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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
916
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:20:52 -
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My question is why CVA is protecting their own members in cost of others in Providence Coalition?
CVA member can do pretty much anything. He can swear loyalty to Sansha, Sani Sabik, Purity of Throne, I have seen these all. CVA does nothing. It is like normal day of their lives.
They however boast to be some kind of Amarr Loyalist Alliance. They live on past glory. CVA members are allowed to do anything, that is direct assault against Proviblock ships or sovreignity on stars. It really does not matter. I have raised over twenty trial over clear heresy against CVA member during current reign, and perhaps 4 has been answered. 1 was many, many years ago, when Sir Daedalus himself expelled Sani Sabik worshipper. Most recent have happened within 1,5 years when I, Lord Vaari have caused enought fuss for officials to do something against accused.
When it comes people outside of CVA, justice is merciless. Even if I ask mercy, it is not given to the accused. Recent victim am I, Lord Vaari for purely political motives. I was too difficult for especially Xhjfxx the Terrible, who set me on kos. After KOS set, I have been promised over 56 billion isk to cover my losses in hands of CVA. Most highest single promise of cover is 10 billion isk.
CVA should decide if they want to be amarrian loyalist or not. It is entirely allowed not to be amarrian loyalist alliance, but it is not allowed to pretend to be, when faitful people are fooled.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Madhatter's Tea House Arx Alliance
59
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:40:23 -
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The following question is not of my corporation or alliance, but rather my own.
What evidence do you have hat anyone of CVA gave their backing to Nation? That is a serious accusation of itself if current and true.
I'll let others ask about the other matters... |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
916
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Posted - 2017.05.11 17:42:20 -
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Yoshitaka Moromuo wrote:The following question is not of my corporation or alliance, but rather my own.
What evidence do you have hat anyone of CVA gave their backing to Nation? That is a serious accusation of itself if current and true.
I'll let others ask about the other matters...
Good question. None. As I have no evidence of anything else, since I have been removed from CVA forums.
PIE representatives, like Lady Newelle can confrim that CVA is not loyalist alliance. If they are something, it is more like Amrr Aligned alliance.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3543
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:01:10 -
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Vaari wrote:My question is why CVA is protecting their own members in cost of others in Providence Coalition?
Funny, I thought it was "Why CVA can be heretic, but others cant?"
Either way, the answer is simple. Iti s direct. And it is you.
Yes, YOU. You, Lord Vaari, are the reason CVA members can behave this way, and others cannot. It's all because of that thing you do every night. You know the one. The one that's so vile, so disturbing, that not even the IGS can handle open discussion of it. So utterly revolting and beyond the pale that not even a Goon can speak of it without vomiting.
It's you. That's the answer you're seeing, Lord Vaari.
Why can CVA members get away with all of these things? Because of you. |
Shalishaska Laoch
Rock Miner Industries Silent Infinity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:01:29 -
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I should not be commenting as my voice carries little weight. However I will not stand by while CVA assaults my brothers and sisters while insulting the very idea of Providence. Take a trip around Lowsec. Especially around Amarr. You would have to be blind to miss what's going on there. Take a trip around Providence. Watch CVA's defense fleets chase 'rogue blues' like dogs while ignoring Red Fleets. There are honorable and decent individuals within CVA and I do not wish to paint the entire Alliance with the same brush as the cancer within it. However, those within CVA do know what's going on. I implore that Providence as a whole to take care of this issue as it is not just between CVA and Lord Vaari. We all know what's going on as it has been going on for some time. A little respect and honesty may remedy this issue and make ProvBloc stronger in the future. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
895
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:30:36 -
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Because CVA does not actually give a damn about the Empire.
Next question.
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
917
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:47:33 -
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Song to leaders of the Providence coalition alliances.
Leaders! The time has come to be alive In the ProviBlock, where we will thrive With our brothers.
Leaders remind That time will not unwind. The xhjfxGÇÖs crooked spine, Will never straighten into line.
What we plea will be A faithful end decree, Where a man will not retreat From the defeat of his fathers.
Leaders! A time has come for battle lines. We will cut these knotted ties, And some may live and some may die.
Leaders, come to me Leaders, come to me Leaders, come to see Can-a you, can-a you come to see, As you once were blind In the light now you can sing? In our strength we can rely, And history will not repeat.
Leaders, come to me Leaders, come to me Leaders, come to see Can-a you, can-a you come to see, As you once were blind In the light now you can sing? In our strength we can rely, And history will not repeat.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae
36
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Posted - 2017.05.12 10:29:34 -
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Shalishaska Laoch wrote:I should not be commenting as my voice carries little weight. However I will not stand by while CVA assaults my brothers and sisters while insulting the very idea of Providence. Take a trip around Lowsec. Especially around Amarr. You would have to be blind to miss what's going on there. Take a trip around Providence. Watch CVA's defense fleets chase 'rogue blues' like dogs while ignoring Red Fleets. There are honorable and decent individuals within CVA and I do not wish to paint the entire Alliance with the same brush as the cancer within it. However, those within CVA do know what's going on. I implore that Providence as a whole to take care of this issue as it is not just between CVA and Lord Vaari. We all know what's going on as it has been going on for some time. A little respect and honesty may remedy this issue and make ProvBloc stronger in the future.
you know if you have some problems, you should not try to resolve it on public forum. because it looks like 5th column in the time of war. I think Goonswarm Lady has right, Cva right now dont need inside conflicts and Lord Vaari ignite them and this is beyound rpg and just to destructive.
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Alia Nadasdy
Imperial's Capsulers
9
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Posted - 2017.05.12 11:21:57 -
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Loyalists. Ugh !!!
"We are the Harbingers of hope, We are the Sword of the Righteous"
"We are a shadow of the former greatness of the Empire"
Purist Lord Admiral Victor
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Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1047
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Posted - 2017.05.12 12:33:21 -
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My Dearest Lord Vaari,
You ask questions now that have been put forth by those like the Praetorians for many years.
I myself made Cardinal as a member of CVA. I departed soon after because there simply was no Calling in Service to the Faith to be found there, a point Alliance leaders made loudly clear to the Clergy on many occasions.
Given that your Lordship conducts his household and affairs like a YC20's-era Holder, it may take you a while to catch up to this revelation that the rest of us have understood for a mere decade or so.
Thus, when you declare to the Empyrean world that CVA is not a Beacon of the Faith Unto Creation, there is an urge to smile wryly, pat you on the back, and warmly welcome your Lordship to the Present Age. Your wardrobe is soooo last century.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
166
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Posted - 2017.05.12 12:57:35 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Because CVA does not actually give a damn about the Empire.
Next question.
Perhaps at one time...
Now almost forgotten.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1237
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Posted - 2017.05.12 13:32:23 -
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Lord Vaari,
It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.
"Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal. Usually, it's aimed at people they don't like, who aren't serving the way it's believed they should serve.
A true heretic goes against not just the letter of God in the Scriptures, but against the spirit of the meaning as well. It's entirely probable that groups like CVA are ungodly, but are they heretical as a whole? No. If they were Sabik, if they spoke out against God, then yes.
Remember, for three hundred years, the Khanid Kingdom was separate from the greater Empire. We made ties with the Caldari State. We were often called heretics. But we served God first and foremost and now we have reunification with the Empire. If we were really such heretics, would the Kingdom have been so welcomed back? Would Khanid II?
There is a difference between heretic and heathen.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3559
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Posted - 2017.05.12 14:44:25 -
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Punctator wrote:you know if you have some problems, you should not try to resolve it on public forum. because it looks like 5th column in the time of war. I think Goonswarm Lady has right, Cva right now dont need inside conflicts and Lord Vaari ignite them and this is beyound rpg and just to destructive.
Honestly, if he's got problems with CVA not engaging red fleets, he should talk to Jin'taan. He might find out, for example, that multiple fleets of 'reds' coming from the direction of, say, Delve (purely as a hypothetical example) are actually moving through hunting Waffles and PanFam on the offchance they turn up to defend a bunch of cits they got Specrefleet to drop for timers and potential stagers.
Hypothetically. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3559
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Posted - 2017.05.12 14:47:34 -
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Graelyn wrote:Your wardrobe is soooo last century.
The glasses are kinda goofy, too. I mean, I've got my welding goggles, and of course, the aviators for when I'm hung over, but corrective lenses? Really?
Also, Sinjin...
Sinjin Mokk wrote: "Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal.
I think you should look in on the 'fighting' between the Sani and the Purists. They're both calling one another heretics. It ain't just the loyalists who like that word. |
Erika Wallker
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2017.05.12 15:36:58 -
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Arrendis wrote:Graelyn wrote:Your wardrobe is soooo last century. The glasses are kinda goofy, too. I mean, I've got my welding goggles, and of course, the aviators for when I'm hung over, but corrective lenses? Really? Also, Sinjin... Sinjin Mokk wrote: "Heretic" is a word that gets thrown around by "loyalist" factions a great deal.
I think you should look in on the 'fighting' between the Sani and the Purists. They're both calling one another heretics. It ain't just the loyalists who like that word.
What is a loyalist and what is a heretic? Each persons faith labels the other a heretic, yet those that stand with them are loyalists. It is all a matter of perspective.
Is Providence the same religious region it once was, probably not. Times and pilots change in New Eden. If however the empire or our amarrian allies are ever under grave threat I have no doubt we will help them. Is that not being Loyal?
I do not want to get into the accusation that Mr. Vaari has made in the post, I trust you all know him well enough to make your own decision on the validity of these charges. Right now, there are more important tasks to be done in Providence.
Amarr Victor! Erika Wallker
Pentag Blade!
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ChristianBlood Blood
ExDominion Evictus.
11
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Posted - 2017.05.12 16:26:57 -
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Lord Vaari,
It appears sir that you are at an impasse. You had been cautioned and counseled on various occasions regarding your behavior. In your arrogance and pride you failed to head to these censures, which directly corresponds to your current circumstance. You sir knew that your actions would possibly make you an enemy of Providence; sadly your vanity has blinded you to the reality that you have created dear sir. You are master of your fate, you are the director of your actions sir, you!
I suggest that you begin to move your assets elsewhere, from Providence. This should have been your priority from the onset of this situation. Perhaps you can explore the Great Wildlands, or perhaps the fine people in PIE, will tolerate you insolence and audacity for some time. Perhaps you may find a fine group of Amarrian pilots that you will find a new home with.
Regardless of that sir, I do believe the time has come for you to stop wasting your time and that of these fine people in Galnet and begin the healing process of moving on.
Yours In Service,
ChristianBlood Blood
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
919
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Posted - 2017.05.13 14:11:55 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Lord Vaari,
It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.
No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3567
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Posted - 2017.05.13 14:26:22 -
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Vaari wrote: No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.
Well, then given the Empress' welcome of Sanmatar Shakor, it seems God wants you to get over yourself and tolerate the heathen among you. So maybe you should tolerate CVA? |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
919
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Posted - 2017.05.13 14:36:29 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote: No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.
Well, then given the Empress' welcome of Sanmatar Shakor, it seems God wants you to get over yourself and tolerate the heathen among you. So maybe you should tolerate CVA?
My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
981
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Posted - 2017.05.14 00:05:14 -
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Wow Mister Vaari! You must really hate the CVA!
It pales in comparison to how much I hate Pandemic Horde. But it's pretty close though! |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3585
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Posted - 2017.05.14 00:35:42 -
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Vaari wrote: My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.
Ah, but don't the Scriptures teach that once, all people lived in unity with God? I mean, that's the whole reason it's called the Reclaiming, not 'the Claiming'GÇöbecause some rejected God to follow other beliefs. And so wouldn't that mean that all heathens are heretics? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1663
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Posted - 2017.05.14 00:40:08 -
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Well, old shinyhead here might as well get in on the ground floor. Provi's going to actually burn pretty hard soon enough anyway, as the big boys come for it. Provi's main saving grace all these years have been that the space isn't all that valuable compared to most alternatives, but given the rumors of the value bump the old stations are getting there'll be a lot of big boys with big toys and big numbers coming to carve out their slice of what is a relatively soft cake.
Providence has tenacity and grit in spades, I'll grant them that, but that region is going to be unrecognizable and it won't be all that long until that happens.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3585
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Posted - 2017.05.14 00:45:11 -
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Eh, we all know what's coming. Well, those of us with an eye for it do. But I expect that Providence will remain more or less the same as it is now. Once the initial burn is concluded, no-one is going to care to stay. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.14 12:15:50 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote: My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.
Ah, but don't the Scriptures teach that once, all people lived in unity with God? I mean, that's the whole reason it's called the Reclaiming, not 'the Claiming'GÇöbecause some rejected God to follow other beliefs. And so wouldn't that mean that all heathens are heretics?
No. Heresies are twisted form on Imperial Faith, like sani sabik. There are also other religions who have no relation at all to the true faith. Heresies are much more dangerous.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3590
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Posted - 2017.05.14 13:20:42 -
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Vaari wrote: No. Heresies are twisted form on Imperial Faith, like sani sabik. There are also other religions who have no relation at all to the true faith. Heresies are much more dangerous.
Oh, but come now, the Sani have only been at it a very short time, comparatively. Surely if all humanity was once in harmony with God, you can see how the Caldari Winds might be a perversion of God's voice, or how the Sebiestor concepts of Ohnesh and Andesh could easily reflect corruptions of the material world's fallen nature and the divine plan for humanity's eventual return to harmony with God.
And the Achurian 'Totality' that Aria and Morgana are in disagreement about, surely that in itself is a missaplication of uunity with God, no? |
Valkorsia
IONSTAR Yulai Federation
39
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Posted - 2017.05.14 14:25:31 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Well, old shinyhead here might as well get in on the ground floor. Provi's going to actually burn pretty hard soon enough anyway, as the big boys come for it. Provi's main saving grace all these years have been that the space isn't all that valuable compared to most alternatives, but given the rumors of the value bump the old stations are getting there'll be a lot of big boys with big toys and big numbers coming to carve out their slice of what is a relatively soft cake.
Providence has tenacity and grit in spades, I'll grant them that, but that region is going to be unrecognizable and it won't be all that long until that happens.
Mercenary Coalition, recently deployed to Providence for almost three months, found out just how soft the cake was, eh? Your statistical summary just against Yulai Federation alone was embarrassing, to say the least.
March, 2017- isk efficiency - 35.34% February, 2017 - isk efficiency 22.82% January, 2017 - isk efficiency 24.58% --
MC lost almost 180 billion isk in ships and couldn't get better than 35% efficiency in three months of deployment.
Do stop by again.
--
As to the charges brought by Lord Vaari, his actions here should be reviewed by a senior holder.
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1238
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Posted - 2017.05.14 14:37:45 -
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Vaari wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:Lord Vaari,
It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.
No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.
But Khanid?
Also, I didn't see Providence empty in support of the Empire during the Sansha resurgence or even when the Drifters executed the previous Empress.
So to some, the Empress and Empire are a direct link to His Grace. History though, says otherwise.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3592
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Posted - 2017.05.14 16:14:35 -
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Valkorsia wrote: Mercenary Coalition, recently deployed to Providence for almost three months, found out just how soft the cake was, eh? Your statistical summary just against Yulai Federation alone was embarrassing, to say the least.
March, 2017- isk efficiency - 35.34% February, 2017 - isk efficiency 22.82% January, 2017 - isk efficiency 24.58% --
MC lost almost 180 billion isk in ships and couldn't get better than 35% efficiency in three months of deployment.
Do stop by again.
Are you really relying on killboard efficiency as a metric of success? What were MC's objectives? Did they achieve them? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1666
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Posted - 2017.05.14 16:46:45 -
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I dearly hope you don't think MC is anywhere near 'big boys' status, Valk. We stay reasonably small by design and are most certainly not numerous enough to go solo Providence. You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later.
No, we most certainly got the worst end of the efficiency ratings when we last visited Providence and bothered waiting around for the hostile formups. Usually took an hour or two, but our 60-120 man fleets could eventually get fights once Provi had enough time to form big, or we'd just have to bash and go home.
I would have thought getting visitors so willing to fight outnumbered would have been welcome, rather than something to get so huffy about? |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
416
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:16:37 -
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Oh you just wait for arti baddons. |
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Valkorsia
IONSTAR Yulai Federation
41
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Posted - 2017.05.14 18:35:58 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I dearly hope you don't think MC is anywhere near 'big boys' status, Valk. We stay reasonably small by design and are most certainly not numerous enough to go solo Providence. You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later. No, we most certainly got the worst end of the efficiency ratings when we last visited Providence and bothered waiting around for the hostile formups. Usually took an hour or two, but our 60-120 man fleets could eventually get fights once Provi had enough time to form big, or we'd just have to bash and go home. I would have thought getting visitors so willing to fight outnumbered would have been welcome, rather than something to get so huffy about?
Actually, it was fun for everyone, including MC, I hope. There were a lot of good fights.
Providence has been around many years, and we do have grit. If they come, they come. We'll deal with it. Somehow, Providence has always adapted. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3595
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Posted - 2017.05.14 19:33:28 -
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Valkorsia wrote: Providence has been around many years, and we do have grit. If they come, they come.
Don't worry, they will. Possibly in greater numbers than what came for us in the north.
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae
36
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Posted - 2017.05.15 23:42:06 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later.
and how many hp unanhored fortizar has?
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3623
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Posted - 2017.05.15 23:58:41 -
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Punctator wrote:and how many hp unanhored fortizar has?
Do you really think MC is what you have to worry about? |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.18 05:13:47 -
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How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3688
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Posted - 2017.05.18 05:31:40 -
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Vaari wrote:How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?
It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)...
... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance.
However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it:
Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them?
Just, you know, a thought. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.18 05:35:21 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is? It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)... ... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance. However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it: Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them? Just, you know, a thought.
Yes. However, history proofs they are not.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Erika Wallker
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
14
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Posted - 2017.05.18 05:55:03 -
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Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is? It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)... ... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance. However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it: Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them? Just, you know, a thought.
Sounds like a really good idea!
Pentag Blade!
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.18 06:16:40 -
[39] - Quote
Erika Wallker wrote:Arrendis wrote:Vaari wrote:How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is? It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)... ... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance. However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it: Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them? Just, you know, a thought. Sounds like a really good idea!
You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3688
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Posted - 2017.05.18 06:28:20 -
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Vaari wrote: You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter.
Well, see, the key to getting your way in an organization where you hold no real power is to be someone the line guys like, and present your ideas in a way that gets people interested in your ideas. Then, once it's not you asking for something, but you and the thousand dudes who think it'd be cool... people tend to listen.
But, you know, I don't know anything about getting things done in groups of spergy morons who barely know how to work together or align. [/sarcasm] |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
923
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Posted - 2017.05.18 06:43:45 -
[41] - Quote
Vaari wrote:You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter. And why should they pay attention to you if you do not actually matter?
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.18 09:03:24 -
[42] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Vaari wrote:You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter. And why should they pay attention to you if you do not actually matter?
I bring up things that matter, or at least should matter if you are amarrian loyalist.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
923
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Posted - 2017.05.18 09:18:29 -
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I thought everyone knew by now CVA isn't, unless it gives them a PR edge? |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
921
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Posted - 2017.05.18 09:24:45 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I thought everyone knew by now CVA isn't, unless it gives them a PR edge?
That what i have been saying and thats why im now kos.
Im extremely tolerant with heathens like you about what you do because you dont claim to be carrier of the torch of the Amarr Empire. I would like to see you convert to true faith, but I dont expect you to follow it. Nor I expect you to revere Here Imperial Majesty, since she is not your liege, yet.
However CVA claims to be many things and they very much like to shine as a amarrian loyalists. I expect them very much different thing than from you and if those expectations are met with behaviour that is expected from you, Im very disappointed. That is the case and root of the problem.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2017.05.18 10:54:01 -
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Vaari wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]However CVA claims to be many things and they very much like to shine as a amarrian loyalists. I expect them very much different thing than from you and if those expectations are met with behaviour that is expected from you, Im very disappointed. That is the case and root of the problem. I understand your trouble with it, obviously.
The question is knowing what you know of them, why do you expect CVA to care when you say so? |
Vaari
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Posted - 2017.05.18 11:45:07 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Vaari wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]However CVA claims to be many things and they very much like to shine as a amarrian loyalists. I expect them very much different thing than from you and if those expectations are met with behaviour that is expected from you, Im very disappointed. That is the case and root of the problem. I understand your trouble with it, obviously. The question is knowing what you know of them, why do you expect CVA to care when you say so?
I dont. It is however my duty to remind them that they are acting against the Empire when they pretend to be loyalists while they sre not. If they ignore that, i tell it to then louder.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
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Posted - 2017.05.18 11:54:38 -
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Well, good luck on your chosen path, then. |
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