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CCP Edelweiss
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.03.09 16:31:59 -
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Hi everyone,
Team Genesis is adding a little feature to your Character Sheet that estimates how much your character is worth in the game. This Total Net Worth number is a sum of all the ISK you own and the estimated value of your assets, and it casts some light on your character progress in EVE. Here is a screenshot:
The tooltip provides a breakdown of the Total Net Worth in the following categories:
- Wallet Balance: ISK you own, as normally shown in the Wallet
- Combined Assets Estimated Value: Sum of the estimated market price for all items you own in the universe. We are including assets in stations and structures, items in space and items in outstanding sell orders and contracts. Corp-owned items are excluded.
- Contract Escrow: ISK in escrow in outstanding buy contracts issued by your character.
- Market Escrow: ISK in escrow in outstanding buy orders issued by your character.
The icons in the tooltip are actually buttons, each opening up its NEOCOM window - so you can use this tooltip as a navigator to browse through the different metrics of your financial status in the game.
We had initially planned to release a simpler version of this feature, intended for the March release next Tuesday. However, due to online enthusiasm, we collected a lot of feedback and decided to spend an extra bit of time developing this counter. In particular, many of you insisted on how useful it would be to include items in space in the assets calculation (your ship, items in your cargo, fitted modules, drones, etc.).
So, very soonGäó we will deliver an improved version of the Total Net Worth in a point release that will include items in space.
Cheers,
Team Genesis |
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The Scanner
Ganja Labs Exodus.
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Posted - 2017.03.09 17:49:21 -
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Legit shmit |
Dictateur Imperator
Ab origine fidelis Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2017.03.09 17:55:21 -
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Nice
Can we have the same for corporation asset ? |
Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.03.09 18:28:15 -
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Woo! \o/
Does this include Corp and/or Alliance level assets if the player is in a role that gives them access to such things? (Like, could I open up the Corp/Alliance management window and view a similar number there?)
If not that would be a great thing to add when that UI eventually gets nuked from orbit and something better rebuilt on the ashes.
Also, kind of an odd case, is LP in any way factored into the equation here? Kind of expecting the answer to be no, just because of how hard LP is to value as a player, let alone for a system like this.
EDIT: also, thread needs a sticky! |
mkint
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Posted - 2017.03.09 20:17:13 -
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CCP Edelweiss wrote:The icons in the tooltip are actually buttons, goddamnit.
This alone makes me wish this entire "feature" was just scrapped. It not only ruins something good, but ruins the all the UI surrounding it. It's the pee in the tub, the poop in the bed. Just flush it all away and start over. Whichever one of you proposed the idea is making the whole team, the whole company, all look like freakin' amateurs.
edit: while we're at it, can we shitcan the whole sensor overlay thing for the same reason? Just delete it, delete everything touching it. You don't want that crap on your hands.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2017.03.09 20:32:56 -
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mkint wrote:CCP Edelweiss wrote:The icons in the tooltip are actually buttons, This alone makes me wish this entire "feature" was just scrapped. It not only ruins something good, but ruins the all the UI surrounding it. Is your complaint that it's inconsistent UI design for some icons to be used as labels and identifiers, while others may also act as button controls? |
Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.03.09 21:14:47 -
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mkint wrote:CCP Edelweiss wrote:The icons in the tooltip are actually buttons, goddamnit. This alone makes me wish this entire "feature" was just scrapped. It not only ruins something good, but ruins the all the UI surrounding it. It's the pee in the tub, the poop in the bed. Just flush it all away and start over. Whichever one of you proposed the idea is making the whole team, the whole company, all look like freakin' amateurs. edit: while we're at it, can we shitcan the whole sensor overlay thing for the same reason? Just delete it, delete everything touching it. You don't want that crap on your hands.
While I agree the button-nature of those UI areas could be better signaled I don't think this requires this level of reaction.
I'm personally quite happy that there's a direct link here, rather than me going "wait, I have how much in what now?" and then have to hunt down wherever that information might be hiding elsewhere in the UI.
Rather than an extended metaphor for excrement do you have a suggestion for how these buttons could be implemented better? |
mkint
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Posted - 2017.03.09 21:29:48 -
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Buttons on tooltips make it so the tooltip doesn't go away easily even when you don't care what the tooltip says. In this case, every single time you open your skill queue, and then go to click the x to close the window, that tooltip is going to pop up blocking that x. It takes the single most common common thing in EVE (updating your skill queue) and makes it harder because of an obscure feature that nobody really requested to begin with, would probably get just as much use if it was API only, and where there have been API derived equivalents for as long as I've been playing. That one tooltip is the very definition of bad UI. The standard dev response "we made a terrible thing, but we made another terrible thing to make the other terrible thing less obvious" in this case taking the form of tooltip delays is... I don't even know what. Embarrassing? Amateurish? Depressing? Halfassed?
So, no. No buttons in tooltips, ever. If anything, put a ? icon next to the number that you can click on to show a full breakdown with associated links.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.03.10 03:53:47 -
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So, I actually got on Sisi to test the behavior and it doesn't seem to be working on there currently, am I missing something? As in, I'm not seeing the Total Net Worth counter at all on my character sheet. |
Demolishar
United Aggression Corpse Collectors Group
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Posted - 2017.03.10 10:33:01 -
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Is this total net worth going to be accessible via an API call? |
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Windsigh
Real Life Outpost Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2017.03.10 11:24:36 -
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I wonder if one will be able to see these numbers through API. Honestly I think these things should stay private. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.03.10 11:37:56 -
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But now I can see now much isk I have locked away in null stations |
SynthiaGreey
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.10 12:41:01 -
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Can we get the same "total value of assets in a window" when we run cargo and ship scanner ? |
Xenuria
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Posted - 2017.03.10 12:51:52 -
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Looks good.
CSM 12 Candidate
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.10 12:53:20 -
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Dictateur Imperator wrote:Nice
Can we have the same for corporation asset ?
This would be nice.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
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Posted - 2017.03.10 13:13:45 -
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Any possibility of adding a checkbox to make player networth visible on public character sheet.
inb4 that'll make even more players prone to loss aversion
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2017.03.10 13:59:31 -
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Nice
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Cat Evergreen
The Graduates The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:11:15 -
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mkint wrote:Buttons on tooltips make it so the tooltip doesn't go away easily even when you don't care what the tooltip says. In this case, every single time you open your skill queue, and then go to click the x to close the window, that tooltip is going to pop up blocking that x. It takes the single most common common thing in EVE (updating your skill queue) and makes it harder because of an obscure feature that nobody really requested to begin with, would probably get just as much use if it was API only, and where there have been API derived equivalents for as long as I've been playing. That one tooltip is the very definition of bad UI. The standard dev response "we made a terrible thing, but we made another terrible thing to make the other terrible thing less obvious" in this case taking the form of tooltip delays is... I don't even know what. Embarrassing? Amateurish? Depressing? Halfassed?
So, no. No buttons in tooltips, ever. If anything, put a ? icon next to the number that you can click on to show a full breakdown with associated links. A popup that would block essential parts of the character sheet (like the close button) would indeed be terrible. But from the screenshot it looks like you need to click the Question mark Icon to actually get this new pop up, making it unlikely to show up accidentially when you try to close the character sheet. |
Zen Tsai
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:18:58 -
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Cool.
But why not just put the assets value in the assets window? |
Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:19:41 -
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This is a pretty cool feature. It would be useful if it would also show corporation net worth!
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:22:46 -
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Thank you for your feedback! Please remember to stay constructive. If you think that something is bad, please point out exactly what and why you think that this might be a bad idea or could cause problems. The better your explanation, the easier it is for the developers to work on improvements.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
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seller1122
Perimeter Trade and Distribution Inc
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:33:56 -
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Looks good !!
Though some integration or expansion for corp / alliance assets would definitely be appreciated |
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:38:43 -
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Love this!
Would love to have the same for directors at a wallet division granularity. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2017.03.10 14:40:18 -
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It's too bad that there's no easy way to determine the value of researched BPOs or BPCs. Probably half my net value is in the research value of my BPO library, while the NPC value is rather meager.
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
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Posted - 2017.03.10 15:55:59 -
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Fantastic idea from r/Eve:
gospadinperoda wrote:It could also add up the ISK value of your skillpoints too. That way you know how many kidneys to trade for another hit. May encourage a couple people to buy extractors for AUR/ISK.
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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Not Orious
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2017.03.10 16:10:56 -
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Are there any plans to have filters for this feature? For example if I were interested in seeing the estimated worth of assets in Jita alone excluding blueprints and compressed ore. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
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Posted - 2017.03.10 16:23:40 -
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The smugposts are going to be REAL.
10/10, thanks CCP!
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Rogue Integer
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2017.03.10 17:46:20 -
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My industrialist with all the moneys will be sad since her solo corp wallet divisions won't count, nor the assets in corp hangars. Finding a way to include that stuff would be really nice. |
Racken Ormand
Something Something Darkside. Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2017.03.10 19:58:37 -
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Awsome!
I love this idea it is actually going to be my favorite part of the character sheet.
Don't listen to those crying or complaining for absolutely no reason. Just do eeet ! |
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy The Bastard Cartel
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Posted - 2017.03.10 20:18:07 -
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Very nice feature.
Now, what about plugged-in Implants value?
Would it be possible to also have these implant's estimated worth?
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