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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2017.03.05 02:30:09 -
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Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
Or that they can't play for a while because they are going on holiday?
It's almost as if playing a game was work.
It's not helped by every game maker trying everything possible to keep players clicking on their game, and not doing something else.
EVE has the offline training which helps offset that. You can go around doing something real, and not feel as if you might be losing out because you aren't clicking things in EVE.
On a similar note, during holiday seasons, such as Christmas, game companies intensify their efforts to keep us clicking.
It's as is we work at vast clicking machines, being paid in virtual chicken feed, while our robotic overlords gaze down upon us.
I don't mind being a cyber chicken clicking away for chicken feed, it's not as if I was doing anything important otherwise.
But I sometimes wonder about a memory I had.
A memory of games being fun.
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Amojin
Entropic Synergies Research
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Posted - 2017.03.05 02:36:31 -
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Game Designers learn this, and it's the model for every 'grind' in every modern game.
http://yukaichou.com/gamification-study/behavior-principles-and-good-game-design/ https://levelskip.com/misc/Skinners-Box-and-Video-Games
and on and on and on. This is the same reason you can build so many 'craftables' in most games now, too. in Wow, the requirement of 'dailies' virtually forces you to return if you want the currency bonus. Most will log on, at least once a day, to get the bonus, and then log off, even if they're otherwise bored. |
Pix Severus
Empty You
6058
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Posted - 2017.03.05 02:38:24 -
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I find sex fun, but sometimes I just need to take a break from it.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1386
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Posted - 2017.03.05 02:39:16 -
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I'm doing the power nap version of taking a break from EVE right now.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
451
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Posted - 2017.03.05 02:52:45 -
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OUTSIDE world in 2k17 not CLICKING anything for more than 5mins in 2k17 not taking A GAME seriously enough like a work in 2k17 women in 2k17
OP in what world are you living in????? WTF i can assure you that eve is 200% more important than my work and 1000^1000% times more funny
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:03:32 -
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..I've been involved with Eve for 10 years, I've played Eve for a good number of those years.
I wouldn't call Eve work, it's just intense. And sometimes pilots choose to take a little break from it. It's one of Eve's charms.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1791
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:05:25 -
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Hir Miriel wrote: It's as is we work at vast clicking machines, being paid in virtual chicken feed, while our robotic overlords gaze down upon us.
Heh, that's your attitude making that picture. When electrical activity in the brain gets depressed enough, all of life and every possible activity in it looks like a malignant, implacably sad existence enslaved to thermodynamics and doomed to brevity.
It's your life, but falling out of touch with media for a few weeks, combined with some fresh air and sunlight, maybe your attitude would change. Not all complaints require modification of the world to quell.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
263
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:28:20 -
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Even hobbies sometimes require a break. Doing too much of anything, even things you enjoy can lead to burnout. So it's healthy to mix things up. If you need to step away then step away. I've never understood why so many people think they can only ever have 1 hobby. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20532
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:36:12 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
No, most of the lads (or lassies) I pay any heed to will just feck off till they're ready to get some murder on again.
Tends to be the useless Bear types that spout on about "needing a break".
Case in point , can you remember the last time I had one ... No of course not, why would you, I didn't fecken make a song and dance about it did I.
My advice, if you feel like it, take one, anyone worth coming back to will be 100% cool about it.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
263
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:44:41 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
No, most of the lads (or lassies) I pay any heed to will just feck off till they're ready to get some murder on again. Tends to be the useless Bear types that spout on about "needing a break". Case in point , can you remember the last time I had one ... No of course not, why would you, I didn't fecken make a song and dance about it did I. My advice, if you feel like it, take one, anyone worth coming back to will be 100% cool about it.
The only time I think its in good form to let people know if your taking a break is if you are in a leadership role within a group having the ceo or a director suddenly **** off for who knows how long is never a good thing.
But of course when you step into that role you are taking on extra responsibility and so standards are gonna be a little bit different for you. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20533
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:07:12 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
No, most of the lads (or lassies) I pay any heed to will just feck off till they're ready to get some murder on again. Tends to be the useless Bear types that spout on about "needing a break". Case in point , can you remember the last time I had one ... No of course not, why would you, I didn't fecken make a song and dance about it did I. My advice, if you feel like it, take one, anyone worth coming back to will be 100% cool about it. The only time I think its in good form to let people know if your taking a break is if you are in a leadership role within a group having the ceo or a director suddenly **** off for who knows how long is never a good thing. But of course when you step into that role you are taking on extra responsibility and so standards are gonna be a little bit different for you. Like that one guy that forgot to pay that bill once and literally everyone in eve lost their collective ****.
You all know what I'm talking about.
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Frontus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:12:00 -
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Well when you are 71 years OLD and cant drive and most of your friends are dead, online games helps you keep your sanity. |
Amojin
Entropic Synergies Research
68
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:15:40 -
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Frontus wrote:Well when you are 71 years OLD and cant drive and most of your friends are dead, online games helps you keep your sanity.
The brain game also has a good chance of keeping you alert and staving off certain dementias, though certainly not all of them. If you're playing it for that, you probably have the best real life reason I've ever heard of, because you sure as crap don't ever want to be warehoused in a nursing home. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59763
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Posted - 2017.03.05 05:14:29 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
Or that they can't play for a while because they are going on holiday?
It's almost as if playing a game was work.
Well I was going to write something similar to this :
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Even hobbies sometimes require a break. Doing too much of anything, even things you enjoy can lead to burnout. So it's healthy to mix things up. If you need to step away then step away. I've never understood why so many people think they can only ever have 1 hobby.
Even though I was thinking something similar to this :
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: No, most of the lads (or lassies) I pay any heed to will just feck off till they're ready to get some murder on again.
Tends to be the useless Bear types that spout on about "needing a break".
Case in point , can you remember the last time I had one ... No of course not, why would you, I didn't fecken make a song and dance about it did I.
My advice, if you feel like it, take one, anyone worth coming back to will be 100% cool about it.
Guess now all I can say is :
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2695
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Posted - 2017.03.05 05:30:41 -
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*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* can't talk...gaming.. *clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick*
*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* *clickclickclickclickcliketyclickclick* *clickCLICKclickclickcliketyclickclick*
*click*
*click click*
*clickyclick*
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
251
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Posted - 2017.03.05 07:31:13 -
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Games are not supposed to be fun.
We are nothing but the animals pushing a button to get a prize in a box. Fun is not real. You are not allowed to have fun becomes games have literally become serious business. A bad quarter can mean a low stock price in the long run so you must keep the chickens happy and logging in at all costs. Sell them things too! Must always sell the chickens things that make them happy and feel unique as a chicken clicker. We can change the skin of the button and outfit we wear while pressing it! Ooooooooh so amazing isn't it?
The battles mean nothing. Even though others like to watch the animals in captivity at times and the things they do in their crazy pens, in the end it means nothing. You all exist to fuel the machine and keep it oiled as well. Round and round we go in this overthought insane existence. We are being used. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
453
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Posted - 2017.03.05 07:45:29 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* can't talk...gaming.. *clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick*
*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* *clickclickclickclickcliketyclickclick* *clickCLICKclickclickcliketyclickclick*
*click*
*click click*
*clickyclick*
clicking *intensifies* |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:02:13 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
Or that they can't play for a while because they are going on holiday?
It's almost as if playing a game was work.
It's not helped by every game maker trying everything possible to keep players clicking on their game, and not doing something else.
EVE has the offline training which helps offset that. You can go around doing something real, and not feel as if you might be losing out because you aren't clicking things in EVE.
On a similar note, during holiday seasons, such as Christmas, game companies intensify their efforts to keep us clicking.
It's as is we work at vast clicking machines, being paid in virtual chicken feed, while our robotic overlords gaze down upon us.
I don't mind being a cyber chicken clicking away for chicken feed, it's not as if I was doing anything important otherwise.
But I sometimes wonder about a memory I had.
A memory of games being fun.
There is a reason for that; most online games have an activity monetization strategy i.e. they earn money when you do things. This is a legacy of the "free to play" plague, which nearly killed the online games using access monetization i.e. they earn money because you can't play the game without paying them beforehand.
Activity monetization games use incentivization to keep the players doing things and thus potentially paying money. They reward the player for doing things and punish him for not doing them, but at the deepest level they're just a pay-for-reward system, like a vending machine. "Fun" is just one of the possible rewards, and psychologically it's not a very effective one; people rarely come back for more fun as fun stops being funny very fast. Fun haves an element of surprise, thus basing your game on fun means that you must keeep adding new content (and making it succesfully fun) in order to get money, and that is very difficult and eventually the creator always fails to keep up the pace.
So no, activity monetization games are not fun as that doesn't hooks players hard enough, and are designed to reward for paying money and punish for not paying money. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1387
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:02:24 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* can't talk...gaming.. *clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick*
*clickclickclickCLICKcliketyclickclick* *clickclickclickclickcliketyclickclick* *clickCLICKclickclickcliketyclickclick*
*click*
*click click*
*clickyclick*
clicking *intensifies*
Hey there wanna click my clicks? We can all have a large clicky in this thread.
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Salvos Rhoska
2343
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:18:44 -
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OP is tumblr-tier waffle.
In physics, "work" is synonymous with energy applied against reciprocate forces.
Everything you do, including breathing, is work.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
138
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:17:57 -
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Pix Severus wrote:I find sex fun, but sometimes I just need to take a break from it.
Would u consider sex, work? LMFAO! |
Frontus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.03.05 13:44:57 -
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000Hunter000 wrote:Pix Severus wrote:I find sex fun, but sometimes I just need to take a break from it. Would u consider sex, work? LMFAO!
At my age it is work. :) |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
444
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Posted - 2017.03.05 16:01:57 -
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Quote:It's almost as if playing a game was work.
--Well, for many people, it is. But they have no one to blame but themselves. For example in Eve the common consensus is that the 'right' way to play is to essentially remove any element of a 'game' from the game and reduce Eve to little more than a calculator with a graphics engine.
People wouldn't think to run a mission without first going to a 3rd party website to know every single ship and trigger. They single-tank and design a ship so that it's only use is grinding out the same content endlessly. Go to the forums to ask everyone else to give them the 'winning' ship fitting. Being as AFK as possible and still succeeding is considered the gold standard. They complain bitterly that anything interrupts their endless grinding, you know, like the 100,000 other players in an MMO engaging them. Then many of these same people take to the forums and complain that PvE is boring.
You could probably count on one hand the number of people that play Eve with only a single character like I do. Almost universally alts are used to dodge game mechanics such as security status or being war dec'd. The exact mechanics that provide consequences for one's actions, and bring immersion to your character. But all that is just in the way of more grinding. People treat the consequences for their in-game actions as nothing but an impediment to their grinding exactly like they treat heavy traffic on the way to work IRL. Best avoided if at all possible so they can 'get to work'.
When the players do everything they can to remove any element of randomness, chance, or risk from a game- it's no one's fault but their own that it becomes work-like. When your goal isn't really fun, but rather just the accumulation of stuff, there becomes a need to continue in that accumulation- and so taking a break is akin to being unemployed. Many people find the break (from a game or from RL work) refreshing- but most recognize that they cannot get stuff in that state, and so feel an inescapable urge to go back. This is why halfway thru most vacations people begin to obsess about their vacation ending and having to go back to work.
I noticed this myself recently on a dive trip to Mexico. On the boat with people paying thousands of dollars to escape from the drudgery of work, most of their time was spent talking about work. The most common thing I heard wasn't how much they were enjoying paradise, but rather how quickly they were headed back to their boring life in a cubicle. Even spending thousands to get out of their cubicle, they were wholly unable to mentally leave the office. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
604
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Posted - 2017.03.05 16:05:24 -
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We are creatures of habit.
What percentage of players do you think would quit if they took a solid month away from the game?
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Zeewolf 46137
Saor Alba
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Posted - 2017.03.05 16:26:27 -
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Pix Severus wrote:I find sex fun, but sometimes I just need to take a break from it.
Its all the microtransactions and DLC that puts me off. |
Brok Haslack
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.05 17:44:40 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Have you ever noticed people talking about taking a break from a game?
Or that they can't play for a while because they are going on holiday?
It's almost as if playing a game was work.
It's not helped by every game maker trying everything possible to keep players clicking on their game, and not doing something else.
EVE has the offline training which helps offset that. You can go around doing something real, and not feel as if you might be losing out because you aren't clicking things in EVE.
On a similar note, during holiday seasons, such as Christmas, game companies intensify their efforts to keep us clicking.
It's as is we work at vast clicking machines, being paid in virtual chicken feed, while our robotic overlords gaze down upon us.
I don't mind being a cyber chicken clicking away for chicken feed, it's not as if I was doing anything important otherwise.
But I sometimes wonder about a memory I had.
A memory of games being fun.
You forget, a sizable number of Fleets have doctrine so anally-retentive it does suck the life out of the player. And with CCP's in-game insurance system so weak you are stuck with said Fleets. And then grow to hate said Fleets.
To the point where the player needs to take break.
As you do. |
Ranzabar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2017.03.06 02:42:17 -
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Frontus wrote:Well when you are 71 years OLD and cant drive and most of your friends are dead, online games helps you keep your sanity.
I'm 58 and look forward to 62 when I can retire and spend more time in game. And I agree, some online games are great time sinks. Eve does make you work at it. It is fun, but I can only spend a couple of hours at a time on it. Just too intense, especially after a full workday wracking my brain as a trained office monkey.
BTW, I've been playing since 2008 and I have taken many breaks. I come back to it without fail. Longest break was about 6 months while I had a long period where work took over my life....again.
If you want to stay with Eve, I suggest you get used to an on-off-on relationship as I have. Your mileage will vary, but unsubscribing now only reduces you to Alpha status, so no harm no foul.
And a good corp. I need one badly. Never got the social bug, but this game is pretty tedious without flying with someone from time to time.
BTW, at 71, you're not to old to go to Iceland some April. Yeah, you'll be there with old grey hairs like me, and the kids will hold the door for you and call you Mister and Sir, but whats the worst that could happen?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10522
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Posted - 2017.03.06 02:44:20 -
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I usually just quietly slip away without anyone noticing. It's when I come back after a few months that I people realize I was gone and center me out.
Mr Epeen
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Ranzabar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2017.03.06 02:56:41 -
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000Hunter000 wrote:Pix Severus wrote:I find sex fun, but sometimes I just need to take a break from it. Would u consider sex, work? LMFAO!
Sometimes
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15269
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Posted - 2017.03.06 13:13:15 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Hir Miriel wrote: It's as is we work at vast clicking machines, being paid in virtual chicken feed, while our robotic overlords gaze down upon us.
Heh, that's your attitude making that picture. When electrical activity in the brain gets depressed enough, all of life and every possible activity in it looks like a malignant, implacably sad existence enslaved to thermodynamics and doomed to brevity. It's your life, but falling out of touch with media for a few weeks, combined with some fresh air and sunlight, maybe your attitude would change. Not all complaints require modification of the world to quell. The highlighted part. don't be surprised if I get a tattoo saying that, because it's the damn truth.
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