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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:20:30 -
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Just a random thought i figured i should post and get opinions on. What would everyone think/say about a relaunched EVE, better graphics, better everything basically, modern day technology, modern servers and even better effects, even more content like for instance a bigger playable space (not that it isnt already large) even MORE indepth gameplay/roleplay. Not sure if it would sky rocket or flop thats why im asking for peoples thoughts and opinions.
All responses are welcome Not trying to cause conflict just genuinely curious. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:26:01 -
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'Better' is very subjective. What better graphics? What better technologies?
What's lacking specifically in the current graphics and technologies.
What servers are going to be more modern than the current TQ3? |
Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
331
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:28:33 -
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I genuinely think that Eve doesn't have enough sandbox elements to it. So, if there were ever an Eve 2.0 I would want more sandbox and far less hand holding in the game. There would be no empire space, no already placed stargates, and you would perhaps have even more control over how you want to build your own ship. The only thing that strikes me as a true sandbox in this game are the economies, alliances/coalitions, and their military doctrines. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:30:10 -
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I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.
Mr Epeen
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Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:30:57 -
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While better graphics and performance would be nice, I don't think those features are worth losing everything else about the current EVE.
You can guarantee that creation of a new EVE would be an excuse to make WoW in space, losing any soul this game once had.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:32:57 -
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I'd probably take Eve Two as a good enough reason to give up on Eve One and MMO's in general.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:42:58 -
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It would split their userbase and kill both new and old EVE, through lack of required numbers to fill out either game, the old userbase would know that EVE 1 was not going to be further developed, and many would not like to start again and thus they wouldn't be found on either server fairly quickly.
In any case, its faster to improve EVE than rewrite everything, and the current developers have a stronger maintainability focus than the original team.
I'd also love to play an EVE "season", where a fresh empty server is up that everyone is starting from scratch on ala a diablo 3 season, but that would also split the user base. Also injectors would now serve to short circuit access to capitals, which would prevent a fresh server from having a "golden age" of purely precapital combat.
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Magnus Jax
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Posted - 2017.05.10 03:02:51 -
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We're on EVE 5 atm, continuously improving and updating.
Don't ask for things you don't understand, you might just actually get what you asked for. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
575
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Posted - 2017.05.10 03:05:31 -
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Its like the Ship of Theseus, how much of the original game and coding needs to be changed for it to count as a new game?
the graphics have been overhauled several times now, most of the ships have been updated, mechanics reworked. and much of the legacy code nuked. we pretty much are in eve 2.0 at this point, or at least shortly will be. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1593
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Posted - 2017.05.10 03:11:07 -
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Eve 2 would be like when Square Enix made Final Fantasy 14. There was still development and expansions on the horizon for Final Fantasy 11. There's still debates today over which game is better but unfortunately all that they did was set up their own competition internally .. (at least it's the same wallet)
The posters saying it would create a split house, yes that is exactly what happened to another franchise basically.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2850
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Posted - 2017.05.10 04:24:25 -
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Upgrade servers? Hamster-powered aint good enough for ya? Very well.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.05.10 05:53:35 -
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Hilmar have said in the interview that it doesnt make sense to do EVE 2, like it doesnt make sense to do facebook 2.
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Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
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Posted - 2017.05.10 06:04:40 -
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eve 2 will finally have cat ears |
Jacques d'Orleans
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Posted - 2017.05.10 06:49:43 -
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote:Just a random thought i figured i should post and get opinions on. What would everyone think/say about a relaunched EVE, better graphics, better everything basically, modern day technology, modern servers and even better effects, even more content like for instance a bigger playable space (not that it isnt already large) even MORE indepth gameplay/roleplay. Not sure if it would sky rocket or flop thats why im asking for peoples thoughts and opinions. All responses are welcome Not trying to cause conflict just genuinely curious.
Things EvE 2.0 should have:
- Overpriced Cash shops like Black Desert Online and all the other ****** Korean MMO's.
- Safe Spaces for all the special snowflakes.
- Day one DLC and Season Passes like every EA/Ubishaft game has. Play the new Caldari faction for just 49.99$.
- Solo and Group Play like Elite: Not so dangerous.
- Tired Faces like Mass Effect: Arsedromeda
- Let me take you by the hand and guide you to Point A to kill x amount of mobs, like...yeah...you know.
- 365 different genders, so that no Tumblr freak is gettin' triggered by looking at a male/female.
- A ****** PC port from PS 4 or XBone.
- A Tumblr blog were they can whine about anything and everything.
- Seal of approval by Anita Sarkeesian.
- Instant gratification for the "usual suspects".
- Gold Ammo like in World of Tanks, for those with the aim of a Imperial Stormtrooper. 100 rounds just 5.99$.
- No PvP zones, because PvP would make me suffer "extreme trauma and tears while mining in High Sec".
Did I miss something? /cynism off
People once asked for KotoR 3 and at the end they got SW: TOR. Be cautious what you're asking for.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.05.10 07:03:42 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:'Better' is very subjective. What better graphics? What better technologies?
What's lacking specifically in the current graphics and technologies.
What servers are going to be more modern than the current TQ3?
EVE could use multi-threaded code, frankly. Right now TQ is like a Ferrari running on whiskey instead of gas. Yes, probably it will perform better than a VW Golf also running on whiskey, but there's something seriously lacking in the fuel department...
Only problem is that multi-threaded EVE would be effectively EVE 2 since everything should be coded again... |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33314
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Posted - 2017.05.10 07:05:51 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:eve 2 will finally have cat ears I think we should get that in EVE 1. I have pink/white skin on my ship already, so why not?
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.05.10 07:30:35 -
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-02-23-mine-asteroids-build-space-stations-this-is-the-purpose-of-life
Quote:"EVE 2 confirmed?" I joke, predictably. It raises a smile.
"People always asked us, in, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 'When is Eve 2 coming out?' And then they kind of just stopped asking. I think people now get it. Eve is like Facebook. It doesn't make sense to make Facebook 2. Eve is Eve. And as long as we do a good job of modernising it, as the team has been doing, from business model to graphics to gameplay to economies, then Eve kind of constantly just succeeds itself. So that's definitely the plan.
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Cybertherion
Pneumatic Cabal
83
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Posted - 2017.05.10 07:44:06 -
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EvE is facebook, but a far superior game and with a lot less fake people.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
591
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Posted - 2017.05.10 08:19:24 -
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We are playing 'EvE 24' or something atm.... |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
1159
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Posted - 2017.05.10 08:43:27 -
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Eve is a player driven sandbox. Politics, economics, cooperation and conflict - none of it scripted by the developers. The furniture in the sandbox is a very small part of the game.
Eve is written in stackless python which is fully multi-threaded. The game was originally developed to run on single core Pentium 4 servers and legacy debt remains but it is being paid down. It would be nice if we could get more frequent devblogs discussing work on the core engine that powers the game.
Given that the player created institutions and connections between them are the game it makes a lot more sense to maintain and enhance the existing sandbox. |
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15815
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:12:18 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots. Mr Epeen
This is wrong.
Within 2 weeks of "EVE 2" the same people who are 'ahead' here and 'calling the shoits' would be ahead there, and the same people who are behind here would fall behind in some way there (and run to the forums to blame 'bad people, greedy CCP, game mechanics, the weather, etc etc). As in real life, so it is in game.
Successful people have successful people habits (some of which aren't 'nice'), a new version of EVE doesn't change basic reality.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47750
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Posted - 2017.05.10 13:34:37 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:'Better' is very subjective. What better graphics? What better technologies?
What's lacking specifically in the current graphics and technologies.
What servers are going to be more modern than the current TQ3? EVE could use multi-threaded code, frankly. Right now TQ is like a Ferrari running on whiskey instead of gas. Yes, probably it will perform better than a VW Golf also running on whiskey, but there's something seriously lacking in the fuel department... Only problem is that multi-threaded EVE would be effectively EVE 2 since everything should be coded again... The backend code that is still Python uses stackless, so each process runs in its own thread and multiple micro threads can run on the one CPU. It's already multithreaded, but just not system threads. The Python interpreter is running the threads.
That's not necessarily to say that is the best way it could be done, just that it isn't as simple as being multithreaded. It already is. |
Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
42
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Posted - 2017.05.10 14:53:28 -
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Oh yes, they could do it like TSW did.
Wipe the server, change the game in ways no one ever asked for and re-release the game.
Not just NO, F NO!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10998
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Posted - 2017.05.10 15:11:50 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots. Mr Epeen This is wrong. Within 2 weeks of "EVE 2" the same people who are 'ahead' here and 'calling the shoits' would be ahead there, and the same people who are behind here would fall behind in some way there (and run to the forums to blame 'bad people, greedy CCP, game mechanics, the weather, etc etc). As in real life, so it is in game.Successful people have successful people habits (some of which aren't 'nice'), a new version of EVE doesn't change basic reality. Maybe.
But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them.
There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game.
And yet, here you all are, still posting.
Mr Epeen
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15819
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Posted - 2017.05.10 15:59:49 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Maybe. But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them. There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game. And yet, here you all are, still posting. Mr Epeen
That's nonsense. The people talking about other games (ie "Star Citizen is goign to kill EVE") aren't the successful people (the so called "bittervets" you claim are "calling the shots"). The people making those claims are the disaffected carebears who rage quit and always slither back after they learn that the totally safe pro-carebear game they jsut knew would kill EVE was, in actual fact, boring as hell.
What you said was I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.". We've heard that before every time someone talks about a "server reset". The idea rests upon the fallacy that the 'rich/powerful' players in EVE are only that way because they got a head start, and if people had an 'even playing field' things would be different.
They wouldn't, because the people who blamed the 'entrenched interests' for their problems ignore the fact that they have bad and self defeating personal habits and ways of thinking that would make them stay on the loosing side even in a reset EVE Online (or EVE 2).
What you said reminded me of Dominion Sov. CCP said it would do all this nice stuff for 'small entities' and people believed it, the 'big groups' like Goons tried to tell everyone that was stupid and that Dominion Sov would make big groups stronger. The small group folks replied "you are just scared of change because you know Dominion Sov will make you weaker!!!!".
7 Years of Goon domination of a huge chunk of nullsec thanks to Dominion Sov didn't seem to convince anyone of anything it seems.
Likewise, EVE 2 would mean HIGHER LEVELS of 'bittervet domination of the game' because those bitter vets had 14 years of seeing how people react to things so they know how to manipulate games for their own purposes.
If EVE 2 ever happened, you would NOT like it, Mr Epeen. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.05.10 16:44:56 -
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EVE 2 will never happen.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.05.10 16:49:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Maybe. But more likely it would be them that are posting tear filled "I'll never play E2" posts. And selecting a random game that they all swear they are moving to and trying to get everyone else to join them. There's empirical evidence to back this up. Just look back over the years and the bittervet response to changes CCP made that affected their righteous ownership of the game. And yet, here you all are, still posting. Mr Epeen That's nonsense. The people talking about other games (ie "Star Citizen is goign to kill EVE") aren't the successful people (the so called "bittervets" you claim are "calling the shots"). The people making those claims are the disaffected carebears who rage quit and always slither back after they learn that the totally safe pro-carebear game they jsut knew would kill EVE was, in actual fact, boring as hell. What you said was I don't know about better, but it would sure be interesting to see EVE 2 simply because you wouldn't have an entrenched minority of bitter vets calling the shots.". We've heard that before every time someone talks about a "server reset". The idea rests upon the fallacy that the 'rich/powerful' players in EVE are only that way because they got a head start, and if people had an 'even playing field' things would be different. They wouldn't, because the people who blamed the 'entrenched interests' for their problems ignore the fact that they have bad and self defeating personal habits and ways of thinking that would make them stay on the loosing side even in a reset EVE Online (or EVE 2). What you said reminded me of Dominion Sov. CCP said it would do all this nice stuff for 'small entities' and people believed it, the 'big groups' like Goons tried to tell everyone that was stupid and that Dominion Sov would make big groups stronger. The small group folks replied "you are just scared of change because you know Dominion Sov will make you weaker!!!!". 7 Years of Goon domination of a huge chunk of nullsec thanks to Dominion Sov didn't seem to convince anyone of anything it seems. Likewise, EVE 2 would mean HIGHER LEVELS of 'bittervet domination of the game' because those bitter vets had 14 years of seeing how people react to things so they know how to manipulate games for their own purposes. If EVE 2 ever happened, you would NOT like it, Mr Epeen. World of Tanks can thank its success for the bittervets of EVE.
'nuff said.
Mr Epeen
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1210
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Posted - 2017.05.10 22:26:00 -
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With all that's been done to Eve, from adding content that wasn't there before to overhauling and completely redoing, replacing, or removing content that's been around long enough to have been, Eve today is literally well beyond Eve 2: Eve Harder already.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2017.05.10 23:11:27 -
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Woah didnt expect so many comments ._. From what im reading at the moment lots of people don't seem to like the idea, was just a thought throwing it out there |
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2017.05.10 23:19:57 -
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Thankyou everyone for your comments! They are very appreciated and i agree that our eve is basically an eve 2, it would split the playerbase. But what if, if this eve's servers got shut down, then would we want an eve 2? not sure really, if eve 1 got shut down because it "Died" then eve 2 probably wouldnt kick off either. Anyway thankyou everyone! sorry if i triggered some people by making a post about if there was an eve 2. |
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