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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.12.29 05:34:00 -
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Completed/Currently running bonds:
Bond #1 (500m isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=7422
and its subsequent thread announcing its completion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&m=127864
Bond #2 (2bn isk, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18073&find=unread
Bond #3 (3bn, Matured, paid out concurrently with bond 4): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23688
Bond #4 (5bn, Matured, paid out concurrently with bond 3): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30892&find=unread
Bond #5 (12bn, Matured, paid out): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=39360&p=2
Standard Introduction:
Hello to all - I have been playing eve close to 2 years now and have been practicing with small investments on the market. I believe I have been waiting for a while to get a chance to start a bond and this seems like a decent starting point.
A little bit about myself and my corp - My entire corp of Often AFK is my 2 mains and alts. All 6 chars are trained in PI, and I am currently running 12 planets in a WH with elite CC for PI which nets me between 700 to 800m a month with this char and another, Colonel Vatutin. My total assets excluding the resources in the WH come to about 37.2 bn at the moment, and that is not counting the last monthly income from PI of approx. 700-800m, increased now due to better PI market conditions to a little over 1.1bn. Most of them are heavily invested in the markets, and since I have been investing seriously since the end of august I have been able to gain a good 30% back on my investments due to heavy market PVP. I started with about 1.18 bn on liquid isk around the end of august this year, and is now investing a little over 24bn.
The #6 bond amount will be to 18bn, with shares offered at 100m increments for a total of 120 shares. The rate will be set at 12%, and I hope to fill it soon and run it until December 29th, 2011.
Otherwise, terms are similar to what it was in the past. Only this time, please send it to Colonel Vatutin.
I am still doing some PI after deciding against pulling out of the WH then concentrating on potential manufacturing and increased between-trading activities with DJ Blackman and other alts stationed in new eden. I would assume it would balance out the same as before, perhaps with slight increase. Even if everything somehow went south, I could potentially liquidate around 60% of my total market escrow to cover 20bn + interest at will from total of 34.2bn current escrow.
Details are as follows:
- 20bn total bond value, available in 100m for each bond share. 100,000,000.01 isk bonds will be returned to owners due not following instructions
- 12% return with principle at the end of the cycle exactly on Jan. 29th, 2012.
- Bond will run as soon as it is filled and iskies are received.
- Send ISK to Colonel Vatutin - my other main in the same corp.
- No collateral, only my trust and yours in making this work.
- Risk of running: As I always say, why the hell would I run off in a char with some few bucks worth of isk when I invested over twenty times that playing eve for 2 years on two accounts? Why would I risk ostracizing and biomassing my chars for this amount? To me, these two accounts are culmination of a series of hard-learned lessons that I hope to expand upon and achieve a notable degree of financial and influential success. But then, it all comes down to mutual trust in investments.
The reason I do so without a collateral offering is the following:
I believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online, and I hope to earn that trust to expand my business! Btw- chribba is a fine example of trust as an invaluable asset- I do hope I can do the same. In the future with greater amount I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals, but I wanted to prove with these humble bond offerings that I can be trusted - with or without oversights. I believe this is a risky but sincere manner in which I hope to earn your trust. Normally such offerings will give 8-10%, but considering the risk, I am offering greater rates at 12%.
Furthermore, eve for me is a way to relieve stress in a virtual world; as generic as that sounds, some people actually have a life (WAT??) and I have my fill of dealing with scumbaggery and general s#ht in real life, I do not need more here. I want to explore just what I can achieve in a comparatively secure (trust me it is) environment that is eve and hope similarly like minded people would agree in this endeavor. If interested, see past threads about answers to questions regarding my policy in this matter.
Also, I will be willing to put up collaterals and other safety net options , so if you have concerns previous investors, please feel free to let me know. As you have chosen to offer me your trust, it is only fair that you have a place to suggest whether you would be more comfortable in such settings, or if you have no problems with current details. It is overall greater profit for all in its current state of offering, since more liquid isk flowing = greater chance at making profit. But ofcourse, you have a significant say in whether you will continue to feel comfortable, or suggest at which point you would like me to offer safety nets. As previous investors, It is entirely within your right to give such advice and ask for such details
Smooth sailing
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LlamaBin Llama
Club Bear
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:17:00 -
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First!
And in before trolls. |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
93
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:32:00 -
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Bond #1 - 500m Bond #2 - 2bn Bond #3 - 3bn Bond #4 - 5bn Bond #5 - 12bn Bong #6 - 20bn...
Have we reached your acceptable scam point yet? Or are you holding out for 50bil? Damn nature, you scary! |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 11:59:00 -
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I honestly can't think of anything that looks more transparently like a rep grind for a big cash-out. My guess is it will either be this one or the next one.
This is MD. Most people will get the Xbn that they ask for, regardless. There's no easier money in New Eden, it seems. But I'm just calling it like I see it. No hard feelings. |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
4
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Posted - 2011.12.29 12:47:00 -
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Put me down for 5bn. I'll trasnfer the isk later today.
Happy isk-making! JA
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General Mic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 15:33:00 -
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I'll put in 1bn. |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises One Stop Research
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 16:46:00 -
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General Mic wrote:I'll put in 1bn. But I'm going to hold my money until I see more people invest into your bond.
Baa.
At least you're an honest sheep. |
General Mic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 17:30:00 -
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Magnu Stormhawk wrote:General Mic wrote:I'll put in 1bn. But I'm going to hold my money until I see more people invest into your bond. Baa. At least you're an honest sheep.
Well since people are looking at this like a scam I don't want to put my money into it now and then it not reach its 20bn goal and fight to get my money back later. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:40:00 -
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Juunichi Asakura - Your reservation of 5bn has been noted.
General Mic - Thank you for your interest. I am sure you will have time to put in that 1bn when a few more people show up =) Just remember the reservation policy, and that any and all requests for reservations must be clearly stated ('I would like to reserve so- and so- amount of isk/shares).
Keep it coming folks, and thank you again for your continued interest in these ventures. I just wish holidays ended sooner so I could have spent more time in eve last few weeks =) |
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:48:00 -
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@DJ Blackman
It's erroneous to use the phrase "Shareholder" in the context of investing in your Bond. There is a large difference in debt vs. equity when it comes to financial instruments and for good reason. I can't make you change it, and it may seem like a small detail to you, but the phrase "Bondholder" is more appropriate and implies a different set of rights to the investor (which is ultimately more favorable to you).
See Defined Stock and Bond models for the EVE Market for some additional information if you're interested.
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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:19:00 -
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@ Hexxx
Thank you for your sound input. I will look into it at the earliest opportunity and make the changes within a day as I get the time to read through some of the things you mentioned.
Such helpful advice are all welcome. There cannot be any 'small' details where such bonds and offers are concerned =) |
General Mic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:02:00 -
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I apologize, I would like to reserve 10 shares for 1bn. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
1
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:17:00 -
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@ General Mic
Reservations noted. Thank you. |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
4
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Posted - 2011.12.30 08:22:00 -
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Confirming Isk sent.
JA |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
94
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Posted - 2011.12.30 08:39:00 -
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OP, why bother even logging in with Junnichi Asakura, a simple "My alt thinks all my offerings are legit" will do. For investors new to this, check previous investment threads, 10 points per suspicious similarity you find. Damn nature, you scary! |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
4
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Posted - 2011.12.30 09:03:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:OP, why bother even logging in with Junnichi Asakura, a simple "My alt thinks all my offerings are legit" will do. For investors new to this, check previous investment threads, 10 points per suspicious similarity you find.
Confirming that investing in each of these sucessful Bond offerings since the start, and that my current feeling is that the OP is trustworthy, means I am an alt... How points have I scored for posting like how I post btw?
and to be honest, if you are basing your theory on posts in the previous Bond offerings wouldn't it be fair to say you, Elise and Eddie are also alts of the OP too! Perhaps he's bi-polar are you are the evil-alts and i'm one of the good-alts?!
JA
(edit: spelling failure) |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:35:00 -
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Confirming JA isk received. Thank you. I hope you invest even more in the future =)
Waiting on General Mic....with about 6 hours to go |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
7
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Posted - 2011.12.30 22:42:00 -
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Ignoring comes off like steamrolling. Not an appealing look for a bond offerer. |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
108
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Posted - 2011.12.31 09:18:00 -
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JA, you come to these threads defense an awful lot for a meer investor. Damn nature, you scary! |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
2
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Posted - 2011.12.31 12:30:00 -
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we can do api check to confirm we are all separate entities through a trustworthy 3rd party (oh but I thought u never trusted anyone?) - but you will have to foot the bill, and receive JA's consent. I will speak with him to see if he is willing to do so, but remember, you will have to foot the bill and put money where your mouth is =) |
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DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
174
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Posted - 2011.12.31 16:47:00 -
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You realise an API check will do nothing to prove he's not your alt, I know it's nearly unheard of, but some people have more than one account on this particular game! Shock, horror, I know. Damn nature, you scary! |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.01 01:05:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:You realise an API check will do nothing to prove he's not your alt, I know it's nearly unheard of, but some people have more than one account on this particular game! Shock, horror, I know.
lol but it can prove great many things about transactions, etc that can raise questions about whether one person operating them can do at once, etc. But then, what do I know. apparently a person can be in two places at once according to scam paranoia in these boards =)
Healthy skepticism is all well and good, but there comes a point where neither you or even the offering party can offer absolute proof of any kind to off set some of the wildest delusions of self-serving 'clairvoyant forum wisdom (lol) of people who not only make baseless accusations (I can feel it in my guts! he never said people should believe him but I will think he does because that's what "I" always do and everyone thinks like mehhh) but actually believe it is their right to presume facts.
Really, so many ways a person can scam, so many ways a person can try to make it look like an alt, or not.....it's a really moot question. If you are so keen to know, why don't you ask CCP? If any one would actually allow this in ccp (probably not at all likely lol), I would be happy to give a go-ahead and let them tell you whether JA and my accounts are under different names, different RL accounts, etc. Just a yes or no answer with no details. Make a petition, never hurts to try....or are you simply saying cheap words but are not willing to take action?
But even in your wildest dreams they would allow that, you would still :gasp: wonder if this is one person operating two different accounts with identity theft?
Would you like your tin foil hat now? |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
34
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Posted - 2012.01.01 02:18:00 -
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The "lol" and smiley faces tossed sneeringly into your defensive posts are pretty revealing. You can learn a lot about somebody's character by how they maintain composure under pressure. I don't think you're doing a very good job right now. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.01 03:26:00 -
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It only seemed fitting, seeing as how such folks would like to throw around such baseless accusations not only for myself but other innocent bystandards as well. Perhaps they would like to invest and find out for themselves how accurate their 'predictions' are? 'Pressure' seems like an over reaction.....maybe pestering would be a better word for it. You can also learn a lot about a person doing such things as well.
But no matter.....no hard feelings, right mu-shi? :tinfoilhat: |
DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
176
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:09:00 -
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These accusations have a base. The whole concept of the rep-grinding, gradual bond size increase offering, where no collateral is offered is more than not a scam. To just pick a number out of my backside I'll say 80% of these growing offerings end up in a scam of some kind. It is therefore the norm that a thread like this is a scam. Instead of arguing the same points that are always thrown about, why not prove it and offer some collateral to a third party. You can make us out to be "tin-foil hatters" but you know as well as we do that there is a very small chance you're not going to scam, simply by just playing the odds...I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu, I was giving very similar responses to almost identical defenses a couple of months ago to that Jita Bank bloke. I hope you have some interesting vids of Youtube to be found too.
Oh, and this isn't pestering, it's derailment. Damn nature, you scary! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
93
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Posted - 2012.01.01 09:37:00 -
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I offer cheap 3rd party collateral handling. Since I held well MD tracked > 90B already, 20B are nuggets. |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
34
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Posted - 2012.01.01 10:06:00 -
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Quote:I believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online, and I hope to earn that trust to expand my business! Btw- chribba is a fine example of trust as an invaluable asset- I do hope I can do the same. In the future with greater amount I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals, but I wanted to prove with these humble bond offerings that I can be trusted - with or without oversights. I believe this is a risky but sincere manner in which I hope to earn your trust. Normally such offerings will give 8-10%, but considering the risk, I am offering greater rates at 12%.
Let me just take apart this paragraph from your proposal.
First, you say that you "believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online," and propose to earn this trust by not posting collateral for a 20bn ISK loan. That is literally what you say in the first sentence of the paragraph. Here's why I'm not providing collateral: because I want to build trust! I can already tell you're a glass-half-full kind of guy.
Secondly, you invoke Chribba's name as a blind swipe at building legitimacy.
Third, you go on to completely contradict the twisted point you made in your first sentence by saying that, sometime down the line, "I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals." Why, in this speculative future scenario, would you need to provide Chribba with collateral to hold onto, if you're destined to be the type of trustworthy guy who doesn't need to put up collateral in the first place?
Fourth, according to you 20bn ISK is a "humble bond offering," and you seem to indicate that such piddly amounts just don't need to be secured by collateral. Considering it would be your biggest bond offering to date (by quite a bit!), I'm not sure you have the proper perspective to be referring to that as a "humble" loan amount.
Fifth, and last, you play the old "considering the risk, I'll give X% interest" card, which is and has always been a gigantic red herring. How does the amount you promise to return on the loan have anything to do with helping me assess the risk of you running off with my investment? It never has and it never will. I could promise a 200% return on a loan, and it wouldn't have any bearing on whether anybody could trust me not to take the money and run.
That was an analysis of one, single paragraph in your proposal, and I easily came up with five very solid reasons to be skeptical of it. So go ahead, tell us we have no basis. It only makes you look less and less appealing to the people you're trying to scam. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.01 17:39:00 -
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well aren't these trolls trying hard. Is my thread that interesting? ^^
Mu-shi, I think you really need to re-examine your reasoning and understand the difference between 'convincing in your own head' and 'reality'. I typed out a response to your points which pointed out the presumptions and baseless assertions in your accusations, but the forum ate it =( so you can convo colonel vatutin if you wish for more. Unless, of course, you are not even willing to go that far to pursue 'legitimate' questions...
Remember, think about 'correct within my own line of thought' vs. 'what could be otherwise in reality' may offer a clue as to why your points are in fact very myopic. Convo colonel vatutin if you are this interested ^^
@Vaerah
Your offer is noted....though I may probably use more widely known services. Thank you for your offer.
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Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
55
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Posted - 2012.01.01 22:18:00 -
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Oh, yes. I'm certain now that you're telling the truth. You definitely had a nice, long post written out which countered all of my perfectly legitimate points, but the forum ate it. Did your dog eat your homework a lot when you were in grade school as well?
Just one more reason to trust DJ Blackman, folks. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.01 23:05:00 -
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Like I said, do convo me. I believe you will find that I am perfectly willing to answer ^^ I am not concerned with telling you things like that which may put me in a bad light - but you seem too lazy to even convo me now. If you don't even want to go that far, than there's little to trust your words or you on anything really..
it is also very interesting to note how trolls don't try to point out or make legitimate rebuttles against my posts other than 'lolololi don't trust you and no one should either because I am a useless cynic with unwarranted self-importance lolol'
Really, why are you not answering any of my points pointing out obvious questions about how you 'legitimately' accuse others but are not willing to go one step towards actually putting your money where your mouth is? |
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Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
80
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Posted - 2012.01.02 09:41:00 -
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Bond is filling nicely, eh? |
Eddie Laydon
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.01.02 12:22:00 -
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DJ Blackman wrote:Like I said, do convo me. I believe you will find that I am perfectly willing to answer ^^ I am not concerned with telling you things like that which may put me in a bad light - but you seem too lazy to even convo me now. Your line of reasoning chiefly depends upon interpreting those sentences and words through your own prism, while you fail to realize that what other people meant is completely outside of your abilities to understand so simply.
Take, for example, of you hanging off the words 'humble offerings' - when I say so, I simply think that many people have greater experience than myself in handling greater amount of isk, and is simply making a gesture that I am not presuming anyone should think my thought in putting this bond forward is some kind of grand offering that everything revolves around. It is a simply matter of respectful gesture that shows I am acknowledging others may have more experience handling greater amounts of isk on daily basis, and I would be glad to partake in investing their money for mutual benefits. Such a simple statement, yet you attempt to twist it and interpret it to your own smug little point of view that I must also be so smug and snide in dealing with others. How about you do not presume to tell others meaning of their own words?
Another example, is how you think I am 'swiping' chribba's name to somehow 'legitimitize' myself. Now that requires a real stretch of imagination that only sounds good to those who would think in such a way. Where, oh where in my statement did I ever state that this bond or others have either direct or indirect support/connection/ or anything related to chribba? I was simply stating that his business is a good example of successful business, and that it is a merely an example to show such is possible. To think you would somehow interpret this as me attempting to take another's name in support of my own shows your presumptuousness even more.
The only point you even remotely make sense by not relying entirely upon your narrow-minded view of how other's think is regarding the fifth point of higher rates, and even that falls flat on the ground. Your interesting interpretation that I am stating it covers risk of running or otherwise shows how you presume to think I am making that offer within your subjective reasoning. The increased rates OF COURSE does not cover such risk. In the world of eve, if you attempt to scam there are ways to get around virtually all safeguards. I am neither denying nor hiding such an obvious matter. The point is, then, the higher rates, is a small but concrete gesture of appreciation towards those willing to take a chance at such ventures when I extend the olive branch, a matter of mutual benefit and a gesture of appreciation. That is all there is to it, yet somehow, once again, you presume that your interpretation is what others think.
All these points are moot in the face of the obvious basics: All I can offer is a choice, and some evidence to support my intentions. You don't want to partake, then no one's forcing you. I have never said that I can offer an absolute proof that I can be trusted. I only believe that greater benefit is possible with mutual cooperation between like minded folks, and that as long as they hold up their side of the bargain and offer same respect as I would, I have no reason personally to pursue a course different than what I had outlined. It is a choice, not one-sided persuasion, and I can respect others in their choices as well.
These questions and their fundemental problems have been discussed to death already so I really suggest you delve into past threads about how they are answered. Or convo me, doesn't matter.
If you don't even want to go that far, than there's little weight your words or you on anything really..
it is also very interesting to note how trolls don't try to point out or make legitimate rebuttles against my posts other than 'lolololi don't trust you and no one should either because I am a useless cynic with unwarranted self-importance lolol'
Really, why are you not answering any of my points pointing out obvious questions about how you 'legitimately' accuse others but are not willing to go one step towards actually putting your money where your mouth is?
The reason no one wants to answer your questions/points is because you rarely make any sense. All your arguments/rebuttals are based on the idea that we are disrespectful, presumptuous idiots. Why would anyone want to talk to you, you literally insult us in every paragraph.
It is your job to convince us that you are legit. If (and thats a really big if) we have misinterpreted your posts then it is at least partly your fault. I dont understand why potential investors have to contact you personally to get answers to their questions. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.02 12:50:00 -
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lolwut
that's all that can be said.
It's filling up as it should, but thank you for your 'concern' and 'no hard feelings' mu-shi =) |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
80
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Posted - 2012.01.02 13:25:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:The reason no one wants to answer your questions/points is because you rarely make any sense. All your arguments/rebuttals are based on the idea that we are disrespectful, presumptuous idiots. Why would anyone want to talk to you, you literally insult us in every paragraph.
It is your job to convince us that you are legit. If (and thats a really big if) we have misinterpreted your posts then it is at least partly your fault. I dont understand why potential investors have to contact you personally to get answers to their questions.
It's pretty obvious by now that he's trolling. The defensiveness/smugness with which he's responded has become the biggest red flag in the whole proposal. You really do have to praise the sack on this guy, though, if only for the way he so overtly tries to spin every negative point about his proposal into a positive feature. No collateral? Hey, it's an opportunity to build trust! Too risky? Here, I'll give you a couple extra percent interest! Why so much ISK? Whaa??? This is a "humble offering"! People wipe their asses with 20bn ISK every day, don't they?
A long, drawn-out, multi-offering troll. That's what this is. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.02 15:29:00 -
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I guess you have no problems flinging smug and defensive attitude to others but sure get riled when someone else gives it back? lol you won't see me trying to 'spin' anything. rather you should try to think outside your own little world and perhaps wonder why it is others succeed in ways you don't have to balls to try ^^
The only difference here is that I am willing to recognize difference in opinions in others, while you flat out attempt to stereotype anyone thinking differently as 'stupid', 'naive', 'glass-half full guy', etc. You don't seem to realize that 'recognizing difference' does not mean 'recognizing differences only comfortable to your way of thinking', but also those that are not. I have no problem with people pointing out glaring problems or giving well-founded criticism. Everyone has a problem with those whose intentions are not to be constructive, but to be obstructive in their disrespectful manner and attitude.
As for such response raising red flags, I can only apologize to the others in the peanut gallery, but sometimes even trolling has its dues, and I for one feel obliged somewhat that I need to defend my proposal at least from delusionals who seem to believe everyone else in the world must think the same as they do.....and presume to think they somehow hold rights to preach how other's should think as well.
Offer is ongoing, will respond to some of the mails. Also, please direct all mails to Colonel Vatutin, as he is logged most of the time. |
Avensys
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
82
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Posted - 2012.01.02 16:35:00 -
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tbh MD really needs a few successful scams.
+1 |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.02 16:45:00 -
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Would you like to put in isk and find out for yourself avensys? |
Hillesumos
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:05:00 -
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Sent 1bn to colonel, happy investing |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:17:00 -
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Thank you, Hillesumos for your investment once again =)
Open for more investors. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
103
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:52:00 -
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DJ Blackman wrote: @Vaerah
Your offer is noted....though I may probably use more widely known services. Thank you for your offer.
You are welcome.
You'll find you how mine is one of the more widely known services who would consider a 20B operation and without skinning you alive. |
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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:08:00 -
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'you how mine'? care to elaborate?
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Stabmeldys
Zero Taxes Corp.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:13:00 -
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Please reserve me 35 shares. ISK will be sent today. Good luck in your business. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.04 10:29:00 -
[43] - Quote
Reservation noted Stabmeldys. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
108
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Posted - 2012.01.04 11:35:00 -
[44] - Quote
DJ Blackman wrote:'you how mine'? care to elaborate?
Sorry, English is not my forte.
Should read:
You'll find out how my service is one of the more widely known ones which would consider a 20B operation and without skinning you alive with mega-fees. |
Stabmeldys
Zero Taxes Corp.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.04 20:47:00 -
[45] - Quote
DJ Blackman wrote:Reservation noted Stabmeldys. ISK sent. Please confirm.
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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.04 20:48:00 -
[46] - Quote
Thank you for clarifying Vaerah.
Confirming Stabmeldys sending 3.5bn isk for bonds.
Bond still open open for at least 8bn or so. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Hearts And Minds Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.01.05 04:07:00 -
[47] - Quote
DelBoy Trades wrote:Bond #1 - 500m Bond #2 - 2bn Bond #3 - 3bn Bond #4 - 5bn Bond #5 - 12bn Bong #6 - 20bn...
Have we reached your acceptable scam point yet? Or are you holding out for 50bil? yeah I was going to say the same thing.
These threads really are ridiculous and serve no purpose other than to trollololol people into thinking eves market is anything but scams of variable magnitude. |
General Mic
WarTech Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
I'm going back to afghan land so I'm canceling my 10 shares reservation. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:35:00 -
[49] - Quote
Of course, I understand. Thank you for your services, and good luck on your next tour of duty. |
General Mic
WarTech Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:37:00 -
[50] - Quote
Good luck on your bond. |
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LlamaBin Llama
Club Bear
3
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Posted - 2012.01.06 19:33:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'll throw 20 shares in the mix. Why not? Didn't get scammed on the last bond. :) |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.06 19:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
Thank you for your investments, Llama. I will update as soon as this other investor has posted his confirmation - he sent me the isk and eve mail but did not post here. |
Lupe Lamora
Pain Arising
0
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Posted - 2012.01.06 22:52:00 -
[53] - Quote
Confirming.
Sent 600mill Isk for 6 Shares.
Thanks |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:50:00 -
[54] - Quote
Thank you, Lupe Lamora for your investment and confirmation. |
LlamaBin Llama
Club Bear
3
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
2B transferred. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.07 21:33:00 -
[56] - Quote
confirmed, llama. Thank you again.
Bond still open for 7.9-8.9bn isk. Get it while it's on =) |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
78
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Update for Payday =)
Payments will be rendered as agreed with 12% interest to investors.
Juunichi Asakura - 5.6bn Hillesumos - 1.12bn Stabmeldys - 3.92bn Lupe Lamora - 672m LlamaBin Llama - 2.24bn
Total Payout: 13.552bn isk
Thank you investors for investing in this bond - it seems that certain limit has been reached as expected on bond gathering based on methods utilized so far, as expected I have to say, it was much more successful thanks to those willing to lend me the opportunity to invest their isk. I believe that it was necessary to conduct a form of uncollateralized bonds to show a certain degree of trust for investors and myself, but knew that pragmatic reasons would require I make collaterals available in the future. I had hoped I could reach the point where such limit was reached at the same time as having sufficient capital in hand where it would be profitable in the long run to post collaterals rather than not, and thanks again to investors willing to put in a degree of trust, I was able to achieve this. For that, I thank those of you who have invested thus far in the bonds for taking a chance with relative newcomer in the bond business.
As promised in earlier bonds, I am now considering collateralizing the future bonds to amount that I believe is appropriate to draw out maximum profit based on my current total asset capital, which is reaching somewhere around 45bn =)
I have been consulting with various people including previous investors, and I believe a hybrid bond with partial collateral amount is another way to go about doing these to start with. Once again, thank you for lending me your trust in helping me getting my total assets up to the point where collaterals become profitable instead of being an economic suicide in terms of profits.
The next bond will be probably partially collateralized, with collateral amount up for investment separate from rest of the bond amount. Probably within 20bn range, with about 8bn collateralized and rest up for uncollateralized amount, seeing as it was possible to raise little above 12.1bn from previous contract methods. That could change depending on investors (people who have invested with me in the past) input.
Investors, please confirm receipt of your isk as specified. Thank you, and hope you invest again |
LlamaBin Llama
Club Bear
3
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Posted - 2012.01.30 00:22:00 -
[58] - Quote
Thank you sir! Isk received. Looking forward to the next bond.
I'll be interested in the collateralized portion. |
Stabmeldys
Zero Taxes Corp.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.31 07:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
Confirming: interest rate and initial investment have been paid. Everything ran smoothly, thank you. Looking forward to have more business with you. Cheers. |
Hillesumos
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:10:00 -
[60] - Quote
same here interest and capital paid....
I have sent 1B for new bond offering. |
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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
79
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Posted - 2012.02.02 00:50:00 -
[61] - Quote
Thank you for your interests hillesumos. However, please wait to send your isk when I formally open up the bond as soon as i receive JA's confirmation. I have sent back the isk for now, so I hope it would be ok for you to send them when the bond is formally open. Thank you again for your continued interest. |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
37
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
Apologies for the late reply i've been on my honeymoon for the last 3 weeks!
Either way, count me in for 5b in your next Bond. Will mail you the isk asap (tomorrow)
JA |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
79
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Posted - 2012.02.11 20:50:00 -
[63] - Quote
Thank you for your confirmation JA. I hoped all investors could sign in to confirm, but I can only guess they are either too busy or not active. I feel I waited long enough to move on to the next bond. I will be opening the bond shortly, you can send the isk then. Would you like to invest in the uncollateralized or collateralized potion? |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
37
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:48:00 -
[64] - Quote
DJ Blackman wrote:Thank you for your confirmation JA. I hoped all investors could sign in to confirm, but I can only guess they are either too busy or not active. I feel I waited long enough to move on to the next bond. I will be opening the bond shortly, you can send the isk then. Would you like to invest in the uncollateralized or collateralized potion?
I'm happy with the uncollateralized portion, please. JA |
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