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Silvery O'Mara
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:07:00 -
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About a week ago, while I was visiting an old friend of mine whoÆs working for Spacelane Patrol, I noticed some constant chattering in the local comms channels and decided to investigate.
Two individuals, Melarius Torvil and Uhaera Kuomai, both members of Brothers of Freedom announced themselves with this sentence:
Melarius Torvil > Greetings my brothers and sisters, the fortunate and free Caldari!
They then both promptly started throughly bashing the Caldari state and the mega-corporations for the decay and corruptness they perceive in them. They pointed to the hardships that the Caldari people endure at the hands of the elites and leaders as they profit from the whole system. A few of the locals affiliated with various mega-corporations were understandably stirred. One of them, Grendel Marqun, was especially sceptical as the two troublestarters were not offering any concrete reason to listen to them, or a viable alternative from the Caldari state they wanted to change. As the conversation drew on however, myself and other capsuleers were able to extract more information about their grievances and more importantly, their intentions.
They told us of the worsening working conditions of the general populace and the total indifference of the leadership that uses them to further their goals. Workers were told to just ôclean off the gore" from deceased co-workers that were crushed under a crane. Workers were also seen literally dying on the job from exaustion. Both Melarius and Uhaera seemed to have suffered from something but they would not tell us what happened to them.
Their goal was simply to inform the capsuleers that all is not well in their beloved State.
Uhaera Kuomai > Many capsuleers do not hear about the suffering of the workers. Spread the word.
*Silvery OÆMara tips his hat*
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.05.09 04:41:00 -
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Looks like some disgruntled employees want to air their dirty laundry, perhaps their ex-employers would do well to silence them.
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Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:16:00 -
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As is the case with every society, there are bound to be a few loose screws who, in wanting to become bigger cogs in the universe than they deserve to be, shroud themselves in righteousness and leap into martyrdom for some phantom cause.
... in a week, no one will remember their names.
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Father Abel - Lieutenant
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
"Private property makes a free man a free man." |
Irias Salo
Caldari
The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:26:00 -
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Nothing new then.
 Originally by: Ginger.
There is no roleplay, there is only EVE
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:36:00 -
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I'm glad you brought this story to GalNet, Mr. O'Mara. It seems that recently, more and more Caldari have realized the State is not what they may have previously seen it to be.
Though I have lived comfortably all my life (originally because I was born the daughter of an important scientist, and later because it was confirmed I had the correct antigen sequence necessary to become a PC pilot), I too know that the megacorporations often take their "assets," or wage workers, for granted. My own corporation was once loyal, and was exploited. We were made a meatshield, protecting controversial research that our parent company knew would have real political and ethical ramifications if attributed directly to them. I saw the violence that ensued first hand. I may be on my fourth clone, but I still have the scars, and they look no different now then they did six years ago.
When did profits take precedent over citizen welfare? ISK is a means to an end, the end being the welfare and protection of State citizens and the preservation of this good thing we had during and immediately after the War. I hate to sound a bit like a Patriot, but things must have been better back then. Why? Because we were family. We looked after each other's interests. When the word family escapes the mouths of the execs, it sounds hollow and entirely cynical, cashing in on the glory and prosperity of a forgotten past.
At least the Guristas are honest about their slightly twisted morality. That is why I felt compelled to fly with them for three months, and that is why I still have so much respect for them.
To change things for the better would be to massively overhaul some of the systems that are in place. Many high-level officers and CEOs would probably need to be ousted from power. It would take majority support of the Caldari populace to do this. It may even leave the State vulnerable for a time. My corporation knew it would not be able to instigate any kind of revolution (nor would we have the infinite patience required to pull such a thing off), so instead we live by our own rules out in null-sec space. There we live in a corporatist system where our employees are well taken care of and our leaders understand that all profit must see its way back to the corporation's employees in one form or another. They know what it means to be Caldari, or rather, they know much better. We may now be primarily self-concerned but we will not forget what we once were, and we will continue to be critical of the State and most specifically Ishukone for what has come to pass. What we have out on the frontier is a much more simplistic example of the past, but a functional one nevertheless.
Unfortunately, as I do see myself as a bit of a realist and perhaps even a pessimist, I don't believe we'll see any sweeping change in the State soon. The best Mr. Torvil and Mr. Kuomai can do is continue to tell their stories, same as we do, and get people thinking about where their loyalties lie; and whether the Caldari are traveling down a straight path or a hazardous one.
Learn what it means to be Caldari with Omerta Syndicate |
Sami Yahn'ko
Gallente
The Butterfly Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.05.09 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Father Abel
... in a week, no one will remember their names.
Do you not find it at all arrogant or presumptuous to speak on behalf of people who perhaps, aren't so eager to brush aside the obvious plight of others?
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Father Abel
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Father Abel on 09/05/2007 11:54:22
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Do you not find it at all arrogant or presumptuous to speak on behalf of people who perhaps, aren't so eager to brush aside the obvious plight of others?
Sure, I agree it is.
But not nearly as arrogant or presumptuous as a few average men raising a banner to topple a system on behalf of all others.
The movers of Caldari history have always been and should always be the elite.
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Father Abel - Lieutenant
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
"Private property makes a free man a free man." |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.09 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sami Yahn'ko
Originally by: Father Abel
... in a week, no one will remember their names.
Do you not find it at all arrogant or presumptuous to speak on behalf of people who perhaps, aren't so eager to brush aside the obvious plight of others?
Arrogant, presumptous and altogether surreal, since at the moment Fathel Abel and his corporation are a long way from the State fighting for Amarrian supremacy inside the Aegis Militia alliance in Mista. Still no surprise therefore he has little understanding of the cultural dynamics in his homeland ...
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.09 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Father Abel
The movers of Caldari history have always been and should always be the elite.
That would be understandable, were the people leading the State the right people in place. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The few people at the top of the pyramids are being held up by the creators, thinkers and righteous. The system is corrupt from the top down and now the sufferers are beginning to find a voice.
The Faith tells us that those with the will and right to lead will find themselves in the right position sometime. The State should not be another corrupt Empire, led by the corporate 'holders', but it has indeed become such.
This won't be a one off. Fatal and the Rabbit were the beginning and everyday, more are voicing their dissent.
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 14:57:00 -
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Somehow, the words of a Gurista sympathizer and acknowledged pirate, a paranoid, megalomanical anarchist, and a Blood Cultist Minmatar seem to me to be the last people that one would think have any idea what the State is about. No one has any delusions that any of you have any such compassion for the plight of the "common" people, the vast majority of the planetbound populations of any nation, and your only interest in this nonsense is to try and score points with your treacherous brethren.
Yes, the Caldari economy is currently experiencing a downturn. Yes, many people in the Caldari State, the vast majority those who have, by their own actions, chosen to leave mainstream society, live in poor conditions. However, this is the case in every nation. In the Federation, the numbers of desitute foreign workers is legion; in the Republic, the numbers of people living off the dole or struggling to survive to support the nation's insanely militarized economy is similarly high. The only difference is that in those nations, the government is held hostage by the panicky doomsayers and short-sighted populace, while in the State our government is able to take the long term view, with the knowledge that dips in the economy are part of a natural cycle, and the current situation is merely temporary.
These "Brothers of Freedom" are not trying to "save" the State, they are trying to doom it, with the same idiotic nonsense that has plagued every nation since the dawn of history. If they had any legitimate grievance, they are fully within their rights to bring it before the Tribunal. Why have they instead chosen to make baseless emotional appeals? The mere fact that they have not provided any proof and their examples are completely over the top in such a ludicrously unbelieveable fashion makes it more likely this is the product of delusion or a campaign of misinformation. If there are truly problems, they should be addressed, but in a rational, productive manner, not with bleeding-heart hysteria.
Considering the sheer number of these insane stories and smear campaigns, from the Kassigainen Incident to the cooked up nonsense from the Scope about starving creche children, I would not be surprised if this was perpetrated by Federation or Republic agents trying to destabilize the State in an exceedingly inept and hamhanded manner. If that is the case, they are showing their complete ignorance of Caldari culture with every attempt.
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CAPT Svetlana Scarlet
CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.05.09 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Silvery O'Mara
About a week ago, while I was visiting an old friend of mine whoÆs working for Spacelane Patrol, I noticed some constant chattering in the local comms channels and decided to investigate.
Two individuals, Melarius Torvil and Uhaera Kuomai, both members of Brothers of Freedom announced themselves with this sentence:
Melarius Torvil > Greetings my brothers and sisters, the fortunate and free Caldari!
They then both promptly started throughly bashing the Caldari state and the mega-corporations for the decay and corruptness they perceive in them. They pointed to the hardships that the Caldari people endure at the hands of the elites and leaders as they profit from the whole system. A few of the locals affiliated with various mega-corporations were understandably stirred. One of them, Grendel Marqun, was especially sceptical as the two troublestarters were not offering any concrete reason to listen to them, or a viable alternative from the Caldari state they wanted to change. As the conversation drew on however, myself and other capsuleers were able to extract more information about their grievances and more importantly, their intentions.
They told us of the worsening working conditions of the general populace and the total indifference of the leadership that uses them to further their goals. Workers were told to just ôclean off the gore" from deceased co-workers that were crushed under a crane. Workers were also seen literally dying on the job from exaustion. Both Melarius and Uhaera seemed to have suffered from something but they would not tell us what happened to them.
Their goal was simply to inform the capsuleers that all is not well in their beloved State.
Uhaera Kuomai > Many capsuleers do not hear about the suffering of the workers. Spread the word.
*Silvery OÆMara tips his hat*
It sounds like the State has fully embraced the Imperial concept of slavery. It's just that they added their own unique twist.
Soon the State will succumb and become the puppet of the Empire as it was meant to be.
Casserina
Sani Sabik Illuminati
From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Casserina Leshrac
It sounds like the State has fully embraced the Imperial concept of slavery. It's just that they added their own unique twist.
Soon the State will succumb and become the puppet of the Empire as it was meant to be.
You almost sound pro-slavery there.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.05.09 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Casserina Leshrac
It sounds like the State has fully embraced the Imperial concept of slavery. It's just that they added their own unique twist.
Soon the State will succumb and become the puppet of the Empire as it was meant to be.
You almost sound pro-slavery there.
Merely an observation Rodj. Don't get your hopes up. The Sani Sabik Alliance has done away with slavery and it is working out very well for us.
When our crews and servants have something to work and live for they do much better.
Casserina
Sani Sabik Illuminati
From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Hooch Flux
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.09 16:05:00 -
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My Father was a "lowly" tech in the Navy when I was growing up so I didn't have a privaleged upbringing like some within the State. When I was growing up all I could dream of was piloting a Navy Battleship into combat against our enemies, but as I got older and saw some of the things first hand that is being done in the State's name I had to ask some questions!
The so called "Elite's" that lead our State are not the "Elite's" of old with visions of moving our people on to prosperity but are Inbred idiots who got their position through nepotism. That is what is causing our problems, the people at the top are not the best but the worst "Social barnacles" ever. They will gladly let the people they have a responsibility too die to line thier own pockets "Not those of the State".
We need leaders of vision, ones who are shrewd at business and looking after the State and its people.
And before any of you complete nationalists jump in hear: Yes, the State should come first, but what is a State without a loyal population.
I love the State, it is my home, but sometimes a little change is a good thing. Or we end up stagnating.
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.05.09 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux
My Father was a "lowly" tech in the Navy when I was growing up so I didn't have a privaleged upbringing like some within the State. When I was growing up all I could dream of was piloting a Navy Battleship into combat against our enemies, but as I got older and saw some of the things first hand that is being done in the State's name I had to ask some questions!
The so called "Elite's" that lead our State are not the "Elite's" of old with visions of moving our people on to prosperity but are Inbred idiots who got their position through nepotism. That is what is causing our problems, the people at the top are not the best but the worst "Social barnacles" ever. They will gladly let the people they have a responsibility too die to line thier own pockets "Not those of the State".
We need leaders of vision, ones who are shrewd at business and looking after the State and its people.
And before any of you complete nationalists jump in hear: Yes, the State should come first, but what is a State without a loyal population.
I love the State, it is my home, but sometimes a little change is a good thing. Or we end up stagnating.
Again another similarity to the Amarr Empire. Especially under the stagnation of Imperial Law and Culture.
This would be a good time for the masses to get on board and take control of their State before it is really a puppet state of the Empire, or worse.
Casserina
Sani Sabik Illuminati
From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:44:00 -
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Like Dr. Salo said, nothing new.
Nothing new since Dr. Hnolku was hunted to death. Nothing new since the massacre in Kassigainen. The megacorps want to treat their workers like slaves. I hope they wake up and see what they are doing to the Caldari people.
We Caldari had to fight to leave the Federation and get our freedom. Why is it the megacorps think they own us all? Why can't we Caldari have freedom in the Caldari State?
Something's got to give.
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Casserina Leshrac
Again another similarity to the Amarr Empire. Especially under the stagnation of Imperial Law and Culture.
This would be a good time for the masses to get on board and take control of their State before it is really a puppet state of the Empire, or worse.
All i'm saying is...our system of economic government has been taken over by a few families who refuse to accept their offspring are not up to the challenges of our society and are keeping good people from obtaining position where they could benefit the State and squandering their lives away to line there own pockets. We need a way of starting out everyone on an even footing and then let their natural talents and strengths to come through "encouraged by the Corps and State".
How many of our people are being put down when they could contribute to the advancement of the State. How many are punished because of circumstance and are having their abilities wasted because someone at the top wants to keep their family at the top at the expence of the State.
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
Only way to be sure! |
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Casserina Leshrac
Again another similarity to the Amarr Empire. Especially under the stagnation of Imperial Law and Culture.
This would be a good time for the masses to get on board and take control of their State before it is really a puppet state of the Empire, or worse.
You don't know what you're talking about. Stay out of Caldari business, you cheap propagandist.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:53:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 09/05/2007 17:50:18
Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet
Somehow, the words of a Gurista sympathizer and acknowledged pirate, a paranoid, megalomanical anarchist, and a Blood Cultist Minmatar seem to me to be the last people that one would think have any idea what the State is about. No one has any delusions that any of you have any such compassion for the plight of the "common" people, the vast majority of the planetbound populations of any nation, and your only interest in this nonsense is to try and score points with your treacherous brethren.
As a former "common" Caldari, I do hope that what I'm about to say meets with somewhat less of an ad hominen attack. Yes, it is true that I have commited my share of unsavory acts, none should deny my abiding faith in the strength of the Caldari people.
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Yes, the Caldari economy is currently experiencing a downturn. Yes, many people in the Caldari State, the vast majority those who have, by their own actions, chosen to leave mainstream society, live in poor conditions. However, this is the case in every nation. In the Federation, the numbers of desitute foreign workers is legion; in the Republic, the numbers of people living off the dole or struggling to survive to support the nation's insanely militarized economy is similarly high. The only difference is that in those nations, the government is held hostage by the panicky doomsayers and short-sighted populace, while in the State our government is able to take the long term view, with the knowledge that dips in the economy are part of a natural cycle, and the current situation is merely temporary.
I agree with this assessment. The Caldari megacorps have made some intelligent decisions during the recession, with some notable exceptions. However, it is these notable exceptions that have prompted the recent dissent, and rightly so.
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These "Brothers of Freedom" are not trying to "save" the State, they are trying to doom it, with the same idiotic nonsense that has plagued every nation since the dawn of history. If they had any legitimate grievance, they are fully within their rights to bring it before the Tribunal. Why have they instead chosen to make baseless emotional appeals? The mere fact that they have not provided any proof and their examples are completely over the top in such a ludicrously unbelieveable fashion makes it more likely this is the product of delusion or a campaign of misinformation. If there are truly problems, they should be addressed, but in a rational, productive manner, not with bleeding-heart hysteria.
Here is where you and I disagree. The Caldari people are descended from dissidents and rebels. If this were not the case, we would still be good citizens of the Federation. To ask that our people quash their tradition of calling out their leaders just because those leaders happen to be Caldari is hopeless. Dissent is healthy. The people will decide whether or not these "Brothers of Freedom" make good points. In all likelihood, the consensus will be that they are far too radical to be taken very seriously, but their presence may make more conservative arguments seem all the more reasonable.
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Considering the sheer number of these insane stories and smear campaigns, from the Kassigainen Incident to the cooked up nonsense from the Scope about starving creche children, I would not be surprised if this was perpetrated by Federation or Republic agents trying to destabilize the State in an exceedingly inept and hamhanded manner. If that is the case, they are showing their complete ignorance of Caldari culture with every attempt.
You should be worldly enough to know that when this many "insane stories" and "smear campaigns" are gaining traction, something is going wrong within the State. Do not be so blinded by your patriotism to forget that wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. Lies and deception do not serve our people.
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:53:00 -
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Casserina, you're deluded. The hardships felt by the Caldari people, very akin to slavery, is in no way similar to that of Amarrian slavery (or what Amarrian slavery should be).
Slavery within the Empire was brought about for one purpose, to bring those not of the Amarrian faith into the folds of our society, and give them a chance at redemption within the eyes of "God".
This is undoubtably different than that of the plight of the Caldari people, though it seems as of late, many Amarrian slave holders have fallen prey to the almighty isk, and have swayed from the original intent of slavery within the Empire.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:38:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness
Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 09/05/2007 18:07:10
Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 09/05/2007 18:06:19
Casserina, you're deluded. The hardships felt by the Caldari people, very akin to slavery, is in no way similar to that of Amarrian slavery (or what Amarrian slavery should be).
Slavery within the Empire was brought about for one purpose, to bring those not of the Amarrian faith into the folds of our society, and give them a chance at redemption within the eyes of "God".
This is undoubtably different than that of the plight of the Caldari people, though it seems as of late, many Amarrian slave holders have fallen prey to the almighty isk, and have swayed from the original intent of slavery within the Empire.
Also, your view of the Caldari spirit is abysmal. I have known very few Caldari within my lifetime, though through reading the history of their people, and seeing the many postings of its citizens, I can guarantee you they wouldn't let becoming a "puppet" to anyone go over easily. If this was the case they'd still be a part of the "imperialist guise" that is the Federation.
You forget Tenebrion I am an Amarr and a former holder of slaves. I suggest that you do not try to split hairs with me in this subject. Slavery is merely a way of denying others the right to make their own decisions in there lives.
No Caldari wishes to be a servant to an Elitist. Anymore than the Minmatar wishes to a slave to the Imperial Holder.
With so many of the Caldari masses working in such conditions, they have denied to make their own paths. More than likely the Elitists have many of these individuals enslaved to them through Caldari legal trickery and indentured servitude.
By hiding behind law, the Caldari Elitist have effectively legalized slavery as in the Amarr Empire.
Casserina
Sani Sabik Illuminati
From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
As a former "common" Caldari, I do hope that what I'm about to say meets with somewhat less of an ad hominen attack. Yes, it is true that I have commited my share of unsavory acts, none should deny my abiding faith in the strength of the Caldari people.
Your "faith" in the Caldari people? Is that why you were a member of an anarchist terrorist group that advocates the dismantling of the State (as well as any other organized government)? Please. It takes more than blood to be Caldari. You have no idea what it is to serve the good of the people you claim to have so much "faith" in.
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
\The Caldari people are descended from dissidents and rebels. If this were not the case, we would still be good citizens of the Federation. To ask that our people quash their tradition of calling out their leaders just because those leaders happen to be Caldari is hopeless. Dissent is healthy. The people will decide whether or not these "Brothers of Freedom" make good points. In all likelihood, the consensus will be that they are far too radical to be taken very seriously, but their presence may make more conservative arguments seem all the more reasonable.
You have obviously forgotten anything you ever knew about Caldari history, it seems. The Caldari people are descended from those who banded together for their own greater good, and realized the insignificance of one person's loss in the grand scheme of things. The Caldari people have done their best when united, as a single unit against all others -- hysterical screaming and ludicrous accusations do nothing to help improve the whole. A reasoned approach to addressing the problems that exist -- which no one denies exist -- is important to finding a permanent solution.
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
You should be worldly enough to know that when this many "insane stories" and "smear campaigns" are gaining traction, something is going wrong within the State. Do not be so blinded by your patriotism to forget that wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. Lies and deception do not serve our people.
What "traction" are you talking about? Play in the Scope of all places? Two or three malcontents screaming at the top of their lungs? The only thing that is going on here is a few people making mountains out of molehills for their own gain. If this was truly as nefarious as it was made out to be, why aren't the competitors of the supposed perpetrators of these hilariously over-the-top "atrocities" reporting it in their respective media outlets? The megacorporations have never had problems with pointing out each others flaws before. Are you suggesting they have suddenly grown timid?
Do not presume to tell me what serves our people, when I have spent my life doing so and you have sought to destroy all that we have built.
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CAPT Svetlana Scarlet
CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:10:00 -
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And you fail to realize that all forms of slavery are not the same. Those of the Amarrian faith accept themselves as slaves to the will of "God". Those living within the Empire's embrace, not of the faith, are supposed to be being led by their holders towards salvation and redemption within the eyes of the lord.
You and those of your alliance are also slaves, slaves to Revan's will and that of Bloodveil's "religion", no matter how much you protest the Self. Your own philosophy is that of the strong are meant to lead (I assume you're deluded enough to think you are worthy to dictate who is strong and weak) while all others are weak and should follow or be eliminated. This in itself is a slave master dynamic (let alone tyrannical).
Than there are those that become slaves to the lure of isk, forsaking everything for a quick buck, for which your "illustrious sovereign" is known for utilizing towards her benefit. It is this last form of slavery that has permeated and corrupted every society within the cluster, and is the most harmful to all its citizens.
And as for forgetting you're an Amarrian, far from it. I have read your bio, most of wich I find highly suspect, and watched your "fall" from a respectable citizen of the Empire, though I highly doubt this was the case seeing as how you never worked for the Empire since becoming a pod pilot, into the "madness" Revan has created to feel important.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:36:00 -
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Svetlana, how nice of you to reply.
You would have made a strong argument for careful, reasoned approach had it not been so obvious that you've been brainwashed by the system. In reality, you hardly question. Instead, you label us mad opportunists, shrug objective news reports off as propaganda, and suggest any grievances go through the Tribunal, a laughable bureaucracy you very well know doesn't give one lick about the plight of the working class.
As for corporations not pointing out their competitor's flaws, I can only assume it's because deplorable worker conditions have become the norm. What do I know though? I've been living outside the State for an entire year.
People get a bit crazy when no one listens to them, Svetlana. That's why there's so much emotion involved. A child is more likely to grow up to be something terrible if they have incompetent parents who ignore their needs or abuse their offspring. I do not delude myself into believing that I'm a good person, but I also know external circumstances and not always personal choice made me the way I am. That's why people should listen to outlaws and the rest of my "treacherous brethren."
I would invite you to Delve so you could see for yourself this good thing Omerta has created. Unfortunately the urge to rip your ship from under you and send you back to the cloning bay would be too great, so for your sake I won't be doing that.
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Caldari
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:44:00 -
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I feel for what they have lost, nor do I believe the State is perfect, but it is the best we have. They should work within the system to make it better.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 09/05/2007 21:18:45
Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet
Your "faith" in the Caldari people? Is that why you were a member of an anarchist terrorist group that advocates the dismantling of the State (as well as any other organized government)? Please. It takes more than blood to be Caldari. You have no idea what it is to serve the good of the people you claim to have so much "faith" in.
I was not a member of Star Fraction during their Kimotoro campaign. I am not a member now. In fact, I have never crossed swords with your people, or any Caldari loyalist organization. Perhaps you should have considered this before launching the predictable personal attack. And I did not claim to support the State, only its people.
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You have obviously forgotten anything you ever knew about Caldari history, it seems. The Caldari people are descended from those who banded together for their own greater good, and realized the insignificance of one person's loss in the grand scheme of things. The Caldari people have done their best when united, as a single unit against all others -- hysterical screaming and ludicrous accusations do nothing to help improve the whole. A reasoned approach to addressing the problems that exist -- which no one denies exist -- is important to finding a permanent solution.
I've lived just a bit longer than most, and it is from that perspective that I make my statement. Whatever we are now, we owe to dissent.
And of course we do our best work when we're united. However, that doesn't preclude dissent. It might be a bit unfortunate that the recent problems have been made so public, but it's even more unfortunate that the megacorps are so reluctant to address the worker's grievances.
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What "traction" are you talking about? Play in the Scope of all places? Two or three malcontents screaming at the top of their lungs? The only thing that is going on here is a few people making mountains out of molehills for their own gain. If this was truly as nefarious as it was made out to be, why aren't the competitors of the supposed perpetrators of these hilariously over-the-top "atrocities" reporting it in their respective media outlets? The megacorporations have never had problems with pointing out each others flaws before. Are you suggesting they have suddenly grown timid?
Why would the megacorporations condemn those who cut corners, when it's so much easier to simply emulate them for the sake of competitiveness? The ideal Megacorporation is supposed to look out for the workers, and in return, the workers do their best work for the good of the Corporation. When times are good, everyone benefits. However, when profits are down, the corporation is supposed to suck it up, take care of its people and prepare for better times. Workers are asked to make sacrifices for the good of the Corporation, but the Corporation makes sacrifices, too.
But when the Corporation is more concerned with profits than with its people, the system starts to degrade. When the sacrifices start to pile up and even the State is reluctant to put the good of the people above the good of the Corporations, what would you have our workers do? Pretend that things are fine? Tough it out? Trust that the CEOs will make it better? Do you honestly think that they haven't already tried that? Do you really believe that the workers of Kassigainen rioted the first time that they were asked to make sacrifices? The second? The tenth? And don't say that it was an isolated incident. It was a symptom of a disease. The disease is Greed, and it threatens to eat the State from within.
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Do not presume to tell me what serves our people, when I have spent my life doing so and you have sought to destroy all that we have built.
You've only ever known what the State is now. I was serving our people before the State was the State. (Feel free to cue the 'crazy old man' response. I've heard it before.)
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Hooch Flux
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Hooch Flux on 10/05/2007 08:15:03
Edited by: Hooch Flux on 10/05/2007 08:13:43
My understanding has always been that while it is everyone's responsibility to support the State, it is also the responsibility of the State to look after its citizens. This has clearly not been happening and I believe this is down to the "Elites" at the top not being concerned about the State. I have already stated the reasons for this earlier, our society had become decadent at the top which has seperated and lost touch with the Employees and people of the State.
Its easy for us Spacers to seperate ourselves from the decisions made planet side, but we have a responsibility to look after the people down there just through the fact of our existance. We are special, not everyone has the options that we do! Is it there fault that they dont have the right makeup to join us in the stars?
We have a responsibility to the State to say when things are going wrong and to make sure that the "Powers that be" know that we are not happy with recent events invovlving our own people.
Vigalence is allways needed over government, or we get stagnation, Don't let this happen!
I am not calling for a revolution, we have a working system, we have just let our guard down and now need to investigate the situation! A managment shakeup may be in order.
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Caldari
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux
I am not calling for a revolution, we have a working system, we have just let our guard down and now need to investigate the situation! A managment shakeup may be in order.
Agreed. Let us allow the System to work and for the CBT and the other megacorps to remove whatever problems one or two megacorps are causing.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.05.10 16:40:00 -
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Thanks for your opinion, Svetlana. I'll remember that when I need to look up the opinions of a slave working for Aegis Militia, a well known Amarr loyalist paramilitary organisation and a personal enemy of mine (Heyla Graelyn, give me a bell sometime hun).
I only offer my opinion as an outsider. As many probably know, I'm not much loved by the State. But to be honest, I don't give a Holders-arse what the State thinks of me.
What I do worry about is that the Empire has gained another puppet state, that has been exposed for selling its people into slavery, opposing the freedom of thought and expression, and supporting the most backwards and de-evolved race of people to have ever subjugated others - the Amarr Empire.
I understand my opinion is biassed, but nobody ever said opinions would be objective. I expect your Amarr masters impose a form of bias in your own outsider-opinions. However, the State is no longer doing the right job. The State was supposed to support the civilians and innocents of the Caldari people and prevent them ever from being subjugated to Gallente law or any law again.
However, the State is dominated by the Megacorporations, who care only for profit. They sell their people into slavery for the ultimate profit. They support the Empire so long as it profits them. Now the Caldari citizens have lost their rights. The Megacorporations have become led by the fat-cats with no more right to their position as they have to sell their people into slavery in the Empire.
The State has lost its way. It is nothing more now than an illusion, much like the Amarr faith, the 'Republic' and the Gallente media that placate their people. Worse than this, their pod-pilot vocal supporters now operate for the Amarr.
I hope I've illuminated you and anybody else who considers the words of any other outsider like yourself. For convenience, I emphasised the important parts where needed.
Have a good day, citizen...
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.10 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Thanks for your opinion, Svetlana. I'll remember that when I need to look up the opinions of a slave working for Aegis Militia, a well known Amarr loyalist paramilitary organisation and a personal enemy of mine (Heyla Graelyn, give me a bell sometime hun).
Quite a penetrating point that. And yes, it surely does call into question the personal affiliations of Svetlana - can one serve two masters and remain loyal to any concept of a State?
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