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Matsu Fumiko
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
1922
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:09:16 -
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I opened this Topic since the old one was closed.
This problem concerns many Players so it should not be locked and removed from our agenda.
So I would like to ask all players who want to talk about this issue to NOT bump this thread.
I think we have better ways to show CCP that we are not pleased about the current Situation.
My question to CCP: is it intended to make PayPal available as a payment option for character Transfers?
According to the removed PLEX Option this option should be taken into account.
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Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
2
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Posted - 2017.05.11 07:50:20 -
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If it is a technical issue CCP should build up people's confidence. If it is actually not a technical issue then we should carefully check the current and next financial statements since it weird to do this for cash and SOMEONE put a lot of money into a high risky VR program. If anyone show interest I would like to continue discussions. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
1166
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:07:43 -
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Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.
The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3411
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:17:00 -
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Do Little wrote:Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.
The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table. I have the opposite opinion. CCP makes even more money if players have to use skill extractors and injectors to move SP around rather than the character bazaar with either cash or PLEX. Further, the character bazaar is due for some major changes with the upcoming forum revamp, as you will no longer be able to post from a specific character on the forums. The simplest thing it seems to me seems is for the character bazaar to be deprecated and not support exchanging ISK for characters anymore, and just leave character transfers for cash between accounts or friends.
It would have been nice though for some warning and some clarity from CCP on what their real intentions are. I imagine a small number of people were caught out by such a change with so short notice and had their game activities significantly screwed up by this.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
2
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:20:42 -
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Do Little wrote:Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.
Yap and that's why I'm so worried. A company gives up higher profits for immediate cash flow is surely a very very bad sign. I personally wouldn't worry so much if it is because of stupid reasons. But for now what I received is that CCP need cash and willing to give up "profits" Hope someone can rebuild our trust, really. |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
506
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:54:17 -
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@Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33357
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:37:06 -
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voetius wrote: @Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA
Falcon said it will be similar to Valkyrie forum. Discourse also.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3411
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Posted - 2017.05.11 10:11:39 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:voetius wrote: @Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA
Falcon said it will be similar to Valkyrie forum. Discourse also. The details are in the last CSM minutes: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM11-S2.pdf
starting on page 7.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33358
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Posted - 2017.05.11 11:07:14 -
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Sean Decker must have had his part in this.
Who is Sean Decker.
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Christina Carter
Moonfire Industries
10
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Posted - 2017.05.11 11:15:30 -
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I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principal. I have already unsubbed 2 of my 6 accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principals and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
585
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:35:24 -
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Christina Carter wrote:I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principal. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principals and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.
the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault. Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one. and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with.
This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions.
but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.)
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Sucky
A moose once bit my sister
16
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Posted - 2017.05.11 12:43:26 -
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I like the change. I don't trade characters and I'm minted in and out of game.
Poors, know your place please and calm down. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11009
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:04:48 -
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Matsu Fumiko wrote: So I would like to ask all players who want to talk about this issue to NOT bump this thread.
The thread was not closed for bumping. That was the cover excuse. It was closed because it was shining a light on the incompetence and/or straight up dishonesty of the portion of CCP that are in charge of this patch.
My guess is they'll quickly find a reason to close this one.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Christina Carter
Moonfire Industries
10
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:11:19 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principal. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principals and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP. the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault. Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one. and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with. This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions. but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.)
TY for that lovely typical troll statement about my stuff. It is completely unproductive and pointless.
I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principal and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base.
CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best.
I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principals and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not! |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1361
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:14:36 -
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Do Little wrote:Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.
The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table. Do you know what the character bazaar is? I think not by your nonsense response - Skill point farmers don't use the bazaar, players trading characters should not be forced to pay real world money to make an isk transaction - you bazaar fool.
Trading Real money for isk is against the EULA yet that is EXACTLY what CCP is now expecting players to do via the character bazaar - CCP is 3rd partying cash for isk transactions.
You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot
123
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:31:53 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA
I know the mental effort required to reach this conclusion was staggering, but, here's a thought.
It's CCPs game, they can sell you whatever they like.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1691
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:34:55 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Do Little wrote:Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.
The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table. Do you know what the character bazaar is? I think not by your nonsense response - Skill point farmers don't use the bazaar, players trading characters should not be forced to pay real world money to make an isk transaction - you bazaar fool. Trading Real money for isk is against the EULA yet that is EXACTLY what CCP is now expecting players to do via the character bazaar - CCP is 3rd partying cash for isk transactions. You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA You're dumb as dogs balls.
You've always been able to pay $20 to transfer a character, instead of 2 PLEX.
However, your stupidity about the EULA only shows that you haven't read it, not that someone else hasn't.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
587
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:40:39 -
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Christina Carter wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principles and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP. the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault. Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one. and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with. This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions. but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.) TY for that lovely typical troll statement about my stuff. It is completely unproductive and pointless. I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principal and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base. CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best. I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principles and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not!
No it wasn't handled properly, but if it was something that only came up at the last minute, the lack of warning makes sense.
as for the troll comment, yeah it was a bit cheeky.... but seriously if you are planning on leaving the game I would really appreciate your stuff, I am seriously space poor and have a crippling injector addiction. |
Matsu Fumiko
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
1922
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:43:39 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Matsu Fumiko wrote: So I would like to ask all players who want to talk about this issue to NOT bump this thread.
The thread was not closed for bumping. That was the cover excuse. It was closed because it was shining a light on the incompetence and/or straight up dishonesty of the portion of CCP that are in charge of this patch. My guess is they'll quickly find a reason to close this one. Mr Epeen
Yes, but since we are all nice to each other - they will have to find a rule to be violenced
Perhaps a blue one feels free to answer my question - would be very nice.
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1800
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:50:52 -
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Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
Removed a post for the above reason.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Alexis Red
Red Corporation
15
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:51:18 -
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Christina Carter wrote:I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principle0s and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.
I am by no means a huge fan of CCP due to game play issues, but it would seem making a profit is a high priority for any company and it's likely a necessary move to stay afloat in a very competitive gaming environment. Trust is hardly at play here, more survival and frankly cowing to a fickle player base is not good business.
It's fairly easy to play this game casually with full omega access and not pay a dime of real money, after a small initial investment in either time or money in the beginning. Simply create a few skill farming characters to extract and plex your main. for me it's 3 omega farmed toons can support my main skilling without any costs or grinding.
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Benje en Divalone
10
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Posted - 2017.05.11 14:23:54 -
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Alexis Red wrote:I am by no means a huge fan of CCP due to game play issues, but it would seem making a profit is a high priority for any company and it's likely a necessary move to stay afloat in a very competitive gaming environment. Trust is hardly at play here, more survival and frankly cowing to a fickle player base is not good business. Trust and reputation are Business 101 fundamentals. Any company is free to make changes to their service offerings. It's good business sense to provide at least adequate notice when those changes will significantly affect their customers. There's a direct correlation between loss of trust and loss of customers.
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Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
284
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Posted - 2017.05.11 15:11:22 -
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*snip* Discussing Forum Moderation is prohibited. *Snip* ISD Max Trix
As said it's unacceptable that you can no longer use plex to character transfer. If it's a "technical" issue, then why not work around it by letting us convert 1000 nuPlex into 2 "old" Plex and have them only be usable to transfer characters? |
Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
2
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Posted - 2017.05.11 15:30:26 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:why not work around it by letting us convert 1000 nuPlex into 2 "old" Plex and have them only be usable to transfer characters? Yes this is a point, if CCP is fighting with the issue, why not start an emergency compensation like this? The hostilely action have been done recently by them makes me feel less and less it is a technical issue. Although I don't want to say that but I do want to say if u are a potential investors u might need to be alert about messages released from this corp since they can not even be sincere for this small thing. We need information, even CCP claims that they changed their minds and now want to "encourge" skill extraction is better than current status-at least there is a reason and CCP is being honest.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2170
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Posted - 2017.05.11 16:07:55 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principles and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP. the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault. Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one. I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principal and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base. CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best. I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principles and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not! No it wasn't handled properly, but if it was something that only came up at the last minute, the lack of warning makes sense. "last minute"? Well....
In my company we won't release new version of software if it affects our customers in a bad way. And usually ALL the features we offer and sell are being tested and verified weeks before release. And no critical bugs (critical for us means that more than 1-2 customers complained) live in production for more than couple days. Because this is priority. As software developer i know it well because i'm one of those who solves customer reports.
Compare it to CCP.... Yeah, definitely "they are not perfect"... I would say it's just how they treat their customer base. Golden goose. That's speaks it well.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33378
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:09:45 -
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March rabbit wrote: I would say it's just how they treat their customer base. Golden goose. That's speaks it well.
As this.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1632
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:52:52 -
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Matsu Fumiko wrote:...since the old one was closed.
That was just ISD Max Trix trying to fetch beer for CCP Phantom.
No beer for CCP Phantom until this is fixed!
Remove standings and insurance.
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Kinga Artrald
Radioactive Industry Division
4
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:38:09 -
[28] - Quote
It's definitely caused me some issues. I sold my main to fund separate characters to have a bit more focus. Ended up getting half of what I paid for. Now my isk is in someone elses hands as well as the characters said isk purchased because they can't transfer with plex so just opened a ticket (supposedly) and MIA.
-ISD converstations, no help, open a ticket they say -Multiple tickets created -Over a week without response -One response from GM which wasn't all that helpful
I don't think I would be as upset if it weren't for the horrible support offering.
Their game, their rules, but I do have a suggestion for CCP -Maybe up your response times on support tickets. I mean, in general, people aren't happy unless they are @#$@# (complaining) about something, but satisfied and happy customers fill those pockets. At least try to establish better SLA on your support and provide additional options for submission. (like it would be nice to be notified when a response was done by a GM 10 days later and you've lost all hope on the support ticket so you can get back a response right away). I feel like I may be waiting another 10 days for a second response. How long will it be for corrective action? I would think modifying the quantity from 2 to 1000 for plex character transfers would be pretty easy. How is that a technical issue? Or is It a problem with a website vendor and things like that. Specific details in problems for your customer base is always a good thing. Customers love transparency.
I'm getting to the point I want to cancel all my accounts and just move on because I've had such little response and luck in getting assistance.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11012
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Posted - 2017.05.11 19:31:25 -
[29] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. Let me reiterate what I said previously.
CCP had no problem getting over the "technical limitation" when it came to filling their wallets with PLEX for Alliance Tournament registrations. But for some reason doing the same thing for the Character Bazaar is an insurmountable hurdle?
I can't wait for the song and dance to explain that one.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1632
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Posted - 2017.05.11 19:51:58 -
[30] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. Let me reiterate what I said previously. CCP had no problem getting over the "technical limitation" when it came to filling their wallets with PLEX for Alliance Tournament registrations. But for some reason doing the same thing for the Character Bazaar is an insurmountable hurdle? I can't wait for the song and dance to explain that one. Mr Epeen That was most likely his weakest post I've ever read on these forums.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
118
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Posted - 2017.05.11 20:00:42 -
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March rabbit wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Christina Carter wrote:I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.
It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.
I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.
I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principles and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP. the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault. Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one. I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principal and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base. CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best. I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principles and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not! No it wasn't handled properly, but if it was something that only came up at the last minute, the lack of warning makes sense. "last minute"? Well.... In my company we won't release new version of software if it affects our customers in a bad way. And usually ALL the features we offer and sell are being tested and verified weeks before release. And no critical bugs ( critical for us means that more than 1-2 customers complained) live in production for more than couple days. Because this is priority. As software developer i know it well because i'm one of those who solves customer reports. Compare it to CCP.... Yeah, definitely "they are not perfect"... I would say it's just how they treat their customer base. Golden goose. That's speaks it well.
I've worked for several companies as a programmer... and I've always experienced places more like CCP and less like your experience. Deadlines are deadlines. If you need to ship with defects and fix afterwards... that's what you do in order to meet the deadline.
I'd love to work for a company that works the way you describe yours... but I haven't found one yet. I've given up in fact.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5847
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Posted - 2017.05.11 20:36:56 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:March rabbit wrote: I would say it's just how they treat their customer base. Golden goose. That's speaks it well.
As this.
They need to sell the company while VR still is hot, because other than VR (which was a happy accident), their only asset is EVE Online, and EO is not very appealing to potential investors. |
Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
57
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Posted - 2017.05.11 23:01:23 -
[33] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA
Breach of the EULA would be one player paying another player for ISK (or any other ingame item or service) in real currency.
The character bazaar is the only trade 'out of game' between players authorized and monitored by CCP. You trade an ingame item (player character) with another player's ingame item (ISK), then pay a fee to CCP for the transfer. Nothing wrong with that unless you can show me bank statements where you paid or were paid in real currency for anything ingame.
I await patiently for your proof.
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Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.05.12 01:18:04 -
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At least our CSM (who were not informed propperly) is going to CCP with this issue and supports our statement that transfer of a character per plex should be restored. I wish them all the luck they can get. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47752
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Posted - 2017.05.12 02:36:43 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. Let me reiterate what I said previously. CCP had no problem getting over the "technical limitation" when it came to filling their wallets with PLEX for Alliance Tournament registrations. But for some reason doing the same thing for the Character Bazaar is an insurmountable hurdle? I can't wait for the song and dance to explain that one. Mr Epeen Actually, at this point there has been no payment of any PLEX to enter the AT.
We don't have any confirmation yet that this is resolved for the AT.
CCP might very well still be working on a solution, or might end up with a way that can't apply to character transfer (eg. Requires manual transfer from CCP's side and not an automated process...we just don't know yet). |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11014
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Posted - 2017.05.12 03:31:02 -
[36] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. Let me reiterate what I said previously. CCP had no problem getting over the "technical limitation" when it came to filling their wallets with PLEX for Alliance Tournament registrations. But for some reason doing the same thing for the Character Bazaar is an insurmountable hurdle? I can't wait for the song and dance to explain that one. Mr Epeen Actually, at this point there has been no payment of any PLEX to enter the AT. We don't have any confirmation yet that this is resolved for the AT. CCP might very well still be working on a solution, or might end up with a way that can't apply to character transfer (eg. Requires manual transfer from CCP's side and not an automated process...we just don't know yet). Interpret the following however you want, but what it says is what it says.
CCP wrote: Signups for teams are open as of this news item, and prospective teams can have their alliance executor fill out this form. Signups are open until 2017-05-23 23:59UTC. We will be offering places similar to last year, with the top 16 teams returning from AT XIV having the option to directly enter the tournament at a cost of 2500 PLEX. Any slots unused by returning teams will be distributed in the secret auction.
16 additional spots in the tournament will be available in a secret auction that opens as of this news item and closes on 2017-05-23 23:59 with the team signups. Minimum bid for the secret auction is 2500 PLEX, and bids are only accepted in increments of 250 PLEX. Initial bids are made via the signup form. In the event of tied bids, the bid submitted first will be accepted. Auction results will be announced on 2017-05-24.
The final 32 positions in the tournament will be awarded based on feeder rounds using the AT XV rules (including a maximum team size of 10 pilots) but with minor differences. The format of the feeder rounds will depend on the number of teams entering. These rounds will be played on 2017-06-10 and 2017-06-11 on Thunderdome. Entry to the tournament through the feeder round costs a 2500 PLEX deposit, which will be refunded if the team competes and does not win their matches in the feeder round.
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3989
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Posted - 2017.05.12 04:38:12 -
[37] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Interpret the following however you want, but what it says is what it says. Sure..... but that doesn't mean it's not true what Scipio said. Right now those Plex are still in players hands, and if it's a manual contract to a CCP character or a manual DB edit, those probably are not viable for character transfers, given the difference between 16 manual edits in a year & how many character transfers? Or CCP may be anticipating solving the technical issue in the near future.
It's certainly not an ideal situation having them drop this with such short notice, but *shrug*. If you relied on selling a character 'this week' in order to keep playing EVE, that's a good indication that there are problems with the nature of the character Bazaar and that it should be shut down frankly. |
Harute Zateki
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.05.12 07:02:19 -
[38] - Quote
i had 4 toons i wanted to sell then this change hits and im like **** i aint wastin 80.00 on transfer fee's ill just wait till ccp fixes the issue |
Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2017.05.13 00:12:42 -
[39] - Quote
Harute Zateki wrote:i had 4 toons i wanted to sell then this change hits and im like **** i aint wastin 80.00 on transfer fee's ill just wait till ccp fixes the issue
Did you file a ticket?
I did and no response yet!?!
It bothers me to the max that CCP has total radiosilence over this issue.
What do you think?
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Samurai Minamoto-no Yoshitsune
Malum Mortuus Nuclear Confusion
0
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Posted - 2017.05.14 02:06:24 -
[40] - Quote
Is CCP giving any timeline on corresting the problem with the new plex? |
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Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
2
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Posted - 2017.05.15 09:02:04 -
[41] - Quote
Samurai Minamoto-no Yoshitsune wrote:Is CCP giving any timeline on corresting the problem with the new plex? No, and it will be much better for me if they give one. Even a brief one like late July or something would be acceptable.
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Servants Lord
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.05.15 11:34:14 -
[42] - Quote
I wanted to sell this toon but realized that I can't due to this feature removed. Anything I can do besides paying real money? |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
125
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Posted - 2017.05.15 12:47:14 -
[43] - Quote
Servants Lord wrote:I wanted to sell this toon but realized that I can't due to this feature removed. Anything I can do besides paying real money?
Options:
1 - real money 2 - wait and hope they fix it 3 - use extractors to extract the skills and sell the injectors instead of selling the toon whole. |
Matsu Fumiko
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
1926
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Posted - 2017.05.15 13:01:02 -
[44] - Quote
Okay, since it is obvious that CCP wants a Cato within ist player base: ("Ceterum censeo....")
Again: Do you plan to make PayPal available? Is it taken into account?
Teilnahme ab 18! Glücksspiel kann süchtig machen!
www.spielen-mit-verantwortung.de
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot
126
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Posted - 2017.05.15 14:16:42 -
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Before injectors : "wahh CCP we just want to be able to sell certain skills, I dont want my mining skills anymore!" After injectors : "waahhhh CCP I don't want to mess around with extracting certain skills, I am a (farmer/trader/leech on the economy) and I just wanna sell the whole account (for free)"
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