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Malcolm Smoot
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.14 22:57:56 -
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Of the four major trade hubs, three have 0.9 Security Level. One-- Hek, the dumpiest of the four-- is at 0.5. One point away from being low sec. What do you think, should that be changed? Some considerations:
Pros -Game world/RP-wise, having Hek at that level doesn't make much sense. Out of almost 8,000 systems, it's one of the top four commercial centers. It doesn't seem to make sense that the Minmatar Republic wouldn't want to protect commerce better there. The majority of people going in and out of Hek are Minmatar citizens, after all. Besides, having indy ships exploded at a major trade hub is kind of embarrassing. It seems like the Republic would have cleaned up the neighborhood by now.
-Gameplay-wise, Hek is a nice spot for miner/freighter ganking, due to the slow faction police response time. New player systems are in the region. When newbros starting in Metropolis want to shop, the stuff they need is mostly in Hek. Should their shopping mall system also have optimal gank zone sec level?
-For Faction Warfare, enemy Amarr or Caldari FW members can sit around camping stations for a good long time. Min Navy are slow to wake up, due to the low sec level. So it's worth their while to set FW station camping as a sub-profession. Compare that to going to Jita, Rens, Dodixie or Amarr as enemy FW. No loitering, you have to dock up pretty quick to avoid NPCs. Is FW hub station camping a good thing? Considering it's only possible against one faction?
Cons -Hek (and the other trade hubs) developed as a trade hub organically. In ancient Eve times trade gravitated to the system, as players themselves picked the most advantageous places to sell. It was 0.5 then, and trade still settled there as a hub.
-Hek's low sec level has helped make it distinctive. As a dump. It has it's own dump character.
What do you think? Should it go closer to 0.9, like the other hubs? Seems CCP could do that by just typing in a digit. |
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
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Posted - 2017.04.14 23:04:12 -
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Hek as a 0.5 system is fun, leave it alone! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.14 23:20:22 -
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Never quite got Hek. I lived nearby and almost always went to Rens instead. But I think it fits Eve. Before I'd change Hek's security status up I'd rather lower Jita's! :-) |
Arnold Hek
Schmitz Fruehauf
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Posted - 2017.04.14 23:45:46 -
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What the Hek is going on? Hek is great as it is. As you said, it's distinctive! |
Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2017.04.14 23:49:26 -
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Hek is dangerous, filled with all kinds of villains and ne'er-do-wells, and it is for this reason the system has character.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:09:50 -
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Malcolm Smoot wrote:What do you think? Should it go closer to 0.9, like the other hubs? 1) CCP didn't make the trade hubs. We did. 2) CCP should not change the sec status.
If you want a 0.9 then find one and dedicate your time to making it the new Minmatar trade hub.
Mr Epeen
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:21:07 -
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Malcolm Smoot wrote:-Gameplay-wise, Hek is a nice spot for miner/freighter ganking, due to the slow faction police response time. Are you confusing faction police with Concord? The former goes after people with low security status or bad standings, the latter reacts to suicide ganks.
As for the security status of Hek, it's fine as it is, Jita is far worse for getting blapped in.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.15 00:26:26 -
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Make Yulai great again!
#MYGA
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2017.04.15 02:24:26 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Make Yulai great again!
#MYGA
The irony of this is that there would be next to zero gankers if it did happen. As its Concord held space low sec status will just get you concorded on jump in or undock.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.04.15 03:00:15 -
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More than likely the only reason Hek is a viable Market Hub is due to being right in the middle of the Minmatar Cosmos Constellation. However I wouldn't classify it as a Major Trade Hub, especially for Minmatar.
In my opinion the 4 Major Trade Hubs are : 1 - Jita (0.9 system) 2 - Amarr (1.0 system) 3 - Dodixie (0.9 system) 4 - Rens (0.9 system)
Each Empire Faction has it's own Major Trade Hub available and even though Jita is the largest one, thanks to Alliance / Sov space doing business there, all of the other Empire Factions could easily have their own Major Trade Hub as large as Jita.
Course it's all up to the players to make it happen.
DMC
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Beast of Revelations
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.15 03:32:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: 1) CCP didn't make the trade hubs. We did. 2) CCP should not change the sec status.
If you want a 0.9 then find one and dedicate your time to making it the new Minmatar trade hub.
This. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.04.15 03:55:28 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Malcolm Smoot wrote:What do you think? Should it go closer to 0.9, like the other hubs? 1) CCP didn't make the trade hubs. We did. 2) CCP should not change the sec status. If you want a 0.9 then find one and dedicate your time to making it the new Minmatar trade hub. Mr Epeen
Exactly this, Hek was 0.5 long before it was a trade hub. I think the minny low sec dwellers like it which is a cool difference in my opinion.
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Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.04.15 05:38:49 -
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HEK is EVE's Mos Eisley. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2017.04.15 05:49:24 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:More than likely the only reason Hek is a viable Market Hub is due to being right in the middle of the Minmatar Cosmos Constellation. However I wouldn't classify it as a Major Trade Hub, especially for Minmatar.
In my opinion the 4 Major Trade Hubs are : 1 - Jita (0.9 system) 2 - Amarr (1.0 system) 3 - Dodixie (0.9 system) 4 - Rens (0.9 system)
Each Empire Faction has it's own Major Trade Hub available and even though Jita is the largest one, thanks to Alliance / Sov space doing business there, all of the other Empire Factions could easily have their own Major Trade Hub as large as Jita.
Course it's all up to the players to make it happen.
DMC Hek is overtaking Rens due to being 2 jumps from the SOE agent, as the three highsec SOE agents are a big mission focus. But yeah, players make the hubs, so deal with it. If it exists as a Hub (& it does) then 0.5 is a fine sec level for it since it formed with said sec level |
grin man
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.15 06:22:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Malcolm Smoot wrote:What do you think? Should it go closer to 0.9, like the other hubs? 1) CCP didn't make the trade hubs. We did. 2) CCP should not change the sec status. If you want a 0.9 then find one and dedicate your time to making it the new Minmatar trade hub. Mr Epeen
Wrong. CCP decided which systems are tradehubs by disallowing citadels in them. Hek is allowed citadels so obviously it was deemed not a hub by CCP. |
Vouid
Tarnak inc. ALAYS Reloaded
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Posted - 2017.04.15 09:34:09 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Make Yulai great again!
#MYGA
The irony of this is that there would be next to zero gankers if it did happen. As its Concord held space low sec status will just get you concorded on jump in or undock.
Not really, faction police in Concord space, still acts like faction police will not concordokken you, they follow same pattern as any other empire faction police.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.15 10:19:38 -
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grin man wrote:
Wrong. CCP decided which systems are tradehubs by disallowing citadels in them. Hek is allowed citadels so obviously it was deemed not a hub by CCP.
Wrong, we decided the tradehub positions by seeding them. When CCP many years later, introduced citadels they made some restrictions in some system, to avoid getting 300+ citadels in Jita for example. But a tradehub is no where defined by allowance of citadels, but by tradevolume by which Hek is a tradehub.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
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Posted - 2017.04.15 10:29:34 -
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CCP doesn't consider Hek a trade hub - you can build Citadels and EC's in system. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.04.15 12:53:41 -
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Pixel Piracy wrote:HEK is EVE's is the slums of Mos Eisley. FTFY
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.15 13:05:55 -
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Hek has always been nice because its a back way into some nice Low sec areas and has always had a low-key market. Not sure why everyone else likes it.
It has an odd smell about it.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.04.15 13:27:09 -
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0.5 space is fitting. Minmatar space is a bad neighborhood. It's full of heretical runaway slaves. So roll up your cargohold doors and lock your pod and burn out of there as fast as you can and come on down to a bigger better hub like amarr. We understand important things like order, justice, and personal hygiene. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2017.04.15 14:21:55 -
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sero Hita wrote:grin man wrote:
Wrong. CCP decided which systems are tradehubs by disallowing citadels in them. Hek is allowed citadels so obviously it was deemed not a hub by CCP.
Wrong, we decided the tradehub positions by seeding them. When CCP many years later, introduced citadels they made some restrictions in some system, to avoid getting 300+ citadels in Jita for example. But a tradehub is no where defined by allowance of citadels, but by tradevolume by which Hek is a tradehub.
This.
https://market.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Hek has the fifth highest number of sell orders, close to that of Rens, and half that of dodixie. Buy orders are the same.
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Kane Adestur
Low Friction Space Pilots
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Posted - 2017.04.15 18:00:16 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Malcolm Smoot wrote:What do you think? Should it go closer to 0.9, like the other hubs? 1) CCP didn't make the trade hubs. We did. 2) CCP should not change the sec status. If you want a 0.9 then find one and dedicate your time to making it the new Minmatar trade hub.
Interesting idea, always wondered how much effort that would be and if it could be done at all.
1) You would need to seed all the basic stuff. Not an easy task, for sure. There are more than 6.000 items actively traded in the region during the last month. Ok, a lot of them don't need to be seeded, like NPC trade goods, Blueprints, low volume stuff and so on. But still an awful lot of items
2) A really good Trade Hub needs competitive prices on the buying side as well, to allow mission runners, explorers, FW warriors and all the rest to quickly dump their stuff (I doubt that Hek is really competitve in that, but ok)
3) As with real estate: The location is key. As was mentioned before, Hek is close to the mission runner hotspot for Sisters of Eve and some others. Hek is directly on the shortest path between Heimatar and Jita and close to Sinq Laison. Hek is only two jumps from FW lowsec. Being on a short path to other tradehubs is important for inter-regional traders.
4) The station needs a factory and reprocessing with 50% (a lot of low-value items are only bought to reprocess)
5) As a bonus: It should be easy to gain standing with the owning corp (Hek is the worst of all the tradehubs in this regard)
Considering all this, let's look on possible alternatives:
Uttindar and Bei, but both of them also have low security status and no factory, so nothing to win here.
Olbra could work, but it's already 4 jumps from FW lowsec and not really well connected to most other constellations of Metropolis.
Eram looks nice on the first glance, but it's already far from FW zone and most popular mission runner systems. On the plus side: It's closer to Nullsec regions Geminate and Great Wildlands. But not much trade to expect from there I guess.
Illuin and Hjortur are well connected to other parts of Metropolis but very far away from FW zone and mission runners.
No, I think Hek is already the best choice for Metropolis.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2017.04.15 18:02:04 -
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TIL I should spend more time in Hek...
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