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Grand Moff Tarkin1
Half Moon Mining
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Posted - 2017.03.08 20:56:26 -
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Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1340
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Posted - 2017.03.08 21:09:42 -
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NO! As a miner HELL NO!! Broken rorquals are bad enough for mining but alpha barges is unacceptable.
Now another mining ship perhaps for alphas but my question to you is game play vs safety vs isk making and the ability to bot and afk. Where would the gain be? What risks would you build into the system inherently?
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
873
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Posted - 2017.03.08 23:21:17 -
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With mining 4 you can fit T2 mining lasers. Mining upgrades 4 lets you fit a T2 Mining laser upgrade and Mining frigate 4 gives you most of the hull bonus.
A maximum skill Alpha Venture really isn't that far behind a minimum skill Procurer. Factor in the speed with which the frigate can unload and you're probably close to 2/3 the yield.
Focus on an ore like Plagioclase that contains a decent amount of Mexallon and you can make a living Venture mining. Buy orders for compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISK in Jita.
If you want more - subscribe. If you enjoy the game it should be worth 28 cents a day to have full access using the upgrade promotion https://secure.eveonline.com/upgrade/
Add some passive income activities like PI and you'll probably be in a position to PLEX the account before the subscription is up for renewal. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47244
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Posted - 2017.03.08 23:45:34 -
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No.
Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more.
I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe. |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1264
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Posted - 2017.03.08 23:56:57 -
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The price of the ship is based on the materials that go in to it plus whatever mark-up the market will bear. There is a way to get to use a mining barge with a huge price mark-up. You go buy a PLEX roughly 1 billion isk each month.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1497
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Posted - 2017.03.09 00:47:28 -
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Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) I don't agree, but still I'd like to ask you two questions: Do you have any arguments to back your claim? Why the procurer? Why not the Retriever or the Covetor?
Remove standings and insurance.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1343
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Posted - 2017.03.09 00:49:23 -
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You know... on second thought I think the OP has a good idea....
We need a gold procurer. It can be bought for the price of a single plex, every month and it will be shiney golden in color. If you dont pay for it every month it wont be gold and its just a deal for alphas.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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hmu-smh
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2017.03.09 01:27:29 -
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Calm down, miner.. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3730
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Posted - 2017.03.09 07:35:21 -
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It should definitely be the Covertor
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
404
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Posted - 2017.03.09 08:43:41 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:No.
Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more.
I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe.
give a man an inch and he'll take a mile.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1345
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:40:28 -
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I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.
But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5968
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Posted - 2017.03.09 14:55:40 -
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Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:I like the Venture... And the Procurer can be yours for the low, low price of $9.95USD per month! Everybody wins!
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
101
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:37:21 -
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I am absolutely against giving alpha players access to more than they already can, but ESPECIALLY not mining barges! He abuse would begin immediately in hisec, good luck finding a backwater system that doesn't have 25 alpha clones stripping belts. |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
1185
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Posted - 2017.03.09 18:49:55 -
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Yeah, no barges for alphas. Sorry...
Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
624
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Posted - 2017.03.09 18:58:56 -
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Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)
No.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10549
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Posted - 2017.03.09 19:04:47 -
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I don't know...
One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.
One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.
But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.
Mr Epeen
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Cade Windstalker
1029
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Posted - 2017.03.09 20:04:24 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen
It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1625
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Posted - 2017.03.10 12:49:02 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals
Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Ijon-Tichy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.10 13:52:38 -
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Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)
Raise the price a LOT? A LOT is multiplying the price, so wie are talking about 30 to150 mio. ISK Procurers?
The point of the Procurer is that it has a good risk/profit ratio. If it was a LOT more expensive this would kill the ship's concept. There would be zero point in using a Procurer because it would go from "last ship to gank" to "first ship to gank". It is 75 times the price of a Venture already, make it 150+ times the price and everyone will tell you: "Don't use the Procurere, it is a trap."
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5985
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Posted - 2017.03.10 16:06:20 -
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I think we should remove the ability for Alphas to start threads on these forums. Better yet, read only.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
119
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Posted - 2017.03.10 17:06:21 -
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Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)
No |
Djsaeu
Xx-illuminati-xX
48
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Posted - 2017.03.10 21:05:46 -
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Go old school, before the Venture and barges, everyone used the Scythe, It makes a pretty good mining ship. You should give it a try. |
Cade Windstalker
1062
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Posted - 2017.03.10 22:15:53 -
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Elenahina wrote:Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.
Except there's no easy way to actually run 10 alphas on the same computer. You can do VMs, if you're really smart and careful, but a computer that can run 20 Eve Clients will run a quarter or less of that in VM'd Eve clients, and that's really not worth it.
According to the first graph on the latest MER Ore value mined is up almost 1 Trillion ISK per day since the launch of both the new Rorqual and Alpha Clones. Considering what a Venture mines in comparison to a Hulk belts would literally have to be swarmed with Ventures for Alphas to be making up any appreciable fraction of that influx. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59922
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Posted - 2017.03.11 04:53:22 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.
But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy. Gotta say I kinda like this idea.
CCP, make it so.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
175
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Posted - 2017.03.11 11:44:38 -
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Elenahina wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.
Having venture mined. No. It's really not a mix. Venture is pretty much trash. With max skills you make 500-600k in 12-13minutes or so for a full 5k load. It's nothing special. |
Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2017.03.12 22:55:40 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.
But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy. I like it +1. I wondered a while back why a deep core mining laser couldn't do moon mining or pi mining.
I would say that p0 stuff could be abstained like that if your planet is needing something else to make p3 or p4. One load of a venture is half a p1 so it's not really worth it unless you need a little something extra.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1247
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Posted - 2017.03.13 08:38:03 -
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Do Little wrote:Focus on an ore like PlagioclaseC320 Fullerite Gas that contains a decent amount of Mexallon and you can make a livingmind blowing fortune Venture mining. Buy orders for compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISKC320 are at ISK45,000 in Jita.
FTFY.
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This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
148
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Posted - 2017.03.13 19:31:32 -
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Yes please? Can we have all the benefits from Omega's for Alpha's? So i can cancel my subscription? |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2017.03.14 00:29:57 -
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I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"?
I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2716
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Posted - 2017.03.14 03:11:36 -
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By Grabthar's Hammer, no!
If you want more from this game (and there is a lot more to be had) the solution is easy: subscribe
Alpha clones are essentially an unlimited trial so people can check out EvE without time pressure and decide if they want to subscribe to the game.
ugh
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