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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3157
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:31:32 -
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With CEP statement of Dragonaurs involvement in spreading of Kyonoke infection inside Caldari State borders, and the dominant amount of Dragonaur personnel on service on my vessels, the following measures will be taken.
1) All Dragonaur crewmembers in service on my vessels, that are flying under the banner of Caldari State, State Protectorate and Caldari Militia Coalition, are to be immediately discharged from the service.
2) Their unfinished service terms will be paid in full and compensated according to their contracts with compensation for premature contract termination by the employer.
3) No Dragonaur-affiliated personnel will be hired as crewmembers on my vessels until further notice.
Effective from now, 04.05.YC119.
D. Kim, Strike Cmdr. State Protectorate Caldari State
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
144
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:34:45 -
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That-¦s very reasonable of you Ms Kim. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
800
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:43:40 -
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I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3375
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:45:13 -
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Diana Kim wrote:With CEP statement of Dragonaurs involvement in spreading of Kyonoke infection inside Caldari State borders
Just to be clear here, Diana, are you saying your only objection is that they used a biological weapon inside Caldari space? Using it on multiple civilian populations outside the State was perfectly ok for you? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3159
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:49:11 -
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Nauplius wrote:I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State. Or they have committed treason. Or it's just FIO attack on Dragonaurs. We don't know much, but I can't take risk and carry potential threat to Caldari State inside my ships. Until those who did that belong or hiding among Dragonaur ranks or just pretend to be Dragonaurs, there will be no Dragonaur on my ship.
I'll let CBT and TD solve it. Meanwhile, I have the State to protect, from foreign and domestic enemies alike.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9707
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:29:45 -
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Ms. Kim, please report the identity of any known Templis Dragonaur to relevant naval authorities. Per the Chief Executive Panel, those men and women are terrorists, and you have been harboring them.
In this instance, while they are no longer in your service, corrective action is surely needed. Otherwise, you may well have aided and abetted any crimes they have committed in the intervening years.
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Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:49:21 -
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... I doubt that any Dragonaurs could tolerate being around me for too long, but I'll keep on the lookout for any attempting to infiltrate my crew pending my departure.
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3159
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:55:22 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ms. Kim, please report the identity of any known Templis Dragonaur to relevant naval authorities. Per the Chief Executive Panel, those men and women are terrorists, and you have been harboring them. In this instance, while they are no longer in your service, corrective action is surely needed. Otherwise, you may well have aided and abetted any crimes they have committed in the intervening years. I didn't have any criminals on my ships. Besides that, you are in no power to tell military officer how to conduct affairs, dishonorable liar. Know your place.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9708
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:00:14 -
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For public consideration;
Let us note for the record that one Diana Kim has now openly stated that Templus Dragonaur were a dominant amount of her crew, that she has knowingly provided them with employment despite CEP affirming their status as terrorists, and that she is now stating that she has no intent to report known terrorists to the Caldari Navy or the Chief Executive Panel, even as the State mourns the deaths of nearly fifteen million in Myrskaa at the hands of a Templis Dragonaur conspiracy.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3159
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:12:03 -
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For public consideration;
Makoto Priano is an infamous slanderer, who spread lies about Caldari officers. She has been doing it for quite some time. She has also lost her honor when was found to be unable to defend herself after she was caught in spreading public lies on this exact IGS forum.
Further information is available here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3385
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:13:16 -
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Actually, Makoto, since she's been paying them, they've attacked the State, and money is fungible*, wouldn't that mean she's been materially supporting terrorist activities against the State? In fact, since she's been making money off of their activitesGÇöspecifically, their activities as her crewGÇödoesn't that mean that her ships have effectively been a terrorist front? That opens her up to all sorts of conspiracy and racketeering charges if she doesn't inform the State of the locations of those Dragonaur she knows about.
I mean, speaking as someone who was a corporate officer in Caldari space for a time, and had to deal with potential criminal liability issues, and all.
* - Fungibility basically means that once money enters a common pool, one credit is indistinguishable from another. So if you need 40 ISK for ammo and 60 ISK for fuel, and I give you 40 ISK and Ali gives you 50 ISK, when you hit Jita a week later and buy everything, neither one of us can claim we were only giving you money for gas, because it's impossible to tell, ultimately, whose money went to buy the missiles. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3160
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:23:30 -
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Arrendis wrote:Actually, Makoto, since she's been paying them, they've attacked the State, and money is fungible*, wouldn't that mean she's been materially supporting terrorist activities against the State? No, and only complete idiots could believe in that nonsense.
Please keep your paranoid delusions away from this thread, goon.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3391
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:25:36 -
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Ah, Diana, welcome to the lovely world of Racketeering in Criminal Organizations laws. You might want to study up on them. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1336
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:26:10 -
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Tad late to try to distance yourself from the Dragonaur's. Some rats fleet a sinking ship. You're currently tunneling up through the wreckage on the sea bed. Even when you emerge from the disaster, you will still find yourself deep under water. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9710
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:27:17 -
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Essentially, Arrendis, yes. Given that she's knowingly provided aid to a terrorist organization, she may very well be complicit in their crimes. I suspect it'd warrant a court martial, were she anything more than an independent contractor.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3160
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:37:43 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Essentially, Arrendis, yes. Given that she's knowingly provided aid to a terrorist organization, she may very well be complicit in their crimes. I suspect it'd warrant a court martial, were she anything more than an independent contractor. If it'd be possible, I'd court martial you ages ago.
Luckily, I didn't commit any crimes against Caldari State, both my honor and criminal records are clean, and I am open for any investigation, or to visiting any court martial if they would present any charge against me.
Obviously, barkings (or whatever else you spew out from behind your fence) of such dishonorable liar like you, Makoto, can't and won't be considered as a charge.
Disappear.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1886
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:45:02 -
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What is worse? Diana Kim knowingly hiring known terrorists or people like me who are guilty of not asking?
On a more serious note;
Congrats for coming to that conclusion Kim. I doubt it was a hard decision for you. |
Yoshitaka Moromuo
Madhatter's Tea House Arx Alliance
44
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:45:35 -
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I believe a simple question would warrant an answer here: were they known to be Dragonaur members or affiliates while within your employ? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3160
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:52:17 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:What is worse? Diana Kim knowingly hiring known terrorists or people like me who are guilty of not asking?
On a more serious note;
Congrats for coming to that conclusion Kim. I doubt it was a hard decision for you. I hire crewmembers and ship personnel, trained for ship combat, not for terrorism.
Terrorism is poor man's war. I need better trained personnel than terrorists. I need professionals. I would never hire incompetent crewmembers.
Neither I ever had an open position of "terrorist" on my ship. Tell me, Ms. Vess, do minmatar ships have terrorist position in crewmembers? Our Caldari ships don't.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7531
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:53:56 -
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Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote:I believe a simple question would warrant an answer here: were they known to be Dragonaur members or affiliates while within your employ?
And if the answer to that is 'yes' it means Diana can do nothing more than expel them, since they are only responsible to her for:
1. Things they did prior to being in her employ that they hid from her against the terms of their contract. 2. Things they did whilst in her employee that were against the terms of their contract.
If Diana offered an olive branch to people that she felt were unfairly maligned citizens of the State who she believed deserved a fresh chance then that is between her and her employees and anyone in a position of authority over her.
Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9711
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Posted - 2017.05.05 00:00:29 -
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Tuulinen-haan, do you honestly believe that Kim would employ Dragonaur to rehabilitate them? Or do so unknowing of their political views, or out of anything other than abject support for their politics and actions?
What's more, in this case I'd say it's explicitly relevant as she paints herself as the One True Caldari, was acting against affirmed CEP statements, and is doing the bare minimum to distance herself from a known terrorist organization temporarily.
The Kyonoke crisis could have been avoided had we done more to burn out the rot beforehand, a rot your very statements here would allow to remain, festering.
It's one thing to rehabilitate.
It's another to aid and abet.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1886
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Posted - 2017.05.05 00:10:41 -
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Diana Kim wrote: I hire crewmembers and ship personnel, trained for ship combat, not for terrorism.
If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.
Diana Kim wrote: Terrorism is poor man's war. I need better trained personnel than terrorists. I need professionals. I would never hire incompetent crewmembers.
Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.
Diana Kim wrote: Neither I ever had an open position of "terrorist" on my ship. Tell me, Ms. Vess, do minmatar ships have terrorist position in crewmembers? Our Caldari ships don't.
If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.
Once again, Congrats on actually doing the right thing to no ones surprise. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3160
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Posted - 2017.05.05 00:14:10 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.
As for terrorists:
1) I never had a terror-related positions on my ship and never hired personnel interested primarily in terrorism. There are no and were no terrorists on my ship.
And for the other part:
2) I might or might not hire criminals and traitors for suicide missions. I am considering this. As for now, I don't have criminal/traitor crews. But assembling several as a penal punishment for them to restore their honor in combat is... possible. I will look into it and what I could do. However the idea of running my ship with suboptimal crew doesn't inspire me.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3161
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Posted - 2017.05.05 00:21:34 -
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Deitra Vess wrote: If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.
I never had terrorist position on my ship. If a potential candidate displays interest primarily in terrorism, I cannot offer them any place in my crew.
Deitra Vess wrote: Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.
There are professional saboteurs and assasins. I'd better hire them than a terrorist. But so far I never had a need for these professionals on my ships.
Deitra Vess wrote: If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.
Well, the ship is sort of closed environment, so they have nobody to terrorize during my combat operation. If they would start terrorize my own crew, I'd just space them that instant.
I really have no idea why would anyone need a terrorist on their ship. I definitely don't need one on mine.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1886
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Posted - 2017.05.05 00:23:21 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote: If you hired the later without consideration for the former you wouldn't do so well in combat. Thankfully people can learn more than one thing.
I never had terrorist position on my ship. If a potential candidate displays interest primarily in terrorism, I cannot offer them any place in my crew. Deitra Vess wrote: Being Professional and being a terrorist are not mutually exclusive. There ARE professional terrorists out there after all.
There are professional saboteurs and assasins. I'd better hire them than a terrorist. But so far I never had a need for these professionals on my ships. Deitra Vess wrote: If I didn't ask and I knew without them telling me, they weren't that good of terrorists now were they? What kind of role would a terrorist exactly have on a warship anyways? Hmm... I believe I answered your question with another question.
Well, the ship is sort of closed environment, so they have nobody to terrorize during my combat operation. If they would start terrorize my own crew, I'd just space them that instant. I really have no idea why would anyone need a terrorist on their ship. I definitely don't need one on mine. Hmm.. Well said. |
TomHorn
Kresh Leaves
305
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Posted - 2017.05.05 02:09:07 -
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Nauplius wrote:I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State.
Liberals within the State. False flag attack by the liberals to demonise this political group. They carried out a coup against the State Executor , this is just a continuation of the liberal war against the patriots within the State.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3393
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Posted - 2017.05.05 03:50:19 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Given the number of people I know within this community who employ terrorists, criminals and traitors there are damn few who in a position to truly judge her.
There's a considerable difference, Pieter, between saying 'oh my god, Diana, how could you do such a terrible thing?', like just hiring psychopaths is somehow beyond the pale for any of us, and pointing out that someone who has literally advocated genocide on behalf of the State might be a damned hypocrite for knowingly harboring members of an anti-State terrorist organization. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3163
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Posted - 2017.05.05 04:28:33 -
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TomHorn wrote:Nauplius wrote:I disagree with this decision. The allegation of Dragonaur involvement is obviously planted by Gallentean or Minmatar intelligence agencies or by traitors within the State. Liberals within the State. False flag attack by the liberals to demonise this political group. They carried out a coup against the State Executor , this is just a continuation of the liberal war against the patriots within the State. The accusation is a serious one regardless. For a ship that could be deployed in critical to the State missions any risk of sabotage must be prevented.
Liberals are not enemies of the State. Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.
But those, who are traitors and cover their treason with name of Liberalism - they are not Liberals, they are the enemies. And those, who spread Kyonoke in State territory, covering under name of Dragonaurs - they are the enemies.
Currently, Templis Dragonaurs represent severe security threat. As soon as this accusation from them will be lifted, or as soon as those of them who did participate in this attack will be neutralized (if it really were them - and we can't really exclude this possibility, knowing their history), then I will resume hiring them to my ships.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Bran Kignol
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.05.05 14:03:25 -
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Quote:Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari.
Meaning that The State is lying to you when saying the opposite ?
Stop being in contradiction with everything you say from start to the end.
Did you ask your crew members their Member's card ID to their terrorist group to be fully aware that you have so many Templis Dragonaurs into your crew ? Was it a prerequisite to be enlisted in your crew ?
If you knew they were from this group then you're at least guilty of tolerating ennemies of the State onboard your ships at worst guilty of collaborating with them against the State or even worst to be part of them.
Templis Dragonaurs are on Caldari terrorist list for decades at least. it has been reaffirmed that they are a terrorist group 6 years ago after they've been tolerated (not taken out of the list) by this traitorous you still support too. Nonetheless, you, better judgement that your own State, decided that they were acceptable onboard your ship ?
Your credibility is near 0.
I definitely think the State should get in charge of your case. |
Tsao Aubbes
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
114
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:20:19 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Templis Dragonaurs are not enemies of the Caldari. Templis Dragonarus are enemies of the Caldari State.
Tressith Sefira > You don't understand. She IS the awkward.
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