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Ronimil
the goat farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.16 05:15:48 -
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Literally ridiculous how overpowered these gate-camping rats are.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/60278562/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60689521/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60004121/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59837677/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59831187/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59759268/
Insta-lock frigates with long-range scrams, friends with high DPS, and they dont take gate guns in high sec/low sec, and have wicked DPS, tank and unaffected by neuts.
No bounty, no loot. Dumb. Even players who gate camp drop loot, especially insta-lock high dps frigates. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.03.16 05:34:31 -
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If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.03.16 05:41:03 -
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It is known:
https://soundcloud.com/gsen/grath-and-madcat-vs-incursion-rats |
March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2017.03.16 06:29:16 -
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That's why the only place when Incursion makes sense is 0.0 space: people are affected by it and they kill it asap.
Lowseccers ignore it (i might be wrong here).
Highseccers only have kids version of it and playing with plastic guns making noises "bam! you are dead! No you!"
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.16 08:00:30 -
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BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
highsec incursions drama ~ best drama |
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.03.16 08:30:01 -
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I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.03.16 08:46:35 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them? Lowsec and nullsec they are often on gates and yes, they'll lock you and kill you. If you are in something fast aligning you are usually ok. But otherwise, you'll stuggle to survive if you are caught without a good fleet to assist.
In highsec, I've flown freighters through incursion systems with no problem. |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1055
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Posted - 2017.03.16 12:52:10 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?
I was on a roam once, slightly behind the rest of the fleet, jumped a low sec gate and into them :( was in a shield tanked hurricane setup for speed - got back to gate in low structure. Second time though I was able to warp off the gate before they pointed me. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.03.16 13:02:27 -
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What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.16 14:40:50 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something
Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS? |
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Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.16 14:54:26 -
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Drake Aihaken wrote:I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?
Nana, I was running missions in my Gila. I jumped the gate in low sec, and the system was empty.
I warp to my encounter, and before I initiate warp I'm suddenly I'm scrammed and webbed. Then literally 5 seconds later, while in shock to realize what's even happened, my entire shield is gone and I'm in armor. Then dead.
I came back to loot my wreck with a navy armageddon and dominix, because there was a battleship as well and the cruiser wrecked my Gila. Someone ran the rats 180k off gate to loot my Gila, but the super rat tackler MWDed back quickly and tackled my battleships. The rat died, but even for 10x T2 light drones (which it kills very quickly), and my pulse lasers (which actually hit it fo 240 damage @ 20km tackle) it still took forever to kill.
The tackler rat will keep range 11km-20km, so unless you have faction web you going to have a tough time.
My Gila: https://zkillboard.com/kill/60818092/
Friggin dumb that nothing gives warning about this, and on top of that the super rats aren't even lucrative.
I'm going to end up not even playing eve until stupid incursion is out of my area.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.03.16 15:12:32 -
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Ronimil wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?
well you do now dont you?
and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3199
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Posted - 2017.03.16 15:30:52 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats?
Fit stabs and a little tank to sustain the initial damage. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.16 16:30:26 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats?
lol only good post so far haha
Quote:well you do now dont you?
and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km
Umm yea now I know after a 300 mil loss. And there's the Coreli Agent frigate rat on my kill mail which has 97 bil in kills. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17118/
When I went back, the Schmaeel Medulla frigate tackled my battleships, so there's multiple frigs that scram/web. The rat would switch point rapidly between both my battleships and my drones.
If you don't have a ship that can either blow the tacklers up quickly enough to warp off, or fly a frigate that can warp off before they can lock, you're dead.
These NPC camps are worse than player camps, because at least players take gate guns and they drop good loot typically. They also don't have near the same tank/dps.
Traveling thru low sec = medium risk, medium reward Traveling thru low sec w/ incursions = extremely high risk, zero reward
If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance. On top of that if I kill the player I might get 100 mil in loot. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
4013
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Posted - 2017.03.16 16:39:16 -
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Ronimil wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats? lol only good post so far haha Quote:well you do now dont you?
and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km Umm yea now I know after a 300 mil loss. And there's the Coreli Agent frigate rat on my kill mail which has 97 bil in kills. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17118/ When I went back, the Schmaeel Medulla frigate tackled my battleships, so there's multiple frigs that scram/web. The rat would switch point rapidly between both my battleships and my drones. If you don't have a ship that can either blow the tacklers up quickly enough to warp off, or fly a frigate that can warp off before they can lock, you're dead. These NPC camps are worse than player camps, because at least players take gate guns and they drop good loot typically. They also don't have near the same tank/dps. Traveling thru low sec = medium risk, medium reward Traveling thru low sec w/ incursions = extremely high risk, zero reward If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance. On top of that if I kill the player I might get 100 mil in loot.
player gatecamps = instalocking frigate, dps cruisers and logistics cruisers, player gatecamps dont care about gateguns
you dont get any rewards for traveling
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Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.16 16:51:56 -
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Quote: player gatecamps = instalocking frigate, dps cruisers and logistics cruisers, player gatecamps dont care about gateguns
you dont get any rewards for traveling
You typically need to travel in order to make ISK.
Do I want to roam around low sec with player gate camps? SURE, here's why: I can have 60 seconds to get my alt or alliance mates there to support them. If I kill them, I'll probably get at least 10-20m/pirate, and possibly 100m+. My alt is -7 and I gate camp all the time.
These NPC gate camps that are just like player gate camps. The difference is they're way more powerful for the number of ships, and they drop no loot. What's the point of even taking the risk of leaving system? If the frigs/cruisers can practically insta-kill a Gila, then I don't want to even know what the battleships can do. Do i need to bring a friggin carrier?
If there had been players camping it, I probably would've survived as I would've had 60 seconds to get my alt there.
All I'm really saying is that since these gate camps are so dangerous, they should drop significant loot. Level 7 sites are a walk in the park in comparison, except you get loot and bounties. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:18:16 -
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Ronimil wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS? Either find out information from someone else, or find out yourself, usually at some personal cost. Such is EvE.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2017.03.17 21:44:45 -
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Ronimil wrote:If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance.
Wait, what? The NPCs shoot you through gate cloak? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3220
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:09:42 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Ronimil wrote:If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance. Wait, what? The NPCs shoot you through gate cloak?
No they don't. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1393
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:15:40 -
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You know what other rats are OP? Drifters and NPC Miner escort ships. CCPlz nerf!
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:18:57 -
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Ronimil wrote: Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?
They aren't. The stats on even incursion NPC's are weaker than most players. You are just too used to the utterly nerfed unrealisticaly weak mission & anom rats. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:19:25 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:You know what other rats are OP? Drifters and NPC Miner escort ships. CCPlz nerf!
The miner escort has haulers, which drop skins which are valuable. What do incursion gate camping rats drop? Nothing.
The gate-camping incursion rats are extremely dangerous, yet the reward to kill them is crap. That's my beef. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:28:36 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Ronimil wrote: Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?
They aren't. The stats on even incursion NPC's are weaker than most players. You are just too used to the utterly nerfed unrealisticaly weak mission & anom rats.
The gila I flew had 27k ehp w/ no invulns active. If the NPC phantasm can take it down in seconds, I'd say that's pretty good DPS. Did you even look at the KMs i posted? https://zkillboard.com/kill/60278562/
I don't think an NPC frigate should be able to take down a Deimos, but if CCP wants to add em that's fine but they should drop some comparable loot.
My point is that these frigs are as dangerous as players, yet they don't drop anything good. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:29:14 -
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It's an incursion, and there are two parts to it:
1. Your System is being invaded by powerful spiky space pirates. This is a bad thing, as youe Cynos and jump bridges will be blocked and due to the system wide effects and presence of packs of pirates on every corner, your system gets barely usable. You are supposed to want to get rid of it, and the gate rats are part of that.
2. Only if you actually fight the incursion you will get rewarded, but that reward can be rather good if done right. But to get it, you need to actually gang up and put in a coordinated effort. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:39:21 -
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Neuntausend wrote:It's an incursion, and there are two parts to it:
1. Your System is being invaded by powerful spiky space pirates. This is a bad thing, as youe Cynos and jump bridges will be blocked and due to the system wide effects and presence of packs of pirates on every corner, your system gets barely usable. You are supposed to want to get rid of it, and the gate rats are part of that.
2. Only if you actually fight the incursion you will get rewarded, but that reward can be rather good if done right. But to get it, you need to actually gang up and put in a coordinated effort.
So it's forced ratting? Nice. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:43:26 -
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Dont take your vindicators out Goons, else Antem Neo will get you! https://zkillboard.com/kill/60838604/
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:48:25 -
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Ronimil wrote:Neuntausend wrote:It's an incursion, and there are two parts to it:
1. Your System is being invaded by powerful spiky space pirates. This is a bad thing, as youe Cynos and jump bridges will be blocked and due to the system wide effects and presence of packs of pirates on every corner, your system gets barely usable. You are supposed to want to get rid of it, and the gate rats are part of that.
2. Only if you actually fight the incursion you will get rewarded, but that reward can be rather good if done right. But to get it, you need to actually gang up and put in a coordinated effort. So it's forced ratting? Nice.
Nothing is forced. Pretend it's like an npc wardec. You don't HAVE to fight. Log off for a week. Go fly somewhere else... but unlike a wardec these ones won't chase you. Won't camp trade hubs. And if you do organize and fight you can not only end it faster. But make some of the best isk in the game while doing it.
You are literally complaining about having a giant loot pinata on your doorstep just because this one happens to have some bite |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2017.03.17 22:50:02 -
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It happens. There will always be idiots everywhere who don't realize that they are running right into an incursion. I myself am always quite happy when there's an incursion in Delve, as it's good money.
And yes - it's "forced" ratting. Forced in the same sense as an attacking player is forced PvP - you can opt to ignore it, but you might have to suffer the consequences if you do. Many things in Eve work this way. |
Ronimil
The Goat Farm Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2017.03.17 23:00:46 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Ronimil wrote:Neuntausend wrote:It's an incursion, and there are two parts to it:
1. Your System is being invaded by powerful spiky space pirates. This is a bad thing, as youe Cynos and jump bridges will be blocked and due to the system wide effects and presence of packs of pirates on every corner, your system gets barely usable. You are supposed to want to get rid of it, and the gate rats are part of that.
2. Only if you actually fight the incursion you will get rewarded, but that reward can be rather good if done right. But to get it, you need to actually gang up and put in a coordinated effort. So it's forced ratting? Nice. Nothing is forced. Pretend it's like an npc wardec. You don't HAVE to fight. Log off for a week. Go fly somewhere else... but unlike a wardec these ones won't chase you. Won't camp trade hubs. And if you do organize and fight you can not only end it faster. But make some of the best isk in the game while doing it. You are literally complaining about having a giant loot pinata on your doorstep just because this one happens to have some bite
Log off for a week? Brilliant. Maybe just quit for good.
Go somewhere else? Brilliant. I'll fly to a different region, and hope the incursion rats don't catch me.
There's plenty of ISK making opportunities. I don't need one shoved in my face. If the actual incursion combat sites have scram/web rats, that seems totally fine, but if they're at gates they should drop some good loot and have fat bounties. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2017.03.17 23:03:20 -
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Considering how dangerous they are, getting away with your ship in one piece is your reward. If you sit in a 2B loot pinata yourself - congrats, you did not waste 2B if you got away from the gate. |
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