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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3094
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Posted - 2017.03.15 16:57:43 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-chaos-erupts-during-caldari-gallente-summit-after-leaked-recordings-criticize-chief-executive-panel/
Quote:HATAKANI - Executives from Kaalakiota, Sukuuvestaa and CBD have walked out of Chief Executive Panel talks with the Federal government, after audio recordings were leaked in which a number of Gallente Senators criticised the ethics of forcing protestors in the State back to work.
While the identities of the senators involved are unknown at this time, it is known that questions were raised about the unethical treatment of the workforce in the State, after those protesting against conditions on Oijanen II were forced back to work by the enactment of employment contract clauses prohibiting employee involvement in civil unrest.
The audio recording also made unconfirmed mentions of an apparent Federal Intelligence Office investigation into missing Kaalakiota employee Jaron Kasaras.
The talks have now been closed aboard the CONCORD Bureau in orbit of Hatakani VI, after the remaining members of the Chief Executive Panel departed a little over an hour ago, citing lack of a majority presence of CEP members required for decision making.
Requests for comment from the Senate have been met with silence, however the Press Office for Lai Dai quoted Alakoni Ishanoya, their Chief Executive, as describing the talks as a "complete circus, designed to detract from the real issue of Federal interference in State affairs."
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3094
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:03:42 -
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I am honestly vexed with this development, when I see that our superiors have stepped on the rake again. Making such summit in the first place was a mistake.
It is crystal clear now why you don't do diplomacy with gallente: even at that level they dared to put their nose into our internal affair that they have no business with. We will not allow Federal scum to intervene into our affairs and tell us how we should deal with our protesters and dissenters. Their amoral attempt at bullying us for our internal politics is a sign of their degrading and offensive society.
We already have war with the Federation, and while they display their inability in civilized behavior and diplomacy, we shall just keep shooting at them.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7218
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:09:55 -
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Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives - even when the stakes are as high as this.
There will be no normalisation of relations until and unless they can smother their instinct to dictate to us.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3096
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:12:14 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives - even when the stakes are as high as this.
There will be no normalisation of relations until and unless they can smother their instinct to dictate to us. Unfortunately they don't just tell it - they try to enforce it with weapons. Isn't it the reason of both our wars with them, one that happened 200 years ago and second one that started 8 years ago. And I see only one solution to stop this. The Federation must be destroyed.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7219
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:26:06 -
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I remain convinced that we can get past this roadblock to peaceful relations - but I'm not sure how. Perhaps the problem is that the Senate itself is just too damn big, and the Senators far too interested in political grandstanding to support their upcoming re-election campaigns.
It's why I could never participate in an indirect democracy like the Federation. I want my representatives to be focused on securing their positions through performance - not theatre.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
277
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Posted - 2017.03.15 17:26:36 -
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If this ploy were any more transparent, it would be a Mannar shirt.
The FIO has some house cleaning to do.
And anyone who acts like this is a surprise, and that we didn't already know the Federation tut-tuts at every opportunity, is either looking for excuses, or an idiot. Really, who the hell cares if some wined up senators shot off their mouths behind closed doors?
The big concern is that it got out...
AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME.
Use your heads. Someone played on pride. And it worked. |
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
316
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:02:37 -
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Agiri Falken wrote:If this ploy were any more transparent, it would be a Mannar shirt.
The FIO has some house cleaning to do.
And anyone who acts like this is a surprise, and that we didn't already know the Federation tut-tuts at every opportunity, is either looking for excuses, or an idiot. Really, who the hell cares if some wined up senators shot off their mouths behind closed doors?
The big concern is that it got out...
AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME.
Use your heads. Someone played on pride. And it worked.
You hit the nail on the head.
Who do you think benefits from this leak? The FIO are the top intelligence agency in the cluster, leaks like this don't just happen. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1978
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:23:16 -
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Comments of some random senators can create chaos, that's new to Caldari it seems.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2315
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:33:15 -
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Well, at least they tried...
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9336
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:53:42 -
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The majority of that article is just tripe and posturing.
The only worthwhile statement:
Quote:The audio recording also made unconfirmed mentions of an apparent Federal Intelligence Office investigation into missing Kaalakiota employee Jaron Kasaras.
Whatever happened, the FIO doesn't know, either.
What I wouldn't do to get a hand on the Myrskaa frigate's black box...
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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
278
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:56:08 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I remain convinced that we can get past this roadblock to peaceful relations - but I'm not sure how. Perhaps the problem is that the Senate itself is just too damn big, and the Senators far too interested in political grandstanding to support their upcoming re-election campaigns.
It's why I could never participate in an indirect democracy like the Federation. I want my representatives to be focused on securing their positions through performance - not theatre. It's all theater, on both sides, right now, kirjuun. But I'm glad to see you haven't thrown in the towel. Come talk with me sometime soon, yeah? Been a bit. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3096
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Posted - 2017.03.15 19:59:11 -
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Unrelated.
Besides, any FIO "investigator" who would dare to put their dirty swine noses into KK affairs should be dealt with, better by use of excessive firepower.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2315
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Posted - 2017.03.15 20:26:17 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Unrelated.
Besides, any FIO "investigator" who would dare to put their dirty swine noses into KK affairs should be dealt with, better by use of excessive firepower. You would have to know they are there first. I suspect you lack the required intel to know how, when, and where they operate.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
398
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Posted - 2017.03.15 20:31:07 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives. The Federation aren't the ones dictating. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1405
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Posted - 2017.03.15 20:33:08 -
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Sshhh. Speaking an opinion is 'dictatorship', don't you know? Now, if they'd waged war and so on, it would just be 'honorable' I'm sure. |
Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1606
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Posted - 2017.03.15 20:44:12 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives. The Federation aren't the ones dictating.
To be fair, they are. No matter which way you slice it, these unnamed Senators are telling Caldari CEOs to do something. Namely not treat citizens in a way that these Senators do not like.
It's a case of telling someone to do x, what x is is irrelevant given the point is that they are telling someone to do x. That is the definition of dictation. To dictate, to instruct. You can meta this how you like, but this is what it ultimately boils down to.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3110
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Posted - 2017.03.15 21:00:35 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives. The Federation aren't the ones dictating. To be fair, they are. No matter which way you slice it, these unnamed Senators are telling Caldari CEOs to do something. Namely not treat citizens in a way that these Senators do not like. It's a case of telling someone to do x, what x is is irrelevant given the point is that they are telling someone to do x. That is the definition of dictation. To dictate, to instruct. You can meta this how you like, but this is what it ultimately boils down to.
This is really the core issue between Gallente and Caldari.
Gallente: "People should be allowed to live how they wish."
Caldari: "We collectively wish to live as our ancestors did, and reject individualism. That's okay with you, right?"
Gallente: "Uh. Do you let individuals choose to live differently?"
Caldari: "Sure. They just have to go into exile and leave behind everything and everyone they know and love."
Gallente: "What?! No, that's not okay!"
Caldari: "You telling us it's not okay is not okay, OUTSIDER! Mind your own business!"
And so on. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7223
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Posted - 2017.03.15 22:24:52 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives. The Federation aren't the ones dictating.
I suppose this must be that 'perspective' thing that I've heard so much about.
To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1405
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Posted - 2017.03.15 22:26:18 -
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And yet, until you somehow manage to block all communication in New Eden, there they are and forever will be. My sincere recommendation is coming to terms with that. Less ulcers that way. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3111
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Posted - 2017.03.15 23:01:01 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:And yet, until you somehow manage to block all communication in New Eden, there they are and forever will be. My sincere recommendation is coming to terms with that. Less ulcers that way.
That's a reality modern Caldari culture is largely built on forcefully rejecting, Miz. ... mostly, rejecting Gallentean opinions.
They've "come to terms" with all that by making their own country, fortifying it extremely heavily, limiting trade with the outside world, limiting cultural minorities like the Achura to their own isolated communities, engaging in a fairly flagrant campaign of eugenics in which partners are matched in arranged marriages largely on the basis of similar appearance (I have a theory they're trying to recreate some of Caldari Prime's "lost" bloodlines), and basically daring anybody and everybody to make an issue of it. |
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James Syagrius
Humble Trader Company
1532
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Posted - 2017.03.16 00:17:57 -
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So, let us clarify, shall we?
Our friends in the State are upset because there is an audio recording between Federal Senators discussing unethical labor practices in the State and apparently in which they also made unconfirmed mentions of an apparent Federal Intelligence Office investigation into missing Kaalakiota employee Jaron Kasaras.
Shocking indeed that the FIO would be dare investigate the States latest blunder, the apparent attempt to weaponize... a 'particular agent'. Goodness knows why the Federal Intelligence Office might be interested in that. But as the current 'crisis' is significant, if contrived by the continued incompetence of the State, so it is perfectly understandable why they would put away their toys and go home in a huff.
Quite a gem of a statement this, "complete circus, designed to detract from the real issue of Federal interference in State affairs." So this issue is so very important but.... don't you dare comment on... well.
Who went home again?
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7225
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Posted - 2017.03.16 00:18:51 -
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Well, it's not based on anything as crass as mere physical appearance, solely, although my selection of my better half did factor that into the equation. The Hall of Records commented mainly on genetic suitability vis a vis genetic predispositions to unfortunate traits and outcomes.
Other than that, Ms Jenneth is largely correct. We demand the right to live according to our own cultural and social mores and we support the rights of others to do likewise. If you aren't a citizen then your opinion on that is simply that - your opinion.
Opinions are like feet. Most people have more than one and most of 'em stink.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
363
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Posted - 2017.03.16 00:58:11 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives. The Federation aren't the ones dictating. To be fair, they are. No matter which way you slice it, these unnamed Senators are telling Caldari CEOs to do something. Namely not treat citizens in a way that these Senators do not like. It's a case of telling someone to do x, what x is is irrelevant given the point is that they are telling someone to do x. That is the definition of dictation. To dictate, to instruct. You can meta this how you like, but this is what it ultimately boils down to. This is really the core issue between Gallente and Caldari. Gallente: "People should be allowed to live how they wish." Caldari: "We collectively wish to live as our ancestors did, and reject individualism. That's okay with you, right?" Gallente: "Uh. Do you let individuals choose to live differently?" Caldari: "Sure. They just have to go into exile and leave behind everything and everyone they know and love." Gallente: "What?! No, that's not okay!" Caldari: "You telling us it's not okay is not okay, OUTSIDER! Mind your own business!" And so on. In that particular scenario I can't help but enjoy the irony of Federal officials being outraged at the idea that citizens would be exiled for failing to confirm to what the government considers acceptable public opinion.
Bataav
Mahesha | Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
399
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Posted - 2017.03.16 01:11:47 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed. Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3113
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Posted - 2017.03.16 01:17:41 -
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Kolodi Ramal wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed. Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.
Eh ...
Depending on how you look at it, Mr. Ramal, the CEP's actions on that can be interpreted as a very Caldari way of saying, "Your concerns are duly noted, thank you. Please return to work."
It's pretty emphatically not a democracy. |
James Syagrius
Humble Trader Company
1534
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Posted - 2017.03.16 01:43:00 -
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Well, I have waited for a very long time to do it, but have simply lacked an appropriate segway. I hope Ms. Kim won't mind.
Aria Jenneth wrote:It's pretty emphatically not a democracy. And that is why the State, must be destroyed!
Oh go ahead and laugh, goodness knows I did.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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TomHorn
Dragonaurs
285
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Posted - 2017.03.16 02:07:35 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Well, I have waited for a very long time to do it, but have simply lacked an appropriate segway. I hope Ms. Kim won't mind. Aria Jenneth wrote:It's pretty emphatically not a democracy. And that is why the State, must be destroyed! Oh go ahead and laugh, goodness knows I did.
You know James i always thought... err you were funny guy. |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs
285
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Posted - 2017.03.16 03:36:33 -
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Anyway , since James is telling jokes, though id lighten the mood, a little.
I was in the Heathen's Tavern the other day, talking to some of the locals. In walks in Bobby Dezero , you know the famous Caldari movie star, does those gangster flicks.
Anyway, im talking away , to some of the locals. Bobby says, to me, "You talking me"
I say,"No Bobby , no , im talking to that guy over there."
Bobby says, "You talking to me."
I say, "No Bobby , no, no, im not talking to you."
Bobby says again "You talking to me."
Anyway, Kaboom . Bang, Boom, there Bobby Dezero laid out on the floor , of the Heathen's Tavern. Blood all over. What you going do? Not my fault, i was talking to someone over his left shoulder. Anyway, locals and i , we pick him up dust him off. He buys round drinks for everyone, then we get round drinks in. Good time was had by all. He ends up giving us all some free tickects to go watch him film his next movie. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
887
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Posted - 2017.03.16 11:18:11 -
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Bobby Dezero amuses me. Like a clown.
He plays a good part, but he's no Istvaan Shogaatsu.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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TomHorn
Dragonaurs
286
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Posted - 2017.03.16 14:45:47 -
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Graelyn wrote:Bobby Dezero amuses me. Like a clown.
He plays a good part, but he's no Istvaan Shogaatsu.
Genius Graelyn , absolute genius !
Istvaan is good , like Istvaan to.
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