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manus
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Posted - 2017.04.11 23:45:56 -
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What is local supposed to be? It seems like its some sort of combination between a tool to gather intel and a simple chat. What if local was changed into a chat for the whole region? It will make the chat come much more alive. Possible downside is problems with spam, particularly in The Forge, where they spam contracts etc. constantly. Thats not to say there are not solutions for that. Either players are going to make a Jita Trade chat. Or the most persistent spammers will be ignored by others.
The reason i like this idea is particularly because the chat would come more alive. This would be a big benefit to the game, especially for new players who will be attracted to an active chat. They will appreciate the energy associated with it, and it will make them more attracted to the game. It also solves the problem of chatting while jumping. The downside is that people who use Local as an intel gathering tool will lose this mechanic, unless local is kept as a separate chat. But that kind of defeats the purpose and having two default chats on top of corp violates the KISS principle which im a big fan of.
So what will happen if local is completely disabled well in some aspects the game will become more risky. But in other aspects it will become more safe. Do i really need to go into this?
Anyway it seems that there is a problem in EVE online in that the chats are very dead. And dead chats are not good for any kind of service that exists today. Be it game, or livestream or what have you. An active chat adds more to the experience that you will think. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 01:47:59 -
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elitatwo wrote:No ----> w-space
Shut up!
You shut up. And read the post before you reply. This idea is about consolidating the default chat channels to give them more life, and you start blabbering about wspace. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 01:55:40 -
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mkint wrote:I'd make the proposal simpler. Stay away from the mess of "remove/keep local free intel grrr." Keep local. Whatever. Make the region channel (which exists already) open by default. That's all. It's already recent speakers only, it's not an intel tool. They'd have to fix it so it doesn't keep closing itself on every session change. Maybe make it easier to join back into it if you do close it, but mostly just change the default settings (maybe make the default blink setting on it set to 'off' as well) to make it more available.
I like region chat. It's like sitting in a dark room and talking to someone who's not there. It gets eerie.
This isnt simpler as you would have an additional chat open all of a sudden. And what happens if you speak in local? does that chat go to region? And what happens if you speak in region? does that chat go to local? etc |
manus
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Posted - 2017.04.12 11:31:25 -
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Max Deveron wrote: 1.) it would not be an additional chat, because it already exists for use.
hahaha. you cant be serious. So now you will have Local, Region, and Corp chat open. Thats one additional chat. You cant count it seems.
Max Deveron wrote:2.) If you speak in local (system) chat no it does not transfer to Constellation or Region chats.
The idea is to replace Local with Region. And someone says why not keep both herp. In that scenario, what happens? The idea falls the ground if you just add anoter chat window. The idea is to consolidate the chat and liven it up. You dont accomplish this by half-assedly adding region chat next to local chat. Keep it simple. One chat to rule them all.
Max Deveron wrote: STFU and quit shiptoasting the forums.
How about you take your own advice? You are contributing nothing interesting and you dont even understand the idea. So why are you here? |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 11:42:24 -
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mkint wrote: The channel already exists. Try opening it. .
I did, its emptier than wormspace local. And for the record, since there are no defined regions in wormspace, keep the chat as is. There will only be local chat when you are in wormspace.
mkint wrote:Because you've got some comprehension fail, let me be clear:
I think you have comprehension fail. Because
Quote:Your idea is not novel. It's not new, it's not unique. Whether or not it's a good idea or a bad idea is somewhat controversial. You will make absolutely zero progress on it. That is a guarantee.
I may or may not get anywhere with it, but thats besides the point. We can still discuss it.
Quote: To turn your bad idea into a good (viz workable) idea, basically your only option is to get people to join the existing regional chat.
No, this is how the idea fails. It will only succeed if local is replaced with regional chat.
Quote:Spend some time in Region so you can actually have some understanding of why nobody uses it.
It doesent take a genious to figure out why. Its because
1) The channel is hidden 2) Its optional
I hope you are able to comprehend how much more activity it would get if local was replacted with region as the default chat.
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manus
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Posted - 2017.04.12 13:42:15 -
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Hello Meow Kitty wrote:Maybe local should be constellation or something slightly bigger than current system. Also they need to change how players show up in local currently. Alphabetically is so OP lol
I like your point regarding alphabetical order on local. It does seem unbalanced.
But i dont think consolidating the local chats into constellations are enough. I think it makes more sense to have regional chats instead. I think people are more attached to their regions anyway, the names are easier to remember since there are fewer. It alo ties in well with how the market browser works, which is also limited to region. |
manus
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Posted - 2017.04.12 16:14:22 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Lets see, just off the topic of my head this doesn't work:
In Wormhole Space
Afaik there are no defined regions in wormspace so nothing would change. There would just be a lone desolate chat channel for each hole.
Quote:In any remotely populated area of the game, especially High Sec.
I dont see why it wouldnt. Besides if there was a need for a more quiet space/chatroom, players would create it.
Quote:Anywhere that might have multiple fights/significant interactions going on in different systems, the cross-talk would quickly get ridiculous
Is there any demand for this? As long as you know the person you intend to chat to is in the room, i think thats the most important thing. Each individual system doesent have to have its own chat. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 16:59:28 -
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What do you mean why? It would be better to ask why each system needs its own chat channel |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 17:09:03 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Why ask? A system is a system, the lowest degree of separation in the cluster without creating ridiculous fragmentation. Furthermore, each system has people in them who are only in this system and not some other place, which means they can expect a locally limited communications room. It's not that hard to grasp.
So your argument is "Just because"
Truth of the matter is these players will still be able to chat with each other if local was changed to region. And if they really needed a private chat room they would just create one. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 17:54:33 -
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Meh, thats an arrogant way to look at things. If there is an oppertunity to create a better in-game chat i think it should be seized. |
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manus
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Posted - 2017.04.12 18:58:23 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:The only idea from you ive liked.
Nuke local, make it regional. No one shows up till they chat. \o/ Speaking of contracts, its like it was meant to be. What's the range of a public contract?
Don't want pilot's names in d-scan though. What i might swap in instead is d-scan getting a similar visual to the system map with ships appearing on the map with a deviation. The deviation gets smaller the shorter the range and more narrow the scan.
Thank you. Means alot. I dont like the player list in directional scan either. I like your way better. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 19:04:47 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:oh look, another stealth "nerf local" thread. the only thing interesting about this is how completely uninspired and dull the "solution" is.
Wut? Replacing local with region seems like a fantastic idea. Particularly because the chat comes much more alive. Anyone in the same region will be able to casually chat with each other. |
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Posted - 2017.04.12 23:28:09 -
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elitatwo wrote:manus wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:oh look, another stealth "nerf local" thread. the only thing interesting about this is how completely uninspired and dull the "solution" is. Wut? Replacing local with region seems like a fantastic idea. Particularly because the chat comes much more alive. Anyone in the same region will be able to casually chat with each other. You didn't get the memo. Nobody but you thinks this is a good idea.
Thats a lie. Open your eyes. |
manus
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Posted - 2017.04.12 23:33:47 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
except that people rarely if EVER actually chat in local, and when it does happen its generally because of an interaction that happens in space... locally.
This is because of the way the chat is designed. How can it work any different when you change channel every time you jump? Of course local will not be used to chat then, whats the point.
If we got regional chat instead, you will see the chat come alive because it becomes much more persistent.
Bjorn Tyrson wrote: if people are going to leave system and want to keep chatting they will just start up a private convo.
Yes let me start up a convo with a stranger, thats not creepy or annoying at all. We need an actual public chat.
Bjorn Tyrson wrote: hell most people (myself included) don't even have their local chat visible. all I can see is the list of names for intel purposes and the rest is hidden.
Have you thought about why that is? Because nobody uses local to chat, because its useless for it in most cases. |
manus
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Posted - 2017.04.14 01:49:51 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:"If we got regional chat instead, you will see the chat come alive because it becomes much more persistent."
This is an basically completely unsupported claim..
Only an ignorant person would believe this wouldnt be the case.
Cade Windstalker wrote: "Yes let me start up a convo with a stranger, thats not creepy or annoying at all. We need an actual public chat."
These already exist, there are plenty of them listed in your channels list in-game. The difference here is that participation in these is entirely voluntary
It is also voluntary if you want to participate in local chat. And it will also be voluntary if you want to participate if local chat was replaced with regional chat. But if you are so scared of socialising, there could be a setting to mute the chat.
Cade Windstalker wrote: "Have you thought about why that is? Because nobody uses local to chat, because its useless for it in most cases. have you seen Jita or Amarr local? Or even Rens?"
Yes i have, and its not that bad. If you are concerned its a problem, there can be a restriction to link contracts. A timer. Maybe people would form actual trade chats then.
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Posted - 2017.04.14 09:36:19 -
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Heres a quick example of how players can interact with each other. For example by linking the system they are in, and saying what they are doing. It could also be someone asking for help, you get the idea.
Region chat |
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Posted - 2017.04.14 10:21:11 -
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Max Deveron wrote:manus wrote:Heres a quick example of how players can interact with each other. For example by linking the system they are in, and saying what they are doing. It could also be someone asking for help, you get the idea. Region chat Uhm yep, now add all the spam from the trade hubs, the clear spam spam guys garbage, and any crosstalk.......and your msg is quickly lost in mere seconds in any region with a trade hub.
Getting tired of these knee jerk responses. Please stop doing it. I already explained that you could make a separate chat for trade, like every other MMO. The reason people spam local in jita is because there is no better alternative.
"Not to mention, the region chat will most likely never get used in nullsec, they all have private intel channels and Voice comms. Oh, highsec...same thing private channels, corp channels, and voice comms."
The idea is not to make a chat that suits every purpose, its to make a default chat that is more persistent and thus encourage more player interaction. Alot of people will use something like that for whatever reason. Even in null-sec.
"This will never work as you intend it, people will get sick of trying to use it as the only option"
You are being dense. Whats the matter with you? I never said this chat was supposed to be the only one in the game. What is the matter with you? Let me explain it to you one last time, the idea is about making the default chat more persistent and encouraging of player interaction. If there is a problem with trolls it can be dealt with. But i dont see why there would be. This isnt twitch.tv
"I personally do not want to listen/read that crap every day, have my game invaded by stupid garbage that does not interest me and with no way to turn it off, well it just gets closed...."
This makes no sense. Why even read chat if you dont like it? Just dont read it. There is no reason to prevent chat just because you dont like chat. Especially when you have the option of simply not reading it. What is the matter with you?
"YOU CAN NOT GET RID OF LOCAL, for a number of reasons SO QUIT TRYING!!"
Capslock doesent help your case. Cut it out. |
manus
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Posted - 2017.04.14 15:15:09 -
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Quote: Only an ignorant person would make broad claims about player behavior with no supporting evidence
Rofl. If you cant see how this leads to a more active chat i cant help you. Besides, if you are so smart, when is the last time you had an idea? And what was it? |
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