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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3709
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:22:29 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: Only one option left find his source of income and stop the ISK flowing in his direction. We just need to find how he is financing his operations.
He could fund his operations effortlessly by station-trading. Have you ever actually tried to keep a capsuleer from making money? To do it, you need to more or less do what you'd need to do to keep a capsuleer from cloning: put him in a stasis tube, lock him away in a cargo container, and throw away the citadel the container's in, by stuffing it 70+ au away from the nearest celestial, perpendicular to the ecliptic, in a wormhole somewhere.
And then pray there isn't a 'If I'm out of touch for 30 days, soft-clone' provision in his clone contract the way a lot of us have. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
925
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:42:30 -
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That plan is terrible.
Astrahus without trimmings is is, what, 1B?
I am the most constantly broke old-timer capsuleer I know, and even I could finance what he's doing with 30 minutes work a day and without ever undocking once.
There are ways to control a capsuleer.
Problem here is they pretty much all presuppose he or she cares enough about some baseliner or other other non-upliftable, not easily replacable contact/asset that you can go after instead instead of going for the egghead directly. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1822
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:48:41 -
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Let's not start talking about crossing that line. It doesn't happen for a reason, much like mutually assured destruction scenarios. Take away that 'something to lose' from one capsuleer, and you've basically created an unkillable creature who can replenish their resources and assets in perpetuity... coming for whatever you hold dear.
The fact that this creature only ever have to succeed once to take away what you love, and you have to succeed every single time they make an attempt on it should be more than enough reason not to even contemplate crossing that line, hmm?
There's a reason I keep tabs on the baseliner interests of my enemies, that I know of. It's so I can avoid creating that doomsday scenario. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2190
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:01:10 -
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To cause a zealot to change their behaviour, when that zealot is demi-immortal, is possible, but difficult.
Very difficult.
One must present to them a vision which irrefutably contradicts their understanding of the universe, showing that everything they thought was flawed, and presenting an alternative.
In the pre-immortal era, similar events occurred, were considered to be a form of Divine Intervention, and usually resulted in the person so affected, becoming a Saint or Prophet.
So that is what you have to do.
Make the zealot open to suggestion, and then present an alternative that shatters their old belief, and constructs a new one.
That's how you stop an immortal zealot.
But, I'm not sure who is capable of inspiring such a Divine Revelation.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:02:13 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:That plan is terrible.
Astrahus without trimmings is is, what, 1B?
Just under, on the open market. If you're gonna be putting them down again and again like Napkins here, though, it's probably worth buying a BPC and producing them for around 750 or so. Maybe a little less. I'd need to check with GSOL on that.
Point is, it's basically a sneeze, yeah. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
925
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:03:08 -
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I mentioned it to make it pretty clear none of the existing ways to control a capsuleer are not applicable in this scenario. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:05:13 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:To cause a zealot to change their behaviour, when that zealot is demi-immortal, is possible, but difficult.
This really isn't all that complicated. If you want someone to change their behavior, you have to have one of two things:
1)Something they want. 2)Something they want to avoid.
You have to give them motivation to change their behavior. When what you do is already baked into their operating costs, then what you do is effectively nothing.
So figure out what he wants, or what he wants to avoid. Laying out any clearer would be breaking my word to Aria, though, so I'm leaving it there.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:10:15 -
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Valerie Valate wrote: One must present to them a vision which irrefutably contradicts their understanding of the universe, showing that everything they thought was flawed, and presenting an alternative.
Also, not for nothing, but you'd have to be able to prove the 'vision' isn't "Teh work of Mole-man the Deceiver" or whatever. IOW: you'd have to prove it's God. Which gets tricky, since you can't demonstrate your version of God is even his version of God or that either one of them is real. Since he's off in his own theological framework now with 'Naupliusism', there is literally nothing short of him changing his own mind that would qualify as persuasive to him.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2083
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Posted - 2017.05.19 18:39:14 -
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So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3769
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:28:11 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
I hope so. It'll be hilarious to watch. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1842
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:50:25 -
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Didn't that thing get reinforced by a bunch of tech one Frigates, anyway?
Scary scary blooders, having their installations knocked down by tech. one. frigates.
No wonder their capsuleers are just as ****. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3770
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:54:48 -
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Punishers, yes.
For clarity: we opted for Amarr frigates so that the weapons systems don't need to reload. It makes it easier for our guys to take a nap. |
Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75297
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:56:37 -
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I guess the blooders never thought about point defense cannons. Their faith in their twisted god must have been blinding them to common sense.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
820
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:05:08 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
I am having difficulty locating this speech. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3770
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:09:34 -
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Check the latest Scope feed. They're not talking about you, I promise. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
820
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:06:13 -
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Quote: "Molok, libeled as 'The Deceiver' by the false faith, was truer than any so-called 'True Amarr' follower of the corrupted throne squatters could ever be. He it was that understood the true nature of the universe. There is only one truth: power is all; naked, merciless force wielded by those with the will to grapple with it. We drink the blood of the powerful and the pure because to survive and advance we must feed on their energy and make it our own. This is the lesson of Molok. His failure is of no moment, his glimpse of the Great Truth is all that matters."
- Omir Sarikusa, Meditations on a Crimson Chalice
There is some truth in what Omir writes here. However, I believe him to be in error regarding Molok the Deceiver; rather, it is the example of the Emperor sacrificing Molok upon the Altar of God that we Chosen are to follow, not the example of Molok himself.
Thus, I cannot accept the Covenant's naming of the Titan the Molok class, and so I cannot condemn those who wish to destroy the Blood Raider facilities that manufacture these blasphemous vessels. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3772
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:12:03 -
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Omir Sarikusa wrote:GÇ£Empty is the night for the lost and the weak. How will you see with false faith blinding your eyes? How will you seize your destiny on bended knees? Lift yourselves up and look into your hearts. Is the blood that flows there pure? Or is it thin and corrupted by gold and the prattle of priests? Now is the time to shine in the light of the Red God! Now is the time to forge your destinies with blood and iron. The Covenant of Blood is the truth of the universe. Our Covenant is a beacon, set among the stars. Our foundries will blaze with the red flame of construction, as every new ship of war is baptized in blood and fire! Let our sacred work begin. Let your swords reap the harvest of the Great Truth! Become one with me in power and seize life eternal.GÇ¥
When asked for comment, a member of Goonswarm leadership replied, GÇ£Omir who?GÇ¥ |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
427
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Posted - 2017.05.19 22:41:38 -
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Isn't that like what they want "as every new ship of war is baptized in blood and fire, so their sacred work can begin etc. ".
A tad bit unrelated but what happened with Sanguina, wasn't she the Covenant sympathizer and with you? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1844
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:10:15 -
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Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints
Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3775
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:12:25 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing.
Status quo is still better'n letting TEST get away with 'em. |
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Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75301
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Posted - 2017.05.20 07:44:42 -
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Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing. Status quo is still better'n letting TEST get away with 'em.
Status quo is still better than letting anyone get it.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
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Posted - 2017.05.25 22:47:58 -
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Could someone enlighten me as to why Goonswarm blew up something they apparently hold some allegiance to? Maybe I'm just too far out of it all but that was my understanding. Perhaps my friendly-fire tactics are out of date. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
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Posted - 2017.05.25 23:15:39 -
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AEther Galatia wrote:Could someone enlighten me as to why Goonswarm blew up something they apparently hold some allegiance to?
What?
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
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Posted - 2017.05.25 23:39:49 -
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Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1030
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Posted - 2017.05.25 23:46:31 -
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AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now.
The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing.
The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious.
The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable.
I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot.
Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it.
Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:01:52 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing. The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious. The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable. I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot. Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it. Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong.
The fact you've not taught me anything I didn't already know is also remarkable... |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:03:55 -
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It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1031
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:05:29 -
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AEther Galatia wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing. The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious. The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable. I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot. Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it. Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong. The fact you've not taught me anything I didn't already know is also remarkable...
Knowledge of one's insignificance is usually a good thing.
It is not laid on anyone else to provide you with easily obtainable, public, information. Pull your thumb out of your arse and learn something.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:08:24 -
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AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now.
Tipping what?
Y'know, there's a lot of people out there who'd look at a guy in a one-man corp, losing citadels in high-sec, and think 'who the hel is this mouthbreather?' There are. If you stick around, you'll probably even meet some of them. Me, I prefer to think you're a cute newbie who really has no idea what he's suggesting, and really doesn't get just how that kind of phrasing comes across. Your corp info says you're into 'contacts' and 'information' all across New Eden, so lemme put you in contact with some information:
As a member of the alliance directorate, I can categorically state that no, we do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders. If we did, we'd have a really strange way of showing it, what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month.
Also, not everyone is as nice as I am, and if you take that tone with some of the folks around here, you might take a PIE to the face. Wait, no, lasers. PIE shoots lasers, not exploding pies. Mah bad. Also, deploying an Astrahus after only six months in space... not bad. Did you have help getting the money together, or just hard work? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:09:42 -
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AEther Galatia wrote:It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe.
Also, I'm pretty sure they know.
Arrendis wrote:what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month. |
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