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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 15:47:24 -
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Apologies - Not specifically related to Eve but I'm not sure where else to ask for help and Google search wasn't helpful.
I recently discovered that Gmail asks me for a phone number to access my inbox. Is there a way to get around this? How long has it been that way? To those who also use Gmail accounts to register to various services, do you really give out your phone number like this?
I'm aware that Gmail asks for a phone number when you create an account (but you do'nt have to give one), but it's the first time I need a phone number to access my already existing account. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:01:10 -
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Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:10:11 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10917
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:37:06 -
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Paria wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information? Any one you pay for.
I'd rather pay $10 a year for some privacy than hand over every little bit of my life to a "free" service.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:39:48 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Paria wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information? Any one you pay for. I'd rather pay $10 a year for some privacy than hand over every little bit of my life to a "free" service. Mr Epeen Which one do you use? |
Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:45:29 -
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I heard that there was a way around this a while back by going through the accessibility options, I don't know if this is still possible.
Outlook (Microsoft) doesn't require this information as far as I'm aware, it will ask for it but you can decline to, or provide false info.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10917
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:47:20 -
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Paria wrote: Which one do you use?
I use Fastmail at $3.00 US per month. I can't say it's any better or worse than any other. I've been using it forever and most anything important is linked to it. So I still use it.
But there are a ton of them out there.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:57:37 -
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Pix Severus wrote:I heard that there was a way around this a while back by going through the accessibility options, I don't know if this is still possible.
Outlook (Microsoft) doesn't require this information as far as I'm aware, it will ask for it but you can decline to, or provide false info. I don't think I can access any options at all because the confirmation message asking for a phone number pops up right after typing password. No access to menus etc.
Last time I checked Outlook asked for a phone number to create an account and I couldn't skip it (red letters pop - "information is necessary") so I didn't make any account. |
Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:59:37 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Paria wrote: Which one do you use?
I use Fastmail at $3.00 US per month. I can't say it's any better or worse than any other. I've been using it forever and most anything important is linked to it. So I still use it. But there are a ton of them out there. Mr Epeen Thanks I will have a look at this if free and non-intrusive services don't exist. |
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:18:17 -
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Free doesn't exist, when you use free you are "selling" your email content.
Anyway I am 90% sure that password or phone number is a choice in settings. Of course you will have to enter your phone to change that setting :/
I use GoDaddy, I pay a few dollars a year extra for a domain name and that way my email doesn't have to change just because I changed providers. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6813
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:31:09 -
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Paria wrote:Apologies - Not specifically related to Eve but I'm not sure where else to ask for help and Google search wasn't helpful.
I recently discovered that Gmail asks me for a phone number to access my inbox. Is there a way to get around this? How long has it been that way? To those who also use Gmail accounts to register to various services, do you really give out your phone number like this?
I'm aware that Gmail asks for a phone number when you create an account (but you do'nt have to give one), but it's the first time I need a phone number to access my already existing account. Use an Android phone? Google already owns your data.
The phone number is only used for account recovery, and two-factor authentication texts. You can setup two-factor authentication app instead of text messages.
If you use a different IP address, and are not using two-factor authentication, Google can deny login to protect the account.
I've never had any issues with Google knowing my mobile phone number ... or my credit card for that matter. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4006
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:35:55 -
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The best option is to just setup your own mailserver on your custom built gateway router which you created because you did not wanted a stock router full of spyware.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6813
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:40:21 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:The best option is to just setup your own mailserver on your custom built gateway router which you created because you did not wanted a stock router full of spyware. I have one of those two.
Most people are incapable of setting-up and operating a server, or properly maintaining a secure server.
I've decades of experience, and constantly watching for breeches and new exploits.
If you don't know what a CVE is, don't even think about it. |
Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:51:28 -
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Salt Foambreaker wrote:Free doesn't exist, when you use free you are "selling" your email content.
Anyway I am 90% sure that password or phone number is a choice in settings. Of course you will have to enter your phone to change that setting :/
I use GoDaddy, I pay a few dollars a year extra for a domain name and that way my email doesn't have to change just because I changed providers. Thanks I'll check that too. If I can't skip the confirmation message asking for a phone number then I'm worried that if for some reason in the future CCP asks to verify my account I will be screwed because no more access to my "Eve address". |
Trevize Demerzel
89
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:51:44 -
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https://protonmail.com/
Private, secure.
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jaqueline vanek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:52:07 -
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PS
wrong topic |
Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:01:47 -
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Trevize Demerzel wrote:https://protonmail.com/
Private, secure. Thanks! |
Carnivorous Swarm
Empty You
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:12:54 -
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Private email server. Control everything: allowed interfaces, spam filtering, and notifications.
May require some sysadmin skills. |
jaqueline vanek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:28:38 -
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Paria wrote:[quote=Pix Severus] Last time I checked Outlook asked for a phone number to create an account and I couldn't skip it (red letters pop - "information is necessary") so I didn't make any account.
don't think so, just an alternate mail. not sure if you can use a throwaway one tho, like anonbox.net or whatever... they used to have a recovery option just using a code provided by them. another feature of theirs I miss is the ability to crate mail aliases. they seem to be going the google way, still way less evil IMHO
btw, did anyone have any experience with lavabit? If I remember correctly they got closed after refusing to give out their private keys and compromise all their clients -- a year or two ago it turned out it was all about Snowden
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Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:31:57 -
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I don't have a list of email that don't use a telephone number but I think I have a few email addresses that don't use telephone numbers.
The only problem is to verify the email account system in question to make sure that they don't. I would also be able to update a list of email systems that require an email.
The suggestion to run one's own email server is good, if that is related to something different than an ISP that is. I know I can run my own Dedicated IP and run a server from it, but that one single company and affiliate in Hong Kong have restrictions on what can be done with the server, in extension, who can use it and how. They don't allow others to access controls although it's possible to setup a security routine like a password (or even cell phone SMS code and input system, yes) for data transfer, depending on the format. It's possible to setup an email account for someone that way, however, I would not recommend it.
I would have to verify what it is to know for sure what it was about, or to analyse the system if I don't know what it is . Sometimes data gathering can be useless if it's designed to be that way.
On another note: GMail is not as secure as they can, since they delete messages over the 5 GB limit or so without warning. It's a good idea to backup your data (/email messages and file attachments) and not rely on the concept of privacy offered by others when they can just turn around and be traiterous about security of information, or disloyal about keeping safe or in ways to jeopardize one's security or public safety.
I copyright the data and information which I create and that I am the author of, some of which include email, and I may have to copyright it, in as much as I may have to copyright programs I design with descriptions, and those that I program, or risk more potential of forfeiture if not registered. Fixed Copyright isn't registered and as such, is much harder to protect, and if the crown seek forfeiture of it for whatever reasons they may want to argue about , whether legal or not, it becomes much more complicated to protect if the whole creation work doesn't have to be redone, if someone else is not using it without your authorization.
I disagree that Gmail gets all rights to data when offering a service, but that would be or should be ground for litigation. That is nothing that would make a good contract or a valid and sound agreement between 2 valid parties. They do however have rights and responsibility, and one of those is to not be obligated for someone's illegal use of data, and a second is to protect users against violation of the security of that data.
And yes, this also includes public and civic safety to a certain extent, and no more than necessary. There are also other rights from it, and the way those rights are attributed also are subject to security review and analysis, in a good way, not in unfair ways, or just to make one party seem damaged when in fact one is trying to help them, despite communication warfare which may be administered by parties without the authorization for it.
Email was designed to work in case of nuclear warfare, and the designers were attacked and their email systems made to fail. They were then forced to use analog and alternate systems to compensate for the damage and incapacity to communicate to solve the problem and regain control of that system's security.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1340
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Posted - 2017.05.03 20:45:14 -
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Paria wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information? I've been running my own mail server for over a decade now, so no clue what's out there for viable options. But the rule of thumb is if you don't pay for a product, you are the product. Use free (as in open, not free of cost) services wherever possible and don't sign up for any of the walled gardens and you should also check where the company / provider in question is located.
Do not trust any provider on US soil, rather look for European providers (excluding UK and France) if you value your privacy even a little bit.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2017.05.03 20:54:20 -
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lol |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1678
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:10:08 -
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Paria wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information? Hahaha.
You are happy to use a service for your email and all the details that are included in emails, but not willing to give them a mobile number to increase security on those emails.
Classic.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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jaqueline vanek
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:30:16 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway.
well, they said they werent evil... were they?
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Paria
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:50:56 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Paria wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. What other email service can I use that doesn't ask for personal information? I've been running my own mail server for over a decade now, so no clue what's out there for viable options. But the rule of thumb is if you don't pay for a product, you are the product. Use free (as in open, not free of cost) services wherever possible and don't sign up for any of the walled gardens and you should also check where the company / provider in question is located. Do not trust any provider on US soil, rather look for European providers (excluding UK and France) if you value your privacy even a little bit. Thanks for the advice. As someone mentioned, Protonmail seems to be a good alternative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail As for my Eve account it is stuck with a Gmail address that I can't change because it requires access to the existing Gmail account. At least I won't use Gmail for any future registration. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1340
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:56:56 -
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jaqueline vanek wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Just give the kraken what it wants. You sold your privacy the moment you signed up for gmail anyway. well, they said they werent evil... were they? They aren't. I'll also tripple every ISK you send me. Honest.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
77
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Posted - 2017.05.03 22:16:09 -
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They ask for phone number and verification code so no random person can login on your account. As an added bonus NSA will know your location with 10 inch accuracy instead of 2 meters like they currently do. |
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