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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2716
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:09:34 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30?
Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time.
It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.
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Phoenix4264
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
2
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:10:48 -
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Could we get a confirmation of if new PLEX can be exchanged for game time in more granular increments or if it will only be in 500 PLEX / 30 day blocks? |
Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1011
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:13:26 -
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Why not just allow plex/aurum to be converted between eachother, and let people cash out their aurum for aurum tokens?
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Cholly Chi
Acme Entropy
9
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:13:41 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Granularity good, vault bad.
says the career ganker;) |
Velarra
555
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:16:46 -
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What are CCP's intentions for the Aurum in-game tokens that're sold/traded on the market or moved around in ships? |
Damassys Kadesh
Space Ham Reloaded Rapid Unexpected Disassembly Event
69
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:17:15 -
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Allsales Final wrote:Damassys Kadesh wrote: -I saw someone make a point that plex hauling is high-risk for high reward, which is very EVE... can you not keep it this way and add a warning (maybe more flashy than the default) when undocking, just like when you have a crimewatch flag... or like in the past when you were undocking with drugs in your hold (obviously that code exists)
Cheers
How about Concord escorts for anyone hauling PLEX?
I'm no software dev, but I believe that would be a massive feature to implement and introduce many more variables into to situation... just leave it as-is and shove information into new-players' faces so that they understand the risk if they try to haul it.
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Niwt Owt
Lempel-Ziv-Welch Mineral Compression
1
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:19:29 -
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I think it makes more sense to move PLEX to Aurum. Aurum is a currency and PLEX is a pilot license extension. It makes sense to buy game time with a currency. It doesn't make sense to buy skins with a pilot license extension.
Or another way to do it is just use ISK as the main form of currency, just allow you to buy everything in the Aurum store and all the PLEX services with ISK. Then allow you to buy ISK with real money. |
Katrina Bekers
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
266
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:20:46 -
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Posting in what it will become the threadnaught of the month.
Oh, just to throw ideas around for the team:
500:1? It's ok to convert AUR with a 1:7 ratio, but many other ratios are a bit harder. Choose carefully your submultiples.
I'd fully expect for "500 milliplexes" (plexerinos? plexinos? mPLEX?) to not cover anymore 30 days of omega time, but soonish 28 days of omega. So we could imagine also 250 mPLEX (2w) and 125 mPLEX (1w) game time coverage.
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ApexDynamo
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
11
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:22:37 -
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This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day
We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then?
item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it.
I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/ |
Krieg Austern
46
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:26:54 -
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ApexDynamo wrote:This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then
To remove AUR, and replace it with PLEX, meaning they need a smaller measure.
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Cholly Chi
Acme Entropy
9
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:27:52 -
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ApexDynamo wrote:This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then? item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it. I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/
It eliminates Aurum which needlessly complicates CCPs life, allowing Plex to be used in the New Eden market place. And ultimately the same isk-value of Plex will buy one month's play time. What does it matter if you pay for a month's game time with 500 one Plex bills or one? |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1883
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:30:47 -
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Will somebody answer that goddamn phone?! Because I ******* called it.
About time, too, CCP. Took your sweet time on that one.
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Tetsel
Heretic Army Circle-Of-Two
296
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:34:09 -
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Quote: Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000? A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market
That's basically stealing... thx CCP
My Aur balance is below 1000 but that's some paid Aur. FC what do ?
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Another Bittervet Please Ignore
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3201
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:37:44 -
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Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.
They might do 3 month for 1400 or similar discount later on like they do on multi-month subs. |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
276
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:41:44 -
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Why not convert PLEX to its AUR equivalent and call it a day? PLEX has its material meaning to its name. Diverting it is going to be confusing to everybody.
Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
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Shkiki
MastersCraft
6
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:42:01 -
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This is a good change. Everything in eve stays the same, we can blow up people and loot plex from it, we can spend it on game time all the same, and aurum conversions are simpler and more straight forward.
Turns out, CCP can make decent decisions when we keep Foozie out of the captains chair. |
esquimo leviticus
ACE Trucking Co.
6
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:42:42 -
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So on the three accounts that I have 690, 50 and 60 Aur i'm just going to lose that amount??? It may not be much but that is one hell of a lot of assets CCP are just ditching from the game, not a fan for that reason. You's need to convert all amounts of Aur, am guessing you remember the monocle incident???? |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1505
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:45:51 -
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Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing.
"We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex."
This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time.
On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing.
CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1884
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:46:13 -
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Two questions for whichever dev reads this:
1. I assume the PLEX rewards in the recruitment system will get an equal conversion and will give out 500 PLEX in the future?
2. Why go with the PLEX name and not the Aurum name? Aurum makes much more sense as a name for microtransaction currency. PLEX is just... meh.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
65
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:49:36 -
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Dont act like idiots, all that (99%) plex tanked ships were RTM same with injectors etc; The change is just stupid. So every bought plex would change for 500plex? Wtf? For what a reason? |
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Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising The Bastion
62
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:22 -
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Allsales Final wrote:Sullen Decimus wrote:SIEGE RED wrote:Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear. What?? What do you mean "what"? It is all quite odd. Announce a game changing policy on an arbitrary Thursday afternoon and hope the impact is minimized? It was leaked.
What information are you gathering that it was leaked. Point me to the evidence you are referencing.
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Montecore Qubaal
15 Minute Outliers
11
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:36 -
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Please do not call this new currency PLEX. PLEX is not a currency. PLEX mean 30 days of game time. Changing that makes things very confusing and ugly. Also think about all the blogs and other material out there that references 1 PLEX as 30 days of game time.
I feel ripped off that I will receive nothing for the 750 Aurum I got from buying the premium starter pack.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3201
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:53:55 -
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Cearain wrote:Querns wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:pointing out that after these changes, any alpha account is now potentially a cyno alt.
- infinite cyno alts. - infinite research jobs. just plex for an hour to install the jobs - infinite ganking alts. plex each alpha for a couple hours each, and gank a few freighters!
obviously its not literally 'infinite', there is still a limit as to how many computers you have and how many clients each of those can run... but why have 1 account for 30 days when you can have 30 accounts for 1 day?
i dont really see this change as useful. it just obscures the true cost of 30d subscription, and bypasses most of the f2p problems that were previously restricted. and whats the benefit? so you can carry 15 days of gametime in your ibis instead of 30? Nowhere in this dev blog was it stated that you'd be able to redeem one NuPLEX for a tiny slice of game time. It's likely going to be 30 days, or nothing. "We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex." This seems to suggest you can get smaller than 30 days time. On the other hand nothing suggests it will be 30 days or nothing. CCP will lose allot of money if they allow smaller than 30 days time.
Smaller amount for service could also be unrelated to game time. What if they decide to ask for 250 for character remodel because it so very little used now for example? |
Sullen Decimus
Polaris Rising The Bastion
62
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Posted - 2017.03.16 17:56:37 -
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ApexDynamo wrote:This is probally the dumbest thing ive read all day We are going to change 1 plex into 500 plex but will still cost 500 plex for a 1 month sub, So whats the point in changeing it then? item inventory vault 2,700 plex is 5.6B isk you can already get that with 5 plex without clicking quick sell so agen What's the point in changeing it. I do not see any logical factor behind changeing something to a different number when it will still cost the 500 for a 1 month like the 1 month = 1 plex already is :/
Because everything can be purchased with PLEX instead of having to deal with aurum.............
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Twitter: Sullen_Decimus
Tweetfleet: @sullen_decimus
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Kyttn
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
11
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:02:01 -
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"Q: For balances over 1000, will the entire balance be converted or only the amount exceeding 1000? A: The entire balance will be converted. For example, a balance of 1050 Aurum would be converted into 150 PLEX."
Could someone please explain this to me? I don't seem to understand the math here |
MoonDragn
ZiTek
15
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:02:56 -
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Relvin Krirtel wrote:I have issue with in these proposed changes in that PLEX will be safe to access anywhere without risk of transport. There is a wide spectrum of players in the game. You see a great deal who are at times very ignorant of game mechanics. One of the most beautiful aspects of this sandbox is that the consequences of bad decisions are real. It appears that CCP does not want to alienate those who are both ignorant (for whatever excuse) and who also feel justified in that they should be insulated from risk because they have spent money.
The PLEX vault should also not be in the inventory window. For me this takes away from the immersive experience of playing EVE in that I don't want to stare at real world associated money transactions while inside New Eden. I know it is available. I just don't need to see it that frequently. It would be nicer to put any changes into the neocom menu.
Think of it this way, your potential victim will buy a brand spanking new ship that his new plex just brought him and fly out carelessly into low/null sec where you get to gank him for real this time. Win for CCP because the plex was purchased, the newbie got to fly his new ship, abet for a short time, and your gankers got to gank a newbie. No plex was gotten in the cannister so the ganker loses out on a free subscription. More $ for CCP. |
Roland Schlosser
Abyssal Heavy Industries
22
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:05 -
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After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula.
The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
6229
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:29 -
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Def Monk wrote:So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?
One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.
If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.
EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days.
This.
Reducing needless complexity makes sense, adding needless complexity on top of it does not.
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Adolf Mekansm
Tardigrade
28
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:03:36 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX.
This is absolutly illegal in almost every country in the world for every players that have paid for these aurum
If you do that, i'll start a class action and sue you to the european court for theft. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
6229
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Posted - 2017.03.16 18:04:35 -
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Roland Schlosser wrote:After years of trying to kill the price of PLEX on the market, CCP has finally found a winning formula.
The only reason they're doing this is to make the barrier to subbing lower for those casuals they so desperately want playing EVE
And this is bad how?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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