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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:02:39 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Ok
How about this.
Platooning.
In WoT you can temporarily platoon. You say it already exists as making a team. This could be a faster choice with benefits, like rightclicking somebody who has a mark in Local that tells everybody he is ready for platooning. You invite to platoon and if he (them) accept they would instawarp next to you. Maybe some other perks for platooners. People can form fleets whenever they want. Yes more numbers is always good in a fight. So this is there already. Right click whomever you want in your fleet and select 'form fleet with'. After that right click on people and select 'invite to fleet' and then select at which level. Once in fleet and in the same system they can warp to you or you to them. As for any other benefit, no. It could be used as a method to avoid fatigue. Edit: It could also, effectively, add jump capability to ships without jump drives if this "platooning" moves people instantly to wherever the platoon creator is. Kinda different approach, the create fleet option takes way too long to be of any direct use. It takes seconds. You can also create an advert and drop it into a chat channel and others can click it. This all should take less that 1-2 minutes. Edit: In EVE a little bit of preparation can go a loooong way. This is why logistics in a big NS war is so important. The people who can prepare and be ready first have a significant advantage.
Sigh. Sure is a problem for wiser men than me.
I know Im a newbie, but the immediate problem that CCP are addressing is monetary. They went from trial to alpha, darn big leap.
Seems that the problem is how to make new players enjoy their first days, weeks so much they want to stay. Thats why I keep addressing these tings that bothered me the most when I started. (Many remember my sad, early rage against this game)
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
600
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:11:08 -
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i would say: just let it happen <3 |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:15:49 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:
Sigh. Sure is a problem for wiser men than me.
I know Im a newbie, but the immediate problem that CCP are addressing is monetary. They went from trial to alpha, darn big leap.
Seems that the problem is how to make new players enjoy their first days, weeks so much they want to stay. Thats why I keep addressing these tings that bothered me the most when I started. (Many remember my sad, early rage against this game)
That's fine, but there is a forum for new player ideas where lots of ideas are posted. Some frequently...too frequently (i.e. use the search button or google please).
And you might want to read this. Or at least this part,
Quote:Any change that is made to privilege a specific group in an open, classless game will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer, more experienced players.
With any proposal you should ask, "How could this be abused?" You are new so you may not see it, so if you do have an idea adding that question to any posts about ideas would be a good move; with an upside you might learn about certain mechanics you were unaware of prior to posting.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:25:48 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:That's fine, but there is a forum for new player ideas where lots of ideas are posted. Some frequently...too frequently (i.e. use the search button or google please). And you might want to read this. Or at least this part, Quote:Any change that is made to privilege a specific group in an open, classless game will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer, more experienced players. With any proposal you should ask, "How could this be abused?" You are new so you may not see it, so if you do have an idea adding that question to any posts about ideas would be a good move; with an upside you might learn about certain mechanics you were unaware of prior to posting.
Yep I tend to get hyper in forums, kinda getting caught up in the moment.
Usually Memphis Baas steps in and bitchslaps me in Beginners Q&A.
How about SP-connected perks that "wears" of when you reach higher levels of SP?
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:26:34 -
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Doublepost
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:53:45 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:That's fine, but there is a forum for new player ideas where lots of ideas are posted. Some frequently...too frequently (i.e. use the search button or google please). And you might want to read this. Or at least this part, Quote:Any change that is made to privilege a specific group in an open, classless game will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer, more experienced players. With any proposal you should ask, "How could this be abused?" You are new so you may not see it, so if you do have an idea adding that question to any posts about ideas would be a good move; with an upside you might learn about certain mechanics you were unaware of prior to posting. Yep I tend to get hyper in forums, kinda getting caught up in the moment. Usually Memphis Baas steps in and bitchslaps me in Beginners Q&A. How about SP-connected perks that "wears" of when you reach higher levels of SP?
Already been tried. There were these things called dailies, like go kill a belt rat and get x-SP. CCP ended up taking it out. Not sure if they are still working on it or not or totally scrapped it.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.19 19:54:34 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Don't try and make EVE "better for new players"; just try to make the game better for everyone and the new players (or miners, or solo PvP, or small alliances, or hi-sec CSM voters) will benefit just fine.
This could be written on the Eve tombstone
Hopefully not for awhile, and perhaps it would be better served by being written over the doors of CCP's building.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2017.03.19 20:32:09 -
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Eve is a huge social experiment.
To me it seems the playerbase has been very steady except for the Alpha-peak. Maybe everybody is overreacting on Eves death.
We have unfortunately seen many examples of game developers that during success hires too many people and then when "normality" sets in the downhill starts (lookin at you too Rovio)
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1056
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Posted - 2017.03.19 23:06:40 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:@Teckos Pech
You are a wise man.
Eve is a huge social experiment.
To me it seems the playerbase has been very steady except for the Alpha-peak. Maybe everybody is overreacting on Eves death.
We have unfortunately seen many examples of game developers that during success hires too many people and then when "normality" sets in the downhill starts (lookin at you too Rovio)
Yes and no - there is a definite trend there if you look at any metric* but it doesn't mean that the outcome is inevitable. But based on around 20 years of experience with both sides of the fence when it comes to video games (as a player and developer) my experience would suggest that Eve is if everything continues on current trends in a downwards decline to a critical point around 2-3 years from now where declining activity levels will go into a spiral as less activity will breed less activity combined with the lower income meaning less investment in updates to the game. (This is more an instinctive thing than something necessarily calculated).
And I honestly believe the solution partly lies in embracing a certain, though limited, amount of canned fleet content both in PVP and especially PVE that brings people together earlier in the game - especially mission arcs for say 2-4 players that don't have them running back to agent after every site and take them around the game world a bit.
* Even the graph posts a couple of pages back of concord activity when you filter out the various factors tends to show a declining trend in active players as well. |
Salvos Rhoska
2503
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Posted - 2017.03.20 07:43:42 -
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Everything dies, nothing is eternal.
Change, and adapting to it, is the only desperate means we have of forestalling that inevitability.
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2017.03.20 15:21:15 -
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Rroff wrote: - especially mission arcs for say 2-4 players that don't have them running back to agent after every site and take them around the game world a bit..
This is not a bad idea at all. Joining a corp could be too big a leap for many.
So missions or some ingame billboard system (WiS ) where you could temporarily get together and form a fleet, do whatever and then separate.
Like forming a music band for a few gigs.
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Lawrence Lawton
The Conference Elite CODE.
106
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:07:47 -
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lilol' me wrote: for me ill always say these things are problems
Scamming - big problem Ganking - big problem Risk vs Reward - CCP have nerfed reward its pathetic. I mean you do a lvl 3 mission and you get literally not much for your efforts Immersion - the game can be terribly boring, missions are boring, pvp well isnt exactly exciting, there is no life in eve, you only ever see someone at a station or at a gate really, there is nothing in between. Citadels help a little on that but i want to see more life happening.
Scamming - one of the selling points of EVE Ganking - one of the selling points of EVE Risk vs Reward - There is almost zero risk in running a lvl 3 mission run in highsec, so of course the reward is low. Try running a DED site in in low or null. The risk/reward ratio in highsec is actually imbalanced in the other direction. Many people go months without losing anything and stay in highsec forever. (Nerf highsec incursions!) Immersion - The PvE is predictable, repetitive, and unchallenging. That is because EVE is a social PvP game. If you think PvP is not exciting then you're doing it wrong.
You are a carebear and you should feel bad about it. Your expectations are completely off. Highsec is like training wheels for people who don't know how to play yet.
The solution to your problem is to stop playing EVE like a solo theme park game, join a decent corp or alliance, and get out of highsec. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:17:34 -
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Lawrence Lawton wrote:
The solution to your problem is to stop playing EVE like a solo theme park game, join a decent corp or alliance, and get out of highsec.
I would agree with this for the vast majority of players. EVE is not a theme park game. Playing it as a solo lone wolf player from the get go is going to lead to alot of frustration and annoyance, IMO. If you first find friends/corp/alliance you'll learn faster, earn faster, and hopefully have fun. If at a later date you want to try going back to the lone wolf suff...go ahead, you'll be better equipped to handle it, IMO.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
139
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:18:40 -
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Eve may be in a rut.
I am not convinced it is dieing right now.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
However it could be true that Alpha clones are not doing anything for the growth of the game.
Alpha's are restricted to never being more than an alpha unless they pay...so they have no great goals to accomplish or look forward to.
It might do better if there is a Beta clone option, and perhaps a Ceta clone option (where you pay a samller subscription), and then the full Omega option (monthly subscription). |
Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15371
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:38:24 -
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Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Ceta
WTF is a Ceta? Mean "Gamma"?
My latin teacher is turning in his grave lol. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
611
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:43:53 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Ceta WTF is a Ceta? Mean "Gamma"? My latin teacher is turning in his grave lol.
we aren't all lucky as you to have a latin teacher! gogo autodidacts people!
let gamma be ceta! ceta ftw!!!!!!! |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2017.03.20 19:59:58 -
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Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone.
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3235
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:04:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Ceta WTF is a Ceta?
It's what comes before Deta, Eeta, Feta, ...
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
62
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:04:57 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Ceta WTF is a Ceta? Mean "Gamma"? My latin teacher is turning in his grave lol. we aren't all lucky as you to have a latin teacher! gogo autodidacts people! let gamma be ceta! ceta ftw!!!!!!!
Not Latin. Greek. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3236
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:07:00 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone.
Every places I played the game in didn't require to play on a regular basis or shouting stupid things in a microphone.
I have to admit no never having joined a WH corp or a HS mercenary one so maybe those do require that... |
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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1056
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:07:17 -
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Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Eve may be in a rut. I am not convinced it is dieing right now. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityHowever it could be true that Alpha clones are not doing anything for the growth of the game. Alpha's are restricted to never being more than an alpha unless they pay...so they have no great goals to accomplish or look forward to. It might do better if there is a Beta clone option, and perhaps a Ceta clone option (where you pay a samller subscription), and then the full Omega option (monthly subscription).
Eve is in a decline not a death throe, nothing to say it can't be reversed, etc. but its pretty obvious by any objective measurement that since 2013 the trend is downwards and measures have only produced spikes and done nothing to reverse the trend just delay it.
I think it is worth hanging out in a starter system sometime see what is going on and the disconnects in some of the early parts of the game and what old timers have come to expect/potential for someone with more experience - some of the conversations when I came back to see what the alpha stuff was about was interesting to me.
Also looking at some of the posts above I think some don't realise that some people want to get involved with other players but don't want to jump into something structured/corporation atleast not initially and there is a bit of a gap there. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
62
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:13:20 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone.
The microphone thing is a bigger deal than many realize.
Those of us who are in the older gamer demographic (35+) where games didn't involve voice coms when we started playing and now have families... dealing with comms is something that is not as easy to accept as many want it to be.
When my main was looking for a corp after returning I put up the fact I wanted to get out of high sec but not be in a corp that required voice comms. I literally got 30 messages from corps recruiting telling me I was an idiot for not wanting to use a microphone.
I ended up joining one that was okay with not having me on voice comms... but even with that I can't take part in a lot of alliance activities because of that.
I think many fail to realize how many of us people who were around at the dawn of MMO's are still around but can only play for a few hours each night with the sound turned off (to not wake up a spouse or child). I know it's a futile wish... but i do wish the voice comm thing wasn't such a central part of group play on most MMO's (especially eve). |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:34:55 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone. Every places I played the game in didn't require to play on a regular basis or shouting stupid things in a microphone. I have to admit no never having joined a WH corp or a HS mercenary one so maybe those do require that...
Pretty much the same. In some instances if I was online the expectation was to be in fleets, but that was limited to sov level warfare. If you don't want that don't join up with sov holders.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:37:40 -
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Scialt wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone. The microphone thing is a bigger deal than many realize. Those of us who are in the older gamer demographic (35+) where games didn't involve voice coms when we started playing and now have families... dealing with comms is something that is not as easy to accept as many want it to be. When my main was looking for a corp after returning I put up the fact I wanted to get out of high sec but not be in a corp that required voice comms. I literally got 30 messages from corps recruiting telling me I was an idiot for not wanting to use a microphone. I ended up joining one that was okay with not having me on voice comms... but even with that I can't take part in a lot of alliance activities because of that. I think many fail to realize how many of us people who were around at the dawn of MMO's are still around but can only play for a few hours each night with the sound turned off (to not wake up a spouse or child). I know it's a futile wish... but i do wish the voice comm thing wasn't such a central part of group play on most MMO's (especially eve).
I have been in sov holding alliances for a big chunk of the years I've been playing and unless you are an FC or somebody "important" in the alliance talking on comms was not that common. I would often not talk because others in the house were asleep...was hardly an issue. And if listening to the FC is s problem: headsets people...headsets.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
62
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Posted - 2017.03.20 20:47:43 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Scialt wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Is there ANYTHING in between?
You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.
I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.
Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone. The microphone thing is a bigger deal than many realize. Those of us who are in the older gamer demographic (35+) where games didn't involve voice coms when we started playing and now have families... dealing with comms is something that is not as easy to accept as many want it to be. When my main was looking for a corp after returning I put up the fact I wanted to get out of high sec but not be in a corp that required voice comms. I literally got 30 messages from corps recruiting telling me I was an idiot for not wanting to use a microphone. I ended up joining one that was okay with not having me on voice comms... but even with that I can't take part in a lot of alliance activities because of that. I think many fail to realize how many of us people who were around at the dawn of MMO's are still around but can only play for a few hours each night with the sound turned off (to not wake up a spouse or child). I know it's a futile wish... but i do wish the voice comm thing wasn't such a central part of group play on most MMO's (especially eve). I have been in sov holding alliances for a big chunk of the years I've been playing and unless you are an FC or somebody "important" in the alliance talking on comms was not that common. I would often not talk because others in the house were asleep...was hardly an issue. And if listening to the FC is s problem: headsets people...headsets.
I don't really want to deal with voice commands either. I know that's not realistic for this game or most other MMO's at this point... it's just how I prefer to interact (via text communication rather than voice). I keep hoping some corporation of deaf players comes along for me to join.
For a while I thought I should just lie and tell everyone that I was deaf as a way to get them to stop telling me to get on comms.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6245
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Posted - 2017.03.20 21:11:43 -
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Scialt wrote:
I don't really want to deal with voice commands either. I know that's not realistic for this game or most other MMO's at this point... it's just how I prefer to interact (via text communication rather than voice). I keep hoping some corporation of deaf players comes along for me to join.
For a while I thought I should just lie and tell everyone that I was deaf as a way to get them to stop telling me to get on comms.
BoB/GBC and later IT Alliance and Goons provide support for deaf players. I know I used it when my headset crapped out once and was waiting for the replacement. It does rely on other players with headsets typing FC commands. Not perfect, but player groups are trying....
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2017.03.20 21:52:09 -
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Thank you guys for understanding.
Also glad to see that somebody else might have issues with corps. To join a corp is a pretty big deal on many levels, its a social community and you have to fit in.
Finding a perfect corp can be tedious with trials and errors especially for players like me who rather enjoy very small groups and without the comm. stuff.
This could be something for CCP to dig into and find a solution that is kinda in between.
Kinda like that billboard thing I mentioned.
" Hi, me and my friend want covop pilot who could tag along this weekend and protect us in WH, bring friend if you want. Contact 'Asso Whuppo' "
CCP could add some features to prevent trolling and reduce the posibility to take (too) much advantage.
If it wasn't for bad luck I would have no luck at all.
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Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2017.03.20 23:51:26 -
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Soel Reit wrote:lel i mean... even romans didn't think they could walk on the moon the only limit out there is the one you place on yourself kiddo But it was the Chinese who invented rockets. |
Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2017.03.20 23:54:02 -
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Alexander Maxim wrote:Server reset. And I say this as someone who has 10 years into this game. I know many friends who like the new mechanics, but won't play because of the powers that be.
Burn it all. Start from scratch.
I bet that subs would be off the charts.
I wonder how many people would sigh in relief that sunk costs (in money and/or time) could finally be walked away from and never look back. |
Lawrence Lawton
The Conference Elite CODE.
107
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Posted - 2017.03.21 00:10:49 -
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Scialt wrote: I don't really want to deal with voice commands either. I know that's not realistic for this game or most other MMO's at this point... it's just how I prefer to interact (via text communication rather than voice). I keep hoping some corporation of deaf players comes along for me to join.
For a while I thought I should just lie and tell everyone that I was deaf as a way to get them to stop telling me to get on comms.
You're right that it's not realistic. Voice comms are by far the most efficient way to communicate commands in a fleet engagement, so not using them would be a disadvantage. Telling people you are deaf would mean some do-gooder is wasting his time relaying commands for your needy self.
People who refuse to use comms without a good reason are considered untrustworthy and annoying. |
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