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hog butter
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
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Posted - 2017.04.12 20:51:04 -
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I have been playing EVE on and off since 2007. I have always gravitated to space trucking I spend roughly 80% of my time in high sec 20% low sec. With that said I have a bunch of experience blockade running I have ran hundreds of times. So in late 2015 I discovered CCP has auto billed me on my account for 5 months without me catching it. I thought I cancelled the account but I guess not. I emailed CCP to try to get some kind of credit. They told me to go take a hike. So I did until last month. I discovered alpha clones so I resumed my space trucking figuring Ill get my skill points that I paid for this way.
Skill points yes but hauling NOPE!
So I know from reading these forums overall no one really likes space trucking you might say were not the most glorious of the space trades. With that said let me bring everyone up to date on what an alpha clone gets as far as hauling is concerned.
Your assets are:
Navigation Rigging Navigation skills 3-4 Tech 1 shield tank fittings Industrial Ship Command Skill 1 (your race) Rogue Navigation Implants Warp Core Stabilizer Tech 1 Tech 1 Hauler limited to your race.
There are three ways to blockade run.
1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)
2. "Cloak out" of the star gate area then warp. This is the preferred method.(no cloaking tech 1 or 2 for Alpha Clones)
3. Run! I have never seen this proposed in forums but I have done it at least a hundred times successfully (not by choice). (Alpha clones can nearly do this If you have multiple Tech 2 Inertia Stabilizers, Multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure, Navigation Rigging, Rouge Navigation Implants which alpha clones can get).
So if your still reading congrats the trust of my argument is as follows.
CCP says alpha clones are designed to get a taste of all aspects of the games. Why give only your races Industrial ship command level 1 when every other aspect seems to get the primary skill to level 3 (Ship command in industrial gives agility which helps all 3 blockade running tactics). I will also point out Space Trucking can make more ISK then average is that why? As far as I can tell the CCP is telling alpha clones good luck on hauling the only way your running blockades is with your pod if your lucky. Why not increase ship command industrial to 3, Industrial only alpha cloak fitting, or a Industrial only tech 2 Shield hardeners and Warp Core Stabilizer fittings. Without one of these my gaming amounts to getting killed every time I see a blockade which has left a bad taste in my mouth.
PS. If I were CCP increase Industrial Ship Commands in all races to 3 or at least one race. Running from a blockade by beating their target acquisition with your agility and speed is priceless. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
511
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Posted - 2017.04.12 20:58:07 -
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OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow?
1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them.
2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal.
3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have.
although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
612
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:01:25 -
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alpha = extended trial.
get over it. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1428
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:16:56 -
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I love couriers =ƒÿè welcome back
@lunettelulu7
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1549
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:29:50 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow? 1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them. 2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal. 3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have. although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 I support this statement!
Remove standings and insurance.
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Metzger Dresdner
Malevolent Crackheads
8
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Posted - 2017.04.12 21:32:01 -
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If you want to make that big of an impact on the sandbox you need to be an omega.
Zero reasons you should get anything you have listed as an alpha. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
575
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:34:21 -
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Could always space truck in highsec as an alpha, though I think hauling in general could do with improvements. The general answer to anyone who has problems with hauling is 'pay someone else' but after hauling becomes enough of a chore who else will do it.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47508
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:39:36 -
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Before alphas you wouldn't be playing at all.
They hate you so much, you can now play for free.
Such terrible. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1100
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:43:22 -
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I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game. |
Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4998
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:54:05 -
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Space Truckers are cool. I can kind of see the attraction to doing space hauling. Plan your routes, pick up your loads, watch out for bandits, deliver the goods safely, draw your pay. Queue up a playlist if you want and travel the systems. Could be kind of meditational Zen-like. |
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hog butter
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:57:04 -
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So i have paid for the game over a dozen months and never played it due to cancellations mysteriously not going through. So to those who say I'm not getting my moneys worth didn't read the post. I speculate and trade in the market I need things to move fast and on my schedule. So I would say the hauling comments didn't read my original post either I said in the original post hauling is what I enjoy. Why would I contract something I want to do? To the couple people that read it they seem to agree I guess no one really cares about the aspect of the game I seem to enjoy. I just hope among the people that don't care are the Dev's at CCP. |
Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4998
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Posted - 2017.04.12 22:57:39 -
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hog butter wrote:
So I know from reading these forums overall no one really likes space trucking you might say were not the most glorious of the space trades.
I can see the attraction to doing space trucking. Plan your routes, try to avoid deadheading with an empty cargo bay. Pick up your loads, watch out for bandits, deliver the goods safely, draw your pay, move on. Queue up a playlist if you want and travel around the systems. Could be kind of fun.
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hog butter
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
0
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Posted - 2017.04.12 23:02:13 -
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Its the standard long stretches of boredom punctuated by moments of shear terror. I LOVE IT! |
Jacques d'Orleans
3096
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Posted - 2017.04.13 02:06:05 -
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hog butter wrote:Its the standard long stretches of boredom punctuated by moments of shear terror. I LOVE IT!
Relevant
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1444
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Posted - 2017.04.13 03:02:54 -
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CCP just needs to break up the special hangar bays into another skill category rather than on racial skill only to make it work.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6726471#post6726471
Quote:My idea was to make the bonuses split to a generic industrial and the faction skill with faction being the specialized hold bonus and the generic bonus being the speed/agility bonus.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2760
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Posted - 2017.04.13 06:10:54 -
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hog butter wrote:I have been playing EVE on and off since 2007. I have always gravitated to space trucking I spend roughly 80% of my time in high sec 20% low sec. With that said I have a bunch of experience blockade running I have ran hundreds of times. So in late 2015 I discovered CCP has auto billed me on my account for 5 months without me catching it. I thought I cancelled the account but I guess not. I emailed CCP to try to get some kind of credit. They told me to go take a hike. So I did until last month. I discovered alpha clones so I resumed my space trucking figuring Ill get my skill points that I paid for this way.
Skill points yes but hauling NOPE!
So I know from reading these forums overall no one really likes space trucking you might say were not the most glorious of the space trades. With that said let me bring everyone up to date on what an alpha clone gets as far as hauling is concerned.
Your assets are:
Navigation Rigging Navigation skills 3-4 Tech 1 shield tank fittings Industrial Ship Command Skill 1 (your race) Rogue Navigation Implants Warp Core Stabilizer Tech 1 Tech 1 Hauler limited to your race.
There are three ways to blockade run.
1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)
2. "Cloak out" of the star gate area then warp. This is the preferred method.(no cloaking tech 1 or 2 for Alpha Clones)
3. Run! I have never seen this proposed in forums but I have done it at least a hundred times successfully (not by choice). (Alpha clones can nearly do this If you have multiple Tech 2 Inertia Stabilizers, Multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure, Navigation Rigging, Rouge Navigation Implants which alpha clones can get).
So if your still reading congrats the thrust of my argument is as follows.
CCP says alpha clones are designed to get a taste of all aspects of the games. Why give only your races Industrial ship command level 1 when every other aspect seems to get the primary skill to level 3 (Ship command in industrial gives agility which helps all 3 blockade running tactics). I will also point out Space Trucking can make more ISK then average is that why? As far as I can tell the CCP is telling alpha clones good luck on hauling the only way your running blockades is with your pod if your lucky. Why not increase ship command industrial to 3, Industrial only alpha cloak fitting, or a Industrial only tech 2 Shield hardeners and Warp Core Stabilizer fittings. Without one of these my gaming amounts to getting killed every time I see a blockade which has left a bad taste in my mouth.
PS. If I were CCP increase Industrial Ship Commands in all races to 3 or at least one race. Running from a blockade by beating their target acquisition with your agility and speed is priceless. If you subbed for 5 months without training CCP should reimburse you the SP. T
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
267
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Posted - 2017.04.13 07:51:18 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow? 1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them. 2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal. 3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have. although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one. |
Yorrick Kayne
Kosmische Kollegen
2
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Posted - 2017.04.13 08:07:53 -
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hog butter wrote: There are three ways to blockade run. 1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)
When Alpha Clones were announced some Faction War players voiced concern about Alpha Plex farmers in cheap stabbed ships. No stabs for Alphas is a Faction War thing.
hog butter wrote: 2. "Cloak out" of the star gate area then warp. This is the preferred method.(no cloaking tech 1 or 2 for Alpha Clones)
Any cloak for Alphas and the cloaky campers will block out the sun.
hog butter wrote: 3. Run! I have never seen this proposed in forums but I have done it at least a hundred times successfully (not by choice). (Alpha clones can nearly do this If you have multiple Tech 2 Inertia Stabilizers, Multiple Nanofiber Internal Structure, Navigation Rigging, Rouge Navigation Implants which alpha clones can get).
That would be the way to go IMHO, Alphas could get a bit more agility to make hauling more viable.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1834
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Posted - 2017.04.13 09:30:05 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one.
Free AFK cloaking alts everywhere would be bad.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2017.04.13 13:18:00 -
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I quite enjoyed hauling trough lowsec pipes as an alpha. Had no fancy cloaks, but was prepared to use MWD-cycling and that AoE lock-disruptor thingie. Had to use those exactly once, and that was my mistake too.
But planning my trip manually, and paying few mils (or just my experience) to an alpha-scout even more clueless than I when I crammed 90% of my worth into a tiny fragile Mammoth always did the trick.
Or course, just with most aspects of the game, an alpha account can't be as good as an Omega. Surely you will miss your decadent tools and premium efficiency, if all that's you have known. Buy those merits with ISK - you sound like a well established trader, so it couldn't be a problem. New alphas still can have a good taste of halung, and make not half bad profits if they do their homework..
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics Federation Uprising
768
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Posted - 2017.04.13 13:31:27 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game.
#nopoorspls
Just Add Water
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3300
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Posted - 2017.04.13 14:21:18 -
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hog butter wrote: 1. Tank it with warp core stabilizers. (Which you cannot do in a alpha clone on account you have tech 1 shield fittings and tech 1 warp core stabilizers)
I'm kind of curious as to why you think T2 stabs would help you haul in HS. Could you enlight me on why you think having slightly lower penalty to your scan res and lock range would help you in hauling stuff? Remember that T2 stabs also cost more to fit. |
Keno Skir
1514
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Posted - 2017.04.13 14:25:56 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:planning my trip manually, and paying few mils (or just my experience) to an alpha-scout
Yebo just won EvE again, by actually using a scout instead of complaining the game should be changed so he can haul solo.
OP : Nope, you get a truck and the ability to hire scouts. You don't need cloaks, t2 warp stabs (t1 is just as good so dunno what's the issue) or more industrial skill. You just need to stop trying to haul through lowsec solo and expect to be able to do it safely, or become an Omega for the cost of a movie and a drink..
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
151
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Posted - 2017.04.13 15:17:14 -
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hog butter wrote:So i have paid for the game over a dozen months and never played it due to cancellations mysteriously not going through. So to those who say I'm not getting my moneys worth didn't read the post.
Quote:I discovered alpha clones so I resumed my space trucking
Trust me, we read your post.
Also, I'm sorry your extended trail gives you a taste of what you can do instead of giving you the entire cake for free.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
657
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Posted - 2017.04.13 15:31:14 -
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hog butter wrote:Entitled whine
You don't pay. Stop whining or go away. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
657
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Posted - 2017.04.13 15:33:03 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:OMFG yet another "waaaah give alphas more stuff" thread... wait... whats this... an actual well thought out argument, that points out a legitimate concern?? with at least 1 suggestion that actually makes a little bit of sense and doesn't completely break the concept of alphas... am i living in bizzaro world somehow? 1) warp core stab 2's... I can't actually see a reason why alphas couldn't have access to this, unless the pre-requisites are too high, in which case it would be fairly simple to lower those. and since warp stabs are meh at best, even the t2 variety, I can't see many downsides to alphas having access to them. 2) NO CLOAKS!!!! this has been covered multiple times, but I will let it slide this time, since its a fairly minor part of the proposal. 3) racial industrial 3... can't actually see much of a problem with this, would allow alphas to do a little bit more space trucking, but is hardly a game breaking change compared to the options omega's have. although you automatically loose ALL points for not posting in the right subforum. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one.
Free cloaky AFK campers.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
519
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Posted - 2017.04.13 15:44:45 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one. Free AFK cloaking alts everywhere would be bad.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
657
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Posted - 2017.04.13 17:12:18 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Can you give a good reason against t1 cloaks? Cause I've never seen one. Free AFK cloaking alts everywhere would be bad.
Yeah, replied too early and didn't read all the comments.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
14
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Posted - 2017.04.13 17:43:19 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game. He said he paid for 5 months without playing and CCP told him to bleepedy blank bleep. He's probably broke now as he can't manage his finances. That aside, back to topic :
He wants to play for free like before. He can, just save up 1200 million ISK. Then you have a month of free full playtime. If you can't get that much in EVE Online maybe either learn to play or play for free. But don't ask all advantages if you are both unwilling to pay AND unwilling to game for it.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
487
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Posted - 2017.04.13 19:54:22 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:I apologize that you feel you're not getting your $0/month worth from this game. #nopoorspls Modern translation: #nocontentpls
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