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Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.26 03:30:53 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:CCP needs to get out of that rut, stop living in the past, embrace the future and change with the times.. They tried that and it resulted in the Summer of Rage. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3936
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Posted - 2017.04.26 05:24:21 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....
As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree. Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec. No you have to go to low/0.0 for that .....the sound of the footsteps of leaving people voting with their feet is not to ignore....sry that it will change your game and convinience..... Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.
The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
179
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Posted - 2017.04.26 06:53:32 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....
As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree. Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec. No you have to go to low/0.0 for that .....the sound of the footsteps of leaving people voting with their feet is not to ignore....sry that it will change your game and convinience..... Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions. The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false. You mind citing sources for your claims on that one? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3936
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Posted - 2017.04.26 06:58:29 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.
The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.
You mind citing sources for your claims on that one? Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
179
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Posted - 2017.04.26 07:09:12 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.
The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.
You mind citing sources for your claims on that one? Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y Interesting. I wish they broke it down by trial account too. This only examines the people that had already invested the money. What about those that hadn't? |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
423
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Posted - 2017.04.26 07:29:09 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:Highsec is more dangerous than nullsec Until you guys get bored and blues become your target. Ive seen that many many times of blue on blue violence.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3936
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:03:35 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Interesting. I wish they broke it down by trial account too. This only examines the people that had already invested the money. What about those that hadn't? The 80k players in the first part is about trials and if they are more likely to subscribe or not. At the end of that part he mentions briefly that <1% of sub cancellation mention ship loss as the reason, this concerns all subscribed players. So they indeed covered both trial and subscribed players.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:24:14 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....
As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree. Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec.
Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:27:28 -
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Kaeden 3142 wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....
As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree. Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec. Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me. Can I have your stuff? You can't take it to other games anyway
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Kaeden 3142
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:41:30 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Kaeden 3142 wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote: Should not happen to a paying customer who don't accepted pvp at least not in high....
As a paying customer I want to shoot people in Highsec, period... It has to be repeated over and over until CCP agre... Oh wait, they already agree. Maybe play some other game or don't undock if you are too bad for even Highsec. Not undocking a hauler is not really feasible is it and logistics is necessity. You're right; clearly CCP is accomodating your play style and it's not the game for me. Can I have your stuff? You can't take it to other games anyway
I will just sit on for awhile until I can aleast move in highsec with decent protection from g(w)ankers. |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:52:40 -
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Kaeden 3142 wrote:I will just sit on for awhile until I can aleast move in highsec with decent protection from g(w)ankers. People who are not incredibly bad at EVE never had an issue with that anyway.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61983
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Posted - 2017.04.26 08:57:40 -
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OMG, not this crap again. Swear you guys just keep beating on that dead horse.
That whole segment was presented way out of context. It was suppose to be a lead in for the new tutorial NPE (New Player Experience) yet CCP Rise decided to use it to validate Suicide Ganking.
Sure, they say 1% of account cancellations was due to ship loss and or harassment. But they failed to mention the total percentage amount of players that quit ? And out of that amount what was the percentage amount of players who actually completed CCP's little questionnaire ? Also what was the time span that statement is based upon ? Without those numbers given nobody can present an accurate estimation or comparison.
As for the 80,000 new players age 15 days old in that survey, 85.5% weren't killed, 13.5% were legally killed and 1% were ganked. Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. They even added a bunch of new systems to the list of 'Protected Newbie' starter systems because of that issue.
Man, talk about 'Smoke & Mirrors' ...........................
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1667
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:05:18 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. Incorrect as usual there DMC.
There is no ban on ganking new players. It is a ban on ganking in starter systems. As soon as a new player leaves the starter system and join the rest of us, they are perfectly fine to gank.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:23:58 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: Sorry, but you are simply wrong. CCP looked into this and found that people who get killed within their first days of playing EVE are more likely to stay than people who had no such interactions.
The myth that shooting spaceships in a game about shooting spaceships is hurting the game has long been debunked and shown to be false.
You mind citing sources for your claims on that one? Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y
Really?
An "all is right and all is well propaganda video as "proof" " ?
Really....
This is so transparent..... |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:34:38 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Really? An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ? Really.... This is so transparent..... I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"? Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right.
They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem.
Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Teros Hakomairos
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:38:18 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote:Really? An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ? Really.... This is so transparent..... I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"? Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right. They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem. Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie.
You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-)
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Liek DarZ
New Order Logistics CODE.
29
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:51:25 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:The leaving customers tell another story..... And your sources explaining that those people leaving due to ganking are.... which? I mean, noone ever heard of people leaving over boring PvE, insufficiently twitchy action, lack of meaningful first person control etc...
EVE is not for everybody. Claiming that EVE would be a better game w/o hisec ganking is dubious, claiming it would have more people w/o ganking lacks data.
Do not project from your own way of thought. And, maybe, read the New Pilot FAQ. You know, the thing stating what to expect from EVE.
Do you also run around as a medic in Battlefield and complain about being shot, as you "would prefer to focus on the healing part of the game, and not on the shooting parts"? Same for miners in EVE. One does not opt out of PVP here. Especially not when in space.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 09:58:30 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sure, they say 1% of account cancellations was due to ship loss and or harassment. But they failed to mention the total percentage amount of players that quit ? And out of that amount what was the percentage amount of players who actually completed CCP's little questionnaire ? Also what was the time span that statement is based upon ? Without those numbers given nobody can present an accurate estimation or comparison. People have the possibility to voice their reasons if they unsubscribe. Given that the amount of crying and pleading for more protection from the carebear community is a daily topic on the forums, why should we assume at all that they suddenly go silent if they "vote with their wallet" and can write to CCP directly?
Your problem with this study is that it does not fit your narrative. There is nothing CCP could have done differently to please people like you.
Even is only 1% of all players fill out that questionnaire, there is no reason to claim that the silent minority contains all the raging carebears who left because of ganks and wardecs. There is quite some reason however to believe that they are the ones crying to CCP at every opportunity.
DeMichael Crimson wrote: As for the 80,000 new players age 15 days old in that survey, 85.5% weren't killed, 13.5% were legally killed and 1% were ganked. Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. They even added a bunch of new systems to the list of 'Protected Newbie' starter systems because of that issue.
This is completely wrong. The only thing that is off-limits are the starter systems. New players are maybe on their first day in there. The reason why new players don't get ganked a lot is because they are usually not worth the effort. That does not prevent the carebear crowd from lying about how this is the main issue why new players quit, when it was already demonstrated that this is no issue at all.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:01:54 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-)
The leaving customers tell another story..... The story the leaving customers tell is one that does not involve issues with ship loss. Did you even watch the video?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1668
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Posted - 2017.04.26 10:11:36 -
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Teros Hakomairos wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Teros Hakomairos wrote:Really? An "all is right and all is well propaganda video from fanfest as "proof" " ? Really.... This is so transparent..... I mean what should they say? "we loose customers day by day but are not willing to do what the leaving costumers want us to do so we let them go"? Propaganda video? This is CCP trying to evaluate if there is actually a problem with people leaving because of ship loss to ganking or other means. And they did this because people like you cry on the forums all the time about it. This is about their business, they have all the motivation to get this right. They looked into it and found out that there is no such problem. Stop the act. You are crying on the forums because you want changes to EVE which will benefit you personally. To pretend that this is for the new players is a lie. You can all it as you like...it's still propaganda that all is well.....:-) The leaving customers tell another story..... What leaving customers?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61986
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Posted - 2017.04.26 11:46:52 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. Incorrect as usual there DMC. There is no ban on ganking new players. It is a ban on ganking in starter systems. As soon as a new player leaves the starter system and join the rest of us, they are perfectly fine to gank. OMG, do some research before you post again. Notice #3, #4 and #7
Quote:GM Homonoia posted on 2012-06-14 18:36:11 UTCOk, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible. 1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list. 3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way. 4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded.5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly. 6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias. 7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game.The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master When that and other warnings were posted in the forums, only 1 system in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc had been added to the list of 'Protected' Starter Systems and Career Agent Systems. Since then 10 more systems in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc have been added to that list and if the issue continues, even more systems will be added.
CCP's Official page about 'Rookie Griefing' :
Quote:Sisters of EVE Epic Arc
Given the variety of systems this arc can take place in, players are asked to refrain from any form of griefing to rookie players (30 days old or less) in mission sites and systems associated with the arc.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
61986
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Posted - 2017.04.26 12:17:45 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Sure, they say 1% of account cancellations was due to ship loss and or harassment. But they failed to mention the total percentage amount of players that quit ? And out of that amount what was the percentage amount of players who actually completed CCP's little questionnaire ? Also what was the time span that statement is based upon ? Without those numbers given nobody can present an accurate estimation or comparison. People have the possibility to voice their reasons if they unsubscribe. Given that the amount of crying and pleading for more protection from the carebear community is a daily topic on the forums, why should we assume at all that they suddenly go silent if they "vote with their wallet" and can write to CCP directly? Your problem with this study is that it does not fit your narrative. There is nothing CCP could have done differently to please people like you. Even is only 1% of all players fill out that questionnaire, there is no reason to claim that the silent minority contains all the raging carebears who left because of ganks and wardecs. There is quite some reason however to believe that they are the ones crying to CCP at every opportunity. More than likely most of the players that quit out of frustration didn't even bother responding to CCP's questionnaire. The problem I have with that study is how all the other percentage numbers needed to make an informed evaluation of the issue has been conveniently, maybe even intentionally, left out.
Ima Wreckyou wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: As for the 80,000 new players age 15 days old in that survey, 85.5% weren't killed, 13.5% were legally killed and 1% were ganked. Funny how he conveniently forgot to mention that most older players know that CCP Game Masters made it perfectly clear in these forums a few years ago not to mess around with New Players age 30 days or younger. They even added a bunch of new systems to the list of 'Protected Newbie' starter systems because of that issue.
This is completely wrong. The only thing that is off-limits are the starter systems. New players are maybe on their first day in there. The reason why new players don't get ganked a lot is because they are usually not worth the effort. That does not prevent the carebear crowd from lying about how this is the main issue why new players quit, when it was already demonstrated that this is no issue at all. I suggest you look at my reply to Shae Tadaruwa. Obviously there's a problem because now there's a total of 35 systems listed as "Protected" and if the issue continues, even more systems will be added.
Anyway, I never posted a statement saying I believe new players leave this game due to being Suicide Ganked, I only responded to the topic after you posted CCP Rise's propaganda BS trying to validate Suicide Ganking. However I do know quite a few older players who have left this game due to being Suicide Ganked.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15709
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Posted - 2017.04.26 12:39:29 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Anyway, I never posted a statement saying I believe new players leave this game due to being Suicide Ganked, I only responded to the topic after you posted CCP Rise's propaganda BS trying to validate Suicide Ganking. However I do know quite a few older players who have left this game due to being Suicide Ganked.
DMC
Isn't that typical. The efforts to study the issue by the company that makes the game (ie the people who have a REAL FINANCIAL STAKE in figuring out why people stop playing the game they make), told to us by an employee of the company whose salary depends on people paying for the game, is somehow "propaganda"...
..But "i know some dudes that quit because of suicide ganking" (aka "Anecdotal Evidence" aka "no evidence at all") is somehow more than enough proof that this poster needs.
It's literally a display of what's actually wrong with Humanity. People like this will ignore facts and evidence and instead see things the way they want to.
This is a fact: CCP Rise wrote:Quote:I still think the main thing that keeps pushing new bros away is the fact of the many many levels of griefing that you folks do allow.. but of course you wont nerf that cause that also would hurt someone else's game. perfect thinking here. We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed. The strongest indicators for a new player staying with EVE are associated with social activity: joining corps, using market and contract systems, pvping, etc. Isolating players away from the actual sandbox seems very contrary to what we would like to accomplish.
This is a direct refutation of the foolish idea that 'griefing' meaning suicide ganking and other things makes people leave. it's black and white.
And yet their dislike of a thing is so strong that an Old guy in robes with a long beard and a penchant for magically drowning ancient Egyptians could come off a mountain with stone tablets upon the which the words "Thou SHALL gank people, for that's how Thou keep people play EVE Online-ith" are seared into it and they still wouldn't believe it.
Well, people like this are going to have to dislike it. If CCP thought something was costing them money they'd have killed it a decade ago. Their internal metrics prove to them it's not, so it's all good. If one doesn't like it, one can go play any of the hundreds of carebear games that don't allow it. |
Carnivorous Swarm
New Eden Department of Sanitation
15
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Posted - 2017.04.26 12:58:26 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:When that and other warnings were posted in the forums, only 1 system in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc had been added to the list of 'Protected' Starter Systems and Career Agent Systems. Since then 10 more systems in the Level 1 SoE Epic Arc have been added to that list and if the issue continues, even more systems will be added. CCP's Official page about 'Rookie Griefing' : Quote:Sisters of EVE Epic Arc
Given the variety of systems this arc can take place in, players are asked to refrain from any form of griefing to rookie players (30 days old or less) in mission sites and systems associated with the arc.
I understand your sentiment here, but these rulings on the SOE arc were not in response to ganking.
People were mission invading (or getting fleet invites to "help"), trying to suspect bait new pilots, and were stealing/ransoming mission objectives. It was the same kind of griefing that was banned in the starter systems. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3937
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Posted - 2017.04.26 13:14:10 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:More than likely most of the players that quit out of frustration didn't even bother responding to CCP's questionnaire. The problem I have with that study is how all the other percentage numbers needed to make an informed evaluation of the issue has been conveniently, maybe even intentionally, left out. How is that more than likely? They voice their opinions daily on the forums. They seam to be very vocal, so to even suggest that this somehow completely changes when they quit the game and they have the opportunity to tell CCP why shows how biased or delusional you are.
To invoke the "silent minority" and pretend they somehow magically refute an argument is complete bs and has nothing to do with a honest discussion.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I suggest you look at my reply to Shae Tadaruwa. Obviously there's a problem because now there's a total of 35 systems listed as "Protected" and if the issue continues, even more systems will be added. You try really hard to make this look like there is actually an issue. The cited page clearly states this is inteded for new players in starter systems. Player older than 30 days in those starter systems are not protected. No players outside those systems are protected. Obviously the rule is to protect new players who are learning the basics and how to navigate around. It is not intended to protect you in your first 30 days while you can do whatever you want.
There is no reason to think that those 5 new systems are because of ganking. They most likely reason would be that they are related to the changes in the NPE.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Anyway, I never posted a statement saying I believe new players leave this game due to being Suicide Ganked, I only responded to the topic after you posted CCP Rise's propaganda BS trying to validate Suicide Ganking. However I do know quite a few older players who have left this game due to being Suicide Ganked.
No one tried to validate suicide ganking and it is not propaganda, but an attempt to check if the whole tears you people shed about players quitting because their space ship exploded is actually true. Turn out it was not and you are all just lying to change the game in your favour and not because of the new players or some poor vets who could not handle a ship loss.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2017.04.26 13:15:34 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:OMG, do some research before you post again. Notice #3, #4 and #7 It's a strange thing though. You read those guidelines, and remember 3, 4 and 7. I also read them, and can only recall 1 and 2.
Maybe we should have concentrated on the "will not be debated or further clarified" part instead. I'd even suspect being encouraged to use common sense, if it was common. :]
But still... "Hey, let's check the age of the pilot of the ship I caught before we shoot!" - said no gatecamper ever.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
15710
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Posted - 2017.04.26 13:32:12 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: Turn out it was not and you are all just lying to change the game in your favour and not because of the new players or some poor vets who could not handle a ship loss.
That's the heart of it all isn't it. Some people can't be objective, which means they can't see how something they don't like is beneficial and even necessary.
You know I'm not a fan of several things people do in game, like suicide ganking and cloaky camping just to name two. I get no joy from suicide ganking (that I've done exactly once because it was a corp activity one weekend) and I've never left a ship cloaked in someone elses system while I slept (not that it's not a legitimate tactic, i just can't be arsed lol).
But I get how those things are vital for the game. The cloaky camper is damping some of the raw isk and materials coming out of null (which is good for prices), as well as giving some of us something to fight/prepare against (this still works). I take PRIDE in my ability to keep on ratting with a cloaker in system, so what I had to reship and make lower ticks, I'm still making isk while that camper is powerless to stop me unless he wants to bring a blinged out ship with enough faction scrams to hold me down.
Likewise, the suicide gankers present that "unknown danger" in high sec that keeps smart people on their toes while punishing stupid people for being oblivious even though the game gives you copious tools to protect yourself. And getting suicide ganked can make someone angry, and anger is a great motivator in a game like this. ANY strong emotion ties a player more closely to the game.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2017.04.26 16:39:53 -
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Obligatory popcorn as the idiots come out of the woodwork.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Krin Dessat
Far Runner
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:31:08 -
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I once was ganked and lost a T1 Industrial and several hundred million ISK. At first I was upset, but shook it off because I came to realize it was my own fault.
It taught me a lesson, it made me look deeper into the game mechanics and what I could do to protect myself. It gave me something to do, something to strive for. So in reality, I am thankful to the gankers for motivating me to do better The ISK I lost has since been replaced (and then some)
I havent been ganked since. Doesn't mean it cant, or wont happen. But the chances of it happening are much lower now, since I don't fly around in a poorly tanked T1, with way too much cargo and without any intel
Asking for game changes isn't the way to go. Asking advice on protecting yourself however, is.
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Jenn aSide
Absolute Massive Destruction Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.04.26 17:34:58 -
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Krin Dessat wrote:I once was ganked and lost a T1 Industrial and several hundred million ISK. At first I was upset, but shook it off because I came to realize it was my own fault.
It taught me a lesson, it made me look deeper into the game mechanics and what I could do to protect myself. It gave me something to do, something to strive for. So in reality, I am thankful to the gankers for motivating me to do better The ISK I lost has since been replaced (and then some)
I havent been ganked since. Doesn't mean it cant, or wont happen. But the chances of it happening are much lower now, since I don't fly around in a poorly tanked T1, with way too much cargo and without any intel
Asking for game changes isn't the way to go. Asking advice on protecting yourself however, is.
You sir, must be lying. You cannot exist. An EVE player that takes responsibility for his choices, realizes his mistake like a grown ass man and takes it upon himself to improve and protect himself rather than deciding to run crying to the forums for mommy CCP to change the game to punish the nasty bad people?
Preposterous.
Next thing you'll tell me is that tooth fairies are real!
/sarcasm
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