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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
772
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:42:11 -
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Greetings all,
I am posting here to officially announce our market operation, the aim of which is to provide a neutral offshore free trading option for all traders of The Forge.
We are continuing the good work started by Karin Yang whom I worked closely with in defending the original much loved GÖö Planet V Trade Hubs in Perimeter. I have been given permission to continue the operation under the GÖö Planet V name, and Karin Yang may in future return to join us in running the market hubs.
The Future of Free Markets
Nullsec alliances have been attempting to extort ISK from anyone looking to provide trade hubs around Jita. This is an unwelcome development indeed, and it is sad to see that some operators have succumbed to this pressure and are looking to pass these costs onto the trading community through high broker fees. Unstopped, this will eventually result in exorbitant broker fees as the nullsec alliances demand increasingly more.
We vow to never succumb to the demands of the null sec alliances by paying extortion money. It is all too clear that In doing so would be of detriment to the future of trading around Jita.
Currently our presence alone is enough to drive down the fees of all operators in the area, although it is for this reason that our competitors will resort to anything in order to destroy our operation. Be under no illusion, if our trade hubs were to disappear overnight, broker fees would increase dramatically. I have had confirmation of this from our main competitor.
What we Offer
GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading pledges to always offer the following at all of our market hubs:
GÇóWe will always offer a 0.1% public broker fee at all of our structures.
GÇóWe will always offer a 0.0% broker fee for life to traders who are willing to support us.
GÇóWe will replace any market hub which is lost to ensure your items remain safe and that you are able to continue trading.
GÇóWe will never lock anyone out, or prevent them from seeing orders placed in any of our hubs unlike our competitors.
GÇóWe will never pay a single ISK in extortion money to entities looking to make profit from traders and push up the cost of trading.
Trading at our Market Hubs
We aim to have a market hub open in each of the systems within a one jump range of the Jita market. This is so that we can provide an uninterrupted service, and to ensure that our market is resilient to attack and causes maximum frustration to any attackers.
We have a significant amount of capital to invest in order to ensure we are able to continuously replace any market hub which is lost, and all assets can be securely transferred via tether to tether citadel docking mechanics. For those that are able to wait for 5 days you are able to use asset safety to instantly transfer your assets to the new market hub.
By trading with us, you will never lose any items which you store in our structures, and can freely recover them at any time using asset safety.
Support GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading
The future of free markets in New Eden is at stake, and we hope you will consider supporting us by trading in our market hubs.
For further details please join the in game channel 'Planet V Trade'.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
772
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Posted - 2017.03.05 03:44:42 -
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
284
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:42:13 -
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..Thanks for making this public and putting your operation out in the open to be scrutinized.
Are you on the Haulers Channel's Citadel White List?
Quote:We will always offer a 0.0% broker fee for lifer to traders who are willing to support us.
How much ISK does it take to become a supporter?
Quote:We aim to have a market hub open in each of the systems within a one jump range of the Jita market.
I don't want all the tiny citadel markets. I want to trade in a large market. The biggest reason Citadels haven't put Jita and Amarr out of business is because they are so fragmented, and none have emerged as the single top dog. The direction you are headed in will dilute my operations, why would I support that?
GÖá Sinclair Consulting GÖá
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3495
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Posted - 2017.03.05 11:19:50 -
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Fully support this service! My understanding is, that "Planet V" is primarily targeted at offshoring buy-orders and trading easy to relocate high price stuff in the PLEX category.
If you donate a minimum of 20M to the replacement fund, you get 0.0 fee for lifetime. I know many pledged more.
To reiterate the most important point:
Quote:Be under no illusion, if our trade hubs were to disappear overnight, broker fees would increase dramatically.
Every trader whether using "Planet V" or other trade stations should have a vital interest in this initiative to exist and live on.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2017.03.05 12:54:36 -
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Moac Tor is a trustworthy friend. He has offered me great help in organizing defense of the planet v trade hub, and he also has invested a lot of isk to keep this service running. And I think to keep this service runninng healthily, a service fee of 20mil or higher per structure is more reasonable than for lifetime |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
773
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Posted - 2017.03.05 13:00:54 -
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Karin Yang wrote:Moac Tor is a trustworthy friend. He has offered me great help in organizing defense of the planet v trade hub, and he also has invested a lot of isk to keep this service running. And I think to keep this service runninng healthily, a service fee of 20mil or higher per structure is more reasonable than for lifetime Thank you for your endorsement friend.
We will continue to keep the GÖö Planet V name alive in order provide traders with a neutral free trading option.
We hope to see you back if you decide to return. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
773
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Posted - 2017.03.05 15:04:49 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..Thanks for making this public and putting your operation out in the open to be scrutinized....
Thank you for your feedback and questions which I will try and answer as best as I can.
"Are you on the Haulers Channel's Citadel White List?"
I have not made any arrangement to be on the haulers channel white list, although this is certainly something we could look into if doing so would be beneficial to anyone looking to use our market hubs. Currently a lot of offshore trade is done through remote buy orders, and in selling easy to transfer PLEX based goods. In the future I could certainly see more tangible goods being sold on our market as our operation becomes more established. As we are based within one jump of Jita for certain items it will certainly make a lot of sense to transport items to one of our market hubs to avoid the Jita broker fee.
Thank you for this suggestion, I will look into this as we develop.
"How much ISK does it take to become a supporter?"
The answer to the question regarding becoming a supporter is answered in the posts above, and I will also add this to the Q&A section.
"I don't want all the tiny citadel markets. I want to trade in a large market. The biggest reason Citadels haven't put Jita and Amarr out of business is because they are so fragmented, and none have emerged as the single top dog. The direction you are headed in will dilute my operations, why would I support that?"
In regards to operating multiple hubs around Jita, this is done for a number of strategic reasons. As we do not pay extortion ISK we need to be able to replace market hubs efficiently when under attack, and by limiting ourselves to a single system it makes it easy for any potential attackers to wardec our market hubs before they are able to online. By operating in multiple systems surrounding Jita it makes it far more difficult for any potential attacker to disrupt our operation, and thus allows us to continue to offer our service. Any operation that is static will be at the mercy of extortionists and will not be able to maintain low broker fees indefinitely.
In the longer term then a single market hub will likely emerge as the most popular, and we will then continue to keep the remaining market hubs active in order to maintain visibility, provide confidence, and to dissuade potential attackers.
Also most of the traders who use our markets sell PLEX based items and so are highly mobile, and all of our markets will be within one jump of Jita which makes it simple to remotely buy items from Jita and then transport them to the market hubs for sale avoiding the Jita broker fee. For these reasons we feel this strategy provides the right balance between being able to efficiently maintain our operation, whilst still providing a valuable service to traders of The Forge. |
Pukla Eto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.03.05 19:16:34 -
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Fully supporting this movement and using Planet V citadels for all of my high value transactions (mostly injectors/extractors) and all 1-range from Jita buy orders. Keep up the good work! |
Trade All Day
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.03.05 20:58:44 -
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What happened to the "we will keep our rate to 0.0% permanently (It applies to all future structures. This is not rounding down...)"?
Also, weren't you not behind the Planet V Trade Hub that had random tax hikes to 50% tax? You kept telling people to continue trading there despite the tax hikes. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
777
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Posted - 2017.03.05 21:25:02 -
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We are actually the successor to the original GÖö Planet V Market Hub which you linked, although we still offer a permanent 0.0% rate for supporters of the GÖö Planet V Trade Hubs as mentioned in the opening post. We want to be transparent regarding our fees, and by charging a minimal 0.01% public broker it will help maintain our operation in the long term without the need to constantly modify our fee unlike our competitors. Most traders will still be trading at the 0.0% rate though.
We weren't behind the imposter GÖö Planet V market hub, if you check that same thread which you linked you will see the following.
"Just letting you all know, this is not the 'actual' PV Citadel run by Karin (I know because I have spoken to him and he has not been playing the game for the last week or so). It is actually an imposter citadel looking to capitalise on the absence of the official PV citadel.
Double check any orders that you put in this citadel for the meantime as the broker fee is changing intermittently. A neutral alternative will be in place by this weekend for those who wish to continue trading safely at 0% broker fee."
I actually petitioned CCP to change the name which is why it got changed later. |
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Battle Apple
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.05 23:40:02 -
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Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
788
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:00:15 -
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Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do.
I do not see why using mercenaries would compromise our core principles. Mercenaries will simply do what their paymaster asks of them, whether that be for good or bad.
Our current strategy doesn't require that we hire mercenaries as we are looking to keep our costs low. Although if they offered their service for a fee which is low enough for us to continue to efficiently run our operation, then I would have no issue in hiring them in order to help fight the null sec entities looking to extort the traders of The Forge. |
Battle Apple
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:07:59 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do.
Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
792
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:12:30 -
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Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. I believe he had the mercenaries hired against him initially by a competitor, and he then retaliated by hiring the mercenaries himself to attack the competitor. You would need to ask him for full details if he is willing to divulge them, although I am certain it was not him who initiated the attacks by using mercenaries. |
Jarr Kaleb
0
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:50:59 -
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I'm also fully support GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading!
Moac Tor wrote:Be under no illusion, if our trade hubs were to disappear overnight, broker fees would increase dramatically. True.
Right now every other trade hub around Jita (except Moac Tor's GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading) is either seased their operations\destroyed or is paying extortion money to Pandemic Horde. GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading is literelly the last oplot standing. As soon as it falls they will raise fees immediately and we will get similar fees like we have in Dodixie player owned hubs at the moment... |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:52:30 -
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Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. That's the story told by Ichooseyou, the one who surrendered to PH and then asked PH to attack Minmatar and Amarr player free hubs now. He sent mails to those citadel owner, "raise tax rate, or be destroyed by pandemic horde" |
Fannie Anathema
Anathema Holdings LTD.
4
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Posted - 2017.03.06 12:47:27 -
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I'm happy to see someone came up with the 0% fee for ISK. I'd pay ~50m/month to get that service, along with a mailing list that is well updated and transparent about attacks. |
Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2017.03.06 19:54:40 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Answers to Syd's questions.
..Thanks for the answers. One last question.
Do pilots need to donate 20M per Offshore Trading Hub? Or will one 20M donation cover all of your installments.
I'll contribute to your operation. Primarily because I think Pilots Doing Things In Space is good for Eve.
GÖá Sinclair Consulting GÖá
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
96
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Posted - 2017.03.06 20:30:38 -
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Karin Yang wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. That's the story told by Ichooseyou, the one who surrendered to PH and then asked PH to attack Minmatar and Amarr player free hubs now. He sent mails to those citadel owner, "raise tax rate, or be destroyed by pandemic horde", and I kept the screenshots
Funny, since I have those same mails that you sent me. Remember? When you forced me to raise my taxes and said that, next time, it wouldn't be VMG that you hired to bash my citadels.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2017.03.07 01:50:07 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Karin Yang wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another. That's the story told by Ichooseyou, the one who surrendered to PH and then asked PH to attack Minmatar and Amarr player free hubs now. He sent mails to those citadel owner, "raise tax rate, or be destroyed by pandemic horde", and I kept the screenshots Funny, since I have those same mails that you sent me. Remember? When you forced me to raise my taxes and said that, next time, it wouldn't be VMG that you hired to bash my citadels.
Interesting, where is the screenshot of that mail? I didn't deny that you're my enemy though. |
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Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
4
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Posted - 2017.03.07 12:58:35 -
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I have been playing this game for a long time and have been through many incarnations: pewpew, null, wh and just simple PvE grinding. I am getting old, so I trade mostly now through many accounts and toons.
I am not nearly as eloquent as Moac, IChooseYou or Karin, so I am reluctant to post out of embarrassment, but I would like to say something before I biomass.
The situation in the major trading hubs deserves attention from all the pilots of New Eden. This is not a local battle. It is indeed a fight for the future of freedom of trade in Eve.
When upstanding pilots are coerced into paying extortion fees to large gangs, it is a slippery slope. I do not question the integrity of anyone involved, but sometimes people make wrong choices and then get caught in a web of consequences that are beyond their control.
I urge those paying extortion fees to stop. Yes, you will lose some isk. We all may. But there is a moral absolute here. By supporting terrorism in hisec, you are degrading the game. Just say no.
Moac Tor, thank you for drawing the red line. I support your cause.
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Ethan02
Succurit Research and Development
5
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Posted - 2017.03.08 16:07:34 -
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Pouring a bit of oil into the fire... Currently it seems IChooseYou has the largest market share and growing:
https://www.adam4eve.eu/market_hubs.php https://www.adam4eve.eu/location.php?id=1023164547009 |
Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
4
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:19:23 -
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GÇ£When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.GÇ¥
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Granio Nyveev
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:23:55 -
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Clearly I'm too slow to figure this out on my own. Would someone mind helping me to understand this?
Why is PH interested in extorting HS citadel owners into raising their fees? I can't see what their end game is to this. How is it benefitting them? I get typical extortion - pay us or we'll blow up your citadel - but I don't understand "raise your fees or we'll blow up your citadel."
The only thing I can think up doesnGÇÖt even make sense. If they put the squeeze hard enough on HS citadels, they might be able to make their null citadels more attractive to trading and thus, draw some of the trading out to null, thus making things more readily available/cheaper to nullersGǪ but that seems pretty farfetched.
Can someone please set me straight.
Thanks,
GN
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Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
5
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:39:59 -
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Granio Nyveev wrote:Clearly I'm too slow to figure this out on my own. Would someone mind helping me to understand this?
Why is PH interested in extorting HS citadel owners into raising their fees? I can't see what their end game is to this. How is it benefitting them? I get typical extortion - pay us or we'll blow up your citadel - but I don't understand "raise your fees or we'll blow up your citadel."
The only thing I can think up doesnGÇÖt even make sense. If they put the squeeze hard enough on HS citadels, they might be able to make their null citadels more attractive to trading and thus, draw some of the trading out to null, thus making things more readily available/cheaper to nullersGǪ but that seems pretty farfetched.
Can someone please set me straight.
Thanks,
GN
Pandemic Horde are not forcing HS trading citadels to raise their fees. It is simpler than that. They are the Eve equivalent of the Mafia. They are demanding ISK for "protection."
You want to run a trade hub in Perimeter? No problem. Pay PH 100b a month and they will make sure you are safe.
You miss a payment and they break your legs.
Now then, what happens when someone agrees to pay 200b per month? Or 300b? Or what happens when the Gambino's decide Perimeter is actually their turf?
There is someone already reading this thread that thinks he has an answer to that, but I won't name names. I suspect he is quite nervous though.
Racketeering gets ugly quick. I pity those that have fallen into the web more than I hate them.
As for me, I will trade only in the GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading hubs. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:42:36 -
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Granio Nyveev wrote:Clearly I'm too slow to figure this out on my own. Would someone mind helping me to understand this?
Why is PH interested in extorting HS citadel owners into raising their fees? I can't see what their end game is to this. How is it benefitting them? I get typical extortion - pay us or we'll blow up your citadel - but I don't understand "raise your fees or we'll blow up your citadel."
The only thing I can think up doesnGÇÖt even make sense. If they put the squeeze hard enough on HS citadels, they might be able to make their null citadels more attractive to trading and thus, draw some of the trading out to null, thus making things more readily available/cheaper to nullersGǪ but that seems pretty farfetched.
Can someone please set me straight.
Thanks,
GN
Because the brokers fee of citadels will finally fall into PH's pocket through IChooseYou's hand. It can be trillions per month. |
Jarr Kaleb
1
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:23:38 -
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Ethan02 wrote:Pouring a bit of oil into the fire... Currently it seems IChooseYou has the largest market share and growing IChooseYou should say thank you to PV... he has it this easy just because PV is helping him with broker's fee rates.
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I know, IChooseYou is also reading this thread... IChooseYou, can you do something with your not so good Perimeter hub placement? It is so bad I am crying every time I fly freighters and\or heavy tanked transports... it is huge pain in the ass to undock from your hub with all that bumping\re-aligning to Jita\any other gate. I imagine how pissed people who fly freighters a lot more than me.
I suck at photoshop, but here is a quick guide how to place trade hub\engineering complex so freighter pilots will love you - http://imgur.com/a/TpF4W |
Shank Yoass
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.03.09 13:13:53 -
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PH gonna take you down, brah.
Ain't no way to stop the Horde. Best idea is be assimilated. Join us. It don't hurt.
No trade is the free trade.
We coming.
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Jarr Kaleb
1
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:41:47 -
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Shank Yoass wrote:PH gonna take you down, brah.
Ain't no way to stop the Horde. Best idea is be assimilated. Join us. It don't hurt.
No trade is the free trade.
We coming.
http://i.imgur.com/yVfbeus.gif From traders with <3. |
Fannie Anathema
Anathema Holdings LTD.
5
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:59:59 -
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Shank Yoass wrote:PH gonna take you down, brah.
Ain't no way to stop the Horde. Best idea is be assimilated. Join us. It don't hurt.
No trade is the free trade.
We coming.
You're a cocky one aren't you? |
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Bentley Goodfriend
Honest Bentley and Associates
2
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Posted - 2017.03.10 07:10:27 -
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Shank Yoass wrote:PH gonna take you down, brah.
Ain't no way to stop the Horde. Best idea is be assimilated. Join us. It don't hurt.
No trade is the free trade.
We coming.
This prompt the classic
Someone set up us the bomb All your base are belong to us... ,brah |
Pindi buoy
Conoco. Caldari Armed Forces.
0
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Posted - 2017.03.10 16:03:31 -
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Battle Apple wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Before he hired the mercs to fight Horde, he was using them to bully other market owners into shutting down or raising their rates so he could increase his profits. So the extortionist was just replaced with another.
This is correct.
Karin plotted with PH leader to take down competing citadels and share profits, then backed out of the deal. Consequently, his citadels were hit.
OP is spinning a bunch of lies tbh. All of the logs were leaked on reddit.
You can also read this log where Karin and the null leader make a deal to kill other citadels: http://pastebin.com/VH0D7BuB http://pastebin.com/H18jcw4g http://pastebin.com/X1KviFwR
Quote:The merchant known as Karin, owner of the main tax hub in perimeter claims that: http://i.imgur.com/1SsXLGH.png He is fighting against panfam oppressing He is fighting to keep taxes to 0 - 0.1% He was attacked for refusing to pay a 100 bil ransom What actually happened: He made a deal with ph to kill his competitors before trying to turn on ph He is trying to jack the tax as high as possible He then tried to dupe helpless alphas into suiciding to protect his doomed business venture. Background When we came to perimeter and started wardeccing people, Karin agreed to share profits in return for ph clearing out all of his competition. Here is some evidence: Admiral Goberius > you said you are forced to keep 0% tax most of the time, we can make it so you can keep it higher and profit more Karin Yang > yes, that's the idea Karin Yang > if the rate is actually that high, I don't doubt I can make 160b+ Karin Yang > we can discuss price based on rate Karin Yang > how much you can push Karin sent us a list of competitor citadels he needs killed http://i.imgur.com/rtvLVyI.png Gobbins > do you wanna plan the next moves? Karin Yang > seems that you have a plan? Gobbins > yeah my plan is to kill all those other fortizars Gobbins > raise your tax Gobbins > and split the income Gobbins > pretty much what we discussed yesterday Karin Yang > yes, I agreed with that plan Karin Yang > from my opinion, if we can't raise rate to 0.3% or 0.5% in the future, there's not much interest for me to do it. I want to work with you, to make big money, but I want to see that you are going for that goal too Karin Yang > there're trillions waiting for us |
Pindi buoy
Conoco. Caldari Armed Forces.
0
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Posted - 2017.03.10 16:09:48 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Mercenaries will simply do what their paymaster asks of them, whether that be for good or bad. Our current strategy doesn't require that we hire mercenaries as we are looking to keep our costs low. Although if they offered their service for a fee which is low enough for us to continue to efficiently run our operation, then I would have no issue in hiring them in order to help fight the null sec entities looking to extort the traders of The Forge.
It's hard to trust and invest with you. You do not provide any stability, have made an enemy out of the one of the biggest nullsec bloc and cannot be trusted because you are lying.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/
Seeing the other side of story, and your story, my problem is one side is providing logs of the opposite of what you're saying. While your story is basically just your words.
I understand the truth is somewhere in middle, but this raises the risk for my time and investment. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2017.03.10 17:02:59 -
[34] - Quote
Pindi buoy wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Battle Apple wrote:Isn't it a bit silly to pose as this savior of free trade under Karins banner, when he himself was paying highsec Mercs to do the very same thing that Horde is doing now? Karin hired the mercenaries to help fight the extortionists, so that is very different to what Pandemic Horde are looking to do. Mercenaries will simply do what their paymaster asks of them, whether that be for good or bad. Our current strategy doesn't require that we hire mercenaries as we are looking to keep our costs low. Although if they offered their service for a fee which is low enough for us to continue to efficiently run our operation, then I would have no issue in hiring them in order to help fight the null sec entities looking to extort the traders of The Forge. It's hard to trust and invest with you. You do not provide any stability, have made an enemy out of the one of the biggest nullsec bloc and cannot be trusted because you are lying. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/ Seeing the other side of story, and your story, my problem is one side is providing logs of the opposite of what you're saying. While your story is basically just your words. I understand the truth is somewhere in middle, but this raises the risk for my time and investment. You don't need to trust me, but Karin is Karin and Moac is Moac. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3499
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Posted - 2017.03.10 18:11:20 -
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Karin Yang wrote: The truth is that PH and I are both scamming each other. They want to extort/scam money from me and I want to postpone their offense to get more time to prepare for defense. In the end, they failed to scam a penny from me and wasted two more month to start making money from citadels, and I failed to scam any time for defense.
If you check the date of war dec history and your pastebin date, you will find that convos are during the war. Why would you think that I will tell truth to my enemy? Shouldn't I plot with PH before the war, rather than during the war?
Yeah, read the logs, in full, not the parts hand-picked by Gobbins to spin his cause. Build your own opinion.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Jarr Kaleb
4
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Posted - 2017.03.10 18:25:10 -
[36] - Quote
@Pindi buoy, are you another Gobbins alt? He spams this literally everywhere he can...
Honestly, all I see from these logs is greedy PH trying to extort some money...
Pindi buoy wrote:It's hard to trust and invest with you. You do not provide any stability, have made an enemy out of the one of the biggest nullsec bloc and cannot be trusted because you are lying. Bullsh_t.
Karin did provide stability for _many months_ for us, traders, and he can be trusted. Back then, in 2016, Karin even promised permanent 0.0% for people willing to help him with defence and he never changed his word. With the help of these people PV hub even survived Lenny's\MC\VMG aggression.
Also Karin never lied about broker's fees, he did change them at some point iirc but he never said to traders that he is offering x% while actually having y%... |
Jarr Kaleb
4
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Posted - 2017.03.10 19:17:08 -
[37] - Quote
Pindi buoy wrote:Karin plotted with PH leader to take down competing citadels and share profits, then backed out of the deal. Consequently, his citadels were hit.
OP is spinning a bunch of lies tbh. All of the logs were leaked on reddit.
You can also read this log where Karin and the null leader make a deal to kill other citadels You do really sound like a PH alt... PH appeals to traders using this irrelevant sh_t.
PH seem to don't understand one thing... traders see competition between hub owners as a perfectly normal thing and most of them don't give a f_ck about it as long as they get a good place to trade and have their x-y% fees with no scam.
In the end it was PH that f_cked up whatever market traders had in Perimeter and even now PH continue to fooling around with bazillion of their 0.1% structures instead of concentrating on one place. |
Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
6
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Posted - 2017.03.10 23:12:35 -
[38] - Quote
There are a lot of words being wasted on accusations and recriminations and obfuscation here.
This situation is really quite simple:
Planet V is offering and paying a large price to defend the freedom of trade, starting in Jita, but presumably throughout all of New Eden, in order to serve the interests of the entire Eve community, even in the face of seemingly overwhelming aggression.
Pandemic Horde has sworn to wardec all offshore market hubs, except for those who pay them enormous and ever increasing "protection" fees. They are attempting to monopolize trade in order to reap ill-gotten monopoly profits at the expense of the entire Eve community.
None of this is inferred. It is the avowed and evidenced intent of both sides. No discussion or study required.
This is pretty much as clear a war between good and evil as you can find. I know Eve is just a game, and everyone has the right to use it as an outlet for their repressed childhood fears and anxieties, but I choose to use it as a way to express the person I want to be.
With my dying breath, I will stand with Moac Tor and Planet V Offshore Trading to do what is right, against all odds, at least once in my life.
Moac, keep up the good work and fly with the sword of the righteous. Let us know what we can do to help
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Shank Yoass
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.03.11 23:35:28 -
[39] - Quote
You talk all purty and all.
My momma never did nothing to me. I had the happiest childhood. I am proud to be a member of Pandemic Horde. We all whoop it up. Look at our forums. We got porn.
I don't mind killing hi-sec hubs. Why not? Might as well kill something. They don't talk back, like real life.
Ain't no decision. Join us.
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Jarr Kaleb
4
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Posted - 2017.03.12 15:58:44 -
[40] - Quote
Shank Yoass wrote:Join us. Nah...
https://zkillboard.com/br/89027/ |
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
429
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Posted - 2017.03.13 02:13:44 -
[41] - Quote
Well I know EVE is a bit like this somewhat because pew pew is so closely tied to economic operations, and with that comes the whole epeen stuff, but business is business.
I don't mind who's making how much off broker fees as long as I have a secure/reliable trading platform with reasonable fees. I use PH backed fortizar for much of my trades in the Forge, and couldn't care less what amount of ISK they are raking in off people like me, because as far as I am concerned, when I look at my wallet and trades, the fee is acceptable to me and I'm doing well enough.
I don't buy any speeches on ideals or free market or some kind of principles or whatever. And I don't get butt hurt about how much someone is making off their operations - it's their business, if they doing well then good for them.
It is perfectly normal that people do things to make money/ISK, both IRL and in-game. There is absolutely nothing evil about wanting to make ISK(money) and doing what you can to maximise your profit. It is normal to charge for service and customers will either pay for it or go somewhere else depending on how they see your offer & its value for them.
I would NOT move to a different hub/fortizar market to 'support free market' or out of bitterness to any big entity, or because I don't want my ISK to go to whoever, or out of any pseudo philosophical principles - actually THAT is pretty opposite of free market isn't it?
I would actually be weary of markets that charge the minimum amount or none, because I may doubt their sustainability. I don't look for free/cheapest stuff around the universe. I'm happy to pay for something that is stable and reliable and have big enough force to back it up/defend it when sh1t his the fan.
So that's my 2 cents - for people like me, the biggest incentives to move to 'your' citadel would be assurance that you have the power/ISK/diplomatic relations to keep your structure running safely/reliably. I would be happy to be charged to use your service/platform where you use your income to strengthen the platform I'm using. I would prefer that than to save pennies with cheap broker fees but having to move around & set up new orders all the time as your citadels get re-inforced all the time.
In other words - your citadel has to be competitive/attractive on its own merit, as a business platform defended with sufficient force, or through some reliable diplomatic arrangements tied with ISK. Free market ideals or we are the good guys type of talks just don't cut it.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2017.03.13 02:26:03 -
[42] - Quote
Toobo wrote:I don't mind who's making how much off broker fees as long as I have a secure/reliable trading platform with reasonable fees. I use PH backed fortizar for much of my trades in the Forge, and couldn't care less what amount of ISK they are raking in off people like me, because as far as I am concerned, when I look at my wallet and trades, the fee is acceptable to me and I'm doing well enough. But you mentioned reasonable fees. PH monopolized market is impossible to be at reasonable rate. The only reason they're still at 0.1% is that there's still competition. |
Jarr Kaleb
6
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Posted - 2017.03.13 06:21:35 -
[43] - Quote
Toobo wrote:So that's my 2 cents - for people like me, the biggest incentives to move to 'your' citadel would be assurance that you have the power/ISK/diplomatic relations to keep your structure running safely/reliably. All upwell structures are safe because of Asset Safety, you will not lose any items in high-sec if a structure is destroyed.
You said you are using PH backed structure... is it ICY's trade hub? Don't you know that he is unanchoring his hub in Amarr, which currently is the biggest player-owned trade hub in Domain? As he himself said it's because he was unable to reach a deal with the people attacking the trade hub. As for The Forge, it is known that PH and ICY have "short-time agreement"... What will happen if they are unable "to reach an agreement" in the future?
Even NETC, C4K or any other groups who seem to be reliable and\or have some backing, they all can disappear tomorrow... EvE community already seen how big projects\alliances crumble.
Imo if you're too concerned about safety and reliability you should probably just use Jita 4-4, it is the most safe and reliable trade hub out there. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2017.03.13 17:26:41 -
[44] - Quote
As a person who is a new trader (regional trading mostly) and who is not yet very good at the craft of trading, here is my perspective:
Selling at a high profit margin is great, but it isn't everything. Volume is also a big thing to consider. I'd rather sell 100 things over a period of time and make 10 ISK per sale then sell 1 thing over that same period of time and make 100 ISK on that sale.
The historical trading hub stations (e.g. Jita, Dodixie, Amarr, Hek) range from very well established to reasonably well established and offer large customer bases. Granted, they come with a 2% broker fee, but that doesn't effect me at this stage of my carrier. I only trade in items that can be sold for at least 15% more than what I buy them at, so although I might not be maximizing the profit per unit sold, I am still making a profit. The trade hubs allow me to trade in larger volume, which typically means I can make enough ISK to keep me happy(ish).
Citadels don't seem to offer those same customer bases. Offering a broker rate of 0.1% just isn't very attractive if I'm losing the majority of my customers. Until people start flocking to key citadels the way they currently flock to station trade hubs, I don't think the broker rate savings will matter very much to me.
Also, the way I read the OP and some follow up posts made by others, it sound like the future of trade in Eve is at stake because the null guys will keep extorting higher and higher values from citadel owners, requiring that the owners raise brokerage rates so they have enough ISK to pay off their extortionists and that this process will break the trading system. That view seems a little too extreme for me - Worst case scenario, citadel brokerage fees will increase to the same level as NPC Stations. If they ever get as expensive as NPC stations, people will stop using them. NPC stations already have the advantage of being more established and don't have to worry about citadel security (reinforcing and all that business). The ONLY advantage I see to citadel trading is the lower brokerage rate.
Worse case scenario: PH is able to extort every single citadel owner in HS and as a result, every single citadel owner has to raise their brokerage rates to be in line with Station brokerage rates.
If this "Worse Case" occurs, it effectively means we will have the same brokerage fee's (+/- 2%) that existed in the game for the ten or so years before citadels were introduced and that there will be a lot of useless citadels out there.
This doesn't seem to be a very dire situation from where I'm standing. But I am admittedly new and not a very good trader, so maybe I'm missing the point. |
Jarr Kaleb
7
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Posted - 2017.03.14 16:15:23 -
[45] - Quote
William Ormono wrote:The ONLY advantage I see to citadel trading is the lower brokerage rate. Citadels have more than one advantage over NPC stations. The one I like the most (besides fees) is that anyone can easily dock\undock with billions in cargo without worrying about gankers and their scouts. |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.14 16:42:32 -
[46] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:William Ormono wrote:The ONLY advantage I see to citadel trading is the lower brokerage rate. Citadels have more than one advantage over NPC stations. The one I like the most (besides fees) is that anyone can easily dock\undock with billions in cargo without worrying about gankers and their scouts.
As a newish trader in eve myself. I am of the opinion that the more items that get 'destroyed' by gankers the better for me. As demand goes up and so follows price. Put a decent collateral on your hauler contracts, tank your hauling ships properly. Then ganking shouldn't be an issue.
As for brokers fees. The higher broker fees the more people get pushed out of the market because they can't make decent profits anymore. Again, a win for me as a trader.
If you train the skills and grind the rep why shouldn't you get rewarded with decent fees at trade hubs. Why should some new alpha fly in and make just as much profit as you who have 'wasted' months training and grinding.
Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed the profits of using free ports immensely, but as someone who has spent the time training the skills and is starting to grind what rep I need to lower fees, I have no problem whatsoever with high fees in player owned citadels.
If you want a Freeport go and build one for yourself and don't open it up to anyone. See how many people are desperate for low fees when it costs them that much capital. |
William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2017.03.14 17:59:25 -
[47] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:Citadels have more than one advantage over NPC stations. The one I like the most (besides fees) is that anyone can easily dock\undock with billions in cargo without worrying about gankers and their scouts.
So again, I'm kinda new to this, but I have insta-dock and insta-undock bookmarks in all the major trade hubs, so this doesn't seem like an advantage to me. I have never even once been locked, never mind being shot or destroyed when docking or undocking in Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Hek or Rens.
Also, I was focusing on citadel advantages/disadvantages as they apply to a traders. Safe docking/undocking is more of a hauler issue than a trader's issue IMO.
You say there are more than one advantage to citadels over stations. Besides cheaper broker rates and safer docking/undocking what other advantages can I get from selling in a citadel? |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3506
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Posted - 2017.03.14 20:51:22 -
[48] - Quote
William Ormono wrote: selling in a citadel?
Maybe you didn't get it, but selling is not the main point here. Beside pilot services stuff, only few actually sell stuff in public citadels.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Jarr Kaleb
7
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Posted - 2017.03.15 11:39:36 -
[49] - Quote
William Ormono wrote:So again, I'm kinda new to this, but I have insta-dock and insta-undock bookmarks in all the major trade hubs, so this doesn't seem like an advantage to me. I have never even once been locked, never mind being shot or destroyed when docking or undocking in Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Hek or Rens.
Also, I was focusing on citadel advantages/disadvantages as they apply to a traders. Safe docking/undocking is more of a hauler issue than a trader's issue IMO.
You say there are more than one advantage to citadels over stations. Besides cheaper broker rates and safer docking/undocking what other advantages can I get from selling in a citadel?
Insta-undock bookmarks will help you avoid only inexperienced gankers. Experienced gankers\ganking groups usually have trained alt up with already deployed probes that can cover all of your insta-undock bookmarks no matter the distance from a station. When your ship land on a bookmark, their scouting\bumping ship lands on you with very little time difference.
As for the advantages... there aren't many advantages for a station trader who is 'flipping plexes all day everyday' but if you're trading between stations (maybe do some manufacturing as well) and haul your items yourself, the advantages besides cheaper broker rates are safer docking\undocking, citadel's delivery system, free offices and jump clones along with instant clones swapping (eg. nomads>ascendancy). It all sums up letting you to save quite a bit of time and money. |
Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
10
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Posted - 2017.03.15 11:58:23 -
[50] - Quote
Thank you, Jarr Kaleb. It is always helpful to receive advice on transport and trade. Hisec ganks happen quicker than the blink of an angel's glance. We cannot be complacent.
I am excited to see that Planet V Trade now has hubs in both Perimeter and Ashab. Go, Go,Go. It seems that, somehow, in spite of the concerted efforts of Pandemic Horde to monopolize trade and raise fees, the future of free trade has a glimmer of hope.
I will trade only in Planet V Trade hubs.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
429
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Posted - 2017.03.15 14:54:16 -
[51] - Quote
EDIT: TL/DR in advance - what I said below was off the tone of the OP, where the whole thing was framed in some sort of ideological conflicts or whatever.
Karin Yang wrote: You mentioned reasonable fees. PH monopolized market is impossible to be at reasonable rate. The only reason they're still at 0.1% is that there's still competition. But I agree with your conclusion. Not many people care about long term outcome.
I do not believe that such a monopoly can happen, even with the size of PH. If they truly monopolised, then yeah sure, theoretically they can call any price. But I just don't see that as realistic, so I see them as being probably powerful enough for long time yet still having some competition/incentives to be 'reasonable' with rates.
Jarr Kaleb wrote: Imo if you're too concerned about safety and reliability you should probably just use Jita 4-4, it is the most safe and reliable trade hub out there.
thanks, but I am familiar with asset safety mechanics. Maybe I phrased it wrong - I do not worry about 'safety' of my 'assets' in such hubs, it's more about annoyance of orders getting cancelled & needing to be re-set up and such. For me personally this is annoying enough that I'm willing to pay a small fee to avoid it if I can, but not a real big enough loss to bear with Jita broker fee.
I do have some orders that I run from Jita 4-4 though, for :reasons:
The main point of what i said was that I do not mind whoever makes ISKies, as long as it serves my purpose and put me in the profit zone, be it PH or any other entity, as you point out they all come and go and join and break up at some point. I just sense that some people feel bitter when someone else/some entity makes lots of ISK, whereas I'm always of the opinion that if something is worth to me at what I consider reasonable price I don't mind paying for it.
It's kinda hard to explain because I'm mixing sentiments with business, but some people just really really hate paying anything more than the minimum (also IRL), and cry it's a rip off when something is charged more than they feel it should be. It's those sentiments that I do not empathise with. Did I see the price tag? Did I want it? Did I pay for it? Then that's the end of the story. It doesn't matter if the same product was being sold at 10% the price in the next shop or if the same product was being sold by a charity that donates money to a noble cause or if the shop I bought it from was sponsoring some evil organisations whatever.
I have never ever boycotted a product from a particular company IRL for any ethical/political/philosophical/ideal reasons and I never will, and that probably carries over to my in game attitude.
Like, really simple - i saw the price, acknowledged, and paid, no need for drama & talk of ideals & principles what so ever.
Just what I think. :p
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
11
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Posted - 2017.03.15 16:05:07 -
[52] - Quote
Quote:I do not believe that such a monopoly can happen, even with the size of PH. If they truly monopolised, then yeah sure, theoretically they can call any price. But I just don't see that as realistic, so I see them as being probably powerful enough for long time yet still having some competition/incentives to be 'reasonable' with rates. Wow. I am struggling with this. I trade in Jita/Perimeter almost every day. I have for many years. I tried trading in the Pandemic Horde hubs; in the IChooseYou hub and now the scam Horde PEAT'S REBEL HUB. All of them have raised their broker fees when the Planet V Trade hub was destroyed.
Do you not realize why broker fees remain low in the region? Do you think the fees will remain at 0.0%/0.1% if Planet V Trade is forced out?
If you are willing to pay 2% instead of 0.0%/0.1%, then there is no explaining. It is not complex. Only Planet V Trade offers hope. The future of New Eden is dictated by the meta-game. You can understand it and take a position, or you can watch the troops march down the street and wave.
I know what I need to do. Planet V Trade forever. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
430
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:01:04 -
[53] - Quote
Love Turtle wrote:Quote:I do not believe that such a monopoly can happen, even with the size of PH. If they truly monopolised, then yeah sure, theoretically they can call any price. But I just don't see that as realistic, so I see them as being probably powerful enough for long time yet still having some competition/incentives to be 'reasonable' with rates. Wow. I am struggling with this. I trade in Jita/Perimeter almost every day. I have for many years. I tried trading in the Pandemic Horde hubs; in the IChooseYou hub and now the scam Horde PEAT'S REBEL HUB. All of them have raised their broker fees when the Planet V Trade hub was destroyed. Do you not realize why broker fees remain low in the region? Do you think the fees will remain at 0.0%/0.1% if Planet V Trade is forced out? If you are willing to pay 2% instead of 0.0%/0.1%, then there is no explaining. It is not complex. Only Planet V Trade offers hope. The future of New Eden is dictated by the meta-game. You can understand it and take a position, or you can watch the troops march down the street and wave. I know what I need to do. Planet V Trade forever.
There is a very definite ceiling on how high this can go - which is 2% minus individual skill and standing bonus for the NPC stations in Jita, unless CCP decides to remove all NPC stations market functionality.
Whatever any 'evil dudes' charge you that is less than NPC broker fee is a 'bonus' for you, it's a service and a benefit they offer, it increases your profit amount in your trading. Whatever they charge above NPC broker fee is an option you are never forced to use.
So here is the thing, look
1. Whoever monopolise or bully others or whatever will still set their broker fee to be lower than NPC broker fee, which means you still save some cost in setting up orders if you use their structures instead of NPC stations, so you ARE getting benefit from it, so it makes sense that you need to cough up the ISK for the benefit you are getting
2. If the broker fee ever goes above NPC fee, you are not forced to use those player owned fortizars and enjoy your 'cheaper' broker fee at jita trading
Whichever way you look at it they are offering (whoever they may be) cheaper option than what NPC station offers. Yeah how dare they make money while letting you trade with cheaper cost, right? How dare they MAKE PASSIVE ISK OFF ME while offering me discount on broker fees compared to NPCs?
That's the funny thing I'm pointing out here. When someone plants a citadel and run it and defends it and offers lower broker fee than NPC options, they are offering you a service and the money they make is what they earn for what they can offer.
Personally I would be happy to see the end of 0.0 or 0.1% broker fees. It doesn't help me much in the big picture. I would actually be making more ISK if the player owned market hubs had much higher broker fee as normally recognised standard, preferably over 1%, possibly up to 1.5%.
The impact such broker fees would have will benefit me greatly, so yes, I guess I also do have some individual agenda. But beside my own agenda, what I said earlier stands. They charge you less than NPC, which saves you cost, and if they charge more, no one's forcing you to use it.
And what's also funny is that the broker fee is something you would have paid anyway, it's a cost you cannot avoid without citadel mechanism - it is the ISK that would have gone to NPC and leave your hands, now it's only going to some other players - why be so bitter and don't want to give ISK to other real human players who run such structures while happily waste them to the NPCs. It's like 'I rather burn money than give it to someone else' kinda mindset when I look at it.
So well, again, that's what I think. I can accept people have different opinions, it's just that I cannot empathise with it at all.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
430
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:06:50 -
[54] - Quote
Love Turtle wrote:The future of New Eden is dictated by the meta-game. You can understand it and take a position, or you can watch the troops march down the street and wave.
I know what I need to do. Planet V Trade forever.
Sorry forgot to address this particular part in my last post.
I think I understand what's going on, and I like it. People want different things right? I like the changes that came and I like the way this is going. Just because someone sees the same thing you hate and says he likes it, it doesn't mean he doesn't understand it. He just likes different things.
1. I see X 2. I hate it 3. Person A sees X 4. He likes it 5. Person A doesn't understand X because if he understood what X is then he MUST hate it
This is tragic way of thinking. Absolutely tragic. In my view obviously. You may like it. ;)
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
430
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:17:30 -
[55] - Quote
I feel like rambling, so I'll just add another one (probably not good idea) and call it a night.
You remember IWI, well that got shut down. Sad. For me.
But oh well, from some players perspective, this was a 'good thing for the game'. because IWI was making so much ISK 'out of the game using out of the game mechanics that could not be attacked using in game methods, such as space ships pew pew'.
i.e. IWI was spinning and racking up so much ISK without every being in danger of losing their ISK by any in-game assault, I mean, you couldn't bring space ships to shoot at their slot machines on their website, duh.
Now there are player markets. You can make obscene amount of what some people would see as 'passive ISK' by being big enough to own and operate a market hub with enough traffic. But it does not matter if a Perimeter fortizar owner makes a 3 trillions a month from broker fees or some small time dude makes a few bil a month from some backwater system hubs.
The point is that these structures are in space, and they can be attacked. They may be owned and defended by the most powerful entity or with the biggest number of players or backed by the richest players or whatever, but the game mechanic is absolutely there for you to try to attack it and bring it down.
So it is in-game, built by materials gathered in space, using the NPC seeded and player researched BPOs, and it is in-space and it is destructible.
I think this is the point where people say 'working as intended' and move on.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
3
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:20:54 -
[56] - Quote
Toobo wrote: This is tragic way of thinking. Absolutely tragic. In my view obviously. You may like it. ;)
I don't know where to begin; in part, because you use so many words to say something so simple:
You want higher broker fees?
Well, I don't. I think most people don't. Maybe I am missing something. Send the isk to me, not the sink, then.
Very odd. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
430
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:55:52 -
[57] - Quote
Allsales Final wrote:Toobo wrote: This is tragic way of thinking. Absolutely tragic. In my view obviously. You may like it. ;)
I don't know where to begin; in part, because you use so many words to say something so simple: You want higher broker fees? Well, I don't. I think most people don't. Maybe I am missing something. Send the isk to me, not the sink, then. Very odd.
To put it in context,
The OP and Love Turtle have both pitched their points in political/ideological terms, liberally spraying words loaded with values and ideals, as if highsec population should cooperate under the banner of free market and some sort of moral justice to fight against the bigger force, whatever.
I just pointed out it's just business. No moral speech needed.
As for me wanting higher broker fees, it's just that not everyone operates in the same ways. There are people and operations that will benefit and make more ISK from higher broker fee market standard. If you were doing those you too would wish that broker fees would be higher, at least if you wanted to make more ISK.
Cheaper broker fee = cheaper 'cost' for me, bigger profit for me is just one common example - it's not wrong but it's not the only way business works and it's certainly looking at things from very limited perspective of minimising the cost.
The cost can increase but if that helps to create bigger profit where the new profit minus increased broker fee is bigger then obviously that makes more ISK. :p
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
4
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:30:16 -
[58] - Quote
Toobo wrote:
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The cost can increase but if that helps to create bigger profit where the new profit minus increased broker fee is bigger then obviously that makes more ISK. :p
I have to admit, I find it very difficult to understand you. I get the impression that you use more and more words when you have less and less to say.
I understand Love Turtle. He wants freedom of trade and lower fees. Boom. Done. What is it you want? Why are you posting so many words in this thread?
As I said: very odd.
Lower my fees or go away.
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Love Turtle
Asteroid Belt Mining and Refining
13
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:32:22 -
[59] - Quote
I don't want to get involved with the bickering, so please leave me out of it.
Sometimes those who speak the most have other agendas. Enough said.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3507
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:41:29 -
[60] - Quote
The ideal situation here is, that everyone else pays high fees (to me) except myself and friends.
With ingame perspective, I believe we see the beginning of the sovereignty war about empire space which was forced on us by CCP introducing citadels. Difficult to stay neutral unless you strictly use NPC stations only. Hence pick your side in this war.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ch00Ch00 Train
Ch00Ch00 Train Corporation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:50:53 -
[61] - Quote
You guys understand that 0.1% tax doesn't end up getting paid by the traders, right? If all traders are paying 0.1% tax, then the value of the buy orders decrease and the value of the sell orders increase so that traders can continue to make their margin. Allsales Final, you get that right? |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:15:22 -
[62] - Quote
Allsales Final wrote:Toobo wrote:
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The cost can increase but if that helps to create bigger profit where the new profit minus increased broker fee is bigger then obviously that makes more ISK. :p
I have to admit, I find it very difficult to understand you. I get the impression that you use more and more words when you have less and less to say. I understand Love Turtle. He wants freedom of trade and lower fees. Boom. Done. What is it you want? Why are you posting so many words in this thread? As I said: very odd. Lower my fees or go away.
I'm not sure if this is what toobos is going on about but I'll have my own input as to why higher broker fees are better for me. All the plebs who can only trade with little to non existent broker fees are pushed out of the market. Less competition means higher margins. Higher margins more profit.
Hopefully that explains it a bit more for you. While it is nice to have low fees this has pushed alot of items to razor thin margins forcing volume to be king and .01 isking to be rampant. Buy orders and sell orders are not 'generally' filled by traders. So in theory with higher fees and higher margins with the volume staying around the same. Alot more profit to be had by the traders that stick around.
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Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
4
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:32:44 -
[63] - Quote
I think there is some real confusion here.
Pandemic Horde is looking to create a trading environment where you pay 2% broker fees while they pay 0% broker fees.
How do you intend to make isk then?
They are not your friends. Well, unless you are one of them. Are you? Maybe we all should be.
Do you think this is somehow like CCP changing the rules across the board for everybody?
It is not.
It is market manipulation, pure and simple.
Planet V Trade is offering fair and transparent markets in the face of overwhelming hostility.
I must say, I am with Love Turtle on this.
Planet V Trade. Now and forever. |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.15 22:22:43 -
[64] - Quote
If you think even a corp the size of horde can monopolize all the items in a market the size of Jita I think you should run your numbers again.
And honestly if all of these traders are hating on horde so much why have they not paid someone to take out their structures and Pocos in highsec?? I dare say if all the upset traders put their funds together they could afford it. |
Allsales Final
Stars in No Sky
4
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Posted - 2017.03.15 22:58:34 -
[65] - Quote
Cor'El Dahken wrote:If you think even a corp the size of horde can monopolize all the items in a market the size of Jita I think you should run your numbers again.
What? "...monopolize all the items..." lol
Do you really not understand this?
Wow
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Jarr Kaleb
8
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Posted - 2017.03.15 23:10:36 -
[66] - Quote
Cor'El Dahken wrote:And honestly if all of these traders are hating on horde so much why have they not paid someone to take out their structures and Pocos in highsec?? I dare say if all the upset traders put their funds together they could afford it. I doubt 'these traders' hate PH that much... Besides why waste money to blap structures not many people use.
But, maybe if they can build a trade hub similar to what Karin had, it would be good idea to consider. |
Cor'El Dahken
Miasma Corporation
2
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Posted - 2017.03.15 23:33:40 -
[67] - Quote
Allsales Final wrote:Cor'El Dahken wrote:If you think even a corp the size of horde can monopolize all the items in a market the size of Jita I think you should run your numbers again.
What? "...monopolize all the items..." lol Do you really not understand this? Wow
you seem to think that someone paying less fees than you will push you out of business?
I just stated that if your problem is Horde paying 0% and everyone else paying 2% I highly doubt it will affect your trading operations much. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
430
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Posted - 2017.03.16 00:06:43 -
[68] - Quote
I've said enough to make my point. I hope some people have gotten something out of it. If some didn't, well I tried.
What Cor'El Dahken said is part of it - too many throw away orders, a shot in the dark, with inconsequential broker fees, the cost of setting up an order is next to nothing, which means it a stupid game of just setting up orders for whatever in case you catch odd sale/purchase here and there.
There's also something else. I'll use RL example for easier understanding. A lot of people drive cars, and yes a lot of people would love cheaper petrol price. But OBVIOUSLY increase in the oil price will make more money for some people in the world. I don't understand how anyone cannot see that or deny that fact.
Good luck with your Planet V projects & free trade movement or whatever. TBH I think it's cool as a player driven content/incentive/project. I always like these things and respect people who put in effort to initiate and push such projects.
I just don't see any moral high ground in doing this though. And that's what I generally do not like. It's not much different from CODE. doing their RP thing as the 'saviour of high sec', just rephrased as saviour of the free trade.
Toobo out. Good luck o7
EDIT: like, I would be happy to pay for any of Planet V's services as part of business if it made sense, was appealing, etc, and 20m fee for 0.0% broker fee for life time is pretty damn good deal I have to say, so yeah, it's cool.
But I would not donate a single penny for the cause or support them out of principle, or to save the high sec trade or whatever. You see the difference there. If the OP was a straight up offer for deals & business I would've been giving thumps up all the way.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Jarr Kaleb
8
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Posted - 2017.03.16 10:31:54 -
[69] - Quote
Toobo wrote:I just don't see any moral high ground in doing this though. And that's what I generally do not like. It's not much different from CODE. doing their RP thing as the 'saviour of high sec', just rephrased as saviour of the free trade. What? Actually it's PH which is acting more like CODE extorting iskies from hub owners and traders while blabbling everywhere "no trade is the free trade". Don't you know that CODE is the biggest high-sec extortion and griefing project in New Eden?
As far as I know, no one who supports Planet V (including its owner) is forcing his\her views onto others or is flying around selling trading permits. And you don't need to follow "The Perimeter Code of Conduct" to use Planet V trade hub or any other trade hub you like...
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William Ormono
Regional Rat Control Ltd.
3
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:23:12 -
[70] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:With ingame perspective, I believe we see the beginning of the sovereignty war about empire space which was forced on us by CCP introducing citadels. Difficult to stay neutral unless you strictly use NPC stations only. Hence pick your side in this war.
A HS sovereignty war would be pretty amazing IMO. Hopefully there is enough space for all levels of fighting to break out - with large alliances fighting for regional control of highly populated regions (The Forge, The Domain, etc.) and smaller corps/alliances battling for system control of quieter backwater type systems. Sounds like CONTENT to me! |
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Pindi buoy
Conoco. Caldari Armed Forces.
1
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:49:27 -
[71] - Quote
Love Turtle wrote:There are a lot of words being wasted on accusations and recriminations and obfuscation here.
This situation is really quite simple:
Planet V is offering and paying a large price to defend the freedom of trade, starting in Jita, but presumably throughout all of New Eden, in order to serve the interests of the entire Eve community, even in the face of seemingly overwhelming aggression.
Pandemic Horde has sworn to wardec all offshore market hubs, except for those who pay them enormous and ever increasing "protection" fees. They are attempting to monopolize trade in order to reap ill-gotten monopoly profits at the expense of the entire Eve community.
None of this is inferred. It is the avowed and evidenced intent of both sides. No discussion or study required.
This is pretty much as clear a war between good and evil as you can find. I know Eve is just a game, and everyone has the right to use it as an outlet for their repressed childhood fears and anxieties, but I choose to use it as a way to express the person I want to be.
With my dying breath, I will stand with Moac Tor and Planet V Offshore Trading to do what is right, against all odds, at least once in my life.
Moac, keep up the good work and fly with the sword of the righteous. Let us know what we can do to help
lolwut.
Anyway, it has to do with the fact that Karin and freinds were making 300b a month, they drove people out and monopolized, others want share of that 300b pie, it's simple as that and now they're being driven out, this is free market right here at play.
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Pindi buoy
Conoco. Caldari Armed Forces.
1
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Posted - 2017.03.17 21:07:59 -
[72] - Quote
Cor'El Dahken wrote:Allsales Final wrote:Cor'El Dahken wrote:If you think even a corp the size of horde can monopolize all the items in a market the size of Jita I think you should run your numbers again.
What? "...monopolize all the items..." lol Do you really not understand this? Wow you seem to think that someone paying less fees than you will push you out of business? I just stated that if your problem is Horde paying 0% and everyone else paying 2% I highly doubt it will affect your trading operations much.
So, wait, are you saying I have to pay you guys fees to get 0%, but alternatively, I can place an alt in Horde for free and get 0% in addition to seeding their nullsec markets?
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Jarr Kaleb
8
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Posted - 2017.03.18 01:24:29 -
[73] - Quote
Pindi buoy wrote:Our assets get stuck for days every now and then or we need to move them from one place to another and re-set all the orders and do all this over and over. It was fine the first time and the second time, but now it's what, 15th time? I lost track. Back then Karin was offering free hauling service with collateral to traders. It's not like traders were left alone with their assets.
I kind of understand that re-listing orders every two weeks may be somewhat annoying to some people but moving assets with no risk at all from tether to tether or using free courier service shouldn't sound like a bad option, right?
___
Honestly, in comparison to horde, no matter how you feel about Karin and his plans, the latter at least knew what to do while PH seems to just fly around, pretending to have fun. Horde don't_ even_ trying_ to generate traffic to any of their hubs.
It's just business, you're right... but, I also don't need long talks about safety and reliability while sh_t still sells faster and better in Jita. I want to see that the owner is caring about his trade hub and traders... or at least trying.
ps. Will Pandemic Horde offer to traders free hauling service if something goes wrong? Doubt so... |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
792
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Posted - 2017.03.18 19:43:06 -
[74] - Quote
Greetings all,
Thank you to the many of you who continue to support our efforts to maintain free trade across New Eden, and to fight the current extortion tactics employed by Pandemic Horde and others.
I have a couple of updates to the Planet V Trade operation. First of which you may have noticed already; our market hubs have changed their name slightly. All of our market hubs are now named 'Planet V Trade'. This is due to a new update released by CCP in which they no longer allow unicode symbols for newly anchored structures. And so going forward we will be using the name 'Planet V Trade'.
Additionally, we had been receiving requests for a Planet V Trade market hub in Ashab. The requests were from traders who were having high broker fees forced upon them by Mercenary Coalition who have been extorting market hub owners in the region surrounding Amarr. As a result we have now expanded our market operation to cover Amarr, and we currently have an online market hub located in Ashab.
Another piece of good news; we have discovered a method to easily anchor a market in any system with it being almost impossible for it to be wardeced within the first 15 minutes necessary to prevent it coming online. As a result we now have a Planet V Trade hub in Perimeter, and should be able to continue to keep a presence there going forward now.
Finally, for a limited period of time we will be offering 0% public broker fees in order to encourage traders to try our market hubs. There is still much work to do on increasing the volume of trade necessary to prevent Pandemic Horde backed markets maintaining a meaningful presence, and so we hope that by taking this step it will help with that. Anyone who has donated in order to receive the 0% broker fee will maintain that rate even when our public broker fee increases back to 0.1%. Although if you wish to have your donation returned please send me a mail and I will do so.
We hope you will continue to support us in the war to maintain free markets and prevent extortion by trading with Planet V Trade. |
Jarr Kaleb
9
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Posted - 2017.03.19 13:49:11 -
[75] - Quote
Hello, if I'm not mistaken you're the owner of Adam4eve website.
Can you please explain what is going on with statistics of some of player owned trade hubs?
Please, see this screenshot, pay attention to buy orders\buy volume highlighted red. I checked statistics today with ~20min or so interval, why is there such a huge difference?
If it's a bug why all the player owned hubs weren't affected?
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And here are larger screenshots - http://i.imgur.com/7Py4GB3.jpg before http://i.imgur.com/tb17f2j.jpg after |
Ethan02
Succurit Research and Development
5
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Posted - 2017.03.20 05:12:26 -
[76] - Quote
Responded in the Adam4EVE feedback thread since it would be off-topic for this one. |
Jarr Kaleb
11
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Posted - 2017.03.24 17:58:39 -
[77] - Quote
Q. WHY FREE TRADE IS BAD? A. Free trading allows the ability for margin scamming to be free.
An article posted on imperium.news by Jeronica (PL\EVE-Mogul). Might be interesting to read. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
799
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:01:55 -
[78] - Quote
Greetings all, I am here to bring you all another update from New Eden's biggest free trade market operation; Planet V Trade.
We have been busy keeping the extortionists at bay, and bringing free trade to Perimeter, Ashab, and now also Hek; with many more locations still to come.
As a result of all this activity, I have had little time to keep the thread updated, so my apologies for that. Going forward now that we have things stabilised, more focus will be put into keeping the thread and communication channels updated.
As traders at our hubs are aware now, we have managed to have an almost uninterrupted service at all of our locations, with market hubs being replaced within hours of the old hub deactivating. We have discovered methods which allow us to reliably place market hubs once every fortnight, which means less hassle for our traders having to move orders.
This is in contrast to some of the less reputable hubs which have been appearing which have been using a method which involves deanchoring an active market hub. For any trader unfortunate enough to inadvertently use one of these hubs, it means that all your assets and orders get instantly tied up in asset safety with no warning.
Planet V Trade aims to offer a reliable, secure, and convenient service to all traders of New Eden. To make things even more convenient I can now officially announce that we will be offering a free hauling service to Planet V market hubs in Perimeter and Ashab. Simply create a public courier contract with collateral up to 20 billion ISK, and a volume of no more than 500,000 m3, and one of our haulers will transport it for you within 24 hours. Just ensure that the destination is one of the official Planet V Trade market hubs listed in the 'Planet V Trade' channel, and that the pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system.
The war against the extortionists is still far from over, and in addition to this they now have backers who are paying them to destroy all competitor market hubs in the false belief that the extortionists will allow them to charge the sky high broker fees which they desire unchallenged. We have been keeping a careful watch on those who are funding the extortionists, and we now have some powerful allies who have seen the value in our cause, and are willing to take appropriate action to prevent the destruction of any further trade hubs.
This war to protect free trade in high sec is a war which will become part of Eve history. If the average capsuleer stands idle as the extortionists take control, then it will become impossible to shake their grip. We are now in a moment in which the balance can swing either way. It is now more important than ever that anyone who has an interest in preventing the extortion of high sec takes action now and supports free trade. |
Jarr Kaleb
18
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Posted - 2017.04.08 14:11:47 -
[79] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Planet V Trade aims to offer a reliable, secure, and convenient service to all traders of New Eden. To make things even more convenient I can now officially announce that we will be offering a free hauling service to Planet V market hubs in Perimeter and Ashab. Simply create a public courier contract with collateral up to 20 billion ISK, and a volume of no more than 500,000 m3, and one of our haulers will transport it for you within 24 hours. Just ensure that the destination is one of the official Planet V Trade market hubs listed in the 'Planet V Trade' channel, and that the pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system.
But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:50:31 -
[80] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful.
Moac Tor wrote:pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system. |
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Jarr Kaleb
20
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Posted - 2017.04.08 17:48:33 -
[81] - Quote
Karin Yang wrote:Jarr Kaleb wrote:But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful. Moac Tor wrote:pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system. This is exactly why I linked that. That information may help people who can't use PVT's free hauling service and\or need to move their stuff from other systems\NPC stations. |
Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
0
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Posted - 2017.04.09 22:21:53 -
[82] - Quote
Exciting times for the Planet V / Offshore consortium, I look forward to rendering any assistance that I can. Any fellow capsuleers who have some stake in an expanding market governed by performance and not protectionism please consider docking a solid PvP ship or two in the next active market hub.
Further, Moac, do you know if the intra-system hauling service has the turnaround time to move assets in the hours leading up to citadel timers exiting reinforcement? I will lend a freighter or two if need. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
802
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Posted - 2017.04.10 10:54:04 -
[83] - Quote
Mision Realizado wrote:Exciting times for the Planet V / Offshore consortium, I look forward to rendering any assistance that I can. Any fellow capsuleers who have some stake in an expanding market governed by performance and not protectionism please consider docking a solid PvP ship or two in the next active market hub.
Further, Moac, do you know if the intra-system hauling service has the turnaround time to move assets in the hours leading up to citadel timers exiting reinforcement? I will lend a freighter or two if need. Hi Mision, thank you for your endorsement and support.
At the moment I am looking to aim for a 24 hour maximum turnaround time for the courier contracts. The period leading up to a new hub coming online is often time consuming, and as the courier contracts are public contracts, any help in accepting and hauling the contracts by freighter pilots willing to lend a hand will go a long way to help improve the level of service we can offer. You would just need to ensure that you have docking access to the pickup location and destination (which would be the case if transferring between Planet V Trade hubs), and ensure that the contract is between structures in the same system.
On a related subject, something which could be of interest to traders using our Planet V Trade hubs; I have been looking at setting up a low cost hauling service between all of our Planet V Trade hubs. The collateral would have to be much lower than the intra-system hauling, but it could be useful to anyone looking to move assets between our hub locations. Perhaps something for the future as we grow. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
804
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Posted - 2017.04.29 02:10:06 -
[84] - Quote
Hello to friends and enemies alike,
I bring you all another update from the finest free trade market operation in New Eden.
Every day we are rallying more supporters to our cause, and have reached a level where the momentum seems to have snowballed Planet V into something much more than originally envisioned.
We now have a permanent presence in the four major trading regions; The Forge, Domain, Sinq Laison, and Metropolis.
The Battle for Perimeter
After a long battle for Perimeter against ICY and Pandemic Horde, we have decided it is no longer worth the continued time and investment in keeping a hub active in this system. It has been a great opportunity to push the citadel mechanics to their limits, and we have tested them to the extreme against an opponent who has had the utmost dedication to destroying all the competition in the system for their backers. I do not think there will be many that will be able to go to the lengths that Pandemic Horde have gone to, and so this was the perfect testing ground to forge a solid foundation to our operation.
The fact is that a hub can be placed at any location in the region within one jump of the market system, and so we need not limit ourselves to only one system when we can dramatically increase the pressure on our opponents by anchoring hubs in a number of possible locations. Perimeter was a battle with many good fights that will be forever remembered, although in the end it is just a small part of this great war.
Developing Free Trade Markets
In order to sustain and develop the operation long term, we have refined our strategy and will be making a couple of changes this Sunday.
In Ashab the public broker rate will be returning to 0.1%. The temporary 0.0% has been effective in putting pressure on the backers who support the extortion of high sec, and it is a good time now to raise this back to the standard 0.1% rate.
In The Forge as part of a long term strategy we have decided to keep a permanent 0% public rate at all of our hubs in the region. It is necessary to apply the maximum pressure here to those who are backing the enemies of free trade, and so for this reason we have no plans to change the rate here for the foreseeable future.
In the still developing market operation around Hek and Dodixie we are still refining the strategy and so will continue to offer a permanent 0% public broker rate.
We will also be increasing the amount required to obtain the permanent 0.0% rate to 100m ISK as opposed to the current 20m ISK. The 20m ISK rate was initially set very low in order to increase trade volume in our hubs and reward early supporters, and at 100m this will still offer great value whilst helping to support the investment needed to develop the service and provide free trade markets in the long term.
I'd like to thank everyone who has donated in support of the cause so far, and many who have donated well in excess of the 20m ISK required for the 0.0% rate. The donations and messages of support really help us motivated to keep this going.
This war we are fighting; the war for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers and extortion, has been a war of which many great battles have gone relatively unreported in the Eve media. I believe though that his is one of the great wars of our time. Together we can make sure history will remember this as the point at which the average capsuleer took a stand against the might of the null empires, and won. |
Sophie Fumimasa
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.04.29 23:38:24 -
[85] - Quote
Hey Moac, thanks for the update. I have been lurking around, keeping an eye on the situation and was a big fan of what you were doing. But your latest updates prompts me to question your motives to be honest. You state free trade and then you put the public broker fee up? Well my trade isn't free anymore then is it? and whilst I get that you have costs to cover duping me into moving my trading into your citadel and then upping the broker fee, that seems like something you say the enemy of free trade would do and that annoys me greatly. Are you here to help traders have somewhere to trade or are you here to line your own pocket? You state that the war is for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers or extortion and yet you put the fee up to access your 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m, a quintuple increase. I'm questioning if I am supporting the right side in this as so far you have done exactly what you say the other side will do. |
CoachFeratu
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.04.30 00:14:08 -
[86] - Quote
Sophie Fumimasa wrote:Hey Moac, thanks for the update. I have been lurking around, keeping an eye on the situation and was a big fan of what you were doing. But your latest updates prompts me to question your motives to be honest. You state free trade and then you put the public broker fee up? Well my trade isn't free anymore then is it? and whilst I get that you have costs to cover duping me into moving my trading into your citadel and then upping the broker fee, that seems like something you say the enemy of free trade would do and that annoys me greatly. Are you here to help traders have somewhere to trade or are you here to line your own pocket? You state that the war is for the right to trade freely without excessive barriers or extortion and yet you put the fee up to access your 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m, a quintuple increase. I'm questioning if I am supporting the right side in this as so far you have done exactly what you say the other side will do.
They increased the broker fee? are you sure, is this for everybody? maybe it's just your corp I doubt they'd increase it across the board, they might be putting a tax on people helping phorde? |
Tim Gemulus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.04.30 01:16:02 -
[87] - Quote
People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!
I went into the Planet V chat channel today to ask some questions in regards to the latest update, voice some concerns etc. Rather than provide any sort of official response at all I was instead quietly banned from the channel without any answers or explanation. Why is Moac Tor hiding all of a sudden? He has provided an update which has increased broker fees everywhere except The Forge. He has increased the fee to get the 0.0% rate from 20m to 100m in a single stroke. Is this not the same sort of thing that he stated Pandemic Horde would do?
It appears that Moac Tor is not in it to provide a free trade structure for the benefit of all traders but instead to line his own pockets with the tax and fee ISK.
I ask you, to all those that supported Moac and Planet V Trade, is this the sort of person you want running your structures? Overnight he has increased the barrier to getting 0.0% rates by increasing the "donation" required from 20m to 100m. I post here stating that it is an extortion fee. He encourages you to pay this fee to access a 0.0% rate but if it was truly a donation, then why not have a public 0.0% rate and ask for donations? Why basically force larger traders to pay him to access this rate? (Otherwise what is stopping them using other structures?)
I asked some of these questions in his channel and was met with silence from Moac and then booted from the channel. So I ask them here, along with this. Moac Tor, do you have some other motive to hide? Are you unwilling to answer these questions because you cannot justify them under your previous arguments for a free trade structure?
Oh and one final question. How can you state that you have won against null sec when you have pulled out of Perimeter and admitted that you cannot keep a structure alive in that system? |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
807
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Posted - 2017.04.30 01:33:22 -
[88] - Quote
CoachFeratu wrote:Edit, nvm just checked and I'm seeing it too, and I checked on alts, this is crap, these guys are just are doing exactly what they claim to be trying to stop We have been experiencing a number of pandemic horde alts spamming our channels, although if you are genuine would you be able to post screenshots of the increased broker fee? We have not actually put it back to 0.1% in Ashab yet, and also it is still only 20 million ISK to receive the 0% broker fee for life.
As much as I would like to, I unfortunately cannot run the operation at 0% permanently as it does cost a lot to maintain it with having to replace the lost hubs.
Also bear in mind, our enemies have stated that they plan on charging 0.5% and above, and it is only because of our dedicated team investing a lot of their personal ISK and time into the Planet V Trade operation that we have managed to stop them. It still never ceases to amaze be the benevolence of the people I have met during this journey.
Also it is worth mentioning, in the opening post it is stated that we will never increase the public broker fee above 0.1%, and the 0.0% supporters rate will always remain at 0.0% for life.
Our core principles have and never will change. The 0.0% public rate has always been clearly advertised as a temporary rate in both the MOTD and in this thread, although I fully expect that the enemies of Free Trade will trying to spin this. |
Jarr Kaleb
21
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Posted - 2017.04.30 02:24:12 -
[89] - Quote
Tim Gemulus wrote:People that support Planet V. You are being lied to! Gobbins, please re-login. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/
Tim Gemulus wrote:I went into the Planet V chat channel today to ask some questions in regards to the latest update, voice some concerns etc. Rather than provide any sort of official response at all I was instead quietly banned from the channel without any answers or explanation. If I had rights I'd also ban you. It's not the first time you're spamming the channel. You talked to Moac twice or thrise during previous months and got all your questions answered.
I'm amazed that Moac still wastes his time replying to yet another spam from butthurt Pandemic Horde alt. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3660
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Posted - 2017.04.30 06:29:05 -
[90] - Quote
Tim Gemulus wrote: I ask you, to all those that supported Moac and Planet V Trade, is this the sort of person you want running your structures?
Yes.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Lewis Alton-Hastur
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.04.30 09:41:06 -
[91] - Quote
Tim Gemulus wrote:People that support Planet V. You are being lied to! ... There is not much to say, what hasn't already been said to your post. Maybe just one thing, some ppl can read, some ppl can't. If you would have been in the channel, you would have seen all the announcements. So either you have not been in the channel or you were not able to read what was written there, your choice .
BTW: did you eve build a structure? Ever checked what it costs to operate it? I do not ask Moac to provide a free service to me, and who ever does might approach some bigger group. Maybe Pandemic will in the future? Oh, not that I would believe in this, but ..... |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2017.05.01 01:57:02 -
[92] - Quote
Tim Gemulus wrote:People that support Planet V. You are being lied to!
Sindri Oksaras? Is that you? Monitoring perimeter dscan with macro, well played ph. |
Jeronica
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
447
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Posted - 2017.05.02 16:51:29 -
[93] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:CoachFeratu wrote:Edit, nvm just checked and I'm seeing it too, and I checked on alts, this is crap, these guys are just are doing exactly what they claim to be trying to stop We have been experiencing a number of pandemic horde alts spamming our channels, although if you are genuine would you be able to post screenshots of the increased broker fee? We have not actually put it back to 0.1% in Ashab yet, and also it is still only 20 million ISK to receive the 0% broker fee for life. As much as I would like to, I unfortunately cannot run the operation at 0% permanently as it does cost a lot to maintain it with having to replace the lost hubs. Also bear in mind, our enemies have stated that they plan on charging 0.5% and above, and it is only because of our dedicated team investing a lot of their personal ISK and time into the Planet V Trade operation that we have managed to stop them. It still never ceases to amaze me the benevolence of the people I have met during this journey. Also it is worth mentioning; in the opening post it is stated that we will never increase the public broker fee above 0.1%, and the 0.0% supporters rate will always remain at 0.0% for life. Our core principles have and never will change. The 0.0% public rate has always been clearly advertised as a temporary rate in both the MOTD and in this thread, although I fully expect that the enemies of Free Trade will try to spin this.
Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.
I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!
EVE-MOGUL.COM
Trade Profit Tracking&Analytics
Offering Sotiyo Services In
New Caldari | Ashab
IPOs & Investments
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Jarr Kaleb
22
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:55:24 -
[94] - Quote
Jeronica wrote:Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.
I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time! Gobbins also dreams about trillions off the citadels markets. You two together make a good pair.
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Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
1
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:31:42 -
[95] - Quote
Getting through all the PH leaflets, I am pleased to cover any active brokers with the 20 Million ISK entry so we can start trading again without any further drama or sweat. I have toggled notifications. :)
OP stipulates that the 0.1% fee is opt-out ( thanks to heavy third party support ) and said fee can make the difference on day trading's first hour. But if you are new to Trade, or like I, have only just finished training some of the intermediate marketing skills, every additional opportunity to realize savings on the market is appreciated and timely.
Because I am only in game during my timezone, please ping on this thread with any questions and look forward to joining you all in the in-game chat channel. o7 |
Mision Realizado
PAX LAGEND
1
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Posted - 2017.05.02 23:36:59 -
[96] - Quote
Jeronica wrote:
Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.
I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time!
I was just reviewing the Perimeter 'secured' info tab, and am grateful that our rivals allow docking and trading for a competitive rate. We can co-exist, Jeronica, as long as both sides treat market hubs as patient ISK fountains, not pump up fees as the POCOs adjacent would dictate. |
Jarr Kaleb
24
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Posted - 2017.05.03 05:50:15 -
[97] - Quote
It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.
In case you aren't familiar with the markets in Sinq Laison -
There are local thugs\extortionists - DevilBear that claim to represent all the markets in Sinq Laison (Dodixie hub region). DevilBear thugs are forcing traders to use 'right' hubs, and sending threats if traders are using 'wrong' hubs.
Recently, the thugs were sending these mails to all traders that were docked in Sinq Laison Planet V Trade Hub. To see if IChooseYou traders are also getting the same threatment I docked my alts in ICY hub for a couple of days... and as expected I didn't get any threats\emails.
DevilBear thugs seem to ignore IChooseYou hub, targeting only traders that are docked in Planet V Trade hub. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
812
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Posted - 2017.05.03 11:00:56 -
[98] - Quote
Mision Realizado wrote:Getting through all the PH leaflets, I am pleased to cover any active brokers with the 20 Million ISK entry so we can start trading again without any further drama or sweat. I have toggled notifications. :)
OP stipulates that the 0.1% fee is opt-out ( thanks to heavy third party support ) and said fee can make the difference on day trading's first hour. But if you are new to Trade, or like I, have only just finished training some of the intermediate marketing skills, every additional opportunity to realize savings on the market is appreciated and timely.
Because I am only in game during my timezone, please ping on this thread with any questions and look forward to joining you all in the in-game chat channel. o7 Also worth mentioning, if we replace a market hub then it will always be listed at flat 0% broker fee for at least a full seven days to allow people to relist their orders at no charge. |
Jeronica
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
450
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:09:25 -
[99] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:Jeronica wrote:Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.
I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time! Gobbins also dreams about trillions off the citadels markets. You two together make a good pair.
To the sky we gooooooooooo!!
EVE-MOGUL.COM
Trade Profit Tracking&Analytics
Offering Sotiyo Services In
New Caldari | Ashab
IPOs & Investments
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
99
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:22:03 -
[100] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.
Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.
In any event, thanks for the free advertisement! Everyone, feel free to use my dodixie hub! It is at 0.0%, as are all my non-perimeter hubs.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
812
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:50:59 -
[101] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb wrote:It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.
Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative. In any event, thanks for the free advertisement. Everyone, feel free to use my dodixie hub! It is at 0.0%, as are all my non-perimeter hubs. Whatever conclusions people may have reached, the fact is that you are paying Pandemic Horde to destroy all the low tax market hubs around high sec, presumably so that you and gobbins can increase the broker fees once the competition is gone.
If you were actually looking to provide a good service to traders, then why would you feel the need to try and destroy the competition by force. |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
99
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Posted - 2017.05.03 15:10:32 -
[102] - Quote
We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is to make explosions. Planet V are good at anchoring stuff that goes boom. Pandemic Horde is good at making it go boom. That's the story.
You seem to suggest that you are different from me, but your post history above shows how you are so much worse. You are blatantly and without shame manipulating people to try to anchor onto you so that you can extort them later.
Planet V advertised free trades for everyone for ever. How long did that last? Not very long, obviously - certainly not for ever. Then you started charging 20mil per person, and then 100mil per person, and now 0.1%. Hell of a trend that you have going.
If anything, I strongly believe that, if Horde weren't here, you and Karin would be charging 1% as were the guys in dodixie.
Maybe I should come back to Ashab to force you down to 0.0%. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Jarr Kaleb
26
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:23:17 -
[103] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative. I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA
You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison.
In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is.
IChooseYou wrote:Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should. You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side.
+1? No, don't bother. |
Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:24:18 -
[104] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:We are playing an internet spaceship game where the goal is to make explosions. Planet V are good at anchoring stuff that goes boom. Pandemic Horde is good at making it go boom. That's the story.
You seem to suggest that you are different from me, but your post history above shows how you are so much worse. You are blatantly and without shame manipulating people to try to anchor onto you so that you can extort them later.
Planet V advertised free trades for everyone for ever. How long did that last? Not very long, obviously - certainly not for ever. Then you started charging 20mil per person, and then 100mil per person, and now 0.1%. Hell of a trend that you have going.
If anything, I strongly believe that, if Horde weren't here, you and Karin would be charging 1% as were the guys in dodixie.
Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should.
Hehe,obviously you know the story that Karin promised to offer 0% forever, not Moac, and Moac don't have to offer 0% service at all from beginning, because of the word of someone else. And the truth is that not a penny entered to Karin's wallet ever since the word is made, and will never in the future. You like kissing Gobbin's ass, that's your choice. But not everyone will. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
812
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:25:10 -
[105] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative.
I am simply stating facts, and now you are jumping to conclusions. I haven't changed any of our core principles listed in the OP since starting this venture and will never do so.
It is natural for you and Gobbins to hate us, the reason for our existence is to fight against the extortion techniques which you and Pandemic Horde rely upon for your success. |
Donna Dolore
Delirium Trigger Industries
7
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:28:26 -
[106] - Quote
I've said it before , and ill say again, i dont care about 0%. Give me a safe, reliable place to trade, and I'm down with that. I make enough that 1% or whatever % won't matter to me. Most, if not all traders would agree with me.... I just so happened to support planet v.... if i feel im being treated unfairly in the future, ill take my billions elsewhere.... good day!!!!! |
John Selth
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:34:43 -
[107] - Quote
Man, with all this low tier citadel drama it's no wonder people go to stable taxes citadels instead of 0% havens. What sensible trader will want to get caught up in all of this nonsense and have to deal with constant offlining and moving structures? |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
100
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:35:07 -
[108] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:IChooseYou wrote:Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative. I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison. In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is. IChooseYou wrote:Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should. You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side. +1? No, don't bother.
You are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the name of a citadel and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the name of the citadel to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. It is you that should not be trusted.
Karin, at least you admit that Planet V promised 0.0% for ever. The promises made by Planet V should follow Planet V wherever it goes, right? What is next, Moac using an alt to start breaking all empty the promises he is already starting to break?
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:43:13 -
[109] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote: The promises made by Planet V should follow Planet V wherever it goes, right?
Really? I still remember the time you stole the name/named your citadel as Planet V, and now you changed your name, so you don't keep the promise made by Planet V, correct? Next time you name your citadel BS's hub and you don't need to keep your word too, correct? |
Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
9
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:44:08 -
[110] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:IChooseYou wrote:Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative. I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison. In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is. IChooseYou wrote:Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should. You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side. +1? No, don't bother. ___ ps\ Other Pandemic Horde backed hubs are also using '0.1% is 0%' tricks - http://imgur.com/8twHNqF
IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them. |
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Jarr Kaleb
28
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:51:49 -
[111] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the name of a citadel and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the name of the citadel to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful. Yes, I'm sitting 23\7 in Perimeter watching stupid Structure Browser so I can take a screenshot at the right time.
___
You used '0.1% is 0%' for days. And not once.
You are a liar!
A couple of months ago you were a little bit more honest - http://imgur.com/a/cap6P You called this '0.1% is 0%' trick - 'rounding the number'. But when people were like 'wtf' you hastily edited your messages.
Good job, IChooseYou, you forced me to waste my time on finding your messages on Reddit.
I like this one too - http://imgur.com/E005vNX |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
100
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:56:16 -
[112] - Quote
Obsidian Blacke wrote: IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them.
Never!
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Jarr Kaleb
29
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Posted - 2017.05.03 22:45:14 -
[113] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility. Let's talk more about lies and credibility!
IChooseYou, when you switched to 0.1% public fees in Perimeter, probag asked you about 0% for him, but you said that it would be unfair for everyone else - http://imgur.com/f0XpCUF
Tell us more please about fairness. Do you think it is fair if some of your traders have permanent 0% at your hub while the rest trade paying 0.1% fee with no hope to get 0%? The most noticeable chosen one is the guy who operates in PLEX market. He admitted that you gave him permanent 0% in your Perimeter hub. So, because of him having no broker fees he can easily pull stuff like that -
http://imgur.com/2QIIjJE http://imgur.com/a/CnjYH http://imgur.com/a/HiM2r
He stays competitive with Planet V PLEX traders, but he squeezes margins from every other PLEX trader in your hub, who aren't big enough for you to give them 0%. Because of that you lost all other PLEX traders recently.
IChooseYou, on public you're talking about fairness, but behind people's backs you are doing shady business.Tell us more please about credibility. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
148
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:48:31 -
[114] - Quote
Can you two just admit you like each other and go steady instead of all this pretending that you hate each other? |
Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
10
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Posted - 2017.05.04 03:29:08 -
[115] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote: IChooseYou also occasionally jacks up their tax rate for very short periods of times. I've seen it as high as 4.5%. That's when I started preferring Planet V Trade. I haven't had that problem with them.
Never! Edit: It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility.
Sorry IChooseYou, but calling people liars doesn't help your cause. It happened and frankly, I think my credibility on this matter trumps yours.
I had no horse in this race, only an interest in dealing with a reputable citadel that offered me a low tax alternative to Jita so I could place my buy orders. When I saw your temporary tax hike, that was the end of my dealing with yours. I don't appreciate people who try to scam me. |
leocaldari
leo's Corp
2
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Posted - 2017.05.08 12:02:33 -
[116] - Quote
it's time to write some comments here
I will start with this information:
Conversation with IChooseYou
This info is coming from this thread:
PSA: Loophole allows citadels in empire to be unkillable
IChooseYou = Gobbins = PH = PL
Based on my history from Nullsec I dislike PL and PH
So any support in these allies(people) is a no go for me
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leocaldari
leo's Corp
4
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Posted - 2017.05.08 14:46:43 -
[117] - Quote
next part:
the true story about unanchor the Backup Hub in Maurasi
The current Planet V trade HUB in Maurasi had following vulnerability windows:
Friday 17 to 20 Saturday 10 to 16 Sunday 17 to 20
if PH would attack trade HUB on Friday the HUB will run into armor on Saturday structures in armor cannot run any services so we had the problem not to have any running hub after Saturday 20
for this problem we installed a backup hub
PH didn't attack the HUB Friday and Saturday So we did not need any backup hub anymore
We started to unanchor the hub after Saturday vulnerability windows
unanchoring a hub you have to use the command "Decommission" this is not an exploit this is normal game mechanics
It seems to be that Gobbins don't know exactly the game mechanics about Citadels and Wars in High Sec
Gobbins please visit eve university or CCP official documents about Citadels and Wars before you starting a campaign against me that I'm using an exploit.
regards leo
PS: I know it is hard for a SMALL ally like PH that ONE person can prevent the control of markets in a region |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
813
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Posted - 2017.05.09 00:42:54 -
[118] - Quote
Gobbins and his incessant complaining to CCP knows no bounds. One would have thought that he would feel some shame in again having to beg CCP to change the mechanics which the 'highsec newbs' are using to outplay and run rings around him.
He has even resorted to bombarding CCP support with potentially thousands of requests, and so if you are unlucky enough to have a petition which remains unanswered for weeks then we know who to thank.
Support Planet V Trade for a fair, honest, and professional market service, and help put a stop to his nonsense. |
Jarr Kaleb
30
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Posted - 2017.05.09 01:34:34 -
[119] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:He has even resorted to bombarding CCP support with potentially thousands of requests... I like this part - 'against Pandemic Horde to prevent us from dominating the Perimeter market'
As I said on Reddit, Horde leaders are unusually honest. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1914
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Posted - 2017.05.09 02:47:54 -
[120] - Quote
=ē+ anyone?
this is better than kugu used to be in the old days. please keep throwing **** at each other, it's highly entertaining for an outsider.
but at the same time, go back to hiring every highsec merc possible. that's the only way this can get any more entertaining
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Jarr Kaleb
35
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Posted - 2017.05.09 03:12:28 -
[121] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:go back to hiring every highsec merc possible Most of mercs are either blue to Pandemic Horde (eg. MC, VMG) or can't do anything besides gate camping. |
Sparky Udan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2017.05.10 05:01:27 -
[122] - Quote
Thanks for AllSale Final for giving me this link. I will be providing support for Planet V hubs. All my PI will be sold via these hubs in the future. |
Jarr Kaleb
35
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Posted - 2017.05.14 07:03:41 -
[123] - Quote
Fair game?
Our competitor IChooseYou, who is backed by Pandemic Horde, continues to use dirty methods aimed at traders who are using other hubs. IChooseYou began to block traders from his public hubs, thus impeding them on their daily trading. In case some of you don't know, you can't see any sell orders issued in the hub if you're blocked.
The funny thing is that a couple of months ago IChooseYou created a thread on reddit because he was very concerned about fair game - Should one rich individual be able to control who can and canGÇÖt view public market orders?
Today, IChooseYou is exactly that one rich individual who decides who can and can't view public orders in his hub, despite all of his talk on reddit. Even worse, today he blocks traders who support other market hubs, which is much worse in my opinion than to simply block a competing hub owner.
___
ps. This is not the only dirty method IChooseYou and Pandemic Horde are using in their quest to dominate Perimeter markets. Some of these tricks I already mentioned in this thread, including sending emails with threats to traders.
Support Planet V Trade! Planet V do not block any traders just because he\she is trading or supporting another hub. |
leocaldari
leo's Corp
9
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Posted - 2017.05.14 11:37:21 -
[124] - Quote
Again he blocked me too.
additional I gave him 250mio for month May to have 0.0% broker fee.
But what do I expect from ICY? Nothing because he is a non-trusted person in this game.
additional he really doesn't understand anything about market mechanics.
Citadels are only important for BUY orders NOT for Sell orders. BUY orders don't work on other Citadels. BUY orders are visible from any station. and I always have another Citadel to set BUY orders. So complete nonsense what he is doing.
Just an additional sign for his madness to take over the Jita market. LOL.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3717
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Posted - 2017.05.14 12:10:09 -
[125] - Quote
... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
5972
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Posted - 2017.05.14 13:52:47 -
[126] - Quote
I'm loving reading all this drama.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
103
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Posted - 2017.05.14 14:48:52 -
[127] - Quote
The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small.
One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Jarr Kaleb
35
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Posted - 2017.05.14 16:10:09 -
[128] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Well, if by 'what I am doing is working' you mean losing traders, then go ahead.
IChooseYou wrote:One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. You sure you aren't talking about yourself? Tell us, who was docked in Planet V trade hubs last weeks convoing traders, offering them '0% for 250m' deals, which leo mentioned in his post above? Was it Jarr, lol?
I'm sure, Moac was aware of you doing this little business in Planet V hubs since the very first day. I find it strange, but he did not block you. I think, it clearly shows the difference between Planet V and you. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1916
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Posted - 2017.05.14 17:00:18 -
[129] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:... at least he seems to own the Skill Injector market on the sell side and PLEX is a draw. But anyway, blocking potential sellers and a few unwelcome buyer chars does not make much sense economically. Hoping those blocked will beg and pay for access again, sounds desperate. Also PH's trade hub seems to be still open for all, and takes the same fee.
i wonder if it's now the longest living fort in perimeter.
btw: security is one of the most important factors when economic thinking goes long-term.
another one is stability. constant policy changes are annoying.
i wonder if the dramaqueens in here are aware of that |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3719
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Posted - 2017.05.14 17:05:28 -
[130] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Only the "high-ranking" and high-end supporters of planet v and their alts are blocked. The list is really small. Thanks for honoring me as as "high-ranking" and high-end supporter of Planet V. This made my day.
IChooseYou wrote: One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
... proofs the point, that people tend to assume what they are doing is right and others would do the same. The only person spamming ads were you in the Planet V channels.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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leocaldari
leo's Corp
12
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:51:59 -
[131] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote: One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. Almost everyone complained.
Again a lie. I never talked to anybody about anything
So what kind of reason do you have to block me?
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
819
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:52:52 -
[132] - Quote
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I'm loving reading all this drama. I think whatever side one takes in this conflict, no one can argue that it is providing good content and some heated debate. I'm enjoying each moment of it also (especially Gobbins' reddit posts), it has been worth every ISK.
Also some extra competition in the markets is good for everyone whatever your perspective. Even the hordlings will thank us eventually. |
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.17 12:38:11 -
[133] - Quote
I do not play eve for a long time and am a sub- char for a single person corp.
The experience and knowledge with JITA and DODIXIE so far are very clear: If you come to close to the BIG money, you will be intimidated and wardecced! If you trade in the wrong citadel, you will be intimidated and wardecced! Those who do the intimidation and wardeccing are not the real ones behind the big play, but add one and one together........ Those who do not want a particular Cital Owner to succeed will not only shoot as many times their Hubs down, they will make it for traders in-secure, as one Trader mentioned it - Stability is what is most important to most. UNLESS - You do not give a damn and know howto get your stuff out or wait a few days if all fails!
Now as to the most important in this War on Citadels - Which one do you trust? Even though the results of the true nature of each party will only show in the longrun and indicators for "Truth and Honesty" are visible, PLANET V wins my trust for the main reason of trust and the guts to tackle a BIG ISSUE and in recognising the WAR of the future.
The Future of Eve is also being fought in Trade!
Take your precautions and be safe. o/
PS: Moac - Thanks for doing this o/. What happened to SINQ LIASON's Citadel? We feel forgotten ;-)
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
23
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Posted - 2017.05.17 18:03:25 -
[134] - Quote
Also the undock for the IChooseyou station in Perimeter is terrible...which by itself, is enough to discourage people from using it. :p |
dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.19 10:51:36 -
[135] - Quote
As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
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Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:17:43 -
[136] - Quote
dito Elladin wrote:As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
Here is the screenshot. Apparently MOTD has delays too.
IChooseYou, if you're going to reply, just copy\paste this -
IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the MOTD and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the MOTD to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.
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Btw, it seems Pandemic Mafia is going into industrialists extortion also - https://zkillboard.com/kill/62372114/ I think, soon Pandemic Horde will succefully replace VMG. |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
105
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:40:18 -
[137] - Quote
dito Elladin wrote:As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
No lies here. I updated the tax yesterday and forgot to updated the chat MOTD. Fixed now. My apologies.
Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.
Also, I'd note that about six months ago, my dodixie hub was at 0.2%. Then Planet V (under its old ownership) paid VMG 40bil to have three of my hubs killed, including the dodixie one. Immediately after that, taxes shot up to 1% and have stayed there since. You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. It is still too soon to see whether the turnover of goods in dodixie is profitable though.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:11:58 -
[138] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:
No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense? If you want to lie, at least make your lies somewhat reasonable. And the rate isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. |
IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
105
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:38:10 -
[139] - Quote
Karin Yang wrote:IChooseYou wrote: No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'. And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%.
My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens).
My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Karin Yang
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:51:25 -
[140] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Karin Yang wrote:IChooseYou wrote: No lies here.
You mean the old owner, Karin, paid 40bil money to remove your citadel in gallente space, without even anchoring a single one planet V's own citadel there? Does that really make sense to you? If you want to lie, please make your lies look somewhat 'reasonable'. And the rate in G space isn't under cutted because of you. It's the new Planet V citadels under cut it to 0% from 1%. My understanding is that you wanted me out of the picture, but didn't really care about any hubs other than jita. So you hired VMG and planned to give ashab, dodi and hek to others (don't know about rens). My sources include the mercs you hired and the person that you asked to take over hek from me (he became a friend of mine). If my facts are wrong, I am happy for you to prove it with something tangible.
Then you're totally wrong. And I am pretty sure 'your sources' are lies too. I did suggested lucia that M space is a good space, but not to take you out. 40bil to take you out of the picture? Nah, you don't worth that. |
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Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:19:13 -
[141] - Quote
IChooseYou wrote:Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.
IChooseYou wrote:You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. You didn't bothered with Sinq Laison when there were no Planet V Trade hubs. You came to Dodixie only after you saw PVT there. You quickly put your own 0% hub, then pinged Horde to come to bash our 0% hub. After they succeded, you raised taxes to 0.4% and now you are telling us how much you wanted to offer Sinq Laison traders a cheaper alternative...
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dito Elladin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:16:44 -
[142] - Quote
Once again Transparency is where my trust goes!
Knowing how you can actually charge people differently, so basically you can set % of tax per char and corp in your stations. Means that most will pay a higher price as soon as they have more control in a certain area and the ones with the bigger interest and CONTROL have always 0% tax in any of their stations, while you and I will be charged more.
Make no mistake here: Those who have 0% will control the market and those who control the Citadels are the Market. Yes, there is JITA and DODIXIE etc., but those who can buy the cheapest will sooner or later control the PRICE! You will still pay those owners taxes and they will beat you in price (WIN LOSE), UNLESS: We have a equal playground 0% that is, for ALL! |
Twista Cohagen
I really don't like taxes
0
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:48:23 -
[143] - Quote
I just have one question to the citadel owners, who is controlling the character "ZWERT".
I know that char is operating from ichooseyous citadel mostly and is in like 95% in control of PLEX, Extractor and injector market.
I have been observing for a long period now and know that that char is 24/7 online. During 24 hours of the day this char isn't inactive for even 5 minutes. It must be a shared character. I just wonder who it belongs to. This char has been in control of said markets for months now. This char is also one if not the main reason PLEX price went up.
Right now this characters keeps most of the time extractor and injector prices on no profit compared to current plex price, but i know it is making huge profits on times when there is absolutely no competition. Further the character is making huge profit on the no profit orders anyway since it bought at least over 6k PLEX before small plex got introduced.
I just wonder if it belongs to someone from here or not. |
Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:36:02 -
[144] - Quote
Twista Cohagen wrote:I just have one question to the citadel owners, who is controlling the character "ZWERT". ZWERT is a russian speaking trader to whom IChooseYou personally gave 0% at his hub (dude even boasted about it in local). He has no relation to Planet V afaik. I was talking about him earlier in this my post. |
Twista Cohagen
I really don't like taxes
0
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Posted - 2017.05.22 17:04:21 -
[145] - Quote
Jarr Kaleb wrote:ZWERT is a russian speaking trader to whom IChooseYou personally gave 0% at his hub (dude even boasted about it in local). I was talking about him earlier in this my post. He has no relation to Planet V afaik.
I see very interesting. I wonder why this whole market is just given to ZWERT. The profits involved into this are much higher than monthly profits of a 0.1% citadel in jita would be. The profits i guess he is making are around 20-30 billion a day if not more. I had a glimpse of it a few days ago when zwert wasn't active for around 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes i made 1,5 billion profit. |
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc Rate My Ticks
20
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Posted - 2017.05.27 03:22:48 -
[146] - Quote
Russian mob money laundering via plex market control and rmt? I mean... it is eve afterall |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
819
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Posted - 2017.05.29 01:07:22 -
[147] - Quote
Greetings friends,
It has been a while since the last update, and so a couple of new developments for the Planet V Trade operation.
Remote Trading
CCP has now added the ability for traders to place buy orders remotely in a structure. This means that many traders who would normally operate solely in the NPC market hubs are now placing their buy orders remotely in offshore market hubs.
What this means for the Planet V Trade operation is that the location of our physical market hub is less important than it was previously. And so we are modifying our strategy to take advantage of the increased flexibility it offers to make it more difficult for our enemies.
Rather than being fixed in a particular system, we will keep the trade hub active in one of the systems within a one jump radius of the NPC market hub.
Broker Fees
In order to dissuade traders from using the Ichooseyou hub we have been running many of our trade hubs at a flat 0% public rate. Although this has been effective in reducing income for Pandemic Horde, Ichooseyou is still making significant sums of ISK in Perimeter, and has recently expanded his operation against our hubs in Ashab, Hek, and Dodixie.
In light of this, the benefit of running the hubs at a 0% public rate is outweighed by the extra investment we would gain by having a 0.1% public rate. This investment can then be used to replace hubs and expand the operation.
As a result, we will be reverting our rates back to the original fee model, offering the 0.0% supporters rate for life, and a 0.1% public rate.
Additionally, when a replacement hub is launched, to ensure a smooth transition between hubs we will operate a temporary 0.0% public rate for a duration of at least 48 hours of the new hub being active. This is to ensure those who are not on the 0.0% trader list can freely relist their orders at the new market hub.
Market Hubs
As mentioned above, Ichooseyou and Pandemic Horde have now extended their attack into Dodixie and Hek.
The hub in Dodixie was being run by one of our investors, who unfortunately has now decided they cannot sustain the market hub there due to the cost involved. This is an important location, and with not having a Planet V Trade hub there, Ichooseyou has raised his broker fee to 0.4%.
We will look to re-establish the Planet V Trade hub in Dodixie. Further details of this will be posted in this thread when we are able to.
The hub in Hek saw very little in terms of trade volume. With Ichoosyou and Pandemic Horde extending their campaign to Hek, the cost of keeping the hub in Hek running would be significant, and with such little usage, we have decided the ISK could be better invested in sustaining Jita, Amarr, and Dodixie.
Mailing List
Although currently not in use, we do have a GÇÿPlanet V TradeGÇÖ mailing list. We would like to start using this as another communication channel, to keep those who are interested updated regularly as to our status.
In future when a market hub is reinforced, alongside updating the MOTD on the GÇÿPlanet V TradeGÇÖ chat channel, we will also send a notification through the mailing list with details of where to find the replacement hub.
To receive updates, ensure you are signed up to the mailing list GÇÿPlanet V Trade.
Defence Operations
After receiving many offers of combat help from those who do not wish to see Pandemic Horde succeed with their war on high sec, we are going to open up our defence operations to those who are willing to assist.
For those who are interested, you will need to join our defence corporation GÇÿCitadel DefendersGÇÖ. And to avoid Pandemic Horde spys, we are going to have to set a minimum skill limit, and request limited API information to confirm this. I will post the requirements shortly for those who are interested in joining in.
With our combined efforts, we can ensure that this continued attack on free trade in high sec is punishing for our opponents. Please mail me if you are able to offer your assistance. |
Amarr King Pin
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.05.29 02:45:04 -
[148] - Quote
Planet V promised free trades for ever. Why are you charging the same as Pandemic Legion? |
Jarr Kaleb
38
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Posted - 2017.05.29 11:03:58 -
[149] - Quote
Moac was invited as an FC for Karin's Citadel Defenders corporation. Here is the screenshot from the time when Karin was running Planet V, dumbo.
The screenshot you linked is made after Moac took over Planet V. It just states who today have control over old RMT channel and can ban Horde\IChooseYou alts.
By the way, the RMT channel is not used anymore. Planet V has new igame channel - Planet V Trade.
Amarr King Pin wrote:How do you explain this? Moac shouldn't explain anything to yet another newly created Pandemic Horde alt. |
Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
820
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Posted - 2017.05.29 12:00:15 -
[150] - Quote
All the information regarding the Planet V Trade operation is linked in the opening post, and has not been, and will not change.
Your question was posed on the first page of this thread by another alt who is now in Doomheim. I'll relink the answer here.
Moac Tor wrote:We are actually the successor to the original GÖö Planet V Market Hub which you linked, although we still offer a permanent 0.0% rate for supporters of the GÖö Planet V Trade Hubs as mentioned in the opening post. We want to be transparent regarding our fees, and by charging a minimal 0.01% public broker it will help maintain our operation in the long term without the need to constantly modify our fee unlike our competitors. Most traders will still be trading at the 0.0% rate though. |
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Krota Merga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.05.30 15:29:42 -
[151] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Greetings friends,
Remote Trading
CCP has now added the ability for traders to place buy orders remotely in a structure.
Ah? Since when remote buy to stucture is working? |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3738
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Posted - 2017.05.30 20:27:51 -
[152] - Quote
Krota Merga wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Greetings friends,
Remote Trading
CCP has now added the ability for traders to place buy orders remotely in a structure.
Ah? Since when remote buy to stucture is working? A couple of months, don't remember the exact patch.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sarah Janto
Jerrys Junkyard
0
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:12:34 -
[153] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:]
We aim to have a market hub active within one jump range of the major market hubs located in the The Forge, Domain, Sinq Laison, and Metropolis.
We have a significant amount of capital to invest in order to ensure we are able to continuously replace any market hub which is lost, and all assets can be securely transferred via tether to tether citadel docking mechanics. For those that are able to wait for 5 days you are able to use asset safety to instantly transfer your assets to the new market hub.
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Just wondering about the new hub in Itamo?
Is that you guys? |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3763
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Posted - 2017.06.12 20:25:40 -
[154] - Quote
Itamo is Planet V ... apparently PH is now patrolling all 1j systems 24/7.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
821
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Posted - 2017.08.02 23:38:16 -
[155] - Quote
Thank you for the excellent discussion in this thread, and for the support we continue to receive.
It has now been 5 months since we began this thread and officially announced the next stage in the development of the Planet V Trade market hubs. We still continue to resist the extortionists who wish to profit from traders, and we are still here to ensure that there is a free trade option available to all traders of New Eden.
We are now moving this thread to the new forums, the new thread can be found here. |
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