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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:22:39 -
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I, personally am at the end of my rope with Eve. I have played on and off for 4+ years., but I find myself at a crossroads.
Background....
I admit that most of my experiences have been in High Sec. Space.( Mining) Not all of it, but most of it.
I am finding that there are so many Bot fleets and so many Multiboxer fleet around that EvE has become "unfun" to play. I have no problem with the "Ganker" fleets that come and go in Eve. They are a basic part of game play here; I can make, in the context of Eve, a build that works against them, that works, or does not work ; That is what the game is about.....!!!!
What I am having the most difficulty with is the Bot Fleets and the MultiBoxer fleets.........
THERE IS NO "IN GAME" WAY TO DEAL WITH THEM.
They have circumvented the rules of the game, for the average player to compete against them.
On average there is what? 24000 pilots online? With the Botts and the Multiboxers added into this number there is what? only 18000 to 16000 individual players online? (Or less?)
CCP, you want to know why there are fewer number of players involved in Eve now-a-days? Botts and Multiboxers have taken over your game and people see this. No new players are willing to pay a sub fee for an experience that they are doubly penalised against, right off the start.
Multiboxers and Bot fleets, May, pay a sub fee for Some of their accounts, but they are driving away the diversity of the player base. You are losing ground on the diversity of your player base more and more every day. You will not survive on the income provided by Multiboxers and the Bot fleets. This is a very short term gain, and I use the term gain in a sarcastic way. You will reach a tipping point that no MMO can recover from.
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ApexDynamo
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
14
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:29:43 -
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I wish ccp would get rid of bot use in trade hubs, or make a block all button, |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1900
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:32:27 -
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There's two ways to look at this, and sadly they are connected.
1. Without the introduction of PLEX, this game would have probably died off a long time ago due to RMT running rampant. The economy would have been wrecked, players would have quit and CCP could not afford to keep developing the game.
2. PLEX facilitates large scale multi boxing on a scale never seen before PLEX was introduced. It rakes in the cash for CCP so we can keep enjoying the game, but multi boxing is absolutely one of the worst things in EVE at the moment. Sadly it is the lesser of two evils and there is no way CCP will ever limit anyone to x number of accounts when it creates this much revenue.
I agree though, seeing a single guy vacuuming up an asteroid belt with 20 accounts is pretty frustrating. And I wish there was something that could be done about it. But alas, there is not. As long as it is profitable and practical to PLEX 20 accounts in one way or another, people will be doing it.
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:49:51 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:There's two ways to look at this, and sadly they are connected.
1. Without the introduction of PLEX, this game would have probably died off a long time ago due to RMT running rampant. The economy would have been wrecked, players would have quit and CCP could not afford to keep developing the game.
2. PLEX facilitates large scale multi boxing on a scale never seen before PLEX was introduced. It rakes in the cash for CCP so we can keep enjoying the game, but multi boxing is absolutely one of the worst things in EVE at the moment. Sadly it is the lesser of two evils and there is no way CCP will ever limit anyone to x number of accounts when it creates this much revenue.
I agree though, seeing a single guy vacuuming up an asteroid belt with 20 accounts is pretty frustrating. And I wish there was something that could be done about it. But alas, there is not. As long as it is profitable and practical to PLEX 20 accounts in one way or another, people will be doing it.
I really hate to say this, but it seems...... The only thing a person can do is multibox as much as the guy next to you or suffer the consequences.... But all that does is keep Eve on life support... No brain function just the heart and lungs being artificially kept alive.... |
Voddick
AFK
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:50:33 -
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@Trebon,
I know how you feel. Back when IS boxer was still authorized I used to mine belt ice, there was a 25 pilot fleet that would warp in unison and start/stop in the same instant. I was really disenfranchised as a miner after seeing that.
I petitioned the user, but then deleted it before a GM response. Instead, I EVEmailed the pilot (1 of 25) and started a convo. Basically, I realized that he was maximizing his hardware and running as many accounts as he could to maximize isk.
Long story short: EVE was a large part of his life. ... very large.
Mom always said: "there is always someone better, faster, smarter, or stronger. Just be the best person you can be and stop worrying about everyone else."
I almost lost interest in EVE after that...especially after reading on EVE News24 about a bitter ratting billions each day with a new injector type bot...I forget the name.
What helped me was I remembered that EVE is different for everyone. I enjoy playing my character for who he is. I achieve goals and have no doubt outlasted countless bots and burned out multi boxers. (I did quit for two years due to RL). But here I am, enjoying my slice of New Eden along with the 100 or 18,000 other actual humans playing the game. In the end, there is nothing else like EVE. No game comes close. You are already a part of it wheather you quit forever or my one on to a major null industry corp. Just enjoy the game...it's fun and beautiful. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
445
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:51:52 -
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Can't you just shoot him or something?
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:54:17 -
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Dark Lord Trump wrote:Can't you just shoot him or something?
place a bounty on each of his 10 member fleet, then go after him.... This might be an option... |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
445
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:57:19 -
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Trebon Luap wrote:Dark Lord Trump wrote:Can't you just shoot him or something? place a bounty on each of his 10 member fleet, then go after him.... This might be an option... Don't bother with bounties, they're a waste of money. Just nuke him.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
566
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:13:18 -
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This topic has been going on and on forever in eve, multi boxers ruining the game, so every so often someone or group gears up and doo doo's on offensive mining ships, and for years James 415 or something and the cool-aid drinkers have been pooing all over this "Menace" to the game...but as always things just keep going, miners mine and multi boxers box and the same topic comes up and the gankers gank, bottom line is that you shouldn't let it bother you and carry on, there's a multitude of ways to make ISK, but if mining is the only thing you do you need to get outside of the box of caldari space and you will find your socks. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1154
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:13:34 -
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If mining wasn't possible to do while in coma than i hazard to guess seeing 20 alts sucking belt away wouldn't be that much of an issue.
you don't see 20 alts running l4 mission
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:20:18 -
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Piugattuk wrote:This topic has been going on and on forever in eve, multi boxers ruining the game, so every so often someone or group gears up and doo doo's on offensive mining ships, and for years James 415 or something and the cool-aid drinkers have been pooing all over this "Menace" to the game...but as always things just keep going, miners mine and multi boxers box and the same topic comes up and the gankers gank, bottom line is that you shouldn't let it bother you and carry on, there's a multitude of ways to make ISK, but if mining is the only thing you do you need to get outside of the box of caldari space and you will find your rocks.
And as the sub base has gone down in the same time frame.... would you you not say that the issue is not playing out?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47335
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:22:35 -
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TBH, leave highsec and go try something else in the game.
I'm not saying that in any anti-highsec or anti-mining sense; just in the sense that if something frustrating, a change is as good as a holiday.
There are a lot of other activities to do in the game and lots of other space to explore and learn about.
No need to let others **** you off, when you can do something else entirely and not be bothered by them at all. |
Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:22:42 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:If mining wasn't possible to do while in coma than i hazard to guess seeing 20 alts sucking belt away wouldn't be that much of an issue. you don't see 20 alts running l4 mission
Correct, but it is an aspect of EvE that is affected; an aspect that ties into all other aspects of Eve, as all the game is connected in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways.
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:24:47 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:TBH, leave highsec and go try something else in the game.
I'm not saying that in any anti-highsec or anti-mining sense; just in the sense that if something frustrating, a change is as good as a holiday.
There are a lot of other activities to do in the game and lots of other space to explore and learn about.
No need to let others **** you off, when you can do something else entirely and not be bothered by them at all.
I can't argue against what you say, but to ignore a problem,is it not just as damaging as taking part in the offence?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47335
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:27:27 -
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Trebon Luap wrote:I can't argue against what you say, but to ignore a problem,is it not just as damaging as taking part in the offence?
Why is it a problem though, except in terms of creating frustration for you? |
Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:30:21 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Trebon Luap wrote:I can't argue against what you say, but to ignore a problem,is it not just as damaging as taking part in the offence?
Why is it a problem though, except in terms of creating frustration for you?
If this was just affecting me I would not of even posted in the forum.
If You have not been affected by this though, do you have a basis for a reply to this topic?
As https://forums.eveonline.com/profile/Piugattuk said., this is an ongoing issue.
Issues need to be discussed, don't they? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47335
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:35:03 -
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Trebon Luap wrote:If You have not been affected by this though, do you have a basis for a reply to this topic? Ah ok.
Sorry, I didn't realise asking a question to try to understand would be a problem and I have no basis for asking for information.
Fair enough. Hope you find what you are looking for out of this thread. |
Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
4
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:38:31 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Trebon Luap wrote:If You have not been affected by this though, do you have a basis for a reply to this topic? Ah ok. Sorry, I didn't realise asking a question to try to understand would be a problem and I have no basis for asking for information. Fair enough. Hope you find what you are looking for out of this thread.
Sorry if i misunderstood your question, but it came across as more of a dismissal of my concerns than of an actual quest for information.
As for the "problem" please read my OP. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
680
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:39:27 -
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making mining more interactive can resolve this problem? basically changing the "semi-afk" style that is required right now to mine :)
through minigames or whatever |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1156
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:40:02 -
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Trebon Luap wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:If mining wasn't possible to do while in coma than i hazard to guess seeing 20 alts sucking belt away wouldn't be that much of an issue. you don't see 20 alts running l4 mission Correct, but it is an aspect of EvE that is affected; an aspect that ties into all other aspects of Eve, as all the game is connected in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways.
What i am saying is to change mining game play that require you to use your keyboard and mice and brain cells at the same time and alt mining will drop due to it not being easy to do any more thru game mechanic not nerfs limitations or you know removing mining from high sec nothing moronic like that.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1904
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:40:45 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:If mining wasn't possible to do while in coma than i hazard to guess seeing 20 alts sucking belt away wouldn't be that much of an issue. you don't see 20 alts running l4 mission
That's why I said "as long as it's practical". Not to mention the majority of these f*cksticks still use ISBoxer anyway, no matter how illegal it is. Commanding 20 accounts manually, even if it's just mining, is no easy task and I refuse to believe people do that entirely by hand. That's also where some of the frustration comes from. Even after the hurf blurf against ISBoxer by CCP, it's still basically cheating.
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:43:11 -
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Soel Reit wrote:making mining more interactive can resolve this problem? basically changing the "semi-afk" style that is required right now to mine :)
through minigames or whatever
As others have posted that mining is a coma operation.... this idea has merit. Again as posted above one person posted " you don't see L4 missions being done by bots and multiboxers"... There may need to be an addition to mining to curtail th eA.F.K. part of this. |
Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:53:44 -
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A lot of peeps have multi accounts for logistics operations. A game without the local eyes and cyno alt would be much more interesting if the jump mechanic was done on by activing map pinpoints. |
Kapricani
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:57:48 -
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7 years ago when i quit eve it was an issue. Multiboxing was a huge thing and there was hulkageddon as a reaction of players for that. The same solutions were proposed like "make mining more of an activity then afk brain dead zombie thing." And yet 7 years have passed and here we are.
This issue is still annoying me in this game. I came back here because of friends that wanted to try eve out but this issue is making me question buying omega anytime soon.
Its clear that CCP does not want to resolve it. and somehow i suspect that multiboxing is build in to the economy now. I bet its one of the reasons they need those economists to balance the market because the raw materials are just too damn cheap. |
Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
4
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:02:10 -
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Kapricani wrote:7 years ago when i quit eve it was an issue. Multiboxing was a huge thing and there was hulkageddon as a reaction of players for that. The same solutions were proposed like "make mining more of an activity then afk brain dead zombie thing." And yet 7 years have passed and here we are.
This issue is still annoying me in this game. I came back here because of friends that wanted to try eve out but this issue is making me question buying omega anytime soon.
Its clear that CCP does not want to resolve it. and somehow i suspect that multiboxing is build in to the economy now. I bet its one of the reasons they need those economists to balance the market because the raw materials are just too damn cheap.
I do understand that Eve is a Player Built Economy and that the raw resources are what drives this, at the most basic point, but is CPP allowing this issue to continue simply because of the drop in the player base and if they were to actually "do something" about it would crash the economy?
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TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:20:04 -
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Don't know much about bots but I am a multi-boxer, three accounts, 7 characters, bunch of ships. On my fourth year with three home built computers and the reason for the three accounts was to fly three ships simultaneously, run specialized characters and yes, have fun with it. Thing is, there are advantages and disadvantages to multi-ship operation. Hi-sec mining is about the only place where multi-ship ops really work; I fly a couple Skiffs and chase cans and rat kills with a freighter.
Three Skiffs in a worm hole can work, right up until it doesn't work. Biggest problem is running three ships in a firefight, especially when I'm not the greatest PvP pilot in the 'Verse. Big heart breaker: Losing three high end ships with three high end fits, think Legion, Dominix NI and a Rapier, all within about a horrifying five minutes. But I'm working on different tactics and so maybe next time out I can do better.
I like the small, routine advantages of multi-boxing. Either selling ore/minerals, rat loot and stuff or buying fit modules, many times the best price is in lo-sec or even in null-sec and I like being able to run an Ares or Nemesis on a scout mission before going in with the big bucks.
Thing is, if the bots and the gankers and even the over aggressive cowboys next door get on your nerves you can always move. There are quiet systems with all the services and asteroid belts you could ask for, and while not exactly safe (nowhere in Eve is exactly safe) the characters that inhabit these systems tend to be a bit more laid back than the more excitable denizens of what usually winds up having high percentages of noobs in house.
I've moved twice in four years, and while my current home is working out rather well if it goes sour then I can move again.
And while I realize there as many ways to play this game as there are players I've never understood the obsession with maximizing ISK/hr, seems like a stressed out job, and I've had enough of those. I play to have fun, and when I don't especially feel logging on then I don't.
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Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
4
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:33:57 -
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TackyTachy1 wrote:Don't know much about bots but I am a multi-boxer, three accounts, 7 characters, bunch of ships. On my fourth year with three home built computers and the reason for the three accounts was to fly three ships simultaneously, run specialized characters and yes, have fun with it. Thing is, there are advantages and disadvantages to multi-ship operation. Hi-sec mining is about the only place where multi-ship ops really work; I fly a couple Skiffs and chase cans and rat kills with a freighter.
Three Skiffs in a worm hole can work, right up until it doesn't work. Biggest problem is running three ships in a firefight, especially when I'm not the greatest PvP pilot in the 'Verse. Big heart breaker: Losing three high end ships with three high end fits, think Legion, Dominix NI and a Rapier, all within about a horrifying five minutes. But I'm working on different tactics and so maybe next time out I can do better.
I like the small, routine advantages of multi-boxing. Either selling ore/minerals, rat loot and stuff or buying fit modules, many times the best price is in lo-sec or even in null-sec and I like being able to run an Ares or Nemesis on a scout mission before going in with the big bucks.
Thing is, if the bots and the gankers and even the over aggressive cowboys next door get on your nerves you can always move. There are quiet systems with all the services and asteroid belts you could ask for, and while not exactly safe (nowhere in Eve is exactly safe) the characters that inhabit these systems tend to be a bit more laid back than the more excitable denizens of what usually winds up having high percentages of noobs in house.
I've moved twice in four years, and while my current home is working out rather well if it goes sour then I can move again.
And while I realize there as many ways to play this game as there are players I've never understood the obsession with maximizing ISK/hr, seems like a stressed out job, and I've had enough of those. I play to have fun, and when I don't especially feel logging on then I don't.
To be fair, in my opinion, What you are doing, running three ships at once is not the problem. To simply put a number on it... when a multiboxer is running seven or more ships at the same time, that is when things take a turn for the worst. Multiboxing at the higher numbers just destroys the concept of Eve; or any other MMO for that matter.
I can watch a Corp. hit an Ice belt with 30+ members and have no ill feelings toward the players, but when I know a Multiboxer is at a belt and harvesting all the materials, I get a bad taste in my mouth. The Corp. members are and will bring so much more to the game simply because they are a diverse group of people interacting in the game world. Massive Multiboxers are just a bad sign that a game has gone down a undesirable path that can lead to ruin.
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Vash Bloodstone
The Chiaotzu Doctrine
28
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:46:36 -
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You've played this game 4 years, supposedly, and than you see this multi-box fleet and now your at the end of your rope? You about to quit now? Sounds to me, like you not having fun and you were eventually going to quit Eve anyway and this multi-box fleet is just a excuse. Ask yourself, why did you mine in the first place? Do you even like mining? If you do, you shouldn't be so concerned with what others are doing. The other guy is probably spending a lot of time and resources to multi-box. He is making a trade-off, that you haven't made. It may not ideal that he could be using real life money to get ahead. But who wants to spend lots of money on this game anyway? That's no accomplishment. Instead, focus on why your playing. If your playing for fun, than your good, but if your mining just to earn isk, than not only are you a fool, but your doomed to failure. Chasing isk, especially by mining will only lead to disappointment. It is my belief that the true measure of success in Eve is not how much isk you have, but how much fun you have. If your not having fun, than maybe you should just quit. |
Trebon Luap
Hard Rock Mining Inc.
4
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:09:43 -
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Vash Bloodstone wrote:You've played this game 4 years, supposedly, and than you see this multi-box fleet and now your at the end of your rope? You about to quit now? Sounds to me, like you not having fun and you were eventually going to quit Eve anyway and this multi-box fleet is just a excuse. Ask yourself, why did you mine in the first place? Do you even like mining? If you do, you shouldn't be so concerned with what others are doing. The other guy is probably spending a lot of time and resources to multi-box. He is making a trade-off, that you haven't made. It may not ideal that he could be using real life money to get ahead. But who wants to spend lots of money on this game anyway? That's no accomplishment. Instead, focus on why your playing. If your playing for fun, than your good, but if your mining just to earn isk, than not only are you a fool, but your doomed to failure. Chasing isk, especially by mining will only lead to disappointment. It is my belief that the true measure of success in Eve is not how much isk you have, but how much fun you have. If your not having fun, than maybe you should just quit.
You are oversimplifying this issue. The multiboxing and botting fleets are becoming more and more prevalent in "day-to-day" game play. This is not some ad hoc issue that I just decided to start posting about after four years of game play. Yes, I am considering letting my sub run out and not re-upping because I see no real tangible effort from CCP to actually engage the issue; other than some random bans (so they say) from time to time, with no noticeable effect in the actual game play . No, not just from my first hand experience, but from the many other people I interact with in game.
For you to say that I need to feel for some multiboxer that is at the heart of this issue.... I say huh? what? The actions they are taking are what I am against and the question being....if what they are doing is ruining Eve? I would not of kept playing Eve if I did not enjoy it on some level. So I say you make assumptions. You call me a fool? What? You call me a Fool for discussing a topic on a forum set up to discuss issues people have concern with...? Again Huh? What?
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Aitu
Foo Holdings AL3XAND3R.
7
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:13:29 -
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I've never found this game entertaining when just running one client. Everything's slower and more frustrating. I manually multi box but I would love to see how far I could take scripting and botting. I'd love it if they allowed all kinds of botting since I feel like CCP just tries to look the other way if they can anyway. |
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