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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:09:56 -
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It's admittedly been a pretty long time since I bothered trying to fly the jackdaw. It was before the tactical dessi nerfs when I last tried one. I finally decided to work on some new fits for one in pyfa today though and holy hell! It's been turned into a 30 mil isk frigate hull that cant even fit into a small fw plex.
EHP is as low and even less than some frigates, dps is a little above par but can be matched by a faction frigate, speed is terrible. with the woeful inadequacy of lml dessi's kite frigates are just ridiculously difficult to counter. The only platform even remotely worthwhile seems to be the interdictors. Cost aside, a flycatcher is MUCH faster than a jackdaw, does similar dps, has equal ehp, can fit into a small plex AND doesn't require mode changes. I can understand there were some redic tanks possible pre nerf but come on. Why even leave a shp in the game as poor as the jackdaw, not to mention it's little brother the corax... it's not even worth wasting time in pyfa trying to find a fit for it that isn't completely useless. When a dessi hull is easily soloable by a t1 frig something is broken.
If anyone has any fits that aren't complete garbage pls share.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.05.11 19:14:07 -
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You do know you can triple MASB tank a jackdaw right?
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
708
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Posted - 2017.05.11 19:31:39 -
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Active tanks are nice for 1v1 stuff but I tend to end up fighting outnumbered. In those cases buffer fits work better. I'll take a look at 3asb fits though. Was just really shocked that w lightmissiles you really cant fit even a med shield extender. Heck frigates use med shield extenders.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.05.11 20:32:52 -
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I'm at work right and don't have access to an easy fitting tool. I'll pull it then.
But something seems wrong if your having troubles fitting a full rack of missiles.
Also don't shun rockets on a jackdaw. They are not bad at all.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
708
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Posted - 2017.05.11 21:07:17 -
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They are if your goal is to counter kiting frigates doing 3-6km/s at a range of 20km.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.05.11 21:30:40 -
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Then wouldn't a fessor be better suited for that task?
Regardless I think your fitting skills are little off, you should be able to fit a full rack of LML a MWD and MASB no problem.
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JC Mieyli
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.05.11 22:17:29 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Then wouldn't a fessor be better suited for that task? i think this applies to all things in eve |
Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
708
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Posted - 2017.05.11 22:26:51 -
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Nothing wrong w the skills I assure you. Ship is just bad. As for the fessor I prefer missile alpha and less application problems vs fessor beams.
Daemun of Khanid
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2017.05.11 22:50:38 -
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Seriously, what are you trying to fit on this thing? I'm not seeing any issues. Yes, you might need some fitting mods to get everything on but there's more than enough space, even for a 2-BCU 10MN fit with a meta MSE. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:09:56 -
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Here's Triple MASB Jackdaw. Needs a 2% CPU implants, which are cheap, 274 with rage, 2.5kms in prop mode. Your tanking 200dps with each MASB.
[Jackdaw, Jackdaw 3xMASB]
Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket [Empty High slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
And here's a LML Jackdaw cobbled together rather quickly. Has a tech 2 MSE, and just uses a PDS. Or you Meta the MSE and had a nanofiber in.
13.5k tank, 182dps with faction and 2.4kms
[Jackdaw, Jackdaw fit]
Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Medium Shield Extender II Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [Empty High slot]
Small Core Defense Field Extender II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
I have no idea what you trying to fit on your Jackdaw but you're doing something wrong
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
708
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:11:20 -
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[Jackdaw, new]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Initiated Compact Warp Disruptor Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot]
Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Even with the compact mwd and long point and using geno's thats still 15 cpu over.
Daemun of Khanid
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
709
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:17:05 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Here's Triple MASB Jackdaw. Needs a 2% CPU implants, which are cheap, 274 with rage, 2.5kms in prop mode. Your tanking 200dps with each MASB.
[Jackdaw, Jackdaw 3xMASB]
Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Nova Rage Rocket [Empty High slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II Small Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
And here's a LML Jackdaw cobbled together rather quickly. Has a tech 2 MSE, and just uses a PDS. Or you Meta the MSE and had a nanofiber in.
13.5k tank, 182dps with faction and 2.4kms
[Jackdaw, Jackdaw fit]
Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Medium Shield Extender II Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [Empty High slot]
Small Core Defense Field Extender II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
I have no idea what you trying to fit on your Jackdaw but you're doing something wrong
Do you even realize both those fits have 6 mids? Unless PYFA is currently jacked, current pyfa has 5 mids and 3 lows vs the 6 mids and 2 lows you're using. Looks like you are using pre t3 nerf fittings.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
2818
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:18:48 -
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AH **** HOLD up.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
709
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:19:16 -
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PYFA isn't jacked, you're using pre nerf jackdaw fittings. Pre nerf I had no problems... its now that sucks.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
2818
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:22:30 -
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[Jackdaw, Unnamed loadout] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II [empty high slot]
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Boop there you go, you dont need a damage control on everyship nowadays so you can move a nano into it.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
709
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:25:03 -
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For example, if I basically modify that buffer fit you posted to make it fit on a jackdaw compared to an almost identical flycatcher fit... Jackdaw (in prop mode w my geno set and hardwires for speed) 2384 m/s 230 dps 12k ehp
Flycatcher 2825 m/s 244 dps 12.2k ehp
Point being the jackdaw is supposed to be a combat dessi far more so that the interdiction capable flycatcher and instead the flycatcher out classes it pretty handily.
Daemun of Khanid
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:30:50 -
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Right but the Jackdaw can be more tankier with a switch of a button, or deal damage at longer ranges. That five second mode swap is really powerful.
T3D made a mess of small plex's when they were allowed in, I don't think they should be in, but that's not here or there. =3
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
709
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Posted - 2017.05.12 00:40:37 -
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Prenerf they didnt work in small, now they should. (Imo) Cant really deny that as they are now they are pretty worthless in fw. If your gonna go into a med plex youre gonna take a cruiser not a comparably weak purpose confused dessi.
Daemun of Khanid
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
3016
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Posted - 2017.05.12 01:19:49 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:[Jackdaw, new]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Initiated Compact Warp Disruptor Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II [Empty High slot]
Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Even with the compact mwd and long point and using geno's thats still 15 cpu over.
If you want the suitcase, drop the calefaction for an overclock II. At that point you can go for a T2 MWD as well.
If you drop the suitcase you can fit a nano or whatever and it fits. |
Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
709
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Posted - 2017.05.12 01:23:34 -
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Would lower the dps even further and the speed increase would be marginal. Right back to "just fly a Flycatcher."
Daemun of Khanid
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