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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberyya Za
Quote: Guess we're back to killrights as a commodity then as there seems to be no way to counter this suicide gank.
The damage comes from drones. Kill the drones (smartbomb) or disrupt the drones (ECM burst). Concord will eventually deal with the aggressor.
Have you used either in empire space?
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:19:00 -
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have you thought of joining a corp or alliance that could offer a protecting fleet?
MMORPG != solo
Recruiting Terrorists
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:23:00 -
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Did I misread the patch notes, or is it not the case that dropped cans from a freighter can only be picked up by another freighter?
Also, why Dominix's? Why not torpedo ravens?
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire High sec freighters griefing has to stop.
Have you been bashed on the head or summat? You've had a major personality change.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:26:00 -
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Domis because -Theyre cheap, a full suicide fitting means you only lose like 15mil isk if fully insured -Drones keep shooting even after concord shows up and jams and all that -Domis do massive damage without high skill requirements _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux Domis because -Theyre cheap, a full suicide fitting means you only lose like 15mil isk if fully insured -Drones keep shooting even after concord shows up and jams and all that -Domis do massive damage without high skill requirements
Ah, thanks for the explanation, I never realised concord jammed as well as bottom barbecuing!
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Scorched Evil
The Silent Rage
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:28:00 -
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If his unpleasant combat experience in empire has enlightened the rest of you to the grim finish under the glossy veneer of industrial life... then his destruction carries with it an inherent nobility. you say poor carebear... I say, poor us.
Workers Rep. Pirate Union, Local 1337
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:29:00 -
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As I have pointed out before, I abhor the idea of a coordinated fleet of 10 or more battleships being able to take on 1 person flying a defenseless ship alone and being able to win, suffering only the complete loss of the fleet. This is obviously unbalanced.
However, sarcasm aside, it'll be nice to see prices rise, more holes in the market for the little people to fill. -
You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire High sec freighters griefing has to stop.
Have you been bashed on the head or summat? You've had a major personality change.
It's not the same Jenny. She sold her character to a carebear.
As for freighter "griefing" (lol)... get an escort, don't afk, don't load your hauler with billions of isk if you're not sure... basically just be smart. Hisec isn't the no-pvp zone that many of you seem to believe.
Then again, you carebears cry about it enough and CCP will no doubt change the rules just as they did with wardecs.
You know you're successful in this game when you get nerfed.
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Anson Halleck
Lost Eden
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:36:00 -
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How exactly escort helps? It took them 38 seconds.
Not moving lot of stuff in freighter? Well they were made for that.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Anson Halleck How exactly escort helps? It took them 38 seconds.
Not moving lot of stuff in freighter? Well they were made for that.
shield xfer arrays!
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Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:08:00 -
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Hmm...CCP could introduce cargo insurance. Because you know if they boost anything in EVE besides combat ships and modules gankers will cry that they can't BBQ a Freighter or Industrial in 38 seconds or less.
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:12:00 -
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I can't believe there's so much whining about this...
1. There are in game counters for a suicide gank. Remote repping BSs. They are a pain to always have to have around, but those are the facts.
2. There is an even better way to protect oneself. That is to keep an escort in the same corp as you with you at all times. That escort need not be big. 2 BS will suffice. The job of the escort is to guard the wreck of the freighter, as they can shoot anyone looting from it. The real job of the escort is to dissuade suicide gankers, as the gankers can't be sure to make any profit if they can't loot the wreck in peace.
3. Those of you saying "Oh well, CCP will nerf this as they did to the Privateers", I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. CCP knew what they where doing when they introduced loot dropping freighters. The era of safe NPC freighters is over. The new era takes a modicum of coordination.
I suppose this will all fall on deaf ears, as most people don't want to take in game measures to protect their assets. They'd rather have CCP nerf all combat in high sec so it becomes the paradise every carebear dreams of.
/Ki
Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
clone 1
Caldari The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An I can't believe there's so much whining about this...
1. There are in game counters for a suicide gank. Remote repping BSs. They are a pain to always have to have around, but those are the facts.
2. There is an even better way to protect oneself. That is to keep an escort in the same corp as you with you at all times. That escort need not be big. 2 BS will suffice. The job of the escort is to guard the wreck of the freighter, as they can shoot anyone looting from it. The real job of the escort is to dissuade suicide gankers, as the gankers can't be sure to make any profit if they can't loot the wreck in peace.
3. Those of you saying "Oh well, CCP will nerf this as they did to the Privateers", I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. CCP knew what they where doing when they introduced loot dropping freighters. The era of safe NPC freighters is over. The new era takes a modicum of coordination.
I suppose this will all fall on deaf ears, as most people don't want to take in game measures to protect their assets. They'd rather have CCP nerf all combat in high sec so it becomes the paradise every carebear dreams of.
/Ki
QFT. This answer is good enough to be a dev response.
Always Moaning About Race Retardations |
Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:17:00 -
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I wonder, who'd be interested in a freighter-popping IPO? I can't afford to buy quite that many domis myself, but it could easily be achieved ------ Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant tanking |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:45:00 -
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i think the real outcome has gone over most peoples heads ...
more profitable to gank industrials now than ever before !
mainly ITERON V because every newb will be trying to get the most cargospace ( even tho that ship will be the biggest target compared to other industrials carrying 40-50% less) with the mineral compression items and so forth and it takes a lot less to kill
i think we should make a contest for who can get the most industrial kills in 0.5+ in one day and counting in multiples of 5 (if tied prize would get split) would really make people go at it !
____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:45:00 -
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Provided i am bored enough by the time they cave in to the insane carebear whining, i am going to get 10 accounts with freighter alts, set random waypoints in empire and go do something else while they slowly travel the universe: Character names: "lol afk money" "foidjfdsjfjfdl" "freighter bot01" "freighter bot02" "freighter bot03" "love rose" "[something that sounds chinese]" "50b ISK inside" (going to put 10 Covetor BPOS and a couple t2 BPOS inside and go afk in Jita at a gate). "2b/day afk" (doubt it would be possible with 10 freighters, but truth != fun) any other suggestions for "empire freighter griefing"?
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:46:00 -
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Meh.
People will moan
Carebears will whine.
The price of logistics ships will increase a bit (yes,that's a hint)
Eve will continue.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Provided i am bored enough by the time they cave in to the insane carebear whining, i am going to get 10 accounts with freighter alts, set random waypoints in empire and go do something else while they slowly travel the universe: Character names: "lol afk money" "foidjfdsjfjfdl" "freighter bot01" "freighter bot02" "freighter bot03" "love rose" "[something that sounds chinese]" "50b ISK inside" (going to put 10 Covetor BPOS and a couple t2 BPOS inside and go afk in Jita at a gate). "2b/day afk" (doubt it would be possible with 10 freighters, but truth != fun) any other suggestions for "empire freighter griefing"?
that would make me rofl ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
Delilah Blackheart
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:31:00 -
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I happened to fly through shortly after it happened - there were still pods of the attackers sitting there...
CONCORD convention
Someone in local said they had looted a lot of faction modules from the freighter wreck. I happened to scavenge a bunch of Dual 250mm Railguns and the same types of armor and shield hardeners (looks like most of the fleet were fitted identically) from the attacker's cans (someone must have already salvaged the wrecks). Apparently a squad (4) of the attackers warped to Niarja I before CONCORD destroyed them, so I had those unmolested wrecks to pick through as well.
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire High sec freighters griefing has to stop.
QFT
Ships destroyed by concord should not get insurance payout.
Solved.
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:46:00 -
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this shows you how pathetic people are getting in this game. How the hell are you supposed to protect a freighter in high sec?
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Athena Attom
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:59:00 -
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HELLO WHO SHOT THE FREIGHTER? COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE CORP SO I DONT DIE! Sorry for caps, hope that got your attention peoeple seem to want to moan more than discuss... fix it dont nerf it. |
Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.05.05 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Arron S this shows you how pathetic people are getting in this game. How the hell are you supposed to protect a freighter in high sec?
Or low sec for that matter. If concord can't take out a gank squad, I don't see any reasonable fleet doing so. That's just a gone freighter if you want it dead.
Just cut our losses, give it slots like a big indy and add in a jump drive hauler from ore. Hauler-carriers make me ill.
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.05 01:01:00 -
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Does this mean that if I undock my Rattlesnake in hisec, it might be ganked by randoms on the off chance it contains faction loot? Fantastic.
P.S: I sold it, don't bother with the locators. ---
Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.05.05 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Arron S on 05/05/2007 01:10:02 anyway, Heres how you fix it, jack up the prices of ships, start selling Domi's for 100 million isk, Megathron for 150 million, etc.
Carebears have that power, so remember that,.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.05 01:42:00 -
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Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt If theres 40 battleships hugging a gate on a pipe in high sec they probably arent running missions or picnicking.
Freighter loot is a good thing.
Risk/reward etc.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.05.05 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt If theres 40 battleships hugging a gate on a pipe in high sec they probably arent running missions or picnicking.
Freighter loot is a good thing.
Risk/reward etc.
This is the mentality killing eve. All the alts are taking newbie jobs. Send the alts back to Altico where they belong.
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Gavin Darklighter
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Posted - 2007.05.05 02:48:00 -
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Killing a frieghter like this takes 15 battleship pilots to group up, get intel on a target, coordinate an attack, and lose their ships and sec status for potentialy no gain. Ballanced? I think so. Fair for the frieghter pilot? Maybe not, but being "unfair" is what makes EvE special.
The only problem I've ever had with suicide ganking is when ppl use disposable alts. Its hard to recycle a domi pilot, you have to grind away your crimes.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.05 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Borizkova
Originally by: umop 3pisdn Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt Get a scout alt If theres 40 battleships hugging a gate on a pipe in high sec they probably arent running missions or picnicking.
Freighter loot is a good thing.
Risk/reward etc.
This is the mentality killing eve. All the alts are taking newbie jobs. Send the alts back to Altico where they belong.
Explain how? Get a scout alt, get a friend, dont autopilot and your freighters safety goes up 900%
Furthermore... not carrying 20bil around does help. If its not worth throwing away 15-30 battleships over then you have to do something really bad to get attacked.
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