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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:11:00 -
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i dunno high sec scares me... you "feel" safe but then bam all your goodies are gone...
i much prefer NPC 0.0 best space in all of eve... |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
130
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:36:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i dunno high sec scares me... you "feel" safe but then bam all your goodies are gone...
i much prefer NPC 0.0 best space in all of eve...
Yep you set that one order for 100 billion instead of 100 million and all that isk goes poof in brokers fees.
Then don't you wish you would have burned through that isk doing pvp - even if you lost a few ships and pods due to diaper changes? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Selinate
191
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:42:00 -
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One of the funniest things I've always found about MMO's is how little a lot of the players realize how "hardcore" (translated, having no life) they really are. You can talk to Eve players who say "Yeah, it's really easy to do this. That stuff takes no time at all. Dude, just do it, there's nothing stopping you from doing it".
If you end up finally getting the time they put into the game out of them to do whatever it is they're talking about, they'll end up saying it took them 8 hours of gameplay in a single day.
Yeah, thanks, I have my real life to attend to... |
Cipher Jones
223
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:59:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Alrione wrote:Go back to wow (or swtor). I wish that everyone who felt like the OP would. And in addition to that, everyone who had carebear alts that stay in hisec to finance PvP would leave on all of their mains and alts. Just for a week. And you know what would happen? Not a god damned thing. The server would have ONLY bots on it. Ahh Cipher Jones, the infamous 'Thread-Chameleon' hard at work. Last week, you were the OP.
Glad to see you hard at work using character assassination fallacy rather than responding to what I actually wrote. Working as intended.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Mersault
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:06:00 -
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I hate everything about this post and the poster
Seldom do internet forums inspire me with such unbridled loathing, disgust and animosity
Thankyou OP |
J Kunjeh
149
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:15:00 -
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Kudos to the OP for being hardcore enough to post this in this den of vipers and thieves. I for one appreciate (some) of the interesting replies it brought. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2011.12.30 00:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP Like, you must be a marines or quite possibly a dragon slayer in real life because you reek of internet courage.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
70
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Posted - 2011.12.30 01:25:00 -
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confirming im hardcore snd eve is designed for smartpeople. be smart and profit from your own awsomeness. too bad the dev cant keep up with some of the top 2% of dmart people in the world. if they did this game would be sooooo much better
ps: typing this in bed from by galacy at 2:22 in the morning
/Mr awesomesaucagrimrealyaweomeandhaveaincrediablepenishimselve CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:21:00 -
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Eliana Bandokar wrote:To a certain extent I'd agree that anything outside of highsec can be more difficult for casual players. We often don't get enough playtime all in a row to take part in fleet stuff and a lot of us can't say for sure when they'll next be online, which prevents us from getting into certain awesome activities. This is all just fact, it's the same whatever your game and it's something you deal with as your priorities in life change.
On the other hand, hobbies and relationships are both important, and neither one should prevent someone from having the other. If your relationship completely negates the possibility of being able to say "this 2 hour block of time once a week is mine, and will only be disrupted in an emergency" then there are bigger issues at play here, just the same as someone who neglects his wife to play a game 24/7 would also have issues.
Excellent post. I think it addresses the OPs concern about low sec/ null sec. Even 1 hour block of time should be doable if you WANT to go to low sec/null sec. But I suspect there is more at play here. Using the excuse that I don't have the time is pretty old.
Whatever the case might be, if you are able to login, you can play in any space. You will probably die more but hey its just pixels and you pay your $15 per month regardless so who really cares. Unless you are a K/D ***** and worried about looking like a noob.
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Phizban
The Needs Of The Few The Needs Of The Few Many
139
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:27:00 -
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Cloora wrote:I'm sorry OP but you are very incorrect. I am a father of 3 very young children and I live in low sec and PvP.
Recons are awesome you can cloak and go afk. There are stations in low sec you know that right? It's called docking. Safespot and log with no aggression if you have no cloak.
In high sec you can have issues too. Ever been scrammed in a lvl 4 mission with full aggro?
You are just making excuses.
THIS is full awesomesauce. |
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White Tree
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
693
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:32:00 -
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EVE is what you make it, there are merely areas where the law isn't going to come and save you.
I don't even log into this dumb stupid dumb fat dumb game and yet I'm basically a 'hardcore' EVE player because I'm heavily invested in the politics and meta-elements.
EVE is to complex I have a hard time defining what a casual is in this game, as varying levels of investment in terms of actual 'time' offer different rewards.
Now you say you don't have the time to farm to lose ships all day and thats fine, I guess - If you've bought into the mentality that more ISK = Better ship?
Can you afford a Rifter? Or a Thrasher? Because if you can you can solo in nullsec and kill dumb ratters. Hell you can kill my dumb ratters, one guy in a thrasher kills enough of my dumb ratters, why can't you?
Lets all kill Elite Space Guild's dumb ratters. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
18
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:32:00 -
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I took a Stealth Bomber to deep within -A space as an early venture in to 0.0 space. I would log in, go to work, come home 8 hrs later and log out. Go play another account for a few hrs, log back in and go to bed.
I did that for 3 or 4 weeks.
Later I moved to Provi. They sploded me alot there. It was fun for all. I think I still have 2 cloaks logged out in thier space.. or is it PL's space now?
OP: You are imortal in EVE. Use it FFS. I'm not saying take Paladins or Golems to null. Take trash. I've never shot a hauler and I never will. (T2 don't count) Everything else? free game. |
White Tree
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
693
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Posted - 2011.12.30 02:35:00 -
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no ignore this guy solo gatecamp in rancer in an office fit golem and violence noobs who try to get all up in your game. |
Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
32
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Posted - 2011.12.30 03:19:00 -
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White Tree wrote:EVE is what you make it, there are merely areas where the law isn't going to come and save you.
"The law is only protection when everyone agrees to be bound by it." - Thane Krios, Mass Effect.
EVE Online truly is what the player makes of it, as stated previously in this thread. I'm a busy fellow and can't always enjoy time virtually blowing things up, or getting blown up. My level of dedication is certainly casual, yet that hasn't stopped me from going out in to 'the ****' in EVE to chase after the carrot.
It isn't hard when you figure out how to rip off the duct tape holding the stick to your head. Ive accepted that I can and will be blown to smithereens, but I'm able to balance that equation out to an exciting result. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1000
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Posted - 2011.12.30 04:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP
Coward, for admitting it?
This reminds of a Calvin and Hobbes strip where Calvin joined the baseball team, got smack talked a lot, and when he wanted to leave the team because of that and that he could not play well, the coach called him a quitter.
All the OP is saying is that null requires more than casual play. Perhaps this is arguable. I would agree that there is too much "thinking inside of the box" in this game, but that's universal - everybody gets stuck in the same traffic on the same roads every day too.
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Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
177
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Posted - 2011.12.30 07:24:00 -
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I am a care bear who plays EVE 6 hours a week and i live in a WH. wtf is your problem? CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
43
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Posted - 2011.12.30 08:22:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:
Good tips, My original post is skewed a bit towards ignorance of low/null life. So it is more of a noob like impression of what the wild-west of space looks like. I spent a couple months very early on in Fountain (BRUCE!). I'm good at transiting through lowsec (especially now that I have a blockade runner and a cov ops, but fast frigates are cool there too.) I have a fair idea of what's going on.
The dangers are manageable. It's just a learning cliff.
Seriously, the best thing you can do is jump off that cliff. Put your money earning ships in storage. Find a corp in low sec or 0.0 that will take you and show you the ropes. Head out and jump in with both feet.
Conversely, you can stop training on your "main" character and make an alt. Train it up to fly a rifter, incursus, some other frigate. Buy up 20 of them, fit them up. Then go out and lose them all. Flight of Dragons has a very good blog about how he went out and did just that. It isn't the easiest thing to do, but it is rather rewarding.
Failing all of that you could join Red vs. Blue. It's not quite the same as "real" PVP, but it is quite a rush, and also quite easy to pop in and out of.
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Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
44
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Posted - 2011.12.30 08:31:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful. Don't listen to the posters who say you EVE isn't the game for you. As long as you find your niche in the game and having fun, everything is okay. You don't have to explain yourself why you prefer to stay in high-sec. There can be many reasons why someone don't likes to go to low-sec, null-sec or wh-space. Be it time constraints, risk aversion, not liking the people out there, risk vs. reward imbalance etc. pp.
But granted, it isn't as scary out there as many think. I was in low-sec very regulary for about half a year and visited friends in wormholes and explored some with my friends more than once. If you know what you are doing and use cheap ships that you can afford to loose it isn't that "hardcore" as you may think. Just go there now and then to have some fun if you like, you don't have to live there to get some fun out of that areas. If you need a week to replace your loss, than just go there once a week.
But as long as you have fun, do what you like and "live" where you like in the vast universe of EVE . There is enough place for all of us but sadly some players don't seem to understand that. |
Tas Nok
Hedion University Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2011.12.30 10:14:00 -
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sry for the mini-wall of text... TL:DR, eve is a sandbox, casual play is hard but doable, maybe new areas less sand-boxy, more casual could help
Eve is ultimately a sandbox and in the end whatever you choose to do is your game, that said the sections and activities within the game do have structure, HS-LS-Null-WH, industry,pvp,pve, etc... with differing levels of rules and complexity. (yes I know this is obvious to nearly everyone reading this)
the point is the game is lacking two key play areas that casual gamers (30min or less) would dearly love
instant pvp and carebear havens
for the instant pvp it would very much be nice to have a separate way to log on and end up in an arena where folks WANT to fight and after a short while they can leave... currently HS/LS griefer corps fill this role with a pile of war dec's so their fleet members can come and go and always have things to shoot on short notice, you get the thrill without the pain of having to wait for fleet
for the carebear havens I'm not really sure but some folks really are not into politics, war, shooting, and generally anything they find annoying and want to do their passive thing and be left alone while doing it... currently HS mining mostly fills this role as mining fleets swell and dwindle as folks log on or log off, you get to feel productive as you build something from the ore you mine or sell it for something new and shiny
These two areas are very much opposed to one another and are not very sand-boxy (no neutral reps in the arena, you're on your own) and in the havens no gankers are gonna pop up to ruin your day cause whatever it ends up it needs to be LESS productive than HS (maybe trit only belts? and lvl 1 missions?)
The heart and soul of eve is that it is very much a wide open sandbox with very few rules, but it cannot be denied that there is a class of player (those that can't be arsed to sit still for 2-4 hours in a fleet) that ignores eve because these options don't exist, hardcore wannabe's who just wanna blow crap up as fast as possible, and passive folks who just like the idea of traveling and mining in space. Both groups could perhaps be lured into eve if it weren't for the idiots of eve who think that Null and titans are the end-game and feel that if you aren't playing the game their way then they will make playing it your way harder and harder until you quit.
I honestly do not know if this would be good for the game or not, I have met players in the game over my 4 years who are as dumb as a post and others who I still ask for guidance. I think honestly and openly considering the health of the game (and by extension the health of ccp) would be a good topic but I suspect the forum trolls might derail it.
The OP has a point, eve is not BUILT for casual play, and as many posts have stated there are ways to mitigate that, with safes, cloaks, docking... etc but there is nothing about the game that your 3yr old or cat or GF won't wreck when they hit the keyboard and you decloak 300km off a station in hostile territory and you end up in a clone. Adding some areas into the game that are LESS sandbox and more structure might be healthy or it might signal the death of eve, I'm not sure but allowing more playstyles should encourage more people to play, which would keep eve healthy and running because if we have another summer of discontent eve is likely doomed. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
27
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:27:00 -
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Really? Is the OP serious?
It sounds like your wife and life, are all wrong.
This is a game, things can be replaced...if the wife shouts you during a fight, tell her to wait till you're done. If its urgent, just ******* logoff.
If my missus asks me to do something while I am on eve i just tell her i cant pause the internet, if its urgent...I will gladly logoff a 3bil tengu that is scrammed, webbed and being primaried, it can be replaced.
It sounds like you take the game too serious and your wife has a grasp of your balls so tight, you jump at the sign of her needing something.
Please, you and anyone else with this attitude....stop crying. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
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Gridwalker
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:45:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
Nah, you're not in 0.0 or low sec because you don't WANT to be, not because you CAN'T be. If you actually WANTED to be in 0.0 or low sec, you would have asked us how we manage survival in a hostile environment when real life calls at a bad time. Instead, for some reason, you felt inclined to share some woe-is-me story about how your busy life won't let you play with the rest of the gang.
We all have real lives and real responsibilities that pop up at uncomfortable moments. We just worked out how to deal with them when they do, and accept it when we lose our ship or pod because of an urgent real life situation.
Oh, and by the way... I'm fairly certain your baby can survive with a turd in his diaper for the two minutes it will take you to safe up.. The only time I've ever had a situation where I simply needed to log off in the middle of a fleet operation was when I had to take my wife to the hospital due to accidentally cutting herself while making dinner. I hate to break it to you, but if during a situation like THAT you're worried about losing your ship, you're a whole lot more "hardcore" about EVE than any of US!
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Lizzy Hale
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:48:00 -
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It's been said a few times here, but hey; I'll say it again.
GO BACK TO WoW!
EVE is not a risk-free game. Suprise! Even High-sec is NOT safe! Suicide ganking is wayyy too fun for people to not do it.
WoW caters to people like you. People who can not handle the risk.
Cheers m8 o/ |
Pteranodon
Rekall Incorporated The Forsaken.
10
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:12:00 -
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Going to Null was the best thing our corp ever did.
We make more ISK & the player reward is far greater as we have to work together.
I say each to there own & with jump clones you can have the best of both worlds.
I see nothing to be scared of in null. What's the worst that can happen- you lose a ship or lose a pod as well. That's not a big deal!
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Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:26:00 -
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WH space is the safest place to be in EVE. You can go afk, while you are in your POS (cloaked) or on a safespot cloaked (un-fleet). Even if something de-cloaks you and your safe spot is near the POS, the chances someone will combat scan you are slim....
High sec is wayyyyy more risky to fly in. Before you know it, your overview is lagged again and you shoot a yellow, that was red on your overview and the evil concord fcks up your T3 ..... |
Thomas Gore
Nasranite Watch
1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 13:18:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec.
Sure there is. It amounts to about the value of your ship, modules, cargo, your clone and implants minus the insurance.
I'm in the casual pile myself. I've got a dragon for a wife who has actually once cut the power from our apartment to stop my game. So when she says she needs my attention I'm usually sooner or later forced to comply one way or another.
Would I want the game to be tailored for me? Of course I would? Do I expect it to happen? Nope.
Take EVE as it is or play a more casual-friendly game.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
68
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:09:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:I am a care bear who plays EVE 6 hours a week and i live in a WH. wtf is your problem?
The you are not a carebear, you are obviously willing to apply some risk to your game play and experience the ups and downs of player interaction. |
Levo Harkonnen
Salty Nut Attack Squirrels Army Of Darkness.
4
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:20:00 -
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OP is actually really cool, he keeps his wife in the kitchen and goes to help her so she doesn't have to leave the kitchen. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:31:00 -
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Gibbo3771 wrote:and your wife has a grasp of your balls so tight, Oh crap now you made me all frisky....
Lizzy Hale wrote:Suicide ganking is wayyy too fun for people to not do it. Agreed, even though I got ganked and lost 1.6 Billion, I thought it was hilarious. I wasn't expecting it of course and all of a sudden I'm sitting in my pod in Jita. I'm like WTF just happened... |
Skuggi Haust
My Little Cynos
0
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:32:00 -
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Cloak was the way to deal with RL when on a long op. All you needed to do was fly to a mid-safe and cloak-up. Ironically it was the non-hardcore players who always wanted to stop people using cloaks for an indefinite length of time because, (sarcasm) obviously cloaked ships can kill you mining in a belt with your friends.
Anyways.... there's plenty of things to get up to in hi-sec if you don't have the time to deal with having to cloak-up and potentially come back stranded in enemy territory. |
Guillame Herschel
NME1
19
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:38:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper.
Then you better stay docked, because hi sec is not safe for afk diaper changing, either. |
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