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guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.25 07:17:22 -
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I propose to implement a "cloak fatigue" to prevent a player from cloaking a ship in 10 systems until someone finally undocks a caps and hotdrop it.
reason : CCP wanted to remove deep safes to avoid this behaviour. This is lame non-game because the cloaky tengu has nothing to fear.
Goal : make cloaky hot drop less of a "let's wait 7 days untill someone gets used to us and finally comes undocks"
so, for this we need to make sure being cloaked in a system does not BOTH prevent you from being killed and allow yo to get kills. several ideas, each is enough on its own :
1. target and cyno delay increase
Whenever you cloak, you get the usual target reactivation delay and if you fit a cyno, a 5s cloak delay. The cyno reactivation delay doubles every X minute while cloaked (eg 10minute), and only decreases as you remain in game and not cloaked. It's maxed out at one day.
2. cloaky sig visible
I prefer this one.
The cloaked ship signature is still visbile on the combat probes BUT it's divided by a factor, this factor reduces with fatigue (time cloaked). So a T1 probe could warp on him if he waits for too long. of course the fatigue would decrease at the same rate while uncloaked it increases while cloaked.
so let's say the base factor is 10. you start cloaked with a sig/10. your fatigue gain is 1/min, and say you get full fatigue after an hour : your effective sig radius is thus base_radius *(1/10+ fatigue *9/10 /60)
Basically, if you spend X time cloaked, you need to spend X time uncloaked.
3. remove cloak
Just kidding guys, no hate.
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Marika Sunji
Dark-Rising Wrecking Machine.
11
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Posted - 2017.04.25 07:57:42 -
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Idea #2 was hashed in and out so much that the glue from the horse has long since dried up. Idea #1 is more sneaky but hugely nerfs ATK cloaks, removes all chance of non-trap-ship hotdrops and pretty much invalidates the blops ship line in one fell swoop.
TL;DR: FC, Carrier ratting too difficult and neutrals in local scare me. CCPls remove all threat of hotdrop, kthxbye.
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
298
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:16:10 -
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How does one cloak his ship in ten systems? How does one get kills while cloaked? Shouldn't this be in the AFK cloak thread? |
guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:19:39 -
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Marika Sunji wrote:Idea #2 was hashed in and out so much that the glue from the horse has long since dried up. Idea #1 is more sneaky but hugely nerfs ATK cloaks, removes all chance of non-trap-ship hotdrops and pretty much invalidates the blops ship line in one fell swoop.
TL;DR: FC, Carrier ratting too difficult and neutrals in local scare me. CCPls remove all threat of hotdrop, kthxbye.
I don't have a carrier. Don't make assumption on people. Don't make sarcasm on a discussion with adults. Don't be a douche.
reported for aggressivity.
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Shouldn't this be in the AFK cloak thread?
I didn't know there was such a thread. I guess you can request a move | merge .
for cloak in ten systems : you need ten accounts. Does not need much game time to do it once placed. |
Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions Hole Control
435
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:32:36 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Marika Sunji wrote:Idea #2 was hashed in and out so much that the glue from the horse has long since dried up. Idea #1 is more sneaky but hugely nerfs ATK cloaks, removes all chance of non-trap-ship hotdrops and pretty much invalidates the blops ship line in one fell swoop.
TL;DR: FC, Carrier ratting too difficult and neutrals in local scare me. CCPls remove all threat of hotdrop, kthxbye.
I don't have a carrier. Don't make assumption on people. Don't say what is general opinion without a link to back your opinion. Don't make sarcasm on a discussion with adults. Don't be a douche. reported for aggressivity. Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Shouldn't this be in the AFK cloak thread? I didn't know there was such a thread. I guess you can request a move | merge . for cloak in ten systems : you need ten accounts. Does not need much game time to do it once placed.
You call others out for having no proof, yet I cannot see anything beyond your opinions posted here. The thread title says one thing, then you shoot your own idea down and propose another one, which has been talked to death.
Wormholer for life.
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guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:33:57 -
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Wander Prian wrote:guigui lechat wrote:Marika Sunji wrote:Idea #2 was hashed in and out so much that the glue from the horse has long since dried up. Idea #1 is more sneaky but hugely nerfs ATK cloaks, removes all chance of non-trap-ship hotdrops and pretty much invalidates the blops ship line in one fell swoop.
TL;DR: FC, Carrier ratting too difficult and neutrals in local scare me. CCPls remove all threat of hotdrop, kthxbye.
I don't have a carrier. Don't make assumption on people. Don't say what is general opinion without a link to back your opinion. Don't make sarcasm on a discussion with adults. Don't be a douche. reported for aggressivity. Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Shouldn't this be in the AFK cloak thread? I didn't know there was such a thread. I guess you can request a move | merge . for cloak in ten systems : you need ten accounts. Does not need much game time to do it once placed. You call others out for having no proof, yet I cannot see anything beyond your opinions posted here. The thread title says one thing, then you shoot your own idea down and propose another one, which has been talked to death.
you misread me, I didn't request any proof. |
Marika Sunji
Dark-Rising Wrecking Machine.
11
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Posted - 2017.04.25 08:40:14 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Marika Sunji wrote:Idea #2 was hashed in and out so much that the glue from the horse has long since dried up. Idea #1 is more sneaky but hugely nerfs ATK cloaks, removes all chance of non-trap-ship hotdrops and pretty much invalidates the blops ship line in one fell swoop.
TL;DR: FC, Carrier ratting too difficult and neutrals in local scare me. CCPls remove all threat of hotdrop, kthxbye.
I don't have a carrier. Don't make assumption on people. Don't say what is general opinion without a link to back your opinion. Don't make sarcasm on a discussion with adults. Don't be a douche.
Wait, wait, wait, so instead of attacking, I dunno, my points, you know, the parts that attack the merits of your proposal, you go after me for 'sarcastic tone.' Well, if that really is your best argument then I guess I really don't need to keep replying, the idea will die by itself. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1312
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Posted - 2017.04.25 09:07:55 -
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Posting in a whiny afk cloaking thread
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2017.04.25 09:23:31 -
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Marika Sunji wrote: Wait, wait, wait, so instead of attacking, I dunno, my points, you know, the parts that attack the merits of your proposal, you go after me for 'sarcastic tone.' Well, if that really is your best argument then I guess I really don't need to keep replying, the idea will die by itself.
Because you make sarcasm, thus no point. Make sarcasm OR make constructive comment, you make your choice. If you want me to attack your point (if I ever see a reason to do so), don't add useless sarcasm|aggressivity in them. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.04.25 09:43:19 -
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Why do you feel that you are a special snowflake that deserves their own cloaking thread instead of following the request of CCP to post in the stickied threadnaught right in this forum? |
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1317
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Posted - 2017.04.25 09:47:42 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Marika Sunji wrote: Wait, wait, wait, so instead of attacking, I dunno, my points, you know, the parts that attack the merits of your proposal, you go after me for 'sarcastic tone.' Well, if that really is your best argument then I guess I really don't need to keep replying, the idea will die by itself.
Because you make sarcasm, thus no point. Make sarcasm OR make constructive comment, you make your choice. If you want me to attack your point (if I ever see a reason to do so), don't add useless sarcasm|aggressivity in them. Marika actually went out of her way to give you constructive criticism to your joke of an idea, but you're just another whiny nullbear that wants to rat in perfect safety and doesn't understand cloaky gameplay at all and thus all you can come up with is a whiny response.
HTFU or play another game. As to your viewpoint on the matter: http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/eXM0d1.jpg
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
354
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Posted - 2017.04.25 09:53:20 -
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HAY GUYS NULLSEC ISN'T 100% SAFE REMOVE RISK AND MAKE IT SO NOTHING CAN KILL MY RATTING CARRIER.
I mean, FFS, you're sincerely talking about a delay of a full day between decloaking and activating a cyno, with any ship that stays cloaked long enough to do any kind of hunting or waiting for a target quickly building up enough of a delay that activating a cyno becomes effectively impossible. |
guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2017.04.25 10:35:48 -
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Once more, I have no carrier.
stop making sarcasm , stop making assumptions,you should not be proud of showing your stupidity in public.
BTW if you make sarcasm I consider you are mentally challenged and can't explain your point without violence. Thus I don't need to even try to understand it, because let the rage trolls troll.
keep raging more. If you have an idea one day, we can discuss. Meanwhile you are worthly dogs barking.
edit : I know now that there already IS a thread, I should have posted in it. Funny thing those dogs rage for something everybody but them consider to be a problem. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
354
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Posted - 2017.04.25 10:43:02 -
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2/10 troll. Started out reasonably well, but you need to be more subtle if you want to keep your trolling going for more than a page. |
guigui lechat
Perkone Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2017.04.25 10:46:59 -
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it started well untill you posted your non-sense. Guess what ? posting non-sense doesnot make other posters ideas senseless. Only yours.
I can't imagine how your parents failed you so much. They forgot to slap you once you were too much of a douche. Alcohol ravages GǪ |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1759
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Posted - 2017.04.25 12:06:12 -
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Quote: 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Please use our handy dandy AFK cloaking thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=397030&find=unread
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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