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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14840
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:35:42 -
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Hello everyone and happy random unremarkable Saturday!
Today we're revealing the full bonuses and stats for the three new ships being released by CONCORD Aerospace. These will be the first CONCORD built ships to enter capsuleer hands.
These three ships will first be available as a special addition for those capsuleers who attend some of the big EVE events in 2017. The Pacifier Covert Ops Frigate will be released to all capsuleers who attend Fanfest next week. The Enforcer Force Recon Cruiser will be released to all capsuleers who booked their Fanfest ticket before January 1st 2017. The Marshal Black Ops Battleship will be released to all capsuleers who attend both Fanfest 2017 and EVE Vegas 2017. The goal with this release method isn't to get people to buy tickets just to get these ships alone (they're not anywhere near worth that kind of money) but to provide a nice extra "thank you" to the community members who attend these amazing events and potentially give the little extra push to someone who's on the fence about attending.
After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
These ships are special edition Faction T2 vessels that require all four of their appropriate racial skills at level one, as well as the appropriate T2 skill.
As many of you have already noticed, these ships are coming with a stunning visual redesign of the CONCORD ship hulls. The new Marshal model isn't complete (it won't be released until after Vegas) but I've included links to screenshots of the Pacifier and Enforcer taken by Makoto Priano.
These ships are intended to be of moderate power (not too strong so we avoid P2W concerns) but with a very unique character that matches their origin with the technology of CONCORD. They have a number of strengths: They are extremely flexible in fitting choices with bonuses to every weapon system (except for drones) They have significantly more slots than is usual for their class They receive a bonus to warp speed and acceleration The Enforcer and Marshal receive bonuses to tackle range Pilots will gain security status faster than normal if they kill NPC pirates while flying these ships Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness They also come with a few disadvantages: Below average speed and agility Their DPS isn't anything special None of these ships have drone bays Without further ado, here's the bonuses and stats!
PACIFIER Caldari Frigate bonus per level: 5% bonus to Rocket Launcher and Light Missile Launcher rate of fire 10% bonus to Rocket and Light Missile flight time Amarr Frigate bonus per level: 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range Gallente Frigate bonus per level: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage 7.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret tracking speed Minmatar Frigate bonus per level: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage 10% bonus to Small Projectile Turret falloff range Covert Ops bonus per level: 10% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength 10% reduction in Survey Probe flight time 10% bonus to warp speed and acceleration Role Bonus: 100% reduction in Cloaking device CPU requirements 10+ bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds +10% Security Status gains from destruction of non-capsuleer pirates while flying this ship Armor Repairer and Shield Booster effectiveness increased by a percentage equal to 10x pilot security status, with a floor of 0% and ceiling of 50%
Slot layout: 4H, 4M, 4L; 3 turrets, 3 launchers Fittings: 50 PWG, 200 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500 / 500 / 200 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 33 / 33 / 33 / 33 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 33 / 33 / 33 / 33 Capacitor (amount / recharge / cap per second) : 350 / 175s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 300 / 3.7 / 1,300,000 / 6.67s Base Warp Speed: 8 au/s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km / 800 / 7 Sensor strength: 25 Gravimetric Signature radius: 30
ENFORCER Caldari Cruiser bonus per level: 5% bonus to Heavy Missile Launcher, Heavy Assault Missile Launcher and Rapid Light Missile Launcher rate of fire 10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile flight time Amarr Cruiser bonus per level: 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage 10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range Gallente Cruiser bonus per level: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed Minmatar Cruiser bonus per level: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff range Recon Ships bonus per level: 20% bonus to Stasis Webifier range 10% bonus to Warp Disruptor and Scrambler range 10% bonus to warp speed and acceleration Role Bonus: 100% reduction in Cloaking device CPU requirements Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds 80% reduction in Cynosural Field Generator liquid ozone consumption 50% reduction in Cynosural Field Generator duration +10% Security Status gains from destruction of non-capsuleer pirates while flying this ship Armor Repairer and Shield Booster effectiveness increased by a percentage equal to 10x pilot security status, with a floor of 0% and ceiling of 50%
Slot layout: 6H, 4M, 4L; 4 turrets, 4 launchers Fittings: 1100 PWG, 500 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1800 / 1800 / 600 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 33 / 33 / 33 / 33 Base armor resist...
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14840
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:36:03 -
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Reserved
Game Designer | Team Five-0
Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
75
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:46:57 -
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Dear CCP, if these ships are allowed in AT you have just doomed all our pilots to somehow getting (and keeping) a plus five sec status. Your chances of getting a beer from any of them at the next meetup may have declined somewhat:)
Fingers crossed for April fools..
Bloody hell, another eve blog! http://johnnytwelvebore.wordpress.com
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
880
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:51:03 -
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As long as I can get these without having to take time off work and or fly somewhere then I'm down.
As strength goes.
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MechaJeb Kerman
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
23
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:52:47 -
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Rig slots and calibration?
I'll crudely Photoshop an image of Helen Thomas onto a picture of your choosing for 30m. PM me.
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
361
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:53:08 -
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That sec status bonus ! |
Capqu
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1307
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Posted - 2017.04.01 15:56:43 -
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please add bomb launcher to the frigate, no damage bonus just the ability to fit it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Planet 6
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
14
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Posted - 2017.04.01 16:23:55 -
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rf point + fn web + rapid lights + links + enforcer = very balanced
thats 1 recipe for chaos |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20891
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Posted - 2017.04.01 16:25:21 -
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01-04
Nice try fuzzy.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
Lords.Of.Midnight currently recruiting
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
393
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Posted - 2017.04.01 16:27:58 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The goal with this release method isn't to get people to buy tickets just to get these ships alone Good one.
PS. Free Stunt |
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2838
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Posted - 2017.04.01 16:32:22 -
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Little surprised you're adding a "faction" blackops after denying the Nestor the role for so long.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Anthar Thebess
1691
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:01:03 -
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Nice. I see we will finally get CONCORD fixed in higsec. This bug with this ships capable of killing any thing was very annoying.
Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists
Show your support to The Cause!
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Nydia Winters
Hoplite Brigade Ushra'Khan
1
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:13:45 -
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Anyone else notice it's April 1st? i.e. April fools. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9452
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:18:44 -
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Hey, look! Muh pictures! :D Otherwise, so glad I'll be at Fanfest to score these. :D
That said, these are actually likely the real stats. This more or less matches what we've found on Singularity, and there are new sec status-related tags in the DB that we've not yet been able to suss out.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
868
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:34:48 -
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What about us Mystery Code Holders?
We haven't received anything in the past 2 years!
I'm also gonna reference this...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5jc7lv/another_victim_of_ccp_found_dead/dbf2mye/
CCP Falcon wrote: I've said more than once that when we have something cool to give out with the mystery code, then we'll do so.
This is a great time to give us some long awaited rewards for shelling out cash for this!
Or just flat out admit it's been abandoned a long time ago! |
Trespasser
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
74
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:34:58 -
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so assuming this isn't an april fools troll post, then what is the jump range of the battleship?
If it gets a 75% reduction and can fit the portal gen, then it must have a jump drive... so what is its base range? |
Jia Lan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:36:51 -
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Are you also going to devalue these after-the-fact like you did the Quafe Megathrons from EVE Vegas a few years ago? |
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
868
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:39:43 -
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Nydia Winters wrote:Anyone else notice it's April 1st? i.e. April fools. Yes it's April fools day, but this has been in the works for a long time...you know, just kinda CCP's 20th anniversary and whatnot... |
Panther X
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
119
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:50:04 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Nice. I see we will finally get CONCORD fixed in higsec. This bug with this ships capable of killing any thing was very annoying.
No, this is the decommissioned version. CONCORD still OP in highsec.
My Titan smells of rich Corinthian Leather...
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Wallyx
Gloryhole Initiative HISPANIA.
0
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:52:34 -
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I dont know if this is April Fools or not, but... Did you employ Hiigaran Engineers?? Those ships remind me of Hiigaran Fighters, not because are the same; they are not; but because they have the same style. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1984
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:56:40 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Nice. I see we will finally get CONCORD fixed in higsec. This bug with this ships capable of killing any thing was very annoying.
CONCORD will still OWN you.
The quantities of those will be limited very much ?
Frigates will be out in May update ?
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
762
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:58:27 -
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No DD mount? I'm disappointed.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Grarr Dexx
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
455
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:20:59 -
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Quote:Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness
Please be joking. |
Bertral
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:24:49 -
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When was the last time you released a combat ship that could be built ?
I'm not looking forward to flying a ship that will get harder and harder to buy or replace. It's even more insulting if I actually like the ships themselves. |
OldMan Stone
Solitude Ore
0
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:26:03 -
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nothing for the mystery code?
maybe give also to the people who got it? if its not to much to ask |
Cade Windstalker
1209
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:28:38 -
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Nydia Winters wrote:Anyone else notice it's April 1st? i.e. April fools.
CCP don't generally jerk around with threads on here. Note there's no thread for the "Corpse Collector" thingy they "announced". That's the actual April Fools joke. |
The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
342
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:42:36 -
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Wait the Concord ships we get are going to be the new hulls? Are you ******* kidding? |
Romana Erebus
Syndicate Enterprise Northern Coalition.
60
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Posted - 2017.04.01 18:49:25 -
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Will go to all the eve things for one unit of Eidolon. |
Zircon Dasher
351
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:13:01 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello everyone and happy random unremarkable Saturday!
Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness notsureifserious.png
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1984
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:13:36 -
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Romana Erebus wrote:Will go to all the eve things for one unit of Eidolon. Did you read one of the last chronicles... the Jovians are gone.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Logan Jakal
Blue Sun. DARKNESS.
21
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:18:52 -
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Well, now at least we know where CCP throws their money in, drugs.
I really hope you guys are joking, because... Just no, please, don't do this. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1355
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:36:51 -
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Cool
@lunettelulu7
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
742
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:41:57 -
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I know everyone is waiting anxiously for feedback from the CEO of EVE's #1 covert ops corporation.
Here it is: These ships are too interesting and unique to be limited only to players who have excess dollars and PTOs to spare on exotic, live EVE events.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be limited. But there's a difference between Genolution limited and "I had a couple thousand dollars lying around, so now I own this ship" limited.
You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
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Logan Jakal
Blue Sun. DARKNESS.
21
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Posted - 2017.04.01 20:51:07 -
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Quote:These ships are intended to be of moderate power (not too strong so we avoid P2W concerns)
I might be mistaking, but looking at the layout and stats of the Marshal, you screwed the P2W pretty good since it looks OP as ****. |
Jadek Kin
Incorruptibles
89
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:06:47 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:Quote:Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness
Please be joking. I like the sound of this mechanic. Would certainly be interested in CCP adding negative sec status bonuses to existing pirate ships down the line.
@JadekMenaheim
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Crimson Draufgange
Black Wolf Syndicate Cosa Nostra.
1072
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:07:08 -
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WTB Picture for the Marshall BLOPs!
My Velator is overpowered.
"I use my hairgel to tackle my targets because it has a long lasting firm hold." - Me.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1636
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:24:19 -
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Truly, we can now be real police officers!
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2853
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:32:30 -
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[quote=CCP Fozzie] After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
[quote]
This is the only part of this Dev Blog I like. It really bothers me that CCP adds cool things that are not generally available to anyone simply for playing Eve online.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Zircon Dasher
351
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Posted - 2017.04.01 21:49:39 -
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Assuming no-AFD: Requiring standings to maximize ship performance is a seriously janky mechanic.
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
92
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Posted - 2017.04.01 23:38:06 -
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Faction blops is just too good to be true.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Vatik Yomem
Decompression Theory Digital Vendetta
0
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:15:42 -
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Crimson Draufgange wrote:WTB Picture for the Marshall BLOPs!
AFAIK it's the current regular CONCORD Battleship model, super excited.
CCP Fozzie wrote:After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
Seriously? Hopefully not only events as I'm to poor to go to them and too dumb to RMT ;_; |
Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
57
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:24:30 -
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Really hope it's a joke.. |
Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:31:43 -
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"They have significantly more slots than is usual for their class"
And the Enforcer has 4M4L WTF CCP
Give it 6M6L |
Crazy Vania
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
49
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:37:25 -
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Quote:After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
This is the only part in the dev-blog that I don't like.
While I'm not going to own one of these since I'm not able to go to Fanfest, I would very much prefer that you guys keep these ships limited edition.
After the most cursory examination of these hulls, it's pretty clear that they are completely overpowered. This is fine. There are already plenty of (clearly) overpowered ships in Eve, they are called "Tournament ships".
The reason we don't really care that they exist is their limited edition status makes them a non-issue in the meta. You either never see one in your life, or you see one and then kill it using a 100 man blops fleet and have a good laugh about it.
I would prefer never seeing one of these concord hulls in space. I would prefer never having to buy one to be "in" the meta, and finally, I would love it if they cost so much that killing one is a rare, joyous occasion, instead of a reflection on power creep.
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TL:DR, without them being extremely limited in numbers, these hulls will be the balance disaster equivalent of the Gecko. |
Djorum
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
3
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:51:43 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness
Pretty crappy mechanic. Unless you enjoy getting punished for using your ship, will be restricted to null sec. |
Victor Fabre
Like Yamcha
0
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Posted - 2017.04.02 00:58:26 -
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Aleverette wrote:"They have significantly more slots than is usual for their class"
And the Enforcer has 4M4L WTF CCP
Give it 6M6L
That might be a bit much but is 6/5/5 to much to ask for? |
light heaven
JUST SET TIMES Fraternity.
9
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Posted - 2017.04.02 01:31:42 -
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enforcer slot should be 655 as pacifier and marshal have more slot than its t2 class.
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Lijja Cuu
Mining Industry Exile Foundation Top Tier
4
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Posted - 2017.04.02 01:53:13 -
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Johnny Twelvebore wrote:Dear CCP, if these ships are allowed in AT you have just doomed all our pilots to somehow getting (and keeping) a plus five sec status. Your chances of getting a beer from any of them at the next meetup may have declined somewhat:)
Get the ships and get your rat on...sec status ez
-áhttp://vserver.zap.de.com/img/lijjasig.jpg
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2897
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Posted - 2017.04.02 02:03:17 -
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lol at all the randy low sec guys
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Lura Zara
Worlds Without Boundaries Special Forces
13
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Posted - 2017.04.02 04:46:57 -
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I'm sorry CCP, But making these ships as "Offer exclusives" Only... makes zero sense at all. We dont need rare ships. We need interesting ships that are balanced and replaceable.
If you put them as Concord LP obtainable for high prices after the 'exclusive' period. That would make the most sense. I'm not saying to make them affordable. I'm saying they should be /replaceable/. Even if expensive. |
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Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2017.04.02 05:20:39 -
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Victor Fabre wrote:Aleverette wrote:"They have significantly more slots than is usual for their class"
And the Enforcer has 4M4L WTF CCP
Give it 6M6L That might be a bit much but is 6/5/5 to much to ask for?
Yeah, I realized 6M6L would be too much, 7/5/5 is a much better combination. |
Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2017.04.02 05:24:01 -
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Plus, what about players with sec status higher than 5.0?
There are a few 10.0 ancient prophets left among us. 100% boost/repair bonus, wow. |
Squizz Caphinator
Primary.
214
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Posted - 2017.04.02 05:48:08 -
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This feels very much like the "Good Alignment" in Trade Wars with boosting based on sec. status. <3 the Imperial Starship
Will there be boosters on future ships based on those with negative sec status, aka, evil alignment?
Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:
https://zkillboard.com | https://evewho.com
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F4bske
Mining Industry Exile Foundation Top Tier
11
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:05:58 -
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I was very excited for the Concord ships to be announced. But it turns out you decided to turn them into niche ships that are hard to obtain (which alone is fine), but also incredibly hard to make use of. I would love to see more ships like the Guristas, Sansha, Serpentis or Angel lineup. The Concord ships are vanity items without any real use beside beeing a shiny toy and amusing me at 6 AM doing fits for them and laughing at their awful stats even for Covops. The Frigate is an Astero, the Cruiser is a Covops Stabber and seriously underpowered/tanked, the Battleship seems workable but is as scary as a Nestor. Please fix the Cruiser and the next time you have ships to design please make something that we can use more than 2 times a year and do not include covops cloak. ty. |
Advenat Bedala
Facehoof Out of Sight.
191
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:38:59 -
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I have 3 hopes about this ships: 1) You'll use current ingame CONCORD ship design and pictures from devpost are 1st april joke
2) This ships will be accessible from pure ingame sources like CONCORD LP or drifter wormholes. NOT real money
3) frigate and battleship stats are advents of covert ops and black ops tiercide |
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
869
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:05:37 -
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Advenat Bedala wrote: 1) You'll use current ingame CONCORD ship design and pictures from devpost are 1st april joke
Nope, those are the ship models. Even the Shuttle has a new model!
Advenat Bedala wrote: 2) This ships will be accessible from pure ingame sources like CONCORD LP or drifter wormholes. NOT real money
Once again, NOPE! The only current means to get them is to go to BOTH Fanfest and EVE Vegas. Future promotions will involve IRL cash... Welcome to PAY TO WIN!
Advenat Bedala wrote: 3) frigate and battleship stats are advents of covert ops and black ops tiercide
Nope, standalone faction variants of both. Suppose to be slightly OP variants!
...wow, you got screwed 3 ways here! |
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2017.04.02 15:02:19 -
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It's not even pay to win. If it I might even pay its pay to attend an event and get stuff free, it is a very odd decision I struggle to believe the development costs are recouped via this method, people go to those events because they want to and can do so and would go anyway.
I never get these one of free ships they hardly get used and are never balanced being either rubbish (because free) or overpowered because really rare, surely much better to attract new subs by introducing new balanced ships and mechanics/in game events to obtain them especially given the time taken to make new models and set about balancing them.
You have a set of good pirate faction ships (sisters of eve) which were really well implemented. In many ways there are too many options here to really balance these, would have been better to have some lore behind minmatar republic obtaining decommissioned vessels backed by caldari finances and basing the ships on two factions.
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Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
1
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:20:00 -
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Horrible design of ships.
"We are the Harbingers of hope, We are the Sword of the Righteous"
"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"
Purist Lord Admiral Victor
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1984
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:24:21 -
[59] - Quote
Subscription is not enough.
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Kaivarian Coste
Placid Peace Corps
141
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Posted - 2017.04.02 18:56:10 -
[60] - Quote
Interesting that ordinary subscribers won't get these ships. Because f--- you. |
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Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
2
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Posted - 2017.04.02 23:42:54 -
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Ships of the CONCORD of the normal person : Great job designer. Ships of the CONCORD of a sick person: Disgusting design in the style of Cylons Cylons
Question. Why do ships have wings ? A maneuvering thrusters is not ? Why wings in space ?
"We are the Harbingers of hope, We are the Sword of the Righteous"
"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"
Purist Lord Admiral Victor
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Brent McBride
Jarlhettur's Drop
0
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Posted - 2017.04.03 00:08:27 -
[62] - Quote
unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down |
Danmal
TYR. Exodus.
43
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Posted - 2017.04.03 05:41:57 -
[63] - Quote
A. does that mean that the rep bonus against pirates will be 0, because the floor of 10 x a negative number is 0, and 50 only against carebears? Oh how wonderful. Finally, carebears get the bad end of the deal.
B. If I cannot have one of these ships because I cannot be shilled into attending whatever fest, can I at least get my Police Ishtar back? Pretty please? |
Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
253
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Posted - 2017.04.03 08:55:25 -
[64] - Quote
The frig reminds me of the head of an evangelion (EVEngelion :) ) .
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Kaivarian Coste
Placid Peace Corps
142
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Posted - 2017.04.03 09:01:15 -
[65] - Quote
Brent McBride wrote:unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down
They probably should be clear about that, because I honestly thought this ship would only be available to those who paid $$$ directly to CCP. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
283
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Posted - 2017.04.03 10:25:14 -
[66] - Quote
WTF CCP, stop redesigning iconic ships into generic scifi nonsense. Some of us got into the game in part because of all the interesting ship designs: asymmetry, distinct racial designs, etc. And every time you redesign something you manage to make it worse. There's nothing wrong with the existing CONCORD hull designs, so leave them as they are. Stop trying to fix things that aren't broken.
(And requiring grinding sec status to 5.0 to use these ships effectively is a stupid mechanic, but at least that stupidity is limited by the limited number of these that will exist. Having to see the new CONCORD trash everywhere is not.) |
My Nin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.04.03 10:58:08 -
[67] - Quote
I fail to see the problem here.
Ok the Mrshall is good and its ugly that only people who spend rl cash to travel to Iceland and Vegas will get it. However its only a few of those that will circulate at this stage and I don't see them as game breaking at all.
The frig and cruiser have less mid and low slots than their class hence are rather... poo. So, yeah not much to see here... |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3285
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Posted - 2017.04.03 12:58:06 -
[68] - Quote
The funniest part about all of this is the majority of the money that needed to be forked out the get the BS probably end up in the pockets of a major airline and a hotel holding corp even if you live next door to one of the events. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
1987
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Posted - 2017.04.03 13:08:31 -
[69] - Quote
Brent McBride wrote:unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down
Quote:After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
Akrasjel Lanate
CEO of Lanate Industries
Citizen of Solitude
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
42
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:18:19 -
[70] - Quote
Alia Nadasdy wrote:Question. Why do ships have wings ? A maneuvering thrusters is not ? Why wings in space ?
Typically Aerospace ships are required to fly within atmosphere and wings would greatly help with that function regardless of thrusters.
A wingless 'Aerospace' craft that has serious engine failure in atmospheric flight is subject to sudden impact with the ground aswell.
Also note that these designs do say Concord Aerospace along the nose. |
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
556
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:33:10 -
[71] - Quote
Nice looking ships. But uh I'll wait to comment on capabilities until after someone from CCP confirms this wasn't meant as an April Fool's joke. |
Jimy F
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.04.03 18:14:48 -
[72] - Quote
i wish also ask for confirmation before i write something abaut this specs, are this specs for serius? ccp do sometimes wierd things so i taking this like joke in 50%
also there is one more nice pic at eve upadate site of cruiser
and if someone wish to see this frig model, it is actual on sisi, concord shuttle have this frig modeld, but rest of this ships are not yet there |
Victor Fabre
Like Yamcha
1
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Posted - 2017.04.03 19:36:42 -
[73] - Quote
Jimy F wrote:i wish also ask for confirmation before i write something abaut this specs, are this specs for serius? ccp do sometimes wierd things so i taking this like joke in 50%
also there is one more nice pic at eve upadate site of cruiser
and if someone wish to see this frig model, it is actual on sisi, concord shuttle have this frig modeld, but rest of this ships are not yet there
You can call the cruiser and frig model with the tag id and look at them |
Circumstantial Evidence
395
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Posted - 2017.04.03 20:57:59 -
[74] - Quote
In RL, de-commissioned police vehicles owned by the public, if used in public, need to cover up their official markings, to prevent impersonation. (This is not a problem in a garage / hanger / museum.)
So from Lore perspective, I don't think ex-CONCORD ships should display CONCORD logo's or markings. (Including the Council Diplomatic Shuttle.) |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2855
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Posted - 2017.04.03 22:49:16 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Armor Repairer and Shield Booster effectiveness increased by a percentage equal to 10x pilot security status, with a floor of 0% and ceiling of 50%
Please add some pirate faction ships that have a similar mechanic, but based on negative security status. Maybe 50% damage bonus at -5.0 and 100% damage bonus at -10.0. Then make it so they do very little damage against NPC's of their own faction. And then make it so that NPC's of their own faction will not target them. That would be pretty sweet.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
363
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Posted - 2017.04.04 04:03:52 -
[76] - Quote
Victor Fabre wrote:Jimy F wrote:i wish also ask for confirmation before i write something abaut this specs, are this specs for serius? ccp do sometimes wierd things so i taking this like joke in 50%
also there is one more nice pic at eve upadate site of cruiser
and if someone wish to see this frig model, it is actual on sisi, concord shuttle have this frig modeld, but rest of this ships are not yet there You can call the cruiser and frig model with the tag id and look at them I tried that. It didn't work.
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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication Soldiers of TIN
445
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Posted - 2017.04.04 05:02:51 -
[77] - Quote
Chance Ravinne wrote: I'm not saying they shouldn't be limited. But there's a difference between Genolution limited and "I had a couple thousand dollars lying around, so now I own this ship" limited.
While the announcement smells of Fresh Spring Flowers and April Fools, Chance is quite correct in this assessment is this is not a joke.
Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.
Support better localization for the Japanese Community.
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Veishe
Rubbish
4
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Posted - 2017.04.04 07:02:18 -
[78] - Quote
web + tackle bonus in 1 ship?
Nice P2W CCP. |
Tasuku Furukawa
SAKUMA DROP Caladrius Alliance
2
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Posted - 2017.04.04 08:50:02 -
[79] - Quote
Quote:They have significantly more slots than is usual for their class
So, Enforcer needs 6/5/5.
Quote:Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness
Hmm... IMO, jamming effectiveness bonus better.
Japanese DUST and EVE player.Character name is DJIPS/Tasuku Furukawa.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14860
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Posted - 2017.04.04 13:43:59 -
[80] - Quote
Hey folks!
So for anyone who is still curious, this is not an April Fools joke. We are definitely interested in real feedback on these promo ships.
I made a pretty serious typo in the original post (which those of you who are watching the test server caught) in that the Enforcer slot layout is 6/5/5 rather than the 6/4/4 originally posted.
After reading through your initial feedback we've already made one tweak to help address some of your concerns, by reducing the tackle range bonuses on the Enforcer to 10% for webs and 5% for scrams/disruptors. The goal here is to avoid letting these ships become strong enough to make people feel they need to get them to compete. If needed we'll make more power reductions to reach that goal.
The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite unique, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
For people asking, these ships have 2 rigslots and 400 calibration like most other T2 ships and the Marshal has the same 4ly base jump range as the other Black Ops.
Thanks for the feedback so far and keep it coming!
Game Designer | Team Five-0
Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
4
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Posted - 2017.04.04 14:20:35 -
[81] - Quote
MidnightWyvern wrote: I'm not opposed to asymmetrical designs, but the CONCORD Cruiser and Frigate looked like they were made just for the purpose of looking ridiculous. I'm not sure why designs that look impossible to believe are somehow "more creative" and "more authentic".
The design is terrible. Again a blue color like Mordu's Legion and Upwell.
The design does not fit, it's too simple. Homeworld
It was already, it's too monotonous. Wing up, wing to the right, wing to left.
I do not know what is there to admire the.
"Aerospace" - The name that does not fit into the CONCORD organization. CONCORD has subdivisions:
CAD - Commerce Assessment Department (CAD) oversees interstellar trade agreements and regulations. DED - Directive Enforcement Department (DED) is the police enforcement arm of CONCORD. DED has the responsibility of tracking down known criminals and attacking criminal facilities. They frequently operate outside empire space, wanting criminals to understand that there is nowhere safe from the long arm of the law. SCC - Secure Commerce Commission (SCC) is responsible for regulating and monitoring all trade transactions that take place on space stations. It acts under strict codes of neutrality. These codes ensure the SCC keeps all dealings secure and secret, so there is no chance for government interference.
I do not understand CCP
"We are the Harbingers of hope, We are the Sword of the Righteous"
"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"
Purist Lord Admiral Victor
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Cade Windstalker
1222
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Posted - 2017.04.04 14:23:08 -
[82] - Quote
Wings on a spaceship actually make a fair amount of sense. They just don't work the same way, they're a relatively long and low-mass way to put a maneuvering thruster far from the center of mass of the hull, which lets you turn the main body and thus the main thrusters more effectively.
Also it's possible that a Concord hull may actually be designed with a certain amount of atmospheric flight in mind, since they're a police force and may be expected to pursue ships into a planet's atmosphere. |
Zircon Dasher
351
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Posted - 2017.04.04 14:25:53 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
Since it is now clear that gimmick mechanics are here to stay.... are NPC standings going to start boosting faction ships next year or the year after?
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
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Stridsflygplan
Yjellio The Volition Cult
90
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Posted - 2017.04.04 14:42:46 -
[84] - Quote
Generaly I feel the resist are a bit low for T2 resist. But fine omni resists is pretty nice trade off
PACIFIER: using it with a probe launcher and cloak cripples the dps to much. Needs to have another high slot or have 2 hard points with a bigger damage bonus.
ENFORCER: The damage is like a stabber without a drone bay. You end up being a half assed love child of arazu and rapier. But both those ships are faster, have better e-war bonuses and more damage with the dronebays. Conclustion: very fancy bait ship for dropping with.
MARSHAL: Looks fine, being a battleship doesnGÇÖt suffer as much from the low speed the ship line has, the plenty of slots and fitting really starts working now. You can shield tank it and still use the e-war bonuses etc. damage is still a bit shy but the environment you are going to use it in and e-war makes up for that by now. Battleship without a drone bay is pretty unique at least :)
Would it really hurt them to have a CPU reduction for expanded probe launchers? I feel like finding people wherever they are is something concord ships are good at. It would fit the flavor. |
Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2017.04.04 15:35:40 -
[85] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: But it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
Can you make bonus only apply when the ship is in high/low/null/wormhole space respectively?
For example: "Very powerful ships when they are being used in high/low sec" sounds quite Concordy. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2868
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Posted - 2017.04.04 17:54:44 -
[86] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
This is the best part. I hope I don't have to wait a decade for this...
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
406
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Posted - 2017.04.04 19:08:42 -
[87] - Quote
eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
363
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Posted - 2017.04.04 19:42:04 -
[88] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo. If you think about it, it makes sense. Without that restriction, the ship could theoretically be quite useful to law-breakers.
However, with what I assume is going to be explained as a black-box function CONCORD put into those to keep them out of unlawful hands, the ships can only be used in most cases for ratting or hunting down criminals.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3291
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Posted - 2017.04.04 20:20:28 -
[89] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
Bonus like that are already problematic IMO. At what point do you balance the relative power of the unit? It's maximum potential? Then it underpowered if you don't min-max your sec staus. Balanced by minimal potential? Then it's broken when in the hand of someone who does min-max it. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14865
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Posted - 2017.04.04 20:23:20 -
[90] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: The security status rep bonus is indeed something quite odd, but it fits wonderfully with a promo ship released by CONCORD. The trick we're using here also gives us the ability to make ships that receive bonuses for having low security status in the future, which may fit well for some kind of pirate ships someday.
Bonus like that are already problematic IMO. At what point do you balance the relative power of the unit? It's maximum potential? Then it underpowered if you don't min-max your sec staus. Balanced by minimal potential? Then it's broken when in the hand of someone who does min-max it.
This bonus is tailor made for ships that we're perfectly fine with balancing to be slightly underpowered but very cool and thematically resonant. Since these are promo ships and not part of the ordinary ship rotation that sort of balance fits well.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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Miss Management
6
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Posted - 2017.04.04 20:46:08 -
[91] - Quote
Pay to Play sucks ...
So if I buy a Real Life Ticket I get some nice ships ....
Please check you Eula |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
231
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Posted - 2017.04.05 03:27:15 -
[92] - Quote
I don't particularly like the new design but I hate the old design. Color is odd. Shape is kinda cheesy. It's a big T that's all. But it's "less bad" than the old one? They should really go back to the drawing board.
Hope this means the soct will get redesigned too cause they're the worst offenders for just being ugly ships. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
231
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Posted - 2017.04.05 03:35:35 -
[93] - Quote
Wait so you can't get them in game? You have to pay thousands of dollars to go to Iceland lol no thankyou. If they're not obtainable by everyone through the game then I have no interest in them at all. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
363
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Posted - 2017.04.05 04:06:06 -
[94] - Quote
Miss Management wrote:Pay to Play sucks ...
So if I buy a Real Life Ticket I get some nice ships ....
Please check you Eula Oh come off it. Those things are gimmick ships and you know it. CCP Fozzie even confirmed that was the intent!
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Blavish
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
15
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Posted - 2017.04.05 08:16:45 -
[95] - Quote
Please post picture of Battleship
Frig and cruiser would be nice having some more slots
I'm loving the salt about sec status. Buy those clone soldier tags. Buy em all! |
Wyper insane
The Hornets Cartel
2
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Posted - 2017.04.05 11:12:18 -
[96] - Quote
Trespasser wrote:so assuming this isn't an april fools troll post, then what is the jump range of the battleship?
If it gets a 75% reduction and can fit the portal gen, then it must have a jump drive... so what is its base range?
A black ops without a jump drive would be really weird lol, except if you can covops it but hey... |
Aleverette
Peoples Liberation Army Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2017.04.05 14:25:43 -
[97] - Quote
Aleverette wrote:Plus, what about players with sec status higher than 5.0?
There are a few 10.0 ancient prophets left among us. 100% boost/repair bonus, wow.
You clearly need to read again. :)[/quote]
I asked so because I am not sure where does the "ceiling" exactly comes from: Is it comes from the 5.0 maximum sec status for most players? Or this is a fixed 50% bonus to players who are at 5.0 or above?
After all, eve is a game full of "ancient wonders" or "a-decade-ago mess", just to make sure nothing goes out of control. |
Zircon Dasher
352
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Posted - 2017.04.05 15:09:32 -
[98] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: This bonus is tailor made for ships that we're perfectly fine with balancing to be slightly underpowered but very cool and thematically resonant. Since these are promo ships and not part of the ordinary ship rotation that sort of balance fits well.
I assume you mean its slightly underpowered even when min-maxed? Your response isn't very precise/clear in how it addresses his comment. If you came here to get initial balancing feedback, being clear about the general boundaries is probably a good idea, no? For example are you insinuating that the tanking power of these cyno lighting tackle boats should be underpowered even at max NPC standings?
Also, you see that the second sentence begins to ring hollow given that you already are talking about expanding the range of ships which get this mechanic (and only a couple days in)?
Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
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Jimy F
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.04.05 15:13:07 -
[99] - Quote
i wish to ask ccp for adding to cruiser probe scanging bonus 10%/lvl, or maybe to BS to
becouse you some how manage to do from concord ships, covert ops ships, and since odyssay expansion there is only one ship with only one weapon system, dornes, with scaning bonus that can do hi sec combat explorations sites wich is stratos, there is genos but it can not acces large number of sites, and is much slower, also buff damage at least 10% or 15% per level, staratos have damage bonus, tank bonus, scaning bonus, cover cloak, and can get even 800dps so i think it is ok. and probe scan bonus in not big deal i think in age of alts and multiple accounts
also consider change tracking bonus for hybrid to range bonus, players wich use hybrids may be little upset becouse of this, all other get range bonus
it is possible that frigate get 10%/per lvl web range bonus?
also i think this rep boost bonus from security status is not very good, people wich are pirates may be upset that they can't use this ships with all potential, becouse ss, is very wierd at least for me, that ss have impact for efficency of ship specs, and it is not fair to limit of using ships by these |
Merkal Aubauch
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
85
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Posted - 2017.04.05 15:53:13 -
[100] - Quote
My main concer is that some of the players will never be able to attend EVE Vegas due to visa issues. How would you balance it out? ;)
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Shikra
Leucopterna Archeology
9
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Posted - 2017.04.05 18:23:38 -
[101] - Quote
For people complaining about the wings (nitpicking at this point), aside from the fact that the manufacturer is clearly called CONCORD Aerospace, wings can serve a purpose aside from generating air pressure and thus lift. In Star Wars, the wings of ships are used as heat sinks to bleed excess heat from the weapons and engines, for example. Then there are properties like those seen in Mordu's Legion, where they are loaded with precision electronics systems for combat. and have a sort of radar-deterring form.
More-over, as CONCORD takes its roots from all four empires, I'd say these ships strike a good aesthetic middle ground between the four factions and some of their subsidiaries. Not to mention they look sexy as all hell. The only odd thing/bummer is the drone issue....
I imagine that after their period of exclusivity, these ships will probably be released in some sort of in-game event, and much further down the line, be "candied" out much like what happened to the Gnosis. I could also see them doing it as part of a package deal instead, but given the past trends, I'd say that's highly unlikely - at least not exclusively.
Now for my only imput... CCPlz Give these faction skins like you did with the mining ships! Me needz a rusty Minmatar or shiny gold CONCORD ship in my life. o3o |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1169
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Posted - 2017.04.05 18:57:01 -
[102] - Quote
They look nice i would give 7.5% Minmatar dmg bonus to medium and large hulls due to anemic dps numbers they will put out compared to others and without drones it will be obvious.
Argument that minmatar hulls are basically oversized class bellow their current wont work stats are same for all races they will just punch lower without anything to mask that.
You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear
Because >>I is too hard
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance
364
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Posted - 2017.04.05 19:02:33 -
[103] - Quote
Shikra wrote:For people complaining about the wings (nitpicking at this point), aside from the fact that the manufacturer is clearly called CONCORD Aerospace, wings can serve a purpose aside from generating air pressure and thus lift. In Star Wars, the wings of ships are used as heat sinks to bleed excess heat from the weapons and engines, for example. Then there are properties like those seen in Mordu's Legion, where they are loaded with precision electronics systems for combat. and have a sort of radar-deterring form.
More-over, as CONCORD takes its roots from all four empires, I'd say these ships strike a good aesthetic middle ground between the four factions and some of their subsidiaries. Not to mention they look sexy as all hell. The only odd thing/bummer is the drone issue....
I imagine that after their period of exclusivity, these ships will probably be released in some sort of in-game event, and much further down the line, be "candied" out much like what happened to the Gnosis. I could also see them doing it as part of a package deal instead, but given the past trends, I'd say that's highly unlikely - at least not exclusively.
Now for my only imput... CCPlz Give these faction skins like you did with the mining ships! Me needz a rusty Minmatar or shiny gold CONCORD ship in my life. o3o Actually, if you look at the wings, they have glowing orange portions that look like they could serve as heat-sinks. Further reinforces the Star Wars theory.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
406
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Posted - 2017.04.05 19:32:45 -
[104] - Quote
MidnightWyvern wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo. If you think about it, it makes sense. Without that restriction, the ship could theoretically be quite useful to law-breakers. However, with what I assume is going to be explained as a black-box function CONCORD put into those to keep them out of unlawful hands, the ships can only be used in most cases for ratting or hunting down criminals. Lore wise sure, why not.
Mechanically tho I don't see anything good in it. It is a combat ship with limited supply so seeing it in space would be rare already, but on top of that it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
313
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Posted - 2017.04.05 20:05:30 -
[105] - Quote
Lug Muad'Dib wrote:Really hope it's a joke.. Cruiser and frigate are already in database on SISI..
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Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2017.04.05 23:14:21 -
[106] - Quote
They can be simulated on the test server now.
Hard to judge as there are so many options but I would be leaning towards a dual rep blaster fit, bit like dual rep incursus only with full tackle, very vulnerable to being kited though.
Tanks seem strong but the DPS and speed make these seem a little bit of a nothing in general. Not sure if they are quite at pirate faction level but am unsure at what level they are being pitched at.
Think I would not be flying these given the expected price point. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1171
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Posted - 2017.04.05 23:25:48 -
[107] - Quote
Kaivarian Coste wrote:Brent McBride wrote:unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down They probably should be clear about that, because I honestly thought this ship would only be available to those who paid $$$ directly to CCP.
No offense, but they've pretty much stated from the get-go that they would be released for fanfest attendees then everyone else later on. In fact every conversation I've seen with or without CCP devs about them has been that everyone will get access to them, just people going to fanfest are getting them before anyone else. They couldn't have been for clear about that unless they'd have sent out emails to every eve player with an active account. Also...
https://updates.eveonline.com/date/2017-04-06/
...and, I know it doesn't state it, but the information a week ago on that page stated that the BS will be released sometime this winter.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2874
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Posted - 2017.04.06 02:42:53 -
[108] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.
You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1178
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Posted - 2017.04.06 03:22:20 -
[109] - Quote
FT Diomedes wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.
You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status.
Forget it, Diomedes. I'd like to think that I'm the pessimist in my family, hell at the very least I'm a pretty cynical son of a *****, but there's really no making some people happy.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Baron Agamemnon
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2
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Posted - 2017.04.07 12:33:54 -
[110] - Quote
Sobaan Tali wrote:Kaivarian Coste wrote:Brent McBride wrote:unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down They probably should be clear about that, because I honestly thought this ship would only be available to those who paid $$$ directly to CCP. No offense, but they've pretty much stated from the get-go that they would be released for fanfest attendees then everyone else later on. In fact every conversation I've seen with or without CCP devs about them has been that everyone will get access to them, just people going to fanfest are getting them before anyone else. They couldn't have been for clear about that unless they'd have sent out emails to every eve player with an active account.
Did they say it? OP said "special events and the like", not "everyone". |
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1183
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Posted - 2017.04.07 14:10:55 -
[111] - Quote
Baron Agamemnon wrote: Did they say it? OP said "special events and the like", not "everyone".
They never stated how anyone else would get them, just that people with a ticket would get them sooner than everyone else. I know the OP here doesn't specify "everyone", but I remember a reddit post announcing them some time ago stating they will eventually be available to the general public after fanfest attendees have had sufficient exclusive access to them. Also, https://updates.eveonline.com had at one point up until recently indicated this. Unless this is their way of saying that they've changed their minds on degree of access planned, which I hope not.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
406
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Posted - 2017.04.07 16:32:15 -
[112] - Quote
FT Diomedes wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.
You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status. Obviously. Ask yourself this tho how often do you see alliance tournament ships in 0.0 or WH in comparison to low. Silver and gold magnate, malice, chremoa, cambion etc. most of them are flown in low when they are flown at all that is.
btw what is the design decision (mechanically) behind the sec status bonus in your opinion?
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
36
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Posted - 2017.04.07 23:07:50 -
[113] - Quote
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) |
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
1987
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Posted - 2017.04.08 07:25:34 -
[114] - Quote
Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships
Akrasjel Lanate
CEO of Lanate Industries
Citizen of Solitude
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Capqu
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1312
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Posted - 2017.04.08 12:31:05 -
[115] - Quote
any word a bomb launcher fozzie?
it would be strictly worse for bombing than a real SB due to no damage bonus but come with the ability to have bonused probes so you wouldn't need an alt or have to use an unbonused probe launcher on a bomber
i'd personally use it for FCing and im probably not the only one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
36
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:01:43 -
[116] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships
One, you can't read
Two, you can't read
Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
1988
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Posted - 2017.04.08 16:32:02 -
[117] - Quote
Vigilant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships One, you can't read Two, you can't read Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events. One, link to the moment when they say it. Two, Fanfest 2017 has more actual info about changes coming.
Akrasjel Lanate
CEO of Lanate Industries
Citizen of Solitude
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Tasuku Furukawa
SAKUMA DROP Caladrius Alliance
2
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Posted - 2017.04.08 17:51:56 -
[118] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships
CONCRD ships to be promotional isn't a problem.
Is there any chance getting these ships without attending a special out-game event such like Fanfest?
That is the problem.
Japanese DUST and EVE player.Character name is DJIPS/Tasuku Furukawa.
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Cade Windstalker
1251
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Posted - 2017.04.08 21:00:31 -
[119] - Quote
Tasuku Furukawa wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships CONCRD ships to be promotional isn't a problem. Is there any chance getting these ships without attending a special out-game event such like Fanfest? That is the problem.
This question is answered in the OP and has been since Fozzie posted it...
CCP Fozzie wrote:After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions. |
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2017.04.08 21:09:26 -
[120] - Quote
You need to look at the language that is being used. It states promotions which almost which implies plex sales or subscription offers.
I don't actually have a problem with this, CCP often gives away skins and such like during promotions or offers.
However the issue I have is the impact on the ships being introduced. Instead of a useful balanced addition to the game we get a novelty ship.
They are good for ratting for sec status, quite tanky but with quite significant vulnerabilities in speed, low DPS and a cruiser and battleship without any drones is probably asking for trouble. If you are a pirate you don't even get the tankyness ( I find the sec status bonus quite interesting however so would not suggest removing it)
As it stand they do not seem overpowered and so are balanced, there main use will be as a novelty ship item that is worth a large ISK value due to rarity.
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
37
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Posted - 2017.04.08 23:44:04 -
[121] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships One, you can't read Two, you can't read Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events. One, link to the moment when they say it. Two, Fanfest 2017 has more actual info about changes coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FARkDDbSRFs&list=PLQvKSs1k6DLPjz1qmmfNMrMPf91STJDa-&index=21
16:17 give or take a few seconds :P |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
367
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Posted - 2017.04.09 00:48:21 -
[122] - Quote
1. Lack of drones is dissapointing but not surprising. Kills many potential uses without being able to run even a flight of lights. If you're like me and you love drones as a primary weapon system, bad luck. These ships are not for you.
2. Security status bonuses scale, but stop at 5.0 sec status. So no love for those of us who have deliberately put effort into reaching numbers above these amounts. Where's the logic there? Just like missioners reaching 10.00 faction standing getting nothing, except instead of a lack of reward, now you are actively disregarding the playstyle of a subset of people which you are designing this ship bonus specifically for. "Get more bonuses for sec status, except if you get really high amounts. We don't care about you." Weird as hell.
3. At least they look pretty.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
1988
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Posted - 2017.04.09 07:23:01 -
[123] - Quote
Vigilant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Vigilant wrote:The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend. So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???
(And the market is not the answer) Nope They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships One, you can't read Two, you can't read Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events. One, link to the moment when they say it. Two, Fanfest 2017 has more actual info about changes coming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FARkDDbSRFs&list=PLQvKSs1k6DLPjz1qmmfNMrMPf91STJDa-&index=21 16:17 give or take a few seconds :P
Yes this outdated info from last Vegas meetup says that players "will have a possibility" of getting those.
Akrasjel Lanate
CEO of Lanate Industries
Citizen of Solitude
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3933
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Posted - 2017.04.09 11:19:38 -
[124] - Quote
Imiarr Timshae wrote:1. Lack of drones is dissapointing but not surprising. Kills many potential uses without being able to run even a flight of lights. If you're like me and you love drones as a primary weapon system, bad luck. These ships are not for you.
2. Security status bonuses scale, but stop at 5.0 sec status. So no love for those of us who have deliberately put effort into reaching numbers above these amounts. Where's the logic there? Just like missioners reaching 10.00 faction standing getting nothing, except instead of a lack of reward, now you are actively disregarding the playstyle of a subset of people which you are designing this ship bonus specifically for. "Get more bonuses for sec status, except if you get really high amounts. We don't care about you." Weird as hell.
3. At least they look pretty. The logic in 2 is because 10.0 sec status is a legacy item, and not available in normal circumstances to newer players. So 'Get more bonuses if you were grandfathered into the new sec status system, or if you happen to be in the fairly unique position to still force it through today through rounding errors around officer rats' is not a good thing for them to be doing. 5.0 is the nominal maximum you can get to these days. |
Cade Windstalker
1255
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Posted - 2017.04.09 23:46:25 -
[125] - Quote
Arcturus Ursidae wrote:You need to look at the language that is being used. It states promotions which almost which implies plex sales or subscription offers.
I don't actually have a problem with this, CCP often gives away skins and such like during promotions or offers.
Could mean PLEX sales, could mean an "OMG CONCORD got ****ed again" in-game event where everyone with more than 2 billion space-points gets one. |
Jengo Fire
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.04.10 00:20:12 -
[126] - Quote
"To avoid p2w"
Yet I need to spend RL money to get Shiney Collectors faction ships with insane stats....
Right so if I don't spend RL money I'm not allowed to have it without spending near AT prize ship prices.
Seems legit. |
Juvenius Drakonius
35
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Posted - 2017.04.10 00:34:22 -
[127] - Quote
would be great if you can go in fleets of concord to kill pirates...an NPC FC
There is no shame in saying you don't know something, and there is no glory in keeping knolege to yourself.
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
43
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Posted - 2017.04.10 01:10:33 -
[128] - Quote
Just for the sake of it. http://i.imgur.com/njVAIBW.png While not a serious fit it can put out decent damage. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3295
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:18:20 -
[129] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote:They look nice i would give 7.5% Minmatar dmg bonus to medium and large hulls due to anemic dps numbers they will put out compared to others and without drones it will be obvious.
Argument that minmatar hulls are basically oversized class bellow their current wont work stats are same for all races they will just punch lower without anything to mask that.
There is absolutely nothing forcing you to fit projectile weapons on this. If you think the bonus to projectile is not enough, go with another weapon system. |
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
259
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Posted - 2017.04.11 00:27:00 -
[130] - Quote
Any indication of what the availability of these will be like for those who did not attend fanfest or eve vegas? With those future events etc.?
Especially the faction black ops. IMO that should have been the nestor's role long ago - but still, I really hope these will be available for everyone at some level and not just become a 20bil station queen. |
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Chuck Sanussi
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
14
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Posted - 2017.04.11 13:48:49 -
[131] - Quote
these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much? |
Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.11 23:12:04 -
[132] - Quote
Chuck Sanussi wrote:these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much?
Its security status of the player, not the system. If you watched the fanfest vids they discussed the possibility of pirate hulls doing similar bonuses |
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
263
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Posted - 2017.04.12 01:32:11 -
[133] - Quote
Chuck Sanussi wrote:these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much?
Looks like someone has an opinion before taking the time to understand the subject matter. |
Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.12 02:31:07 -
[134] - Quote
Murkar Omaristos wrote:Chuck Sanussi wrote:these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much? Looks like someone has an opinion before taking the time to understand the subject matter.
Its the best type of opinion! |
Chuck Sanussi
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
14
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Posted - 2017.04.12 06:59:24 -
[135] - Quote
Ci'Fera wrote:Chuck Sanussi wrote:these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much? Its security status of the player, not the system. If you watched the fanfest vids they discussed the possibility of pirate hulls doing similar bonuses
NO SHEET, Sherlock.
Well yes, this is the definition of opinion.
Yes, I have heard about the possibility of pirate hulls having something similar.
Yet, this is not posted.
Therefore I am publishing my opinion - These bonuses for concord ships are BS until sec related bonuses are given to all pirate ships.
Clear enough now? Not like I care, sometimes people in EVE are like babies. ;) |
Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.12 08:06:09 -
[136] - Quote
Chuck Sanussi wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:Chuck Sanussi wrote:these sec related bonuses are BS until you give sec related bonuses to ALL pirate ships.
Nerfing lowsec much? Its security status of the player, not the system. If you watched the fanfest vids they discussed the possibility of pirate hulls doing similar bonuses NO SHEET, Sherlock. Well yes, this is the definition of opinion. Yes, I have heard about the possibility of pirate hulls having something similar. Yet, this is not posted. Therefore I am publishing my opinion - These bonuses for concord ships are BS until sec related bonuses are given to all pirate ships. Clear enough now? Not like I care, sometimes people in EVE are like babies. ;)
If you have to come back and specify that you knew all this yet you came here to gripe and reinforce your needless thoughts on the matter knowing full well that this is a 'test' for CCP to offer such bonuses later. Then you really serve no point in the discussion. Mr Watson... |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
14891
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Posted - 2017.04.12 10:47:40 -
[137] - Quote
Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF
Game Designer | Team Five-0
Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.12 14:25:47 -
[138] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF
Any specific reason for ROF over alpha? |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1173
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Posted - 2017.04.12 15:43:25 -
[139] - Quote
Ci'Fera wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF Any specific reason for ROF over alpha?
A tad more dps is my guess.
You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear
Because >>I is too hard
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:42:19 -
[140] - Quote
Mina Sebiestar wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF Any specific reason for ROF over alpha? A tad more dps is my guess.
I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire? |
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Stridsflygplan
Yjellio The Volition Cult
91
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Posted - 2017.04.13 01:40:11 -
[141] - Quote
Nice Moa fit you have there. |
Stridsflygplan
Yjellio The Volition Cult
91
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Posted - 2017.04.13 01:44:31 -
[142] - Quote
Ci'Fera wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF Any specific reason for ROF over alpha? A tad more dps is my guess. I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire?
25% RoF = 1 / 0.75 = 1.33 = 33% damage bonus 25% RoF vs 25% Damage = 1.33 / 1.25 = 1.064 = 6.4% more damage |
Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.13 04:35:10 -
[143] - Quote
Stridsflygplan wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Few small tweaks:
Slightly increased mass for the Pacifier and Enforcer Slightly improved inertia modifier for the Pacifier All the projectile damage bonuses swapped to RoF Any specific reason for ROF over alpha? A tad more dps is my guess. I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire? 25% RoF = 1 / 0.75 = 1.33 = 33% damage bonus 25% RoF vs 25% Damage = 1.33 / 1.25 = 1.064 = 6.4% more damage
Thats actually good to know! and yes, good call on the Moa fit, What I based it on. :) |
Hairpins Blueprint
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
201
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Posted - 2017.04.13 10:57:43 -
[144] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Reserved
Muh Mistery Code? Hello we are still here :< |
Capqu
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1312
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Posted - 2017.04.13 14:56:37 -
[145] - Quote
BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
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Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
53
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Posted - 2017.04.13 19:36:32 -
[146] - Quote
I guess the real joke here is that the compensation for the overdue Mordus' nerf is T2 ultragimmick Mordus ships.
Oh well.
Hey! I don't know about you
but I'm joining CTRL-Q
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.13 20:20:14 -
[147] - Quote
Capqu wrote:BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD
I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers. |
Capqu
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1314
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Posted - 2017.04.15 11:27:30 -
[148] - Quote
Ci'Fera wrote:Capqu wrote:BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers.
NO
JUST THE LAUNCHER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
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Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.15 20:23:11 -
[149] - Quote
Capqu wrote:Ci'Fera wrote:Capqu wrote:BOMB LAUNCHER PLEASE GOD I would think for the frigate it would be cool if it had a bonus to void bombs, Make it a little more unique than the other bombers. NO JUST THE LAUNCHER Momma must have not taught you indoor voices. |
Jimy F
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.04.18 12:35:30 -
[150] - Quote
its look like they decide to throw logic of balance out of window, it's the shame they sems to throw logic out the window one to many times
BS have the same dps that other Black Ops and have also ewar bonus without damage reduction (like Widow), and have 2 more slots than any other Black Ops or T2 or Faction BS, and have maruder tank bonus
and bonus depending on security status? seriusly?
and it is very hard pay to win
please get some other devs make this ships
i very don't like what happen here |
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
1109
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Posted - 2017.04.18 18:02:40 -
[151] - Quote
As promo ships, I think these are just fine. Like the SoCT stuff, they are kind of absurd, but as promo ships, I think that's alright.
I think making them promo ships in the first place is a HUGE missed opportunity, though. The standard faction ship lineup has some holes that still need to be filled. Of the current lineup, there are two factions for the Gallente-Minmatar and Gallente-Caldari skill pairings; Gallente-Amarr, Caldari-Ammar and Amar-Minmatar only have one ship for each skill pairing
Stats aside (ie. whether or not the ships you can fly are actually worth flying), this means Gallente ship skills have the most variety attached, but more importantly, there are still ZERO SHIPS that can be flown with only Caldari and Minmatar skills.
I've thought for a while that EoM would be a good fit for a second Caldari-Amar pairing, and Ammatar would be an ideal fit for another Ammar-Minmatar pairing, but that still leaves the missing Caldari-Minmatar pairing with nothing. Having come up with this CONCORD Aerospace group who is giving away ships, there was the perfect opportunity to fill this gap. Instead we are getting more exclusive ships tied to specific events. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Tactical-Retreat
2110
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Posted - 2017.04.19 06:17:02 -
[152] - Quote
It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well.
Signature Tanking Best Tanking
[Ex-F] CEO - Eve-guides.fr
Ultimate Citadel Guide - 2016 EVE Career Chart
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Empress FriedEgg
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.04.19 20:09:41 -
[153] - Quote
Altrue wrote:It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well.
The Mystery Code is dead, get over it |
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
69
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Posted - 2017.04.19 20:56:21 -
[154] - Quote
Wonder if the Council Diplomatic Shuttle would get the new Pacifier model too? |
Ci'Fera
Shadowed Command The Explicit Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.04.20 02:18:24 -
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Vorll Minaaran wrote:Wonder if the Council Diplomatic Shuttle would get the new Pacifier model too? Yes..it will. |
YokeM Tessarn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.20 12:28:37 -
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I was really exited when I saw the new ships and the ability to fit them with whatever weapon system I want. I also like the designs so far. But making them promotional only...
You see, I`m one of these high sec player, who really enjoy jumping into the game from time to time, kill some npc rats and then log off satisfied. Now I see those ships, which get a big bonus from me doing what I really enjoy. But you see, I won`t be able to fly the ship, because I can`t replace it if I lose it.
This is something you teach in one of your first lessons: Don`t fly anything you can`t replace. I can already see what will happen, if I undock with one of them: "Oh see, he flys a concord hull, let`s suicide gank him, just to **** him off".
Please make them available via LP store. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
567
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Posted - 2017.04.20 12:52:16 -
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YokeM Tessarn wrote:I was really exited when I saw the new ships and the ability to fit them with whatever weapon system I want. I also like the designs so far. But making them promotional only...
You see, I`m one of these high sec player, who really enjoy jumping into the game from time to time, kill some npc rats and then log off satisfied. Now I see those ships, which get a big bonus from me doing what I really enjoy. But you see, I won`t be able to fly the ship, because I can`t replace it if I lose it.
This is something you teach in one of your first lessons: Don`t fly anything you can`t replace. I can already see what will happen, if I undock with one of them: "Oh see, he flys a concord hull, let`s suicide gank him, just to **** him off".
Please make them available via LP store.
One solution could be: Get two of each, only fly them until you lose them.
As long as you always keep one in reserve, your problem is solved. |
Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
367
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Posted - 2017.04.21 21:19:12 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: The logic in 2 is because 10.0 sec status is a legacy item, and not available in normal circumstances to newer players. So 'Get more bonuses if you were grandfathered into the new sec status system, or if you happen to be in the fairly unique position to still force it through today through rounding errors around officer rats' is not a good thing for them to be doing. 5.0 is the nominal maximum you can get to these days.
Don't the characters that offer one-time sec status gains still exist?
I haven't done them. I've killed 2 officers in my time and had 5.1 before that point.
I don't know what I did to get it this high, but I never actively tried.
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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
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Posted - 2017.04.21 21:49:26 -
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Empress FriedEgg wrote:Altrue wrote:It would have been cool to give out those ships to Mystery Code owners as well. The Mystery Code is dead, get over it
Then CCP should actually say it, instead of wishing we'd stop talking about it! |
Kaydren Orlenard
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.04.22 04:11:39 -
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Finally there will be a legitimate reason for being a law-abiding citizen in New Eden... |
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Alberic Nydorm
The Study of Wumbology Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.04.23 21:21:29 -
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Really like the design of the new ships, they look awesome. Can't wait till I can get my hands on them. Don't think it will leave the station though! |
Lt Shard
Team Pizza Good at this Game
113
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Posted - 2017.04.25 20:06:38 -
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"Their DPS isn't anything special "
This is an understatement.
Maybe bump it up a touch, like bonuses from 5% to 7.5% |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3336
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Posted - 2017.04.26 15:01:53 -
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Lt Shard wrote:"Their DPS isn't anything special "
This is an understatement.
Maybe bump it up a touch, like bonuses from 5% to 7.5%
According to Fozzie, they are meant to be underpowered. He never precised at what sec status they should feel underpowered but they are supposed to. |
Malon Kreed
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2017.04.27 07:03:40 -
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Loving the design of the Frigate and Cruiser. It's like a Mordu's Legion Designer suddenly realized there was more than 2 dimensions. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nogero
907
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Posted - 2017.04.27 21:35:20 -
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Ci'Fera wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:[quote=Ci'Fera] A tad more dps is my guess.
I would think 5% damage would put out the same as 5%rate of fire?
RoF does give more DPS, since it is a subtractive bonus. The main reason here, however, is almost definitely to avoid overbuffing the alpha-strike on artillery fits.
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Lt Shard
Team Pizza Good at this Game
113
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Posted - 2017.04.28 06:09:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lt Shard wrote:"Their DPS isn't anything special "
This is an understatement.
Maybe bump it up a touch, like bonuses from 5% to 7.5% According to Fozzie, they are meant to be underpowered. He never precised at what sec status they should feel underpowered but they are supposed to.
there is underpowered and then there is useless |
Grandpa Cholo
CryNet. Solyaris Chtonium
0
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Posted - 2017.05.09 14:53:31 -
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Oh hai, you've been playing the game for years but can't afford to go to Fanfest? Well here's a great big **** you! Only those people who have excessive money can have this new toy!
Thanks CCP. |
badside
Dauphin Enterprises Inc.
0
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Posted - 2017.05.11 19:37:34 -
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I bought a bunch of the Pacifier CSM shuttles, they also got a redesign since they were based on the pacifier frigate. You fly a cool looking ship without being a target or spending a fortune for a useless ship.
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Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
280
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Posted - 2017.05.12 03:25:30 -
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Grandpa Cholo wrote:Oh hai, you've been playing the game for years but can't afford to go to Fanfest? Well here's a great big **** you! Only those people who have excessive money can have this new toy!
Thanks CCP.
They did say that they would open them up later, so you just have to be patient .
Also they will be on the market as soon as they are released. a few bil ISK is a lot less than a Fanfest ticket + travel ect. |
DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2957
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Posted - 2017.05.18 00:30:37 -
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So.. when are you releasing them? Cause its been a bit and i have not seen an update
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Milostiev
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2017.05.19 05:35:52 -
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Malon Kreed wrote:Loving the design of the Frigate and Cruiser. It's like a Mordu's Legion Designer suddenly realized there was more than 2 dimensions.
And then went overboard on the Oz axis. :P |
Aeryn Maricadie
Serious About Space Things. Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2017.06.19 06:31:11 -
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Sorry but I think the cruiser looks like it has a giant dong. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1245
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Posted - 2017.06.19 15:09:01 -
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I kind of wish the two sec status buffs actually had better synergy without feeling somewhat mutually exclusive. Sucks that the damage sucks, too, but that's to be expected I guess. Pretty gimmicky all the same. Even the EWAR bonuses are well short of the Arazu and Rapier.
My hat is off for the aesthetics, though. They did an amazing job on the visual designs. Odd and somewhat disappointing, though, that there's in fact no red and blue flashing lights to speak of on them that I saw. Now, if only there were...police sirens!
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1245
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Posted - 2017.06.19 15:09:47 -
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Aeryn Maricadie wrote:Sorry but I think the cruiser looks like it has a giant dong.
Wait till you see an Enforcer enter and exit warp! Trust me, you'll have a chuckle.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Duo Roman
Warp Nomads
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Posted - 2017.06.20 16:44:12 -
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For a ship that has nice bonus to active tanking, the Pacifier cap recharge rate is rather small. Please increase cap size or reduce cap regarge time so we can actually use this bonus without limiting even more the damage output.
Thanks! |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1217
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Posted - 2017.07.03 03:02:47 -
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Quote:5% ROF bonus is half of what tempest fleet issue have TFI also have 5% DMG bonus and is still bottom feeder in terms of dps from minmatar battleships lineup both have 6 gun slots.
Include no drone bay and its new concord Marshal for ya so you will struggle to break 600 dps with large artys
Cruise Marshal on the other hand will brake 1000dps and torp marshall will be viable pushing 1500-1600 dps since 7/7 low mid ratio will allow pretty sick application and range.
Perfectly balanced nothing to see here.
Any of you CCP professionals care to comment on 400 and up damage difference in between minmatar / caldari weapon system here not counting projection or application...that would be swell from you?
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Aeryn Maricadie
Serious About Space Things. Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2017.07.04 17:28:22 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Quote:5% ROF bonus is half of what tempest fleet issue have TFI also have 5% DMG bonus and is still bottom feeder in terms of dps from minmatar battleships lineup both have 6 gun slots.
Include no drone bay and its new concord Marshal for ya so you will struggle to break 600 dps with large artys
Cruise Marshal on the other hand will brake 1000dps and torp marshall will be viable pushing 1500-1600 dps since 7/7 low mid ratio will allow pretty sick application and range.
Perfectly balanced nothing to see here. Any of you CCP professionals care to comment on 400 and up damage difference in between minmatar / caldari weapon system here not counting projection or application...that would be swell from you? Artillery is about alpha strike not DPS, that's why its king of fleet comps, but try and use it to solo DPS someone you are gonna have a bad time. If they Buff artillery too much it will break fleet engagements. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1217
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Posted - 2017.07.05 01:09:08 -
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Aeryn Maricadie wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Quote:5% ROF bonus is half of what tempest fleet issue have TFI also have 5% DMG bonus and is still bottom feeder in terms of dps from minmatar battleships lineup both have 6 gun slots.
Include no drone bay and its new concord Marshal for ya so you will struggle to break 600 dps with large artys
Cruise Marshal on the other hand will brake 1000dps and torp marshall will be viable pushing 1500-1600 dps since 7/7 low mid ratio will allow pretty sick application and range.
Perfectly balanced nothing to see here. Any of you CCP professionals care to comment on 400 and up damage difference in between minmatar / caldari weapon system here not counting projection or application...that would be swell from you? Artillery is about alpha strike not DPS, that's why its king of fleet comps, but try and use it to solo DPS someone you are gonna have a bad time. If they Buff artillery too much it will break fleet engagements.
You are completely missing the point
Caldari Marshal is basically raven without drones dps wise
Minmatar Marshall is HALF of tempest without drones dps wise
Alpha strike has nothing to do with it but so you just don't come back with it Marshall have significant lower alpha strike than any minmatar ship using same weaponry while having around 40% less dps than caldari version so it have nothing going for it and CCP would know the best why is that ok and their answer would be the most appreciated one,,,,
Because i am pretty sure if caldari marshall was doing 600dps it would be corrected ASAP.
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Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
165
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Posted - 2017.07.30 16:30:51 -
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Would it be possible to open up this thread on the new forums?
I know, that the Pacifier and Enforcer have already been released, but the marshal hasn't. After next Thursday it won't be possible anymore to provide feedback anymore, because this forum shuts down.
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=24183
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