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Kaven Kantrix
Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:18:00 -
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Is the maxrunoutput for drones and ammo also 10? I was hoping it would be a lot more...
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Aykido
Gallente Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:38:00 -
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I think the max run on output BPCs should be equal to max run copy of a T2 BPO.
Selling PERFECT PRINTS of 674 of the 730 seeded T1 BPOs: Ships, modules, rigs, drones, ammo, probes, components and capital mods, drones & ammo. (Cap Ships, Cap Components and Outposts 2007/2008) |
Bambi
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kaven Kantrix Is the maxrunoutput for drones and ammo also 10? I was hoping it would be a lot more...
I have had unmodified success with cruise missiles, which gave the standard ME:-4 PE:-4 10 Runs. But you must keep in mind that 1 run of T2 missiles is 5000 units. Not done drones yet, just waiting for D.T to finish and I'll be bunging some Hornets in for invention.
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.06.27 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kaven Kantrix Is the maxrunoutput for drones and ammo also 10? I was hoping it would be a lot more...
My sentry drones gave 10 runs, so for drones thats a yes as well for drones (at least big ones...).
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Yulada
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.06.29 14:58:00 -
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If you buy an interface do you need to buy a new one each time you try to invent off a T1 BPO or does it last forever???
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QuakeGod
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Posted - 2007.07.01 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yulada If you buy an interface do you need to buy a new one each time you try to invent off a T1 BPO or does it last forever???
The interface will last forever. Only the BPC, datacores, base item and decryptor are used up.
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GraylStorm
Gallente Asgard Industries Safe And Fun Environment
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Posted - 2007.07.06 13:36:00 -
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Is this Right ?
* Electronics II * Engineering II * Electronics Upgrades V * Science V * Hacking II * Racial Encryption Methods
To Invent, you NEED Electronics Upgrades V at V ???
I mean, I can understand the Racial encryption to be high, the 2x science fields that the Invention job will need, but Electronics Upgrades V at V ???
Is this confirmed ?
Question 2:
Having Hacking, racial encryption at V, will that help the job in any way, or just the afore-mentionned 2x fields of study (ex: MECH and ELECT. Engineering..) + Racial encryption at V will help your chances of success ?
and yes, I have read aeverything I could find on this, no answer jumps out at me
Can't wait to find out thx again jean
Gallente Federation Select Circle member Duvolle Labs and Creodron Corp. Contractor Builder of Fine Freighters Sankkassen System, Asgard Industries Director
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QuakeGod
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Posted - 2007.07.08 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: GraylStorm To Invent, you NEED Electronics Upgrades V at V ???
Electronics Upgrades V is a pre-requisite for Hacking. Hacking is a pre-requisite for racial encryption skills. So yes, Electronics Upgrades V is a must.
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Meau
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Posted - 2007.07.11 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Meau on 11/07/2007 20:53:47 About max output runs of an invention jobs.
Till last patch one could calculate max possible runs of a bpc by dividing copy time by copy time(you per 1 run, adjusted for skills) or by starting a copyjob if a bpo or bpc is handy(does work for bpcs).
CCP seems to have made it much easier now, as the new strange value "production limit" on bp info seems to be limit of runs on a single copy.
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Aerick Dawn
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.12 15:40:00 -
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can you accidentally destroy an original BPO by putting it into the invention process by mistake, or does the game not let you?
__________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong. |
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Trak Cranker
Serenity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.13 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aerick Dawn can you accidentally destroy an original BPO by putting it into the invention process by mistake, or does the game not let you?
It will destroy YOU! if you try and use a BPO. (I mean you specifically. Aerick. You will die if someone uses a BPO in the invention process)
Either that or it don't let you. Can't remember.
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Aerick Dawn
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.13 14:25:00 -
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that would explain why I die alot. :)
Thanks Trak :)
__________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong. |
Shinji Seto
Minmatar Los Gordos
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:53:00 -
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Thanks for the great guide! Got all my skills lvled POS built and my first batch of stabber BPCs in the lab last night! Hopefull when I get home from work tonight at least one of my slots will have produced a Vagabond BPC. Thanks again great guide!
"Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide. |
GuruJ
Gallente Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 17:35:00 -
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Can you put up what each type of data core invents. I never won my T2 BPO cash machine so I have an @ssload of electromagnetic physics.
Problem is other then rails I don't know what I can build.
Also plz reiterate that to build ships you need two specialized skills in Science.
thanks! "Fancy ships, big guns, and expensive things; what about your soul does it Bling Bling?"
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Mephistophilis
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.17 07:52:00 -
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Great guide! I've just started invention last night, checked my jobs this morning! I got 3 of 4 bpc's with no dycriptor but good meta item (1mn MWD) Then 0 of 4 with dycriptor but just tech 1 version of the item :( (10mn MWD)
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Sathamarid
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Posted - 2007.07.17 19:26:00 -
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Here's how it's gone for me so far.
10 attempts at Cap Rech II. Both skills at 2. No base item. All failed. 2 more attempts at Cap Rech II with a 300k base item (f-b210 Nominal ?). Both succeeded. Many attempts at T2 Armor Tanking gear, about 55% success rate, base item was also in that 300k price range. No decryptor for any of the jobs.
Can anyone explain to me how many runs I can actually get out of these? It said it was 1 run and 100 units (I think). Does that mean that I can install the job with this BPC once and I darn well better make 100 of em? Or can I do multiple installs until I run out 100 of the item? Is Confusing.
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Aira Phlux
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:24:00 -
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Just a point on SHIP invention.
If I'm using the "number of runs" formula correctly then it shows that there is no point using a max run BPC for SHIP invention as the max output figure is "1". Only by the use of a decryptor can this figure be increased.
Assuming this is correct (and hasn't already been mentioned somewhere that I've completely overlooked) then I think this should be pointed out. In the guide, there is a sweeping statement that you should "always use a max run BPC" - this would appear to be a noteworthy exception especially time wise.
Can anyone confirm I'm not talking out my butt ?
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Trak Cranker
Serenity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.23 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Trak Cranker on 23/07/2007 16:13:15
Originally by: Aira Phlux
Can anyone confirm I'm not talking out my butt ?
I think we can confirm that you are not doing so. :) And it has been pointed out many times in different threads.
Note: If you use a max run bpc you get one more run, when using run modifiying decryptors - compared to using a 1 run.
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Mean Molly
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Posted - 2007.07.25 14:42:00 -
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Does anyone know how much diffrence it makes to include a T1 ship when inventing? Is it in the range 1% more likely or 10% more likely or what?
Also how much does the skill impact inventing? It there any use of training Encryption to level 4 instead of 3?
And why cant CCP make some official information of formulaes or guides about the diffrent manufacturing/refining/inventing stuff. We always seem to have to figure out this stuff on our own, looking thru heaps of forums threads. This info should really be presented better and more coherently ingame! --- Live and learn, die and learn more! http://www.dukefoss.com/eve/ |
Mean Molly
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Posted - 2007.07.28 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chrome Ozone
Originally by: Kdah Your example should then read: Runs = max(1;Round.Down(1000/1000*10) + 4)
Fixed, good catch indeed.
Ok, I'm struggling to understand here. I took a 7 run ferox bpc, and with a +4 decryptor, got a 6 run nighthawk print. By the math from the guide it should look like
Runs = max(1;Round.Down(7/15*1)+4)= 4(after rounding)
I'm curious if anyone else has ever tried running a non-max bpc...something I did notice, if I switched the division, i.e. (15*1/7)+4 you actually get 6 after rounding down, BUT put in a max run so (15*1/15)+ 4, and you get 5. I'm throughly confused.
Since you got 6 runs it must be the formula that isnt complete. Atleast for ships. Maybe it also add a chance to get 1 more run if you use an item, and higher bpc run number.
exs:
Runs =
max(1;Round.Down(7/15*1)+4)= 4(after rounding) + Chance(0.15* (7/15) ) !7% Chance of 1 more + Chance(0.15* Itemclass) !15% Chance of getting even 1 more if u used a ferox. (Itemclass 5 gives 75%)
Ofcourse this is just me guessing, and can only be confirmed by ppl getting more runs than they should. Getting both extras would only happen on rare occations.
My 2c
--- Live and learn, die and learn more! http://www.dukefoss.com/eve/ |
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Lucai
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Posted - 2007.07.30 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lucai on 30/07/2007 07:42:44
Originally by: Mean Molly
Ok, I'm struggling to understand here. I took a 7 run ferox bpc, and with a +4 decryptor, got a 6 run nighthawk print. By the math from the guide it should look like
Runs = max(1;Round.Down(7/15*1)+4)= 4(after rounding)
I'm curious if anyone else has ever tried running a non-max bpc...something I did notice, if I switched the division, i.e. (15*1/7)+4 you actually get 6 after rounding down, BUT put in a max run so (15*1/15)+ 4, and you get 5. I'm throughly confused.
Since you got 6 runs it must be the formula that isnt complete. Atleast for ships. Maybe it also add a chance to get 1 more run if you use an item, and higher bpc run number.
exs:
Runs =
max(1;Round.Down(7/15*1)+4)= 4(after rounding) + Chance(0.15* (7/15) ) !7% Chance of 1 more + Chance(0.15* Itemclass) !15% Chance of getting even 1 more if u used a ferox. (Itemclass 5 gives 75%)
Ofcourse this is just me guessing, and can only be confirmed by ppl getting more runs than they should. Getting both extras would only happen on rare occations.
My 2c
Things like this seem to turn up from time to time.
If there is an extra mechanic, it must be either extremely rare or attributed to using a base item.
My 500+ jobs of ship invention without a baseitem never had one extra run, not a single time Oo.
Just to be sure, what you are telling me is you got one more output run by using a non-maxed copy?
Ergo: Maxrun -> you got 5 7 run -> you got 6
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Aira Phlux
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.30 11:29:00 -
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Just referring to my post a few replies back; a friend suggested to me that using a max run BPC (as oppossed to a single run) on during ship invention improves the chances of success. This suggestion was based upon little experience but I'm curious as to whether anyone else agrees or disagrees with the statement. Perahps someone who has done a great many ship inventions could comment.
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Maggie Thatcher
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Posted - 2007.08.05 05:14:00 -
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If an an item has a meta level of 0, is there no point in using it?
As in example if inventing cap recharger 2's would using a CPR 1 in the process be worthless as it has a meta of zero?
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SephiriotH
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.08 03:03:00 -
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Seems ship's invention is bugged after all those patches : Completed the invention on Condor bpc max-run basis. No matter what decryptor I used - received only 1 run t2 bpc. My corp mate have the same issue with Sabre's invention. My skills are : 4/4/4 (Caldari Encryption/Caldari Starship/Mechanical Eng.) seems something damn strange...
Remember : With a bad word and good torpedo you are always hurting more then with a bad word alone. |
Hal Gallentine
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Posted - 2007.08.08 23:36:00 -
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Thanks for the very informative guide, Ittey! I'm training toward the invention/production profession and your guide really clarified the subject for me.
I have a question regarding the racial encryption skills. Why the skillbooks for them are so rare and expensive? Where do they come from? Is there a way to get them w/o paying 300 M ISK for them?
Thanks, HG
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SephiriotH
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.10 05:00:00 -
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Yes, there is. It's a very rare drop from archeology objects in archeology hidden complexes.
Remember : With a bad word and good torpedo you are always hurting more then with a bad word alone. |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.27 08:53:00 -
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Hi
Firstly nice guide! Thankyou for sharing this with us.
Ok now to the question, my alt is skilling up for invention but hasnt quite got there yet, so in the meantime I am copying BPC's like a mad man and a corp mate of mine is doing the invention for me. I started with 425 rails (max run BPC), he said I should do max run BPCs all the time, but in the same breath said that you need a decriptor if you are doing max runs Bpcs, I am confused.
Next: is ship invention still not working properly?
Thanks Sinder.
Originally by: Karanth Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.
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Halafian
Amarr Friendship Society
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:10:00 -
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I'm sure I missed it, but is there a matrix somewhere of the various modules and the datacore types required to invent them?
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Jeats Cheats
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Halafian I'm sure I missed it, but is there a matrix somewhere of the various modules and the datacore types required to invent them?
Yes there is, try the first page and the very first post
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Redjustice
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Posted - 2007.09.02 14:00:00 -
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I'm sure I missed it some ware but wht do you get when you invent i'm not just refering to a tech 2 bpc but is it just a base bech 2 or are there higher quality tech 2 items in some cases tech 1 item apper to be better or at least more profitable like a 150mm proto rail gun for nubes like me anyway. In the end i'm just trying to determin potential carear paths. In a lot of cases i'd prefer to have high end tech 1 BP's which i dont know how to obtaine or havent found than a low quality tech 2.
Please any help would be greatly appreciated from all you long term hardend vets.
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