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Il'Rik Rik'Kha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:23:43 -
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I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega. The issue is - as the title can suggest - that I have some $$$ to use but... There is nothing to buy. Yes, correct, the garment for the characters, and the skins for the ships. But seriously? I mean: they are useless, nothing more that something fancy. I've seen the "Content Packs": nice. But why the "Explorer" pack is only for Caldari, the Industrialist for Amarr and so on? In my humble/arrogant opinion those packs are a clever idea: make them empire-agnostic, and add also other - new - packs. In short: give me something to buy.
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Marcus Heth
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:26:09 -
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The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.
One step forward, two steps back. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:41:59 -
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People buy PLEX and sell it on market to gain ISK for ships they can bling out and use in fights. These people have money and dont have time to grind ISK. But they want fights.
The rest is just an additional fancy stuff to bling out even more.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.02 09:52:34 -
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(@_a¦á) What kind of pesantry is this?
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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:31:49 -
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Marcus Heth wrote:The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.
One step forward, two steps back. Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription.
And how dare they refuse to destroy their lauded ingame economy by allowing direct cash ship purchases.
Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it with ingame money made from playing.
"Two steps back," he says. LOL. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:38:23 -
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega. The issue is - as the title can suggest - that I have some $$$ to use but... There is nothing to buy. Yes, correct, the garment for the characters, and the skins for the ships. But seriously? I mean: they are useless, nothing more that something fancy. I've seen the "Content Packs": nice. But why the "Explorer" pack is only for Caldari, the Industrialist for Amarr and so on? In my humble/arrogant opinion those packs are a clever idea: make them empire-agnostic, and add also other - new - packs. In short: give me something to buy.
Bye bye!
What sort of things would you like to buy?
The content packs you mention are pretty much worthless because everything in them can be gained in game in about 5 minutes.
Eve really doesn't need content packs, when it has "PLEX" to "ISK" to "buy anything you want from other players from the market"
If you want to spend some money....buy some PLEX from CCP and use the isk to buy shiney stuff from the market.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:45:44 -
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Zirashi wrote:Marcus Heth wrote:The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.
One step forward, two steps back. Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription. And how dare they refuse to allow direct cash ship purchases that would destroy their lauded ingame economy in the process. Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it with ingame money made from playing. "Two steps back," he says. LOL.
Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.
A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.
" Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer "
Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.02 11:52:24 -
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Quote:Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.
A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.
" Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer "
Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.
This!
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
1154
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Posted - 2017.04.02 12:09:47 -
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:Quote:Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.
A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.
" Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer "
Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more. This! You already have that.
Its called buy PLEX from CCP and sell it to other players for isk. Then you buy all the stuff from the market. If you don't know what to buy, there are lots of information sources out there.
If you want to bypass the market and buy ships directly from CCP you break the game. Mining, Industry would become worthless. Missioning and exploration also if you can buy a Rattlesnake (or other Faction items) direct from CCP.
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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
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Posted - 2017.04.02 12:21:53 -
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I don't mean to be nasty, but did you even think that through? Think about what instantly generating faction or T2 battleships from nothing and instant millions of SP would do to the game and its economy.
Then there's the idea that all newbros need is a youtube video and a credit card and they're all set for flying a Sin solo.
C'mon man, why u trolling. |
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:02:41 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Zirashi wrote:Marcus Heth wrote:The content packs were introduced because Steam likes to sell "DLC", and in the usual half arsed CCP way it never really got fleshed out or thought about properly.
One step forward, two steps back. Yeah, shame on CCP for choosing to include all of the game's expansions free with subscription. And how dare they refuse to allow direct cash ship purchases that would destroy their lauded ingame economy in the process. Lastly, SKINs are exactly the same as the cosmetic DLC found in other games, except here you can also buy it with ingame money made from playing. "Two steps back," he says. LOL. Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead. A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go. " Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer " Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more.
This is possibly the worst idea I have ever seen. It would also completely destroy the game economy. So long as these packs are a "good value" in respect to the isk vs just buying a plex. Then people will just buy these packs instead of a plex. Sell the magically spawned in ships. And extract and sell the SP. This would crash the market for those ships. Crash the SP market. As well as drive up the price of plex until before long they are no different than the existing packs in regards to value. So now you are right back where we are now. With plex being your best option. Only you have also completely destroyed the market for 10+ ships.
Also the list you have given is only some of the more popular meta ships right now. What happens in a year when the fotm changes? Do you just put out more content packs for the new ships and crash those markets too?
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:11:10 -
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If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense.
How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias.
Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:28:07 -
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:I have some toons that are Alpha Clones, and I'm not interested to convert them to Omega. 100 million ISK of mine says that you'll be Omega in 3 months tops (if you are still playing by that time).
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1357
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:32:54 -
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lol
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
456
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:37:42 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.
How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.
I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.
Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.
so on top of ccp magicking a ship from thin air, you also want them to magic isk from thin air as well? at that point why even bother having a player economy? lets just have all ships and modules be seeded on the market, and the only way to get t2 or faction ships is to buy them from the cash store. because that would actually be a more sustainable model than what you are suggesting. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.02 13:45:09 -
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:
This!
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:36:21 -
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Zirashi wrote:Then there's the idea that all newbros need is a youtube video and a credit card and they're all set for flying a Sin solo. They'd also lose it 5 minutes after undocking ;)
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:36:58 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.
How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.
I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.
Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not. so on top of ccp magicking a ship from thin air, you also want them to magic isk from thin air as well? at that point why even bother having a player economy? lets just have all ships and modules be seeded on the market, and the only way to get t2 or faction ships is to buy them from the cash store. because that would actually be a more sustainable model than what you are suggesting.
I don't see how you think my suggestions lead to ISK injection while quoting my post. Are you sure you have read it? The process I described is an exact replica of the player driven process (new player buys PLEX for dollar, sells PLEX for ISK, buys SP/Ship/Skin), except cutting new player's time in figuring out what is a good ship and what he can do with it. Instead of player doing all the buy/sell beginning from PLEX, CCP does it for him until he gets the particular ship/SP via market bots.
It doesn't even have to be a 'market bot'. It can be a "buy all" button plus some automation in applying skills and fitting ships really. With one button you instantly buy a calculated amount of PLEX from CCP, sell it to Jita buy orders, buy ship/SP from Jita sell orders, fit/apply the skills/ship and you are good to go. The USD price can vary system by system, and it's OK if it is unavailable when the stuff is unavailable on the market as well.
I don't necessarily say content packs are good for Eve, but I say this is how you can do it without half assing it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.04.02 14:47:25 -
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Ships for cash?
Biomass and take yourself back to whatever crap game you came from.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.04.02 15:26:46 -
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he is from bombers bar he made drama etc
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2017.04.02 16:47:36 -
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For the low price of $10.95/mo you can have anything in the game. That's the cost of a single lunch, if that. |
Girka Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.04.02 18:36:32 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.
How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.
I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.
Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not.
Yeah, great idea.
Option 1. Ppl sell PLEX and buy stuff. Option 2. CCP bot sells PLEX, buy stuff from market and use that stuff to create expensive packs, from items worth probably hundreds of $$$ that newbs will lose faster than NC. runs from an even fight.
Most resistance to this idea can be reduced to the fact that your idea is dumb. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6292
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Posted - 2017.04.02 18:49:20 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:Quote:Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.
A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.
" Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer "
Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more. This! You already have that. Its called buy PLEX from CCP and sell it to other players for isk. Then you buy all the stuff from the market. If you don't know what to buy, there are lots of information sources out there. If you want to bypass the market and buy ships directly from CCP you break the game. Mining, Industry would become worthless. Missioning and exploration also if you can buy a Rattlesnake (or other Faction items) direct from CCP.
Not empty quoting. With this approach you can do anything you want. That is you are not constrained by some package you bought from CCP. Further, it also works with the in-game economy not against it. By selling PLEX you give some player(s) what he (they) want. You get what you want. Further, you do not disrupt the markets by creating stuff out of thin air. This allows for more people in the game than there otherwise would be and all are better off.
Seriously, CCP gives you the "ultimate content pack" and you can't even see it.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2017.04.02 19:42:24 -
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You got a plus one for the ideas listed as content packs solely because I believe that giving people a further view into Eve is a good thing rather than relying purely on them hit or missing with making friends in a corp or alliance to help them and therefore player retention in the long run. If the time of you have to figure everything out yourself is truly over in Eve then this ideation is a good way to go yet must be done without straight injections of isk, ships or modules into the game but a significant understanding of the pathway. Yes Plex and other things should be the method used yet it is the steps that need to be fleshed out and plex/injector style packages fleshed out and updated periodically. Aka this many plex, these steps, will put you into X ship and role at current levels/prices. Then only the lower tiers need to be introduced for purchase in any way but with full market and economic usage and facilitation occurring.
Content packs seem to be far to weak since Ascension as part of the HUGE draw of them was the extra 20 days of trial time for me. For a pure noob who knows nothing about Eve or hasnt done any homework on the game it was fine toss in the minnow to the shark pool action. Yet these days not watching Eve Youtube or other videos and then trying Eve and sticking around is highly unlikely and one of the big issues contending it is finding people who will find corps/alliances/friends and stick around and then applying a good way to get there if you so wish financially. Making this easier and more granular would facilitate this.
Yet people will complain either way. And I shall laugh either way.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
459
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Posted - 2017.04.02 19:53:49 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:If we are talking content packs, these would be the kind that would make sense. Not the T1 explorer bullshit.
How do you neutralize their economic effects? Well, maybe for each content pack that is sold CCP bots sell PLEX to Jita market and buy the materials/SP books/apparel from the Jita market. It is almost as if the player bought the plex for USD, then sold it to the market, then bought the ships and the SP, minus the middle steps. Pricing could be dinamic with respect to PLEX/material values. Maybe CCP bots buying and selling stuff or doing it at favored stations is problematic, but I don't think these packs will be sold to have a huge impact on the market anyway. It is not as if you have a reason to buy them again and again. Buying content packs to sell the rewards on market won't make financial sense either, thus it won't lead to a market crash, because you get direct skill upgrades and you will need extractors to extract them, costing money in-between. And the SP will probably be the most expensive item within these packs.
I think most of the resistance to this idea can be reduced to status quo bias. If you want Eve to have content packs, this is the best way to go, and economics of it can be solved with half of the energy people will spend to resist and **** on the idea.
Also yeah, from my own experience, I was ready to attempt solo Sin way before I can actually fly a Sin. The pack just bridges that gap. Then again the Sin might be problematic as it requires multiboxing. But everything else is not. so on top of ccp magicking a ship from thin air, you also want them to magic isk from thin air as well? at that point why even bother having a player economy? lets just have all ships and modules be seeded on the market, and the only way to get t2 or faction ships is to buy them from the cash store. because that would actually be a more sustainable model than what you are suggesting. I don't see how you think my suggestions lead to ISK injection while quoting my post. Are you sure you have read it? The process I described is an exact replica of the player driven process (new player buys PLEX for dollar, sells PLEX for ISK, buys SP/Ship/Skin), except cutting new player's time in figuring out what is a good ship and what he can do with it. Instead of player doing all the buy/sell beginning from PLEX, CCP does it for him until he gets the particular ship/SP via market bots. It doesn't even have to be a 'market bot'. It can be a "buy all" button plus some automation in applying skills and fitting ships really. With one button you instantly buy a calculated amount of PLEX from CCP, sell it to Jita buy orders, buy ship/SP from Jita sell orders, fit/apply the skills/ship and you are good to go. The USD price can vary system by system, and it's OK if it is unavailable when the stuff is unavailable on the market as well. I don't necessarily say content packs are good for Eve, but I say this is how you can do it without half assing it.
And how much are you willing to pay extra for that convenience of having everything done for you? 10% 20% and how are you going yo account for different people having different skills already trained? Will it have to do a custom pull for every single person who buys the pack in order to buy them the right number of injectors? Will the prices change based on the current cost of those injectors? Or are they just going to magic the skill points onto your character sheet?
And how much would you be willing to pay for said pack? 20 dollars only gets you 1 plex, that's 2 injectors which is barely even enough for for the light drone skills. Let alone all the other skills you would need to fly the ship even half competently.
And that's not even getting into fittings. |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
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Posted - 2017.04.02 21:46:20 -
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Soel Reit wrote:he is from bombers bar he made drama etc what did you expect? stupid people have always stupid ideas
No, stupid people rely on ad hominem instead of providing arguments to object ideas that they don't like.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
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Posted - 2017.04.02 21:49:38 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Il'Rik Rik'Kha wrote:Quote:Ships for cash is cool. Content packs are bad with respect to the ISK you could have by buying PLEX instead.
A proper way of doing this could have been isolating niche fun ways of playing and selling packs like that, giving newbros incentive to go do some research. A newbro doesn't know that he doesn't know Stratios wh diving is a fun way to play Eve. Offer him a "Stratios WH Diver" content pack and now he knows what he didn't know, does some further research on youtube and he is good to go. What does the pack include? A properly fit Stratios for the exact purpose, all the skills (books and SP) automatically leveled for a core Stratios WH Diver (drones 5, amarr gallente cruiser 4 or 5 etc) and a few skins to have fun with. Have the price meaningfully lower than the total ISK value of the items, and you're good to go.
" Fleet Stealth Bomber " " Solo Sin Hotdropper " " Tornado Gatecamper " " Sabre Nullsec Fleet " " Crow Small Fleet Tackler " " Navy Slicer FW Fighter " " VNI Nullsec Ratter " " Rattlesnake C3 Completer "
Not only you have meaningful content packs that are financially making sense to purchase, but also you make newbros aware of what they don't know and push them to research more. This! You already have that. Its called buy PLEX from CCP and sell it to other players for isk. Then you buy all the stuff from the market. If you don't know what to buy, there are lots of information sources out there. If you want to bypass the market and buy ships directly from CCP you break the game. Mining, Industry would become worthless. Missioning and exploration also if you can buy a Rattlesnake (or other Faction items) direct from CCP. Not empty quoting. With this approach you can do anything you want. That is you are not constrained by some package you bought from CCP. Further, it also works with the in-game economy not against it. By selling PLEX you give some player(s) what he (they) want. You get what you want. Further, you do not disrupt the markets by creating stuff out of thin air. This allows for more people in the game than there otherwise would be and all are better off. Seriously, CCP gives you the "ultimate content pack" and you can't even see it.
I can see it. The question is whether newbros can see it. Be all the pretentious elitist you wanna be. People like content packs in other games. They are often premade ways of play the game. If you take this idea and implement to Eve this is what you are supposed to get.
In my last post I offered for it to function as a "buy all" button. Can we ******* stop about influencing market or injecting ISK?
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.02 21:52:07 -
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So CCP
We are eager to P2W.
Just throw on some awesome stuff for us.
Live or die, YOUR choice.
~Eve
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Posted - 2017.04.02 22:00:47 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
And how much are you willing to pay extra for that convenience of having everything done for you? 10% 20% and how are you going yo account for different people having different skills already trained? Will it have to do a custom pull for every single person who buys the pack in order to buy them the right number of injectors? Will the prices change based on the current cost of those injectors? Or are they just going to magic the skill points onto your character sheet?
And how much would you be willing to pay for said pack? 20 dollars only gets you 1 plex, that's 2 injectors which is barely even enough for for the light drone skills. Let alone all the other skills you would need to fly the ship even half competently.
And that's not even getting into fittings.
Even better, why don't you just put together a newbie package. Include the ship, all relevant skill books. And enough injectors to get a brand new player to the relevant lvls for that ship. Include a skill distribution chart and put it on the market as an item exchange for the amount of plex it is worth. See how well it sells. If there is a demand and a need for it then people will buy it.
That is the very idea. Convenience is what makes it an attractive package. I don't mind CCP leveraging convenience to sell stuff to newbros. That is one thing that will not affect the game economy.
I don't imagine a Blops package being anywhere below 100 dollars. Other games have expensive packages. But not a fixed rate. Maybe some solid %25 off the PLEX/USD conversion. Think of them as wholesales of packages ships, skins and SP.
I imagine skills that are gonna level up are pre-fixed and you don't get leftover SP if you have already some SP toward those skills. If you are halfway toward a solo Sin you probably know what solo Sin is and are not a newbro that CCP needs to show some direction.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Il'Rik Rik'Kha
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.03 07:32:25 -
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Quote:People like content packs in other games. They are often premade ways of playing the game.
This...
Quote:You got a plus one for the ideas listed as content packs solely because I believe that giving people a further view into Eve is a good thing rather than relying purely on them hit or missing with making friends in a corp or alliance to help them and therefore player retention in the long run.
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