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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2017.05.06 20:09:09 -
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Today on the Federal Frontier: Hecate Patrol Neutralizes Interloper Zarvox Toral. A lucrative win for the Gallente Militia.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1621
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Posted - 2017.05.06 20:25:38 -
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Hmm. Good battlereport. Can't exactly blame the author for assuming they were 800mm ACs. I don't think I've ever seen Dual 425s on a Machariel before. Disgustingly expensive for its purpose, but I suppose when you're bankrolled by 'fans' like that, such things don't matter as much.
Honestly a bit surprised it didn't fare better against your patrol with that armament.
Looking forwards to future battlereports. A request, if you don't mind, would be analyses of lost fights. They can be far more interesting both as educational tools and narratives, as inherent biases sneak in even with the best of intentions. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
447
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:17:58 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Hmm. Good battlereport. Can't exactly blame the author for assuming they were 800mm ACs. I don't think I've ever seen Dual 425s on a Machariel before. Disgustingly expensive for its purpose, but I suppose when you're bankrolled by 'fans' like that, such things don't matter as much.
Honestly a bit surprised it didn't fare better against your patrol with that armament.
Looking forwards to future battlereports. A request, if you don't mind, would be analyses of lost fights. They can be far more interesting both as educational tools and narratives, as inherent biases sneak in even with the best of intentions.
Noted, will include reports of less successful engagements. I was away planetside this past day, but another engagement might be forthcoming this evening. Stay tuned.
The gun loadout was a surprise, to be sure. The tracking speed of the dual 425mm's is so much higher, that it does have certain advantages against smaller craft. At the end of the day, it was mostly the ability of the Hecate's thermal overload circuitry that allowed us to minimize casualties as much as we did. Tech-three is certainly useful because of that.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
169
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Posted - 2017.05.08 13:00:18 -
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Mr Soter, if your writer wants to move further from the philosophy of the soul and do some practical work to test it, i think he-¦ll like to know about Project Transcendence. All factions welcome.
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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
71
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Posted - 2017.05.09 17:48:38 -
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Villore Accords disavowed by the FDU! Is there a political agenda? The authorities deny it. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7544
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Posted - 2017.05.09 18:19:36 -
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I mean... Generally... The only thing the authorities care about is how many of their people you've shot at. That suggests that your overarching Alliance has signed some corp or corps who have people enrolled who are, how you say, "a little naughty in their sight."
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
71
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Posted - 2017.05.09 19:27:33 -
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Funny how they have a blind eye for some, but find a minor technicality to hit some others with.
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Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75203
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Posted - 2017.05.09 19:30:12 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:Funny how they have a blind eye for some, but find a minor technicality to hit some others with.
That is bureaucracy my friend.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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Saint Michaels Soul
Moira. Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2017.05.10 08:44:54 -
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I believe that the Federation have heard we're providing a stage for the Intaki Liberation Front to put out a pro-freedom article in the next few days and they were trying to shorten our leash. We're in talks with them at the moment and still intend to publish the piece. |
Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
72
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Posted - 2017.05.10 22:39:14 -
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I am sure the guardians of acceptable thought will appreciate our latest contribution more. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3807
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Posted - 2017.05.10 22:42:09 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:I am sure the guardians of acceptable thought will appreciate our latest contribution more.
... Right.
Citations needed.
Lots of them. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1651
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Posted - 2017.05.10 23:29:25 -
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... spirits below, I just got irrationally furious on the behalf of Caldari. I didn't think I was that invested in that side of their history, but apparently I am. That has to be a troll piece intended to ruffle feathers, if it managed to ruffle mine like that. I mean, I'm technically an enemy of theirs and there's still got to be some limits to the crap one throws out there.
Urgh, disregard me. That article made me not word good much more because reasons or something. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9775
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Posted - 2017.05.11 00:24:29 -
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You know, I've often wondered about that Gallente organization that made landfall on Caldari Prime, the Cultural Deliverance Society. The implications are fascinating. Could it be that the Gallente have been, for over seven centuries, attempting to deliver the Caldari from the darkness of being Caldari?
Edit; on hindsight, please don't respond to this. My suspicion is this hilarious farce of a piece is just trying to get peoples' hackles raised.
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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
72
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Posted - 2017.05.11 00:48:45 -
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There is something to be said for thinking beyond the historical narratives we have been brought up with.
For example it is still a widely held conviction among historians all over the cluster, that the Nouvelle Rouvenor attack may have been an inside job. Historical records exist which support either view, but in the Federal Standard Curriculum for history the whole thing is conveniently declared as an act of a racist Caldari splinter group.
Maybe a piece like this demonstrates how deep the divide between subjective realities can be? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7561
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Posted - 2017.05.11 02:14:04 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:I am sure the guardians of acceptable thought will appreciate our latest contribution more.
Trust the Gallente to complain because a man spat on their boot when it slipped off his throat.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1736
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Posted - 2017.05.11 03:42:00 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:I am sure the guardians of acceptable thought will appreciate our latest contribution more. You shall know the truth and the truth shall make youGǪ mad.
I usually portion the success of your exertions by those whom its disappoints. A brilliant article as always.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9776
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Posted - 2017.05.11 03:49:51 -
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I wonder, Syagrius. Does this also make the U-Nats terrorists for their orbital bombardment of a civilian population?
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1737
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Posted - 2017.05.11 03:57:01 -
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Saint Michaels Soul wrote:I believe that the Federation have heard we're providing a stage for the Intaki Liberation Front to put out a pro-freedom article in the next few days and they were trying to shorten our leash. We're in talks with them at the moment and still intend to publish the piece. Now that should be rather an interesting read.
I canGÇÖt wait to see how they explain opposing the demonstrated will of the Intaki people to remain within our Federal Union as proGǪ freedom.
But I suppose I should reserve my judgments until I read the article.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1737
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Posted - 2017.05.11 04:03:26 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:I wonder, Syagrius. Does this also make the U-Nats terrorists for their orbital bombardment of a civilian population? Why yes, Ms. Priano it does if indeed they did.
But forgive me. Given your kinGÇÖs loose association with the truth I think it as likely that said GÇÿorbital bombardmentGÇÖ was, wherever possible limited to valid military targets.
The rest, being myth, propaganda, and lies.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7565
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Posted - 2017.05.11 04:40:47 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:I wonder, Syagrius. Does this also make the U-Nats terrorists for their orbital bombardment of a civilian population? Why yes, Ms. Priano it does if indeed they did. But forgive me. Given your kinGÇÖs loose association with the truth I think it as likely that said GÇÿorbital bombardmentGÇÖ was, wherever possible limited to valid military targets. The rest, being myth, propaganda, and lies.
I remember when you were a silver-tongued rogue who danced the razor's edge between lies and misinformation, a flashing rapier of wit and an ironic grin.
I don't know what that was supposed to be...
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1738
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Posted - 2017.05.11 05:31:43 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I remember when you were a silver-tongued rogue who danced the razor's edge between lies and misinformation, a flashing rapier of wit and an ironic grin.
I don't know what that was supposed to be... Oh, dear. I have disappointed you.
Knowing me as you once did, I think you understand exactly what 'that' was supposed to be.
Some, not meaning you specifically my once and would be friend, seem to be coming late to the understand that I no longer care if I am liked or respected by those who mean me or mine terminal intent.
Just as the State and its minions use peace as a weapon, so do they use 'our' expected impulse to be considered fair, just and well respected. No more.
Now, just to put a nail in it, by making the dumbest of blunders, an open boast from dear old James.
I have found the weak link, granted it took me long enough but in the end, it was laughably obvious. Yes, I have nibbled true, but now something different.
Wait and watch act and do, it wonGÇÖt matter. The scales will be balanced. But from now until then, perhaps silence will serve...
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3808
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:33:33 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Oh, dear. I have disappointed you. Not just him.
Quote:Now, just to put a nail in it, by making the dumbest of blunders, an open boast from dear old James.
I have found the weak link, granted it took me long enough but in the end, it was laughably obvious. Yes, I have nibbled true, but now something different.
Wait and watch act and do, it wonGÇÖt matter. The scales will be balanced. But from now until then, perhaps silence will serve... The idle threats thread is over there. Seriously. There is one, now. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
874
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:30:38 -
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And there the usual people fall for the bait, as expected, even when they're told that it is bait.
Even so, the article does have a point in a way despite being generally trash - that certain Caldari celebrate the intentional murder of millions of non-combatants as a heroic act beyond compare, having even based the Chimera on the Kairiola as a rather perverted memento, and personally, I find it disgusting. While I can understand why they think so highly of those who did such things, I don't approve of the cults built around them. Last I checked, most Gallente who aren't loudmouth nationalists (and capsuleers) aren't proud of the Caldari-Gallente war or events that lead up to it, but they just have to live with that stain on their collective history. On more recent issues, when the FNS Wandering Saint hit the Ishukone Headquarters, most Gallente were just as heartbroken and mortified as the Caldari were. They did not start celebrating in the streets, because in their hearts everyone must have known what could have followed after that, and, in fact later did.
I hope that the Caldari capsuleers I've had the displeasure to meet here are not representative of the whole of the State, just like I don't consider most Gallente capsuleers shining specimens of the Federation either. |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
189
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:01:33 -
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War is serious business you know, you have to kill people in the proper way. Tovil-Toba didn-¦t kill people the proper way. Tovil-Toba was a terrorist. Our killing is proper, can-¦t stand people that doesn-¦t kill like we kill
Nice article on the kill styles of the past. I-¦m sure there are a lot of new fascinating ways and whole different schools of killings today.
So Avant-garde. Looking foward for more examples on how to kill properly and a genealogy of the killing styles.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3535
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:30:54 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:War is serious business you know, you have to kill people in the proper way. Tovil-Toba didn-¦t kill people the proper way. Tovil-Toba was a terrorist. Our killing is proper, can-¦t stand people that doesn-¦t kill like we kill
Are you really daft enough that you don't understand the idea that humanity, with the notable exception of a few sects of barbarian savages, really does agree that indiscriminate bloodshed is bad, and civilians should be shielded from the worst aspects of violent conflict?
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
874
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:41:34 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:War is serious business you know, you have to kill people in the proper way. Tovil-Toba didn-¦t kill people the proper way. Tovil-Toba was a terrorist. Our killing is proper, can-¦t stand people that doesn-¦t kill like we kill
He did kill people the "proper way", but his very last act was that of (literally) unapologetic terrorism. Because that's what directing war against civilian targets is. The largest "victories" Caldari ever claimed were against unarmed civilians. And that is what almost every prominent Caldari capsuleer here loves to celebrate. I don't know many non-caldari civilians, since I rarely do business in their space so I do not know if they share this sentiment in a larger scale, but I hope not.
And despite all that, you know what the Gallente did? They blamed their own then-fascist government, not the Caldari. To me it speaks volumes that the Gallente at the time saw a terrible war crime against them and turned it into a source of change and fuel for a peace movement and displacing the U-Nats. Making something good out of something terrible is something I can respect and I wish others would too.
I've said it before, Gallente are far from perfect, but at least they have the tendency to own up to their mistakes, and even try to do better in the future, which is to me an example to follow for the rest of the three major powers. Instead the State, Empire and Republic love nothing more than to dwell on the past injustices, forever picking a festering wounds, never allowing them to heal.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
189
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:41:59 -
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Arrendis wrote:Are you really daft enough that you don't understand the idea that humanity, with the notable exception of a few sects of barbarian savages, really does agree that indiscriminate bloodshed is bad, and civilians should be shielded from the worst aspects of violent conflict?
Oh, it-¦s not about how, it-¦s about who gets killed? (What one word in the wrong place can-¦t do!) Sound a lot like ancient cultures that made live sacrifices of selected members of it-¦s population for ancient gods. Not that we do it now, we-¦re... what was the word? Civilized
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
874
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:46:31 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Oh, it-¦s not about how, it-¦s about who gets killed? (What one word in the wrong place can-¦t do!) Sound a lot like ancient cultures that made live sacrifices of selected members of it-¦s population for ancient gods. Not that we do it now, we-¦re... what was the word? Civilized
If I hadn't just made the point about dwelling on past injustices, I'd remind you that the Caldari beheaded people for not taking off their shoes in a temple somewhere around just 300 years ago. |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
189
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:54:29 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Oh, it-¦s not about how, it-¦s about who gets killed? (What one word in the wrong place can-¦t do!) Sound a lot like ancient cultures that made live sacrifices of selected members of it-¦s population for ancient gods. Not that we do it now, we-¦re... what was the word? Civilized
If I hadn't just made the point about dwelling on past injustices, I'd remind you that the Caldari beheaded people for not taking off their shoes in a temple somewhere around just 300 years ago.
Neither How nor Who, it-¦s about Why then?
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
875
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:06:16 -
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None of those, I made the mistake of giving attention to your deflection of the issue, since you have no actual way of twisting the issue to your personal benefit, that is your only recourse. |
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