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![Arrendis Arrendis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1535472905/portrait?size=64)
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3564
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Posted - 2017.05.12 22:58:31 -
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Speaking as someone who lived in j-space for an extended period, the mathematical odds of that phenonon happening randomly in infinitesimal.
That said? It's not impossible. And none of the evidence you've cited indicates the directionality of those connections. If all of those connections originate in the indicated system, that would be beyond any known consistent behavior of Anoikis. If, on the other hand, they're all K162s (ie: originating from the other C2 wormholes) then that's statistically unheard of... but feasible. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3564
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Posted - 2017.05.13 00:14:12 -
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Two points: First: the Drifters don't need to test theirs. They're Jovians. They understand very well how their wormhole generators work, and they've demonstrated that they can use them extremely accurately.
Second: It doesn't matter if this universe is real. We can only ever interact with the universe as our senses present it to us, so even if it's not real, there's no reason to behave as if it's not. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3566
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Posted - 2017.05.13 01:51:26 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: First: We know the Drifters have Jove biology. That they are Jove is another matter.
Before you can add an assumption, you have to demonstrate that the evidence we see demands it. Given that we know the Drifters are biologically and technologically Jovian, there's no reason to introduce the idea that their infomorphs have some other point of origin. The data doesn't require it. So to even put forth the idea is irresponsible and useless.
Quote: Second: Open your eyes and see, then you can talk about senses and how to interact with the dreamstate. You can bend the universe in certain ways with an adequated state. (And then you-¦ll realize that it is not the spoon that bends, only yourself. And then that there is no self)
DemonstrateGÇöin a repeatable, reliable, and falsifiable wayGÇöthat there is anything beyond the universe. Then we can talk about interacting with it. |
![Arrendis Arrendis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1535472905/portrait?size=64)
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3566
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Posted - 2017.05.13 13:38:41 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: What if one of those was a brief glimpse of an open door to Jove territory
You mean the Shattered Wormhole systems?
Cuz, that used to be Jovian space. It's been pretty solidly established that the stellography matches up exactly.
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![Arrendis Arrendis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1535472905/portrait?size=64)
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3568
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Posted - 2017.05.13 15:52:19 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Nope, i meant J7HZ-F region in K-Space.
I get the feeling you don't actually get how many Shattered systems there are. It's not just one region of Jovian space. It's the whole thing. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3568
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Posted - 2017.05.13 16:18:18 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Have any documented travel logs by capsuleers shown that a wormhole connected to K-space Jove systems to date, such as 3-CE1R system?
How about wormholes that connect to W477-P? Would you accept thoae?
Because that's Thera. Thera used to be W477-P. The Jovian stargates are gone. All of them. The worlds in the systems they were in were torn apart by whatever happened. They are the Shattered wormholes. The closest thing we've seen to an intact Jovian stargate since has been the lightning-charged debris fields at the heart of Drifter Hives. |
![Arrendis Arrendis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1535472905/portrait?size=64)
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3569
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Posted - 2017.05.13 16:58:41 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Now back to the original discussion:
- Since Thera is a well explored system, would you consider a wormhole leading to it something unusual? I don-¦t. - Since i don-¦t, i wouldn-¦t includ Thera in a "let-¦s wonder what kind of crazy stuff could be behind wormhole number 256" - Since my wonder and questions pointed to crazy stuff like "Different realities" "EVE Gate 2" "Jove Space (further specified J7HZ-F Region" i ask you one thing.
What the hell are you talking about? Because it-¦s another entirely different subject compared to what i-¦ve been writing.
See that third item there? 'crazy stuff' like 'Jove space'? That's what I was talking about. Wormholes going to Jove space aren't 'crazy stuff'. We see them every day, throughout the Shattered systems. Any Jove system you want to ask about? It's a Shattered now.
More, since we know the connections from the system in question were mapped, we knoe what was behind them. None of it was 'crazy stuff', it was... C2 wormholes. Known ones.
In effect, you've asked 'Imagine what crazy things we might find in our own pods!' There's no point to that. There's enough mystery about exactly what happened without adding more pointless specualtion... about things we already know. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3573
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Posted - 2017.05.13 20:09:44 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Are you saying that all the anomalies were explored in their brief appearance?
I'm saying that 16h, with a large number of different groups coming into the system, is more than enough time to explore a few hundred cosmic signatures (which are not cosmic anomalies), yes. Using a much cruder version of scan-probe technology, I used to explore 40-60 signatures in a single system in maybe 2h. I've had scanning chains of 40+ signatures in each system, 8+ systems deep, that I did on my own for the daily scanning. Between the entire very small j-space corp I was in at the time, 500+ sigs in a single 12-hour window was not uncommon.
While this many wormholes in one place is extremely rare, this many signatures is not a large amount to work through in the time-frame discussed. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3573
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Posted - 2017.05.13 22:44:02 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:[quote=Arrendis]I know it-¦s possible to do it. I asked if it was done.
Based on what we've been told? Yes, it appears to have been done.
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