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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.04.14 20:27:20 -
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I have been playing Eve for 13 yeas... I have seen the different ships of eve rise and fall in all of the different metas of the game. But there has always been something that bothers me, why does CCP make it such a point that Amarr is the superior race too the other 3? Amarr serves a larger role in the emerging storyline, Amarr tournament, Amarr jokes during fanfest and many other things just cement Amarr into this Alpha race position. I believe that this is a big issue that could be keeping players away from the game or turning people away after trying the game out.
On the one hand you have players who only have fun winning who will research the game before playing, find info on the different ships and meta's and choose which race they think will give them the biggest advantage/ easy win button. With the introduction of Alpha Clones this will lead more and more people to choose a specific race based on "meta gaming".
On the other hand you have players who play the game more for its immersion factor and RP of joining a corporation/ fighting for ideals. These players may begin to realize that the race they chose will make their gameplay experience "harder" and sometimes seemingly completely unfair. Again with the introduction of Alpha Clones this may turn players away from the game when they realize that playing the race that they like, is not the best choice.
I completely realize that Eve by its nature is not FAIR, however I do believe that there should be more balance between races. I'm sure if you asked any veteran player and even some more skilled new players about the state of balance between races in many of the ship classes is completely broken in 75% of the cases. I also understand that you can cross train for any race/ship you want, but this is not the case for Alpha Clones and even for Omega characters I do not think that cross training should be a "requirement" which is basically where the game stands now.
Please if you agree with any part of this post and believe that there should be better balance between races post a reply. I have been wishing to see balance changes in this area for many years now. I understand that each race and ship has its own "role" that it is balanced around but I also feel like each one of these "roles" should be viable in a combat situation against ships of the same class. |
Cristl
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Posted - 2017.04.14 20:40:54 -
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I'd say that balance is pretty good right now, and that the flavour of the month rotation prevents one race dominating for too long.
There are obvious candidates for review (eg. buffs for Belicose, Corax, a medium projectile pass) but it's better than it's been in a while. I'm leaving capitals out as your post seems based around alphas.
I would move specialist haulers to ORE though, and race-independent stuff like webbing drones obviously needs a complete overhaul.
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.04.14 20:49:36 -
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Cristl wrote:I'd say that balance is pretty good right now, and that the flavour of the month rotation prevents one race dominating for too long.
There are obvious candidates for review (eg. buffs for Belicose, Corax, a medium projectile pass) but it's better than it's been in a while. I'm leaving capitals out as your post seems based around alphas.
I would move specialist haulers to ORE though, and race-independent stuff like webbing drones obviously needs a complete overhaul.
Thank you for your reply and not posting with a flamethrower. I agree with a medium projectile change and imo change to projectiles as a whole could fix many of the issues as i feel Minmatar ships have the most black sheep of any race. |
Vipsan Agrippa
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.14 21:09:21 -
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Caldari have always been the superior business race.
However, the Tornado is the greatest HiSec ganking ship created. A small fleet can one shot a Marauder before he even turns on his shields.
Who would have thought former slaves could have produced such a marvel? |
March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2017.04.14 21:41:06 -
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I don't see so much superiority of Amarr ships in pvp.
Storyline they are the biggest and mightiest of empires so i'm ok with than.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.14 22:53:58 -
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Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....
PVP is just waste of resources :-) |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:02:00 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....
PVP is just waste of resources :-)
I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Cristl
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:14:54 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote:Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....
PVP is just waste of resources :-) I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve. I feel you may have missed some irony here |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:18:57 -
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Another heretic vomits forth slander.
It's all part of the slightly-tongue-in-cheek overall grimness EvE is going for friend.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.04.15 02:27:50 -
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Yeah I agree with the OP, the 4 main Factions could be balanced more equally, especially pertaining to Alpha Clone status.
However when I first joined over 8 years ago I picked Minmatar because it was the hardest Faction to skill up due to being so versatile in ship fitting. I had decided back then that I would be playing this game for a long time so it didn't bother me that my character would take longer to develop. In fact I even trained up all of the Learning skills because of that.
I think it all depends on each person's viewpoint of how they're going to play this game. I'm in it for the long term, not for the short haul and as such I'd still make the same decision to play Minmatar even if I had just started playing today.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
2140
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Posted - 2017.04.15 07:32:59 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I think it all depends on each person's viewpoint of how they're going to play this game. I'm in it for the long term, not for the short haul ... DMC It looks like new players are mostly from other side of spectre tho.... Which is sad
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.04.15 08:18:03 -
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Amarr have the least amount of skills for alphas. Something like 8-9 overall levels less than minmatar or the others. If anything they need to toss some more levels toward amarr and let them get another capacitor recharge level, advanced weapon upgrades or armor layering. No reason the races should have different level totals once fully trained in alpha skills. Amarr are the blessed superior race so we should have great skills, the best skills, so many skills we get sick of training. The rust weasels deserve to wallow in skill poverty and filth. |
Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
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Posted - 2017.04.15 08:47:40 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Fun is just waste of resources :-)
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Aves Asio
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Posted - 2017.04.15 10:46:49 -
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ccp was lazy when they established the alpha restrictions, to do it properly would require a full rebalance of skill requirements on all ships and modules |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.04.15 11:04:47 -
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I never thought Amarr victor more than Caldari master race and Gallente pleasure hubs. Minmatar? In rust they trust.
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.15 12:42:25 -
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I must admit its been several months since I've played, but only one of six main doctrines were Amarr based for the last group I was in.
To be honest, all races were pretty well represented in the doctrines, except maybe Caldari.
Edi: Yeah, I don't know about the alpha clone thing. I imagine Caldari is still better for missions though, even as an Alpha. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:27:12 -
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oiukhp Muvila wrote:Edi: Yeah, I don't know about the alpha clone thing. I imagine Caldari is still better for missions though, even as an Alpha. I'd say gallente or amarr. the gun + drone combo on a gnosis can't be beat. the caldari rail gnosis is a bit behind the gallente, and well minmatar gnosis is just lol. I feel bad for minmatar alphas.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:29:02 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote:Simply stop pvp and you have no problems with uber amarr ships.....
PVP is just waste of resources :-) I'd say it's pretty damn critical that PvP exist in Eve. nah, lets all just be space friends and have super dank wallets!
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:36:24 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Yeah I agree with the OP, the 4 main Factions could be balanced more equally, especially pertaining to Alpha Clone status. DMC
I feel like it is hard for the majority of players to see the issues with racial balance because most players start to cross train very early on. My skill base is 100% Minmatar and i feel like i can only viably use 10% of the ships available to me. |
Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:40:27 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Another heretic vomits forth slander.
It's all part of the slightly-tongue-in-cheek overall grimness EvE is going for friend.
Im all for grimness, but that is no reason for favoritism. I mean i wont even bring up mordus legion.. or pirate faction ships in general. lets introduce a new pirate line of ships.. oh yeah and lets make it completely op and broken to shake things up and cause the most controversy as possible. |
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Victoria Oswald
Foster Industries LLC.
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Posted - 2017.04.15 17:46:21 -
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I am unable to state my own opinion here, since I am a new player in the EVE universe. However this got me:
Xzanos wrote: On the other hand you have players who play the game more for its immersion factor and RP of joining a corporation/ fighting for ideals.
I was looking for a corp that supports these factors for months. Since I read the first book and decided to play eve I was all about some RP/Story related stuff, but all I found was people cross-using ships and randomly shooting each other, buying expensive goods, create fits for hours and die within minutes again.
So are you just lying to me, or did I just have bad luck?
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2017.04.15 18:00:56 -
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I think Amarr is with it's religious Cults, the Fanatics and intern struggles between the Royal familys lorewise the most interresting of all the empires.
The "medieval" way of thinking and the unique style of their Ships (For example the goldplates as symbol for the imperial might) is simply the most interresting if you are a storywriter or like roleplay. The other empires are a bit dull in comparison. Playing a fanatic zealot makes just more fun then the stingy Caldari Accountant or the Gallentean Democrat. They also make good villains.
And if you run out of arguments in a discussion, you just scream "heretic! traitor! hedon! burn him!" till the other shuts up. You know, pretty much like today's politics works |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2017.04.15 20:15:34 -
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Rovinia wrote:I think Amarr is with it's religious Cults, the Fanatics and intern struggles between the Royal familys lorewise the most interresting of all the empires.
Their "medieval" way of thinking and the unique style of their Ships (For example the goldplates as symbol for the imperial might) is simply the most interresting if you are a storywriter or like roleplay. The other empires are a bit dull in comparison. Playing a fanatic zealot makes just more fun then the stingy Caldari Accountant or the Gallentean Democrat. They also make good villains.
The other empires are less ostentatious to be sure, but I find both the Caldari and Minmatar interesting in their own ways. As for the Gallente, their hedonism is widely remarked on.
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Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.15 20:43:38 -
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There are more Amarr than there are Minmatar, Gallente and Caldari combined. Probably Jove too if the rumours of them all dying are to be believed. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2142
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Posted - 2017.04.15 20:47:16 -
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Victoria Oswald wrote:I am unable to state my own opinion here, since I am a new player in the EVE universe. However this got me: Xzanos wrote: On the other hand you have players who play the game more for its immersion factor and RP of joining a corporation/ fighting for ideals.
I was looking for a corp that supports these factors for months. Since I read the first book and decided to play eve I was all about some RP/Story related stuff, but all I found was people cross-using ships and randomly shooting each other, buying expensive goods, create fits for hours and die within minutes again. So are you just lying to me, or did I just have bad luck? There is subforum "Interstellar Summit" (click here) where people discussing lore and events very heavily. You could look there and try to contact some of those?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2017.04.15 23:34:22 -
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Well I only have 6 years as opposed to 13, but I haven't seen much in the way of ship superiority that isn't just FOTM. The NaPoc replaced the Megathron before they were all replaced with Dominix fleets at one point. How long ago was it that Drakes ruled the skies?
There is serious powercreep in Eve right now, and that really favors the Pirate or Navy hulls over even the glut of T2's in the game.
As for lore- the Amarr have the most obvious and relate-able one. It's easy to RP as a caricature of how most people actually are.
There was a live event based around the Caldari-Gallente conflict (it didn't go over very well).
Lately it's been Amarr, but hey- I am all for CCP actually closing out a story line for once. Way too much of Eve's content feels half done. CCP hauls out a piece of lore to explain some new feature, but then promptly abandons it in the next release. Epic Arcs, COSMOS missions, even Incursions feel like content that was meant for iteration, but never received it.
Next big new feature maybe they will use another race.
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
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Posted - 2017.04.16 06:36:35 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:Well I only have 6 years as opposed to 13, but I haven't seen much in the way of ship superiority that isn't Lately it's been Amarr, but hey- I am all for CCP actually closing out a story line for once. Way too much of Eve's content feels half done. CCP hauls out a piece of lore to explain some new feature, but then promptly abandons it in the next release. Epic Arcs, COSMOS missions, even Incursions feel like content that was meant for iteration, but never received it.
Next big new feature maybe they will use another race.
I agree with the first part, but gods please no not another race... |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2017.04.16 06:44:24 -
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Amarr victor. Deal with it Caldari Scum.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
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Alasdan Helminthauge
HC - Shinra Industry
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Posted - 2017.04.16 11:37:09 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Amarr have the least amount of skills for alphas. Something like 8-9 overall levels less than minmatar or the others. If anything they need to toss some more levels toward amarr and let them get another capacitor recharge level, advanced weapon upgrades or armor layering. No reason the races should have different level totals once fully trained in alpha skills. Amarr are the blessed superior race so we should have great skills, the best skills, so many skills we get sick of training. The rust weasels deserve to wallow in skill poverty and filth.
I'm always wondering that why alphas of every race can train electronic warfare and weapon disrupting to III (while gallente alphas can only train sensor linking I and minmatar target painting I)? Shouldn't it be like Amarr weapon disrupting III, Caldari electronic warfare III, Gallente sensor linking III and Minmatar target painting III? |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2017.04.17 16:08:06 -
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We Amarricans will always dominate.
In God We Trust.
Unlike some forum bound paganistic maladroits
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