could suffer greatly. I'm not so selfish that I'd make a serious suggestion on the matter because I don't feel my own desire for more profit should outweigh the enjoyment of many thousands of other players.
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.04 23:56:48 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list. So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims? Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread. he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD Says the individual who sits in Uedama day in / day-out |
Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:02:07 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Well go through and read all the posts, pick out what everyone has said and write it down, being sure not to repeat things. Then list it here in a post and we can discuss it from there. Be sure not to inject your own biased into this list. So, you can't even point to even a single piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread that can be discussed that supports your claims? Not even one? At least that confirms my own reading of the thread. he has evidence, but it's hidden like the ghostly reputation he has in Black Rise XD Says the individual who sits in Uedama day in / day-out Then just post a link to even one piece of evidence posted earlier in this thread. |
Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:02:49 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec: They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them. Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly.
And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking . |
Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:06:45 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec: They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them. Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly. And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking . Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:09:05 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec: They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them. Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly. And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking . Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit.
That's what their lowsec goon mains are for. Karma fleet is for insane isk generation so that they don't have to pay subscriptions ever. |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:09:54 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec: They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them. Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly. And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking . Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit. According to Erich, fun and profit is to be outlawed
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Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:21:37 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Jump in-game and follow them around for a day. Then tell me what faction police did besides follow them around the whole time. Yeah, I totally did that once. While in HiSec: They never ran any missions, didn't run exploration sites, didn't camp gates, had to rely on other people to scout targets for them. Faction police are so effective at what they do you simply they're not doing their jobs properly. And why would a gank team such as karmafleet be interested in anything in highsec but ganking . Same reason why anyone would be interested in anything: Fun and profit. That's what their lowsec goon mains are for. Karma fleet is for insane isk generation so that they don't have to pay subscriptions ever. Don't the ratting figures suggest they make their profit in null by slaughtering NPCs all day e'ry day?
I guess there's no reason you can't profit from both.
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:35:47 -
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Come on guys... We can make it to 10000 views. OP needs all-day everyday exposure. I believe in your troll.... |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:40:28 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Come on guys... We can make it to 10000 views. OP needs all-day everyday exposure. I believe in your troll.... Unfortunately you are trolling harder then anyone.
Views don't make an idea more likely to be implemented.
Good, objective argument supported by evidence is the way to influence CCP.
Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave. |
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:53:15 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.
So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages.... |
Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:56:55 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.
So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages.... If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages.
But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP.
If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start. |
Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.05 00:59:05 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.
So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages.... If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages. But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP. If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start. At best, he'll repeat his opinion or tell you to go find it yourself, again.
So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.
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Erich Einstein
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:09:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:
Everything else is a complete distraction and more likely to make them take one look, see the rubbish and leave.
So you admit you have been intentionally trashing the thread for the last 20 pages.... If by asking for evidence of what you claim and posting evidence of my own where I can, then I guess so, but I'm not sure I've been taking part for all of the last 20 pages. But, I'd be happy to discuss this objectively and look at what evidence there is to support the claims in the OP. If you can post some (or a link to even one piece of evidence that I haven't been able to find after looking through the whole thread), that would be a good start.
Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you. If you need easy proof that gankers are ignoring faction police mechanics, just go to Jita V - Moon 17 station and follow them around. You will see that faction police do nothing but trail them around all day long. You will also see that they dont quit warping (to prevent other players targeting their fleet) until they hit their target. Please post a video of yourself preventing them from ganking their target without going criminal yourself. You say that preventing a gank is easy, walk the walk and show us (throught a video) what you are insisting is so easy. |
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:11:18 -
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Hiasa Kite wrote:
So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.
... and this guy started copy and pasting walls of texts into his posts and has been flagged many times already. Go back and look at his posts 10 to 15 pages ago. |
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:17:25 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:
So, we'll he troll again or will he add something new to the conversation.
... and this guy started copy and pasting walls of texts into his posts and has been flagged many times already. Go back and look at his posts 10 to 15 pages ago. Yeah, just check my post history, this thread is pretty much the only one I've been posting in. You'll see me asking for proof, but I'm just constantly fobbed off and trolled. I must admit I've flagged a few of the most egregious troll attempts.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:17:55 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you. I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it.
However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier?
Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help (that's 800 posts), possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted. |
Hiasa Kite
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:20:32 -
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If the evidence existed, he would've linked it right in the OP. This thread has gone on for over a thousand posts and nothing has been presented.
I think it's safe to say at this point it's just a troll thread. Ugh, and I've posted so much in it.
Well, 9/10 OP. You got me.
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Posted - 2017.03.05 01:23:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Erich Einstein wrote:Im sorry that you keep insisting I repeat myself just because you joined the thread during its troll stages but if you cant go back and read anything then thats on you. I've already gone back and read the whole thread, but I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer, so may have missed it. However, having not been able to find even one piece of evidence, I'm just asking because you say it is there. Even just one link to evidence posted earlier? Even a rough guide to the page number of one piece of evidence is enough. It's been stated several times that it is there, so I'll happily go back and read it. Unfortunately, 'in the first 40 pages' is not much help, possibly because I'm just not smart enough to recognise where it has been posted.
Im sorry if you dont understand... not my problem. |
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