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Green Cobra
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.28 11:18:58 -
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Low sec is fine as is, it's a lot better now than it was a few years ago and you make more isk in low sec than high sec. As it is now it's right between high sec and null sec as it should be.
If you can't make a bil isk per day in low sec your are doing something wrong...
Either find a few nice quite low sec systems or join a larger NBSI low sec corp/alliance. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 11:41:05 -
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Green Cobra wrote:Low sec is fine as is, it's a lot better now than it was a few years ago and you make more isk in low sec than high sec. As it is now it's right between high sec and null sec as it should be. If you can't make a bil isk per day in low sec your are doing something wrong... Either find a few nice quite low sec systems or join a larger NBSI low sec corp/alliance.
I agree LS local content is fine. The local DEDs, anomalies, L5 missions, mineral/ice resources etc are fine. (Data/Relic are a bit weak, but that is an incentive to run them in NS)
The problem is JFs lol-cynoing past it between HS-NS. Secondarily, caps in LS, especially with cyno, are overkill, and strongly favor NS neighbors.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:32:03 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:...and strongly favoring NS neighbors. Lol wat?
Cynos in lowsec favours NS capitals? Do you even follow what happens in the game?
This should be good. Post your evidence of NS groups being favoured by their ability to jump capitals into LS. I bet for every LS group loss you can pull out, I can pull out at least 10 losses by NS groups instead.
LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:40:10 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
So why then are JFs cynoing nonstop over LS between NS-HS?
Your shilling is getting tiresome and all too obvious.
Bad move completely ignoring my previous post to you. That reddit-tier bullshit wont work here.
Your cover is blown.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 12:56:28 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. So why then are JFs cynoing nonstop over LS between NS-HS? Your shilling is getting tiresome and all too obvious. Use your brain. Troll better. You are way behind. Bad move completely ignoring my previous post to you. That reddit-tier bullshit doesnt fly here. Your cover is blown. Protip: JFs are caps. JFs are not Capitals.
But, post your evidence of this advantage that NS groups have over LS by being able to jump capitals into lowsec. I bet you can't because you don't know what you are talking about.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:04:05 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. So why then are JFs cynoing nonstop over LS between NS-HS? Your shilling is getting tiresome and all too obvious. Use your brain. Troll better. You are way behind. Bad move completely ignoring my previous post to you. That reddit-tier bullshit doesnt fly here. Your cover is blown. Protip: JFs are caps. JFs are not Capitals. But, post your evidence of this advantage that NS groups have over LS by being able to jump capitals into lowsec. I bet you can't because you don't know what you are talking about.
JFs are caps.
Are you seriously trying to claim LS can field more caps than NS? NS caps can drop on LS and even gate back out, whereas LS cap drops in NS must deal with bubbles for non-cyno exit.
Your entire premise is ridiculous.
You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself. And again you ignored the posts to you, shill.
This isnt reddit. You will be called to answer.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:08:40 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. So why then are JFs cynoing nonstop over LS between NS-HS? Your shilling is getting tiresome and all too obvious. Use your brain. Troll better. You are way behind. Bad move completely ignoring my previous post to you. That reddit-tier bullshit doesnt fly here. Your cover is blown. Protip: JFs are caps. JFs are not Capitals. But, post your evidence of this advantage that NS groups have over LS by being able to jump capitals into lowsec. I bet you can't because you don't know what you are talking about. JFs are caps. Are you seriously trying to claim LS can field more caps than NS? NS caps can drop on LS and even gate back out, whereas LS cap drops in NS must deal with bubbles for non-cyno exit. Your entire premise is ridiculous. Furthernore, none of this refutes the fact cynoing JFs are making a mockery of LS. You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself. And again you ignored the posts to you, shill. This isnt reddit. You will be called to answer. Post your evidence.
You made a claim. Prove it. Otherwise, it's like all your other arguments. Just made up in your head and no reflection of what happens in the game.
So put up or shut up.
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Salvos Rhoska
2583
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:11:04 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You made a claim.
No.
YOU made the claim that LS can field more caps and wreck NS drops. Not me. YOU.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Go ahead and substantiate that claim.
Im slowly transitioning from considering you a shill, to you actually being this stupid.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:20:25 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You made a claim. No. YOU made the claim that LS can field more caps and wreck NS drops. Not me. YOU. Once again, bullshit from the biggest bullshitter in the forum.
your claim is that NS has an advantage over LS.
Post #631: Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors.
Prove it. Otherwise, as usual, you are full of ****.
I've already said, that for every LS loss you can post cause by a NS group with capitals, I'll post 10 that are the other way. You simply can't prove what you say.
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Salvos Rhoska
2583
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:25:53 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You made a claim. No. YOU made the claim that LS can field more caps and wreck NS drops. Not me. YOU. Once again, bullshit from the biggest bullshitter in the forum. your claim is that NS has an advantage over LS. Post #631: Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors. Prove it. Otherwise, as usual, you are full of ****.
Caps are not required to clear LS local content. Cynos also are not necessary, due to lack of bubbles on gate transit.
NS has far more cap capacity, than LS. NS furthermore, can cyno into LS and gate back out. Whereas a LS cap fleet cynoing into NS must deal with bubbles to gate to LS.
Claim substantiated and answered.
Now its your turn to substantiate yours:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:33:41 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You made a claim. No. YOU made the claim that LS can field more caps and wreck NS drops. Not me. YOU. Once again, bullshit from the biggest bullshitter in the forum. your claim is that NS has an advantage over LS. Post #631: Secondary problem is caps in LS, especially with cyno, as overkill, and strongly favoring NS neighbors. Prove it. Otherwise, as usual, you are full of ****. Caps are not required to clear LS local content. Cynos also are not necessary, due to lack of bubbles on gate transit. NS has far more cap capacity, than LS. NS furthermore, can cyno into LS and gate back out. Whereas a LS cap fleet cynoing into NS must deal with bubbles to gate to LS. Claim substantiated and answered. You haven't substantiated with anything other than fiction.
Show us the kills Salvos. Put evidence, not opinion.
If what you claim is true, it'll be easy to substantiate. Otherwise, you are full of ****.
I already k ow which it is.
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Rotho Ataru
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:34:25 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Placing a rock in a river, does not stop the river. It simply flows around it. Content, like said river, will always take the path of least resistance. This is the underlying flaw in your suggestions.
Your suggestion is not a rock. It's closer a dam.
And content is not a lifeless river. If you dam it, the content that would be trapped behind it would decide that the river isn't working for them so rather than busting through the damn, they'll fork off and go elsewhere.
All your suggestions seem to be about forcing people to go somewhere they don't want to be. Focus instead of making LS the place they want to be. Otherwise people will just burn out on shipping to high sec.
I understand the frustration with JFs but this would just make the cost of living in NS higher since shipments will require more pilots and planning. Increasing the cost of living and inconvenience in null just makes it less appealing and you'll have more PVEers living in high sec.
Will there be more PVP as a result? Maybe. But I don't see pirates successfully popping any freighters all that often. NS alliances are pretty well organized and they won't take so much isk worth of cargo through anywhere they wouldn't be able to easily clear. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:37:17 -
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Show me how:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
Show me how each JF from NS gets its ass handed to it by LS.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:40:54 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Show me how: Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each JF from NS gets its ass handed to it by LS. Jump Freighters are not capitals and that has nothing to do with your bullshit claim.
You can try to change the subject to divert away from your complete inability to post any evidence to support what you claim, but it won't work.
Post the kills Salvos. Post the evidence that supports your claim.
As before, put up, or shut up.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:42:22 -
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Rotho Ataru wrote:Your suggestion is not a rock. It's closer a dam.
I considered that extension of the analogy before I submitted the post.
Its not a dam, because it doesnt stop the river.
Its not an impassable obstacle to the flow.
Transit is still possible with non-cyno shipments.
The change does not prevent material transport in LS, nor between HS-NS.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:48:37 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 13:52:25 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it. Jump Freighters are not Capitals and that has nothing to do with your bullshit claim.
Prove what you claimed. You aren't going to take this off track.
Prove it, or don't prove it. Can't prove it is the conclusion.
You're here peddling lies and using them as a basis to support your dumb idea. Lies are still just lies. They do t support anything but the opposite of what they say.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 14:05:32 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You're here peddling lies and using them as a basis to support your dumb idea. Lies are still just lies. They dont support anything but the opposite of what they say.
Im gonna go full Tippia on you.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS.
Prove to me that every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it in LS.
PS: JFs are capitals. They are the freighter direct equivalent in the spectrum of hull categories. PPS: Meanwhile we discuss, billions in isk is lol-cynoing through LS between HS-NS.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:34:10 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:53:10 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it. "3 days - 100 Billion of Freighters" - Tiky Mikk
And what about the 99.9% rest of JF cyno transit through LS?
See what I mean?
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:55:46 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:LS groups hand NS their ass whenever they jump into LS. Show me how each and every JF from NS gets its ass handed to it. "3 days - 100 Billion of Freighters" - Tiky Mikk And what about the 99.9% rest of JF cyno transit through LS? See what I mean?
nobody cares about them otherwise we would all be in supers doing the same
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 15:59:34 -
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Lan Wang wrote:nobody cares about them otherwise we would all be in supers doing the same
Wat?
Seriously, wtf is this nonsense supposed to mean?
This is pathetic. You arent even trying.
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Charley Varrick
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:05:53 -
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I admit I know next to nothing of jump freighter mechanics but I was under the impression that they couldn't jump from null to high all in one jump... that it took a few jumps with stops in low along the way. Just trying to understand what all the fuss is about. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.28 16:10:50 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:I admit I know next to nothing of jump freighter mechanics but I was under the impression that they couldn't jump from null to high all in one jump... that it took a few jumps with stops in low along the way. Just trying to understand what all the fuss is about.
In some rare places, they can cyno past LS altogether. Elsewhere, they can cyno to stations/citadels for added safety, or to anywhere in space within range.
In anycase, gatecamps are not an issue for cyno transit.
Its almost impossible in to intercept a well run JF cyno based passage through LS.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.03.28 18:16:47 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:nobody cares about them otherwise we would all be in supers doing the same Wat? Seriously, wtf is this nonsense supposed to mean? This is pathetic. You arent even trying.
Look man, if people of lowsec really cared about killing jump freighters we would be sitting on the undock of every midpoint point station alpha'ing freighters with fighter bombers, the thing is nobody really cares as we have better things to do. Sorry you can't grasp that but you dont live or contribute to Lowsec so it's understandable.
They don't lol-cyno, they cyno in because we let them
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:I admit I know next to nothing of jump freighter mechanics but I was under the impression that they couldn't jump from null to high all in one jump... that it took a few jumps with stops in low along the way. Just trying to understand what all the fuss is about. No, they can't.
It's not possible to light a cyno in highsec, so any return journey from null to highsec must involve lowsec (except for a few nullsec systems that have highsec connections directly).
You cyno to a system with a highsec connection and then warp to gate and jump. It's pretty safe if you know what you are doing, but plenty make mistakes:
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.29 13:47:38 -
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It took only 30 pages to completely lock entire discussion around the matter which, of course, is the main problem that poisons existence of everyone who lives or visits LS: null guys haul their stuff through LS via JFs. Because fixing that obviously addresses everything anyone ever wanted for LS.
I take off my hat in the face of such persistence.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.29 14:12:51 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Because fixing that obviously addresses everything anyone ever wanted for LS..
Explain.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.03.29 14:27:07 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scialt wrote:You're trying to destroy low-sec and turn it into a gatecamp. Wut. As I outlined in another post, its better to turn LS into an intermediary trade hub. LS can internally produce/source most of NS needs, and can facilitate non-cyno delivery/storing/trading of product from both HS and NS to LS stations/Citadels for the rest. LS doesnt have bubbles, hence you dont need cynos to bypass gatecamps.
Shutting down travel in an area does not turn it into a trade hub. It does the opposite. Increasing gate camps shuts down travel. There aren't really any sites resembling trade hubs in low sec now WITH the ability to JF to them to keep them supplied. If one were to start without JF's... it would get camped and die almost immediately.
LS still has warp scramblers and interceptors. Plenty of gate camps capture plenty of ships without bubbles. The thing that hinders shipping from null to high sec also hinders non-shipping travel in low sec. Just think about it for a few minutes. The only result of your suggestion are a big increase in gate camps and a big decrease in EVERYTHING ELSE that happens in low-sec. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.29 14:35:10 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Because fixing that obviously addresses everything anyone ever wanted for LS.. Explain.
Do you not have the ability to understand irony, tin man? He is making fun of you.... Because in his opinion fixing jumpfreigthers will not fix all what is wrong with lowsec. Do you even English?
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