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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2017.04.10 10:28:07 -
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What do you guys think?
Would the C&P players do a better job then CONCORD / Police? And if so, why don't we take over from them? Maybe CCP can add a new radar window, which shows how many -5 > -10 players are in which highsec system, so we know where to kill them.
Mmm... just realized, we might be those bad guys and have to kill ourselves.
Work in Progress.....
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1968
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Posted - 2017.04.10 10:31:59 -
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I suggested this when code first formed.... No body wanted to give it a try, Concord is lame they don't even offer a fight it's all ecm burst your face off and nuke you instantly.... And eve is about content not right and wrong.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
1651
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Posted - 2017.04.10 11:05:30 -
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Well it is already happening to a certain degree. Concorde is a necessity tough to keep suicide ganking a suicide. A police like playstyle is something that could be an adding Feature if implemented with reason.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1162
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Posted - 2017.04.10 14:01:25 -
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Most already have gankers set to red (even me!!) And there's always that little message saying there's a criminal spotted in the system
The closest entity we players have that looks like Concord is the Anti-Ganking movement... And let me tell you, the only good they do is give us gankers tears and ****** "just one more nerf" forum posts hahaha
I'd rather let competent NPCs keep their jobs (although we'd have way more time to gank if AG were Concord hahahah)
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1969
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:41:59 -
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Think the only way to end suicide ganking is to get rid of Concord, this will generate more content and keep that old Moto that space ain't safe
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Sthenelos Tau
Nordafrikanische Intensivstraftaeter R I O T
26
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:42:12 -
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The "bountyhunter`s" are dead.
Best bountyhunters are still Trasher-gate gankers killing pods, for almost nobody else there is a real reward, abit of loot sometimes and a tiny bounty paid out (if pilot had a bounty) and some stats at killboards.
I saw and still see here huge potencial, give the hunters, mercs, antigankers the real and honest reward, isk, other ways of bounty pay out`s, tags to change for isk, i dont know, something that make real worth to hunt pilots with bad sec status or killrights and to kill them, even when they are concord killmails also. This will / lets create content, for everybody.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1969
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:49:57 -
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I would also like to bring up that Concord is for police brutality by targeting and nuking all ships involved in a crime they are killing every ship's crew but not the pods.... Pods get less attention then a holeysheet monologue, Concord kills Content.... Makes eve boring.
Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2455
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Posted - 2017.04.10 15:56:04 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:
Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
And with "EVE" you mean that one part that is HighSec? |
Ro Fenrios
Armilies corporation Circle-Of-Two
225
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Posted - 2017.04.10 16:12:18 -
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I think all of empire space minus maybe rookie and career systems should Be low sec. Now that would Be fun. Imagine JITA for one :0 |
Jacques d'Orleans
3081
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Posted - 2017.04.10 17:43:54 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote:I think all of empire space minus maybe rookie and career systems should Be low sec. Now that would Be fun. Imagine JITA for one :0
There is no storage facility big enough, on this planet, to store all the salt and tears.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3137
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:11:21 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I think all of empire space minus maybe rookie and career systems should Be low sec. Now that would Be fun. Imagine JITA for one :0 There is no storage facility big enough, on this planet, to store all the salt and tears. I've long been a proponent of making 0.5 - 0.7 systems accessible to capital ships* via gate travel** to pilots with high enough empire faction standings***.
Can you imagine the volume of tears shed by the first anti-tanked, carebear capital pilot to get suicide ganked in hisec? It would be glorious.
*Non-supers, so Carriers, Dreads, or Fauxs only. **No cynos in hisec but can jump out to losec, no hisec production. *** 1.0 standings for 0.5 systems, 3.0 standings for 0.6 systems, and 5.0 standings for 0.7 systems. No capitals in 0.8 and up.
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Areen Sassel
189
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Posted - 2017.04.10 18:31:30 -
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Sthenelos Tau wrote:I saw and still see here huge potencial, give the hunters, mercs, antigankers the real and honest reward, isk,
The trouble with any such scheme, like the old bounty system, is the potential to game it by shooting your own criminal alt. |
Jacques d'Orleans
3082
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Posted - 2017.04.10 20:48:24 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Ro Fenrios wrote:I think all of empire space minus maybe rookie and career systems should Be low sec. Now that would Be fun. Imagine JITA for one :0 There is no storage facility big enough, on this planet, to store all the salt and tears. I've long been a proponent of making 0.5 - 0.7 systems accessible to capital ships* via gate travel** to pilots with high enough empire faction standings***. Can you imagine the volume of tears shed by the first anti-tanked, carebear capital pilot to get suicide ganked in hisec? It would be glorious. *Non-supers, so Carriers, Dreads, or Fauxs only. **No cynos in hisec but can jump out to losec, no hisec production. *** 1.0 standings for 0.5 systems, 3.0 standings for 0.6 systems, and 5.0 standings for 0.7 systems. No capitals in 0.8 and up.
OMG, that would be a flood of tears without any historical equivalent in the whole history of mankind.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1969
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Posted - 2017.04.10 21:51:03 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:
Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
And with "EVE" you mean that one part that is HighSec? Eve is supposed to be a challenge and thrilling not safe and boring, just because you are in highsec doesn't mean you should be safe 100% of the time...
Should be more like 75% safe Less Concord action will create new content for those who want to be deputies.
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the bodizafa
Harbingers Nest R I O T
1
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Posted - 2017.04.10 22:44:11 -
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Concord is as tough as they are to prevent well organized groups from taking over whole systems and nuking anything coming in the gate. Cant have that isk flow shut down now can we. |
Vipsan Agrippa
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2017.04.10 23:42:29 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:I suggested this when code first formed.... No body wanted to give it a try, Concord is lame they don't even offer a fight it's all ecm burst your face off and nuke you instantly.... And eve is about content not right and wrong.
There is right and wrong in every aspect of your life Atari, you will be judged.
As the ancient Hermetic scholars would say - As above so below.
You think Eve is just a game, it's an insight into your soul. Best you navigate through the systems with a moral compass in future... |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4023
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Posted - 2017.04.11 04:03:33 -
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Vipsan Agrippa wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:I suggested this when code first formed.... No body wanted to give it a try, Concord is lame they don't even offer a fight it's all ecm burst your face off and nuke you instantly.... And eve is about content not right and wrong. There is right and wrong in every aspect of your life Atari, you will be judged. As the ancient Hermetic scholars would say - As above so below. You think Eve is just a game, it's an insight into your soul. Best you navigate through the systems with a moral compass in future... Deep down inside I am a murderious zealot who sacrifices bodies to the deity of my choosing (usually a benevolent god named Bob but on occasions I have killed in the name of others).
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4023
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Posted - 2017.04.11 04:05:45 -
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@Tora Concord is an esential in this game. We would never police effectively enough to keep eve's ecconomy running. That said Fac Po are kinda ****** and could be replaced by players in areas but I think there needs to be more too it than simply switching them off and thats the end of the mechanic. If you wanted players to police a system they would need to feel like it was theirs somehow and be ready to defend it
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1970
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Posted - 2017.04.11 10:32:39 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:@Tora Concord is an esential in this game. We would never police effectively enough to keep eve's ecconomy running. That said Fac Po are kinda ****** and could be replaced by players in areas but I think there needs to be more too it than simply switching them off and thats the end of the mechanic. If you wanted players to police a system they would need to feel like it was theirs somehow and be ready to defend it Make them deputies of Concord and don't make Concord an instant punishment, there should be a fight atleast, all criminals should become flashy as they due now but instant death defeats the content, Concord should drop a warp bubble and everyone could Duke it out till the deputies or the criminals are dead...
Much like in Real Life.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1166
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Posted - 2017.04.11 12:01:03 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:@Tora Concord is an esential in this game. We would never police effectively enough to keep eve's ecconomy running. That said Fac Po are kinda ****** and could be replaced by players in areas but I think there needs to be more too it than simply switching them off and thats the end of the mechanic. If you wanted players to police a system they would need to feel like it was theirs somehow and be ready to defend it Make them deputies of Concord and don't make Concord an instant punishment, there should be a fight atleast, all criminals should become flashy as they due now but instant death defeats the content, Concord should drop a warp bubble and everyone could Duke it out till the deputies or the criminals are dead... Much like in Real Life. This would be the death of the Anti-Ganking movement hahahah They can't shoot anything that's not already tackled, neuted, ecm'ed or anything else by Concord (hence why we call the Concord whorers)
I like the idea tho
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3142
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Posted - 2017.04.11 12:49:47 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:@Tora Concord is an esential in this game. We would never police effectively enough to keep eve's ecconomy running. That said Fac Po are kinda ****** and could be replaced by players in areas but I think there needs to be more too it than simply switching them off and thats the end of the mechanic. If you wanted players to police a system they would need to feel like it was theirs somehow and be ready to defend it
Currently, if you align yourself to an empire via faction warfare, the only enemies of your chosen empire that you can shoot at are opposing faction warfare players.
But imagine if faction warfare players could legally shoot at any player with -5 standings or lower towards their chosen empire? There would likely need to be some overview buffing so that you can tell who has low standings and who doesn't, but I think this could open up a lot of interesting gameplay options and maybe increase interest in faction warfare somewhat.
This wouldn't be a replacement for the FacPo, and especially not for CONCORD.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4026
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Posted - 2017.04.11 13:03:00 -
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I can't stress this enough. Any changes to content need an anchor in PVE. Changes to allow more ships to shoot each other may sound great to us but the goal is to make content more desireable and approachable for more people.
A change to remove concord from Highsec would literally kill it off completely. How many of us commenting here would not abuse a system that allowed us to attack other players without concord interfering. I can tell you none of the C&P regualars in here would be posting we would all be busy cleaning out the unwary on day 1 that didn't read their patch notes until all highsec couldnt undock and we only had each other to shoot at.
Almost every other MMO out there has 100% safe starting areas and even mostly safe dip your toes areas. The only successful MMO I can think of where it's possible to still kill somebody anywhere with a full drop model is eve. Without the extreamly light restrictions eve has on PvP in highsec we would kill it. Now I'm not saying it needs to get safer but it sure as hell doesn't need to be destroyed in a week or less
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4027
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Posted - 2017.04.11 13:59:19 -
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A little story from another game I was testing out a few weeks back called Albion. We were running an open world dungeon and won a DPS contest against another group but the loot bugged out so after 2 mins it was free for all. Without a single dissenting voice I had the rest of my party flag up (for 10 mins min) and dunk the other party throwing away our reputations and ability to actually enter safe zones for about an hour of farming but more importantly about 10 hours of PVE grinding to get 'glorious rep' back. This is basically in eve going from +5 to -6 in one go.
Anywho this group of PVE only nerds with 0 kills to their names and 0 desire to go looking for trouble flagged up and attacked this other group over an unknown loot drop that was rightfully theirs in their mind. In any other situation I would never have been able to get them to PvP however over a PVE objective being ****** with they turned into stone cold killers to the last man. Ok not quite they spent the next 10 mins fearful the entire server was after them and the next hour straight grinding their rep back so they could enter a town again :D. The point is you give somebody a reason to fight other than 'dank kills' and most of the time one charasmatic personality can change them from 'carebears' into 'gankers'
PS 2 of them commented it was the most fun they had had in game so far and came with me ot the 'black zone' (Null-Sec) later that week.
PSS Give me solid PVE objectives to fight over and I'll give you highsec(or any sec) Carebears willing to show some teeth
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
3613
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Posted - 2017.04.11 14:23:21 -
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I like the Concord Deputies idea. Better balanced.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2478
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Posted - 2017.04.11 15:21:56 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote: Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
And with "EVE" you mean that one part that is HighSec? Eve is supposed to be a challenge and thrilling not safe and boring, just because you are in highsec doesn't mean you should be safe 100% of the time... Should be more like 75% safe Less Concord action will create new content for those who want to be deputies.
Sorry, my point was just that "HighSec" is not equal "EVE" but only one and not even the most important part of EVE. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4029
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Posted - 2017.04.11 15:42:26 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote: Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
And with "EVE" you mean that one part that is HighSec? Eve is supposed to be a challenge and thrilling not safe and boring, just because you are in highsec doesn't mean you should be safe 100% of the time... Should be more like 75% safe Less Concord action will create new content for those who want to be deputies. Sorry, my point was just that "HighSec" is not equal "EVE" but only one and not even the most important part of EVE. I don't care much for concord. What would you consider the most important part of eve?
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow
1974
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Posted - 2017.04.12 01:57:06 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Saeger1737 wrote: Let's make eve great again and remove Concord.
And with "EVE" you mean that one part that is HighSec? Eve is supposed to be a challenge and thrilling not safe and boring, just because you are in highsec doesn't mean you should be safe 100% of the time... Should be more like 75% safe Less Concord action will create new content for those who want to be deputies. Sorry, my point was just that "HighSec" is not equal "EVE" but only one and not even the most important part of EVE. I don't care much for concord. What would you consider the most important part of eve? Nullsec
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Vipsan Agrippa
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2017.04.12 02:59:31 -
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Jita.
Who cares what happens on the peripheries of Eve.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1168
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Posted - 2017.04.12 03:02:56 -
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Vipsan Agrippa wrote:Jita.
Who cares what happens on the peripheries of Eve.
He who controls trade controls Eve. can you, for the love of Bob, write something relevant with the op Nitshe?
@Noragen, imo the most important space is the space where all the isk moves (aka highsec)
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
4029
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Posted - 2017.04.12 03:07:25 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Vipsan Agrippa wrote:Jita.
Who cares what happens on the peripheries of Eve.
He who controls trade controls Eve. can you, for the love of Bob, write something relevant with the op Nitshe? @Noragen, imo the most important space is the space where all the isk moves (aka highsec) I believe no space is anymore or less important than another. The game couldn't survive without Highsec. The game would have no draw without the endgame content of low null and WH. Each of those 3 offer very different playstyles. You can't really say any type of space is more or less important.
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