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Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
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Posted - 2017.04.28 05:25:35 -
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For the past 3 years (for the most part) gal/min have totally dominated amarr/caldari in faction warfare; it is getting to the point now where it is incredibly STUPID to even join calmil as you get -50% loyalty point gains, while galmil gets +75%.
I cannot join galmil as it would ruin my standings in space that I need jump clones.
Is everyone really OK with it being this 1-sided? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
899
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Posted - 2017.04.28 05:41:03 -
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what's wrong with you? you don't like the situation?
fight to change it. pretty simple. |
Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2017.04.28 05:42:26 -
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Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system. |
Desmios Sanguis
Tax-Free Foundation
11
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Posted - 2017.04.28 05:51:32 -
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Soel Reit wrote:what's wrong with you? you don't like the situation?
fight to change it. pretty simple.
I'm assuming the first part is sarcastic.
Also, I have been fighting for 2-3 years to change it, guess how much progress we have made? we got to 0% once!!! |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
899
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Posted - 2017.04.28 06:01:19 -
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not my fault others put more effort than you losing is also part of the game :thinking: |
Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
49
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Posted - 2017.04.28 06:10:22 -
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I had an old alt in fac war, and I kind of predicted this happening due to "racial stereotypes" so to speak. Gallente are all "yay freedom!" and Minmatar are all "swag n' hip hop". Amarr and Caldari on the other hand are all "fundie god-botherers" and "soulless super-corporation" so they just won't get any traction with today's ultra cool "don't tell me what to do" crowd player-wise or whatever.
I'd love to see the in-game player/race stats actually.
µ¡úsï¥sÉ+sï¥
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2017.04.28 06:53:24 -
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Cybertherion wrote:
I'd love to see the in-game player/race stats actually.
Well, they are not exactly very hard to get. Ask anyone in a FW militia to access the FW window:
I have done it for you, sry about the format (28-04-2017 06:46)
Statistics, Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr, Gallente, Kills In the Last Week, 2.204, 779, 1.052, 2.455 Kills Total, 0,67M, 0,53M, 0,55M, 0,81M Kills Yesterday, 239, 96, 158, 232 Pilots, 28,69K, 18,27K, 16,98K, 27,61K Systems Controlled, 32, 49, 21, 69 Victory Points Last Week, 0,14M, 0,11M, 93,86K, 0,15M Victory Points Total, 51,42M, 30,67M, 30,63M, 49,32M Victory Points Yesterday, 16,96K, 11,96K, 13,40K, 20,28K
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2017.04.28 07:05:58 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:For the past 3 years (for the most part) gal/min have totally dominated amarr/caldari in faction warfare; it is getting to the point now where it is incredibly STUPID to even join calmil as you get -50% loyalty point gains, while galmil gets +75%.
I cannot join galmil as it would ruin my standings in space that I need jump clones.
Is everyone really OK with it being this 1-sided? Caldari did just ROFL stomp Galmil in the beginning of this year (took fortess vlil, Eha and Nenn. that is quite an accomplishment), and was in T3 IIRC? It is not one sided and if you look at the statistics I posted, besides the number of systems taken, Cal and Gal look pretty equal.
What i actually think will be happening in the future with alphas and citadels, where controlling systems has no strategic value anymore, is that we will see a switch towards more farming. I.e. an uncoupling of farming and fghthing in fw systems, due to citadels as homesystems. The warzone will be plexed in one direction by people farming with alphas, and then when the LP market inflate they farm the other side with free alphas. Calmil LPs took a hit, now gallente is hot. I think we wil see a shift to Calmil framing activity soon. This is ofc. only my opinion, supported by my own observations only. View them in this light
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1487
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Posted - 2017.04.28 07:40:40 -
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Ive seen so many swings back and forth in FW and Sero has it pretty much right. In the early days T4 and T5 were common to swing to, especially minnies. Then itd get farmed back and forth quite a bit. Now you will often see two opposing farmer alts farming in a system keeping the index high but stable and then pushing for greater swings as cash out or real farming opportunities.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1845
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Posted - 2017.04.28 07:43:08 -
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sero Hita wrote: The warzone will be plexed in one direction by people farming with alphas, and then when the LP market inflate they farm the other side with free alphas. Calmil LPs took a hit, now gallente is hot. I think we wil see a shift to Calmil framing activity soon. This is ofc. only my opinion, supported by my own observations only. View them in this light
This. Farming and the market in faction shinies are the determining factors here.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
51
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Posted - 2017.04.28 07:52:07 -
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sero Hita wrote:Well, they are not exactly very hard to get. Ask anyone in a FW militia to access the FW window:
Thanks for that, but I'm AFK playing while I wait for a better comp. I was however meaning "in general", as in how many players are what in-game race.
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
299
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Posted - 2017.04.28 07:57:59 -
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I get the feeling that alt farms wasn't what CCP had originally envisioned for faction warfare. In F&I, a lot of ideas and proposals get shot down by posters coming up with the most exploitive possible action being used to undermine the op.
Too bad CCP didn't put up an FW proposal thread, huh? Maybe we wouldn't have these swarms of stabbed frigates that I keep reading about.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47670
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Posted - 2017.04.28 08:05:19 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:IToo bad CCP didn't put up an FW proposal thread, huh? Maybe we wouldn't have these swarms of stabbed frigates that I keep reading about.
Unfortunately, lowsec/FW changes aren't on the roadmap for the near future, so despite the best efforts of Sugar Kyle while she was on the CSM, and other lowsec CSM representatives, it's probably a while off before CCP implement anything significant, but I'm sure when they do, they'll get plenty of input of changes.
However, stabbed frigates are integral to FW. As a neutral in lowsec it's frustrating, but the FW mechanics rely of PVE as much as they do on PVP and plexing is just something FW members have to do.
Those of us looking to pvp are probably always going to whinge, but that won't change anything. FW members still need to plex offensively/defensively and that isn't a PVP focused activity (in terms of pew pew). |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32461
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Posted - 2017.04.28 09:00:26 -
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Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
902
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Posted - 2017.04.28 13:20:11 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience.
almost as force reacon in the medium! |
Buggs LeRoach
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2017.04.28 14:39:01 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:Soel Reit wrote:what's wrong with you? you don't like the situation?
fight to change it. pretty simple. I'm assuming the first part is sarcastic. Also, I have been fighting for 2-3 years to change it, guess how much progress we have made? we got to 0% once!!!
flying a stabbed , gunless button-orbiter is hardly fighting ..
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Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
91
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Posted - 2017.04.28 15:10:57 -
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Desmios Sanguis wrote:For the past 3 years (for the most part) gal/min have totally dominated amarr/caldari in faction warfare; it is getting to the point now where it is incredibly STUPID to even join calmil as you get -50% loyalty point gains, while galmil gets +75%.
I cannot join galmil as it would ruin my standings in space that I need jump clones.
Is everyone really OK with it being this 1-sided?
Just another moaning amarrian pleb. Nothing to see here.
Amarr were at our doorstep only a month ago and all the way to Tier 3, all the way up to Resbroko and now we've seized everything back and they're having a hard time in their own backyard.
Tides change, get with it.
KthxBye. |
Jenn aSide
shinigami miners ChaosTheory.
15742
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Posted - 2017.04.28 15:13:15 -
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The problem in faction war comes from it's beginning.
I joined the Gallente Militia the very 1st day of Faction War (with another character, Cassus Rex, only had one account back then). It was great, and other than a few roams into null with buddies, it was my 1st real PVP experience.
But it was a huge money sink. Getting blown up even in cheaper ships is expensive. And FW missions were awful for making isk back then. So I would go run lvl 4 missions only to find out that for various reasons, being in the Milita corporation was bad for mission running. So I'd have to leave GalMil to make isk then get back into GalMil to have fun. rinse and repeat.
I was one of the people saying that Faction Warfare needs some rewards, some kind of way to be self sustaining without having to constantly leave FW. I eventually left FW for null after about 5 or 6 months. Eventually CCP did add much better rewards for FW stuff..
And then human nature took over.
ANYTIME you are 'money' to anything, that thing WILL be corrupted, it will be gamed for advantage, and there is zero you can do about it. FW is perpetually screwed because we (the 1st FW generation so to speak) asked them to increase the rewards to "make being in FW worthwhile". It was an eye opening experience for me, it's one of the ways in game that I learned to be careful what you wish for.
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Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
91
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Posted - 2017.04.28 15:14:14 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system.
And Fozziesov isnt ?
lmao
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Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
36
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Posted - 2017.04.28 15:14:23 -
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sero Hita wrote:Cybertherion wrote:
I'd love to see the in-game player/race stats actually.
Well, they are not exactly very hard to get. Ask anyone in a FW militia to access the FW window: I have done it for you. sry about the format tried to fix it but the website undo the spaces I have put in (28-04-2017 06:46) Statistics, Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr, Gallente, Kills In the Last Week, 2.204, 779, 1.052, 2.455 Kills Total, 0,67M, 0,53M, 0,55M, 0,81M Kills Yesterday, 239, 96, 158, 232 Pilots, 28,69K, 18,27K, 16,98K, 27,61K Systems Controlled, 32, 49, 21, 69 Victory Points Last Week, 0,14M, 0,11M, 93,86K, 0,15M Victory Points Total, 51,42M, 30,67M, 30,63M, 49,32M Victory Points Yesterday, 16,96K, 11,96K, 13,40K, 20,28K
There you go again, mudding the waters with facts |
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Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
5042
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Posted - 2017.04.28 23:39:30 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience. Yeah, recently there's been a huge outbreak of warp stabbing among a certain ::ahem:: churchy faction. For shame! Fully grown men or partly grown boys flying around low sec warp stabbed. Have they no pride? Of course, us on the other side could be doing it to. Don't know, I don't shoot at us. |
Church Lady
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2017.04.29 01:20:14 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Stabbed frigates are essential to FW experience. Yeah, recently there's been a huge outbreak of warp stabbing among a certain ::ahem:: churchy faction. For shame! Fully grown men or partly grown boys flying around low sec warp stabbed. Have they no pride? Of course, us on the other side could be doing it to. Don't know, I don't shoot at us.
Did someone say churchy? |
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
245
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Posted - 2017.04.29 01:29:56 -
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Verlyn wrote:Lothros Andastar wrote:Factional Warfare needs to just be scrapped. It's a failed half-baked system. And Fozziesov isnt ? lmao
Except Fozziesov is one of the best fight instigators in the game. Want to get a fight? Go and entosis someone's stuff and wait for a reaction. Kill whatever turns up.
Faction Warfare doesn't have a similar mechanic to drive fights in the same way (gated plexes just don't do it) and as previous posters have pointed out the rewards are such that placing a low skillled alt in a stabbed frig and letting them grind LP all day is worth it. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
904
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Posted - 2017.04.29 01:50:05 -
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do you wanna entosis even for FW? jesus!
can't we find something more emh..... funny?
*i had fun once and i hated it, never again!* |
Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
93
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Posted - 2017.04.29 07:21:29 -
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Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?
I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.
Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.
If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1488
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Posted - 2017.04.29 07:41:48 -
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Verlyn wrote:Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?
I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.
Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.
If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo. No, just limit the alpha LP as a % of an omega account or cap it by tier level regardless of the actual tier. Limiting to only certain plex formats doesnt allow a lot of leeway and imo there better ways of doing it if thats what your going for.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
93
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Posted - 2017.04.29 08:03:14 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Verlyn wrote:Alright so what more could we propose ccp to put a damp on the stabbed alpha invasion?
I met a guy the other night who managed to run several alpha accts on multiple computers, or somehow managed to run them all on one.
Personally i think a solution would be that Alphas should be limited what type of plexes they can enter, seeing that they pretty much farm large plexes, id say an alpha should only be able to enter novice plexes, and no higher.
If alphas want the full fw experience, then they should omega, imo. No, just limit the alpha LP as a % of an omega account or cap it by tier level regardless of the actual tier. Limiting to only certain plex formats doesnt allow a lot of leeway and imo there better ways of doing it if thats what your going for.
Sounds good yea, but alpha lp gain would have to be considerably low so to make it unviable to farm.
I was thinking another also, in order to cap a site you would have to bring a site size ship, meaning you could take down the timer of a large with a single frigate, but you woyld need a BC or larger to complete the actual capping, hence Getting an omega friend to cap it for instance. That would also encourage people to better organize for pvp i think |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
288
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Posted - 2017.04.29 15:25:22 -
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Faction Warfare won't be fixed until you can completely conquer minmatar space and enslave all of those disgusting rustweasels.
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Khergit Deserters
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
5042
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Posted - 2017.04.29 16:22:13 -
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I killed a war target Condor in a plex last night. Check out the important cargo it was hauling around FW space. |
Daemun Khanid
Dirt 'n' Glitter Siege Green.
708
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Posted - 2017.04.30 15:25:55 -
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You ofc realize thats probably a bit of loot from some stabbed minmatar/gal farmer he was lucky enough to kill before they could put down his doritos and look away from netflix.
Daemun of Khanid
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