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Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:08:00 - [1] Our Governor has issued a statement proclaiming his foreknowledge of the talks between our Consulate and our neighboring tribal settlements. That is good news. A lot of members of our Temple of voiced their concern because of the silence of our superiors. We are glad to hear that the talks where sanctioned by the Empire. Here, inside the walls of God's Holy Empire, a man is held accountable to his words and deeds. It gives all of us, at the Temple of the Holy prophet and all the communities that we serve every day, greater relief and a sense of security to hear our esteemed High Commissioner Anfrid Uptemulf publicly reaffirm that the Consulates position is the same as it ever was; Loyalty to our Amarr Governor, working in the best interest of the Ammatar people, and during these talks with our neighboring tribal settlements, hoping for peace but treading with caution. I will take the time to do two things here tonight. First I will praise God for giving our leaders, Our Amarrian Governor Ibrar Ondagoi and our Consulate, the wisdom to pursue goals that are noble and just. May God continue to enlighten their path and continue to give them the strength, wisdom, and resolve, to continue doing the outstanding job they have done so far. Praises be to the God of the universe for placing us under the care of the Holy Empire. All citizens of the Empire rejoice! The second thing I want to address is the following. Our neighboring tribal settlements have organized themselves and call themselves ôThe Republicö. We do not see them as a legitimate government but for the sake of brevity lets call them by the name they call themselves. This ôRepublicö seeks at the moment peace negotiations with our Consulate. In a way they are seeking, we hope with sincerity, peace with the Ammatar people. Because of our loyalty to God and to our Empire we must not break our promises and engage this ôRepublicö in any way or form. But...what does this mean? Does it mean that we will give their terrorist organizations and rogue paramilitary organizations a free pass through Mandate space? No. No. No! Our talks are with the leaders of this ôRepublicö, not with their terrorists and their paramilitary groups. If any group is loyal to their ôRepublicö they must speak up now! Who is with Midular? Who is with the Republic and who is not? Who is loyal and who is not loyal to this Republic? Do we know? I think the first thing we should do, is begin writing names down.: Electus Matari-Terrorists! Ushra'Khan- Terrorists! Who else? The Republic needs to draw the lines! Who is part of the Republic and who is not? I want to know. The names of the loyalists should be known. House of Marek is with Delictum23216. We are loyal to God, to the Empire and to the Mandate. House of Marek will respect peace with this Republic if the talks proceed. But terrorists and rogue paramilitary elements are excluded. This is obvious, they cannot be left to roam free. I would go so far as to state that I would be willing to fly next to a Republic ship to hunt down those that threaten the direct orders of our Amarr Governor and our Consulate. Even if the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. I doubt it will ever get to that point but either we make a commitment to weed out these groups, together, and I don't mean flying together as in my aforementioned last case scenario comment but in declaring them enemies of both states for peace sake and start a cleansing from both sides. Crushing the*****roaches once and for all!
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.07 22:22:00 - [2] Your Holiness, these are words of inspiration to us all! The Electus Matari must now prove their loyalty to their authorities. I relish the prospect of them being made unwelcome in their own northern havens of the terra irridente should they decide to become an obstruction to peace. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.05.08 00:11:00 - [3] So this is the dividend of peace? High price indeed............. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.08 01:53:00 - [4] We are no terrorists. EM is a paramilitary alliance, similar to the Amarrian CVA surpresses urge to insult CVA. I should point out that we have declared a truce with Delictum in light of these negotiations. If the negotiations are successful, that truce will stand. EM is with the Republic. And for the record, I believe that I have free passage through any space I damn choose by virtue of my rights as a law-abiding citizen. Ogoel, as far as I know, you have the same rights. You could visit Pator any time you wanted. I could visit Amarr - and I have done so (it was on the way to the EVE gate, which I visited a while ago). ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:29:00 - [5] Your alliance has committed documented acts of piracy and terrorism in Amarr space. Committing acts of terrorism makes one a terrorist, does it not? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.08 05:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Your alliance has committed documented acts of piracy and terrorism in Amarr space. Committing acts of terrorism makes one a terrorist, does it not? Terrorism is commonly defined as using terror as a means of pushing one's agenda. The case you cite against EM could at worst be described as vigilantism; that is they circumvented laws to deal out punishment to accused criminals as opposed to letting the proper legal channels handle it. Unless there are some incidents that haven't been reported here on gal-net, EM is (again, at worst) vigilanties rather than terrorists. ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:39:00 - [7] Our politics are our own. House Marek, when it ended its bondadge with the Minmatar and decided to unite with the other Ammatar houses, has ended their right to mingle in these matters. That right ended not because of you proclaiming your alignment to the Empire. We will always communicate, even with our enemies. It has ended because you have given your right to speak away to the Empire. As much as we regret that, you give us no choice but to ignore you and your comments. We will communicate with your masters, until your sense of Freedom will come back to you. RB join us today!
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Redbad Edited by: Redbad on 08/05/2007 12:56:57 Our politics are our own. House Marek, when it ended its bondadge with the Matari and decided to unite with the other Ammatar houses, has ended their right to mingle in these matters. That right ended not because of you proclaiming your alignment to the Empire. We will always communicate, even with our enemies. It has ended because you have given your right to speak away to the Empire. As much as we regret that, you give us no choice but to ignore you and your comments. We will communicate with your masters or the Ammatar that are still in touch with their sense of Freedom. I will reconsider when your sense of Freedom will come back to you. RB Maybe you are not clear on something. I do not make policy, nor do I speak for the Mandate , nor the Empire. I only voice my own opinion and echo the concerns of the membership of the Temple of the Holy Prophet, most are Ammatar citizens of the Mandate, all of which are under my guidance as their spiritual counselor. I serve the Mandate until the day the Theology Council finds another use for this humble servant of God.
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Nachshon We are no terrorists. EM is a paramilitary alliance, similar to the Amarrian CVA surpresses urge to insult CVA. I should point out that we have declared a truce with Delictum in light of these negotiations. If the negotiations are successful, that truce will stand. EM is with the Republic. And for the record, I believe that I have free passage through any space I damn choose by virtue of my rights as a law-abiding citizen. Ogoel, as far as I know, you have the same rights. You could visit Pator any time you wanted. I could visit Amarr - and I have done so (it was on the way to the EVE gate, which I visited a while ago). So...for the record. Is EM 100% committed to help Midular in anything she or her cabinet needs? Even if , for the sake of argument, she needs to hunt down Ushra'Khan Terrorists? Ogoel Marek?
3ll3 Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.08 18:44:00 - [10] Originally by: "Gaven Lok'ri" Your alliance has committed documented acts of piracy and terrorism in Amarr space. Committing acts of terrorism makes one a terrorist, does it not? But doesnÆt that mean any Amarrian who comes into republic space with the express desire to cause trouble and start a fight or to hunt down soft target make them a terrorist as well? As a fair number of PIE actually dose? And how can a legally sanctioned war between PIE and EM be terrorism, when it's all above board? Please forgive my naivety and ignorance in asking these probably simple questions but being a simple lad I'm not to well up on such complexities Verus Amare Vinceres Omnis

Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Ogoel Marek Originally by: Redbad Edited by: Redbad on 08/05/2007 12:56:57 Our politics are our own. House Marek, when it ended its bondadge with the Matari and decided to unite with the other Ammatar houses, has ended their right to mingle in these matters. That right ended not because of you proclaiming your alignment to the Empire. We will always communicate, even with our enemies. It has ended because you have given your right to speak away to the Empire. As much as we regret that, you give us no choice but to ignore you and your comments. We will communicate with your masters or the Ammatar that are still in touch with their sense of Freedom. I will reconsider when your sense of Freedom will come back to you. RB Maybe you are not clear on something. I do not make policy, nor do I speak for the Mandate , nor the Empire. I only voice my own opinion and echo the concerns of the membership of the Temple of the Holy Prophet, most are Ammatar citizens of the Mandate, all of which are under my guidance as their spiritual counselor. I serve the Mandate until the day the Theology Council finds another use for this humble servant of God. I understand you quite well mr. Marek. I know you don't speak for the Mandate or the Empire. Puppets cannot make policy and The Empire doesn't need disobedients. You are perhaps a servant of your god, of the Imperial Theology Coucil, but more importantly, you are a slave to your true self. Freedom is not being a servant, freedom is serving because you can. Alas, as I said we shall never agree, no need to discuss this further. RB join us today!
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:04:00 - [12] If Ushra'Khan were to actually attack the Republic, we would fight them. However, we do not blindly follow our leaders. If she were to order us to take an act which is blatantly against Republic interests, we would disobey her. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Ogoel Marek	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:26:00 - [13] Edited by: Ogoel Marek on 09/05/2007 01:28:11 Originally by: Nachshon If Ushra'Khan were to actually attack the Republic, we would fight them. However, we do not blindly follow our leaders. If she were to order us to take an act which is blatantly against Republic interests, we would disobey her. This is interesting. You see. I am asking these questions because if peace is going to take hold between our sectors many of our policies will have to change. These things will have to be worked out by our superiors and your superiors. Yes, I mean your superiors; you tribes dont live in total chaos and thus have some kind of structure to your "Republic". Since you dont have a total and irrevocable commitment to serving your kind you must make some kind of laws and clear assurances within your so called "reason" that would make perfectly clear what constitutes an act that is blatantly against the republic's interests. What are the Republic's interests?; Are they written down?; Do you hold a summit?; Is there some kind of scripture that you hold as law?; A constitution or claim of rights?; Is your House of Lords like our own?; Do all the tribes hold to a standard view of whats accepted as the aims of the Republic? We must also ask ourselves, The Ammatar, the questions that you raise. What is an act against the fiber of the Empire? We will have to define our relationship within the context of the Empire. This talks plunge us into deep waters too. What concessions will we as Ammatars have to make. What will our Amarrian Governor allow us to do, and change, in order to acomplish the goals of this new world, post peace talks? How will the peace be enforced? I believe that we are at a crossroads.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.05.09 01:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Nachshon If Ushra'Khan were to actually attack the Republic, we would fight them. However, we do not blindly follow our leaders. If she were to order us to take an act which is blatantly against Republic interests, we would disobey her. You seem to alude to a hypothetical ability to better judge the interests entrusted to Karin Midular. I have noted this. The truth does not go out of its way to match your flawed perspective on this point, be careful lest you overrate your own abilities. Delictum 23216 Official forums
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:52:00 - [15] Unless one is prepared to renounce all terrorist corporations, throw down their weapons and embrace peace, I would be doubtful of real sincerity even by those in that Godless "Republic" who proclaim they want peace. Peace is brought about by words and actions. I hear plenty of words by the "Republic" but very little action relating to the reassimilation of their people to Amarr and the acceptance of divine law over them. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.05.09 12:52:00 - [16] Please note that each pilot in this discussion speaks for him/herself. Gradient as a corporation and Electus Matari as an alliance are not and have never been terrorist organizations. We obey the commands of our government, and have already entered a cease-fire with the loyal Ammatar organizations. For more information on EM policies, please talk to the alliance diplomat Evanda Char. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. "When pirates hate your guts, you know you are doing something right."
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.09 13:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Archbishop Peace is brought about by words and actions. I hear plenty of words by the "Republic" but very little action relating to the reassimilation of their people to Amarr and the acceptance of divine law over them. Archbishop Oh come now, both you and I know how stupid that sounds. If the only way to peace was capitulation to the Amarr you'd be at war with..........oh say every sovreign nation in the cluster. You'd better get comfortable with the prospect of a free and independant Republic, 'cause I don't see us running back to the Empire to get used and abused anytime soon. If you lot want these peace talks to amount to anything (which I sincerely doubt you do) you're going to have to stop treating the Republic like some break away province and as it's own nation; everyone else has and frankly your not doing so makes you look rather silly. ----------------------------- "Our nation, may she always be right, but our nation right or wrong" - Unknown

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