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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
167
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Posted - 2017.05.16 06:37:31 -
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I stand before you all, a Savant of the Sani Sabik Faith.
The path I walk on is my own with few followers. I am not a Blood Raider, nor will I walk that path.
But I do stand before as a child of the Takmahl who started this journey for all those on the Road of Blood and follow the words in the Apocryphon.
This new Citadel in Caldari space signals the fall of one who claims the mantle of the Sani Sabik Savant.
Apocryphon, Lost Passages wrote:For all life is holy, and if a man revels in his own death he is become the Beast, And that man will come before the Beast after death, and stay at his knees forever.
It is the belief that Nauplius has succumbed to his dementia and now runs rabid across New Eden. Thus like the drooler who has become rabid, he must be put down.
The Loyalist and Faithful of Amarr have refused to stop declaring him "A Matari Problem."
He cares not for the laws of any known nation. He is lost in the delusion of being some sort of prophet justifying actions as the work of the Red God.
For those who study the Scriptures and their meaning. The Red God is one that takes, conquerors and destroys. He gives back nothing in return. And promises of such by him relegate him to his real role. Molok the Deceiver.
Our Caldari Allies face an enemy who seeks out an all-out war around the cluster. Even now the Matari have decided enough is enough.
I call for my brother and sisters among the Sani Sabik. Assist us in getting rid of this creature who now is a agent of the Beast. Letting him continue will bring suffering to the untold innocents.
Stop his self-titled Blood Age, before it's starts
At this point and recognizing the threat that stands before us. We will no longer act in a war against PIE of P-THR unless fired upon first.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2991
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Posted - 2017.05.16 09:54:30 -
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You're really late to this. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1680
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Posted - 2017.05.16 10:06:43 -
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Well gosh, this changes everything. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1110
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Posted - 2017.05.16 11:13:05 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:You're really late to this.
Very late. |
Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1690
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Posted - 2017.05.16 11:42:10 -
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I haven't kept a running tally but haven't the combined efforts of the Amarr accounted for a large proportion, if not a majority, of all of Nauplius' various temples of filth destroyed? I'm all for assisting in destroying this one too, or perhaps Goonswarm want another crack and give us a break.
Either way Nauplius has certainly not been treated as strictly a "Matar" problem for years, but I wouldn't be upset if they wanted to claim this one either.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
279
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Posted - 2017.05.16 11:55:46 -
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I'm reminded of a fairground game I saw as a child. A rendition of a furry rodent would appear from a hole. The objective was to hit it with a mallet, whereupon it disappeared, before a rendition of a furry rodent emerged from another hole. This rodent too was struck with a mallet... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3626
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Posted - 2017.05.16 13:01:18 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:You're really late to this.
And you shoul close your "[". |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3626
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Posted - 2017.05.16 13:04:54 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:I'm all for assisting in destroying this one too, or perhaps Goonswarm want another crack and give us a break.
Unfortunately, we're not operating in Caldari high-sec much right now, except for MiniLuv. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
930
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Posted - 2017.05.16 13:41:49 -
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I hope you realize that you buy yourself no favor pointing at Nauplius and declaring him the real threat.
You are going to die too heretic.
As strength goes.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
167
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Posted - 2017.05.16 13:49:36 -
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Eventually...
But not by his hand.
And I may be late to this party. It isn't the first time.
But I have seen what he does to people that I know and care about.
So if my sacrifice is to pilot my ship with my opponents to take care of the real enemy. So be it.
And if my opponents kill me while I am trying to kill me. So be it.
Are you going to waggle your tongues and lampoon me all day are you willing to assist the Matari and Caldari?
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3628
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Posted - 2017.05.16 14:46:42 -
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If you think Napkins is 'the real enemy' you are even more of a fool than you have demonstrated yourself to be, recently. Napkins is nothing. He is an attention-hungry child, pulling on the sleeves of everyone around him.
Right now, the Caldari need only to ignore him. He threatens none of their people except the ones foolish enough to listen to him, and he offers them nothing that will help them become influential or spread his lies. The Matari slaves he plans to kill, tragic as their deaths are, would still be trapped, sitting in a cage, and waiting to be plucked from their lives for the whims of those who claim slavery is justifiable and noble.
Napkins wants your attention. And you're giving it to him. What exactly do you think you're going to cost him? All of those slaves are registered as possessions, as assets, right now. Upwell structures' cargo protections ensure that even if the facility is destroyed, he will be able to retrieve his 'assets'.
So what do you cost him? The structure itself, which he erects with the intent of seeing people come and attack it, seeing them come and demonstrate how much he matters, to them, because he cannot bear the thought of his own inconsequentialness? It's a deal he'll make time and again. It's a deal he has made, over and over.
The cost of setting up the Citadel is far less than the payoff of self-esteem and attention he gets from you. Blow it up. He'll build another, and it will cost him nothing.
Which is meet, really, because he is nothing. You call him 'the real enemy'. He's nothing of the sort. He's a symptom, and nothing more. Napkins is a persistent cough that you insist we need to focus on and root out. We must defeat the cough! Nevermind the cancer in the lungs, focus on the cough.
Until the true disease, this insane belief in an all-powerful invisible man who commands the most vile acts in the name of cultural purity, is ripped out by the roots... you will keep coughing. And he will keep building more temples to tug at your sleeve and dance around gleefully at how much you scowl and denounce him, at how much power you give him in your life. When you call him 'the real enemy', all you are doing is making him your god. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
172
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:16:12 -
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Says the person that has nothing invested in this.
Arrendis when you watch your friends get twisted up by his manipulations and you do everything you can.
There are people who listen to him. Try to change him into something better. I stayed my hand because I thought he had turned the course.
You are delusional that to think absolute pacifism will pacify him.
It will enrage him.
He will act out more, committing more vile acts. And you want us to ignore it.
Time for you to take of rose tinted glasses.
You want to silence him... gag him.
You want to stop him... nail him to a cross
You never want to kill him, because then he escapes to do it all over again.
Now if you really believe that your method really will work. Please I encourage it. Sitting on one's hands is good way of doing.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2183
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:44:24 -
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Ah yes, of course. The Bloody Dawn of the Blood Age of Blood.
You know, I had forecast the arrival of the Bloody Dawn of the Blood Age of Blood some time ago.
And indeed, some other people at the time, mentioned the Kyonoke agent.
Funny how things can turn out, isn't it ?
Furthermore:
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Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
173
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:02:14 -
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I rather not think it was the end times.
Worse yet I rather not think Nauplius thinks its the end time.
I really just found the right guy and it's kind of it would be nice if I could make to own wedding on time.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3630
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:12:36 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Says the person that has nothing invested in this.
You have no idea what I have invested where, slaver.
My friends? You mean the kin he's trying once again to sacrifice? You mean people like AriaGÇöwhom I do consider a friend even if we're on the opposite sides of some issuesGÇöand others that he's embroiled in his twisted little games?
You admit you're late to this party. You might want to consider finding out whether or not you're trying to lecture the people who've been at the party for years now. Tell you what, little slaver, when you've brought a couple hundred people across five regions to blow his crap up, maybe you can lecture me about how he'll react.
For now, go ahead: give him exactly what he wants. And tell me, just tell me, how will that dissuade him? How will rewarding him with attention convince him not to do it again? Because he will. Just like he has every other time.
You stupid jackwagon. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
176
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Posted - 2017.05.16 19:43:23 -
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Arrendis wrote:Casserina Leshrac wrote:Says the person that has nothing invested in this. You have no idea what I have invested where, slaver. My friends? You mean the kin he's trying once again to sacrifice? You mean people like AriaGÇöwhom I do consider a friend even if we're on the opposite sides of some issuesGÇöand others that he's embroiled in his twisted little games? You admit you're late to this party. You might want to consider finding out whether or not you're trying to lecture the people who've been at the party for years now. Tell you what, little slaver, when you've brought a couple hundred people across five regions to blow his crap up, maybe you can lecture me about how he'll react. For now, go ahead: give him exactly what he wants. And tell me, just tell me, how will that dissuade him? How will rewarding him with attention convince him not to do it again? Because he will. Just like he has every other time. You stupid jackwagon.
So we'll see you there too.
Excellent.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3639
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Posted - 2017.05.16 20:07:13 -
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You really are dumber than a 3-week dead fedo, aren't you? |
Rossanjiin Eskeitan
Guri Raiders
53
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Posted - 2017.05.16 20:16:19 -
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Arrendis wrote:You really are dumber than a 3-week dead fedo, aren't you?
Come on, give her some credit.
I'd say at least 4. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
178
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Posted - 2017.05.16 20:24:47 -
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Arrendis wrote:You really are dumber than a 3-week dead fedo, aren't you?
Nope. Just like watching how your mind work.
What is the word you use... trolling
Back on topic
If you don't want to help, then don't.
Just don't clutter the feeds with your angst ridden emotionalism.
I know this man has done more far more horrific acts prior to my return.
I know that he has found ways to escape and to repeat the process.
To point is many of us across all walks of life, across the spectrum of Faith and Geography are united again to deal with.
It is you that play's fool's game. You want him to do more with less outrage. This is not a spoiled child we are dealing with. This is sociopath with delusions of godhood. Children will stop when you don't give them your attention.
Sociopaths will just find another way.
If you have a better way than twiddling thumbs and letting him get away with more, then I am all ears.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3639
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Posted - 2017.05.16 20:49:21 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Children will stop when you don't give them your attention.
Sociopaths will just find another way.
Children will stop if they haven't been rewarded for their tantrums, again and again. Once they have, once they know that all they have to do is escalate, then they will escalate. Napkins there has been getting his way for years. He knows that all he has to do is threaten to throw more of a tantrum, and you'll come running to show him how special he really is and no, Bubby, you really don't have to hold your breath until you turn blue.
Giving him attention only reinforces the cycle, and makes it harder next time.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3848
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:12:29 -
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Arrendis wrote:Children will stop if they haven't been rewarded for their tantrums, again and again. Once they have, once they know that all they have to do is escalate, then they will escalate. Napkins there has been getting his way for years. He knows that all he has to do is threaten to throw more of a tantrum, and you'll come running to show him how special he really is and no, Bubby, you really don't have to hold your breath until you turn blue.
Giving him attention only reinforces the cycle, and makes it harder next time.
You listen to Miz too much, Arrendis.
Besides, you're trying to herd cats. If there's a thing that's pointless unless everyone does it, and you're asking it of all capsuleers? It's probably pointless. People have been trying to get other people to ignore Ms. Kim for ... uh. Easily as long as I've been around. It hasn't happened.
This won't, either.
Might as well figure out something that'll actually work. |
Tyrukko Sakala
Guri Raiders
14
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:22:30 -
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Why try to work with those who persecute you?
Guri Raiders Pirate // Don't want to get your hands dirty? Drop a line.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1747
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:22:47 -
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Yup. Should instead just repeat the same thing over and over and expect some different result this time. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3639
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:31:18 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: You listen to Miz too much, Arrendis.
Experience, not Mizhara, has informed my opinion, Aria. You and I have both seen this cycle, again and again. He's even personally singled you out to give him attention because he knew you'd give it to him. That's his game. That's his only game.
Quote: Besides, you're trying to herd cats.
Kinda my day job, you know? |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
179
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Posted - 2017.05.16 22:14:33 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Arrendis wrote:Children will stop if they haven't been rewarded for their tantrums, again and again. Once they have, once they know that all they have to do is escalate, then they will escalate. Napkins there has been getting his way for years. He knows that all he has to do is threaten to throw more of a tantrum, and you'll come running to show him how special he really is and no, Bubby, you really don't have to hold your breath until you turn blue.
Giving him attention only reinforces the cycle, and makes it harder next time. You listen to Miz too much, Arrendis. Besides, you're trying to herd cats. If there's a thing that's pointless unless everyone does it, and you're asking it of all capsuleers? It's probably pointless. People have been trying to get other people to ignore Ms. Kim for ... uh. Easily as long as I've been around. It hasn't happened. This won't, either. Might as well figure out something that'll actually work.
I am forced to agree with Ms. Jenneth on this.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
133
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:13:00 -
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I...
...I really do wonder what in all the Throne Worlds is going on here.
Nauplius is openly antagonising enough people to even get other Sani Sabik to rail on him.
Cassy has turned from potential blooder to bleeding-heart.
And among it all, Arendis rails on and on about the wrongness of EVERYTHING!
Seriously?
I thought I was the child here...
...hah... hah...
...I'm clearly not...
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
925
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Posted - 2017.05.19 07:58:22 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Thus like the drooler who has become rabid, he must be put down. That sounds good.
Now let's hear your plan. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
196
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:17:49 -
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:I...
...I really do wonder what in all the Throne Worlds is going on here.
Nauplius is openly antagonising enough people to even get other Sani Sabik to rail on him.
Cassy has turned from potential blooder to bleeding-heart.
And among it all, Arendis rails on and on about the wrongness of EVERYTHING!
Seriously?
I thought I was the child here...
...hah... hah...
...I'm clearly not...
Now Meb... I am not one to make a spectacle of our rites.
However... if you want look in next time I am very happy to have you over.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
196
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:28:36 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Casserina Leshrac wrote:Thus like the drooler who has become rabid, he must be put down. That sounds good. Now let's hear your plan.
We cannot kill him because he resurrects to do it again.
We can't give in to his agenda in any fashion because we learn nothing from him.
We can't just destroy is assets as he can rebuild again.
Only one option left find his source of income and stop the ISK flowing in his direction. We just need to find how he is financing his operations.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1818
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:49:46 -
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His "operations" are cheap as hell Astras. You can finance them in perfect safety with even the most casual of station trading, which is pretty much impossible to disrupt. If he wasn't toying with you, performing only to the minimum of effort required to keep you all frothing and paying him all the attention he desires, he could plonk down Astras - all of which take a minimum of a week to take down, up to almost three weeks with clever deployment schedules - at a rate far exceeding your ability to take them down.
This is something you people don't seem to understand, for some unfathomable reason: You. Can't. Stop. A. Capsuleer. It would require an expenditure of effort several orders of magnitude above and beyond any harm they could possibly do. Spirits below, outside of nullsec you can't even keep them stuck in a station, and even there they can just jumpclone elsewhere.
All this effort, froth, clutching of pearls, wailing and gnashing of teeth over what is on a capsuleer scale barely the idle drumming of fingers, when that effort could have gone to something that would actually have a measurable impact. Feh.
I wonder how the response would be if he ever bothered getting off his arse and put some real effort into this stuff. If the reactions scaled to his current efforts, heads would start exploding from sheer outrage. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3709
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:22:29 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: Only one option left find his source of income and stop the ISK flowing in his direction. We just need to find how he is financing his operations.
He could fund his operations effortlessly by station-trading. Have you ever actually tried to keep a capsuleer from making money? To do it, you need to more or less do what you'd need to do to keep a capsuleer from cloning: put him in a stasis tube, lock him away in a cargo container, and throw away the citadel the container's in, by stuffing it 70+ au away from the nearest celestial, perpendicular to the ecliptic, in a wormhole somewhere.
And then pray there isn't a 'If I'm out of touch for 30 days, soft-clone' provision in his clone contract the way a lot of us have. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
925
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:42:30 -
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That plan is terrible.
Astrahus without trimmings is is, what, 1B?
I am the most constantly broke old-timer capsuleer I know, and even I could finance what he's doing with 30 minutes work a day and without ever undocking once.
There are ways to control a capsuleer.
Problem here is they pretty much all presuppose he or she cares enough about some baseliner or other other non-upliftable, not easily replacable contact/asset that you can go after instead instead of going for the egghead directly. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1822
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:48:41 -
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Let's not start talking about crossing that line. It doesn't happen for a reason, much like mutually assured destruction scenarios. Take away that 'something to lose' from one capsuleer, and you've basically created an unkillable creature who can replenish their resources and assets in perpetuity... coming for whatever you hold dear.
The fact that this creature only ever have to succeed once to take away what you love, and you have to succeed every single time they make an attempt on it should be more than enough reason not to even contemplate crossing that line, hmm?
There's a reason I keep tabs on the baseliner interests of my enemies, that I know of. It's so I can avoid creating that doomsday scenario. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2190
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:01:10 -
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To cause a zealot to change their behaviour, when that zealot is demi-immortal, is possible, but difficult.
Very difficult.
One must present to them a vision which irrefutably contradicts their understanding of the universe, showing that everything they thought was flawed, and presenting an alternative.
In the pre-immortal era, similar events occurred, were considered to be a form of Divine Intervention, and usually resulted in the person so affected, becoming a Saint or Prophet.
So that is what you have to do.
Make the zealot open to suggestion, and then present an alternative that shatters their old belief, and constructs a new one.
That's how you stop an immortal zealot.
But, I'm not sure who is capable of inspiring such a Divine Revelation.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:02:13 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:That plan is terrible.
Astrahus without trimmings is is, what, 1B?
Just under, on the open market. If you're gonna be putting them down again and again like Napkins here, though, it's probably worth buying a BPC and producing them for around 750 or so. Maybe a little less. I'd need to check with GSOL on that.
Point is, it's basically a sneeze, yeah. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
925
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:03:08 -
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I mentioned it to make it pretty clear none of the existing ways to control a capsuleer are not applicable in this scenario. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:05:13 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:To cause a zealot to change their behaviour, when that zealot is demi-immortal, is possible, but difficult.
This really isn't all that complicated. If you want someone to change their behavior, you have to have one of two things:
1)Something they want. 2)Something they want to avoid.
You have to give them motivation to change their behavior. When what you do is already baked into their operating costs, then what you do is effectively nothing.
So figure out what he wants, or what he wants to avoid. Laying out any clearer would be breaking my word to Aria, though, so I'm leaving it there.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:10:15 -
[38] - Quote
Valerie Valate wrote: One must present to them a vision which irrefutably contradicts their understanding of the universe, showing that everything they thought was flawed, and presenting an alternative.
Also, not for nothing, but you'd have to be able to prove the 'vision' isn't "Teh work of Mole-man the Deceiver" or whatever. IOW: you'd have to prove it's God. Which gets tricky, since you can't demonstrate your version of God is even his version of God or that either one of them is real. Since he's off in his own theological framework now with 'Naupliusism', there is literally nothing short of him changing his own mind that would qualify as persuasive to him.
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2083
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Posted - 2017.05.19 18:39:14 -
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So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3769
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:28:11 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
I hope so. It'll be hilarious to watch. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1842
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:50:25 -
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Didn't that thing get reinforced by a bunch of tech one Frigates, anyway?
Scary scary blooders, having their installations knocked down by tech. one. frigates.
No wonder their capsuleers are just as ****. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3770
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:54:48 -
[42] - Quote
Punishers, yes.
For clarity: we opted for Amarr frigates so that the weapons systems don't need to reload. It makes it easier for our guys to take a nap. |
Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75297
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:56:37 -
[43] - Quote
I guess the blooders never thought about point defense cannons. Their faith in their twisted god must have been blinding them to common sense.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
820
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:05:08 -
[44] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:So, what'd your two blooder sects think of the king of blooder's speech earlier today? I thought it was rather rousing. Will you kiss and make up to defend the sanctity of the shipyard?
I am having difficulty locating this speech. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3770
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 20:09:34 -
[45] - Quote
Check the latest Scope feed. They're not talking about you, I promise. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
820
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 21:06:13 -
[46] - Quote
Quote: "Molok, libeled as 'The Deceiver' by the false faith, was truer than any so-called 'True Amarr' follower of the corrupted throne squatters could ever be. He it was that understood the true nature of the universe. There is only one truth: power is all; naked, merciless force wielded by those with the will to grapple with it. We drink the blood of the powerful and the pure because to survive and advance we must feed on their energy and make it our own. This is the lesson of Molok. His failure is of no moment, his glimpse of the Great Truth is all that matters."
- Omir Sarikusa, Meditations on a Crimson Chalice
There is some truth in what Omir writes here. However, I believe him to be in error regarding Molok the Deceiver; rather, it is the example of the Emperor sacrificing Molok upon the Altar of God that we Chosen are to follow, not the example of Molok himself.
Thus, I cannot accept the Covenant's naming of the Titan the Molok class, and so I cannot condemn those who wish to destroy the Blood Raider facilities that manufacture these blasphemous vessels. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3772
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 21:12:03 -
[47] - Quote
Omir Sarikusa wrote:GÇ£Empty is the night for the lost and the weak. How will you see with false faith blinding your eyes? How will you seize your destiny on bended knees? Lift yourselves up and look into your hearts. Is the blood that flows there pure? Or is it thin and corrupted by gold and the prattle of priests? Now is the time to shine in the light of the Red God! Now is the time to forge your destinies with blood and iron. The Covenant of Blood is the truth of the universe. Our Covenant is a beacon, set among the stars. Our foundries will blaze with the red flame of construction, as every new ship of war is baptized in blood and fire! Let our sacred work begin. Let your swords reap the harvest of the Great Truth! Become one with me in power and seize life eternal.GÇ¥
When asked for comment, a member of Goonswarm leadership replied, GÇ£Omir who?GÇ¥ |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
427
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 22:41:38 -
[48] - Quote
Isn't that like what they want "as every new ship of war is baptized in blood and fire, so their sacred work can begin etc. ".
A tad bit unrelated but what happened with Sanguina, wasn't she the Covenant sympathizer and with you? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1844
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 23:10:15 -
[49] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints
Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3775
|
Posted - 2017.05.19 23:12:25 -
[50] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing.
Status quo is still better'n letting TEST get away with 'em. |
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Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75301
|
Posted - 2017.05.20 07:44:42 -
[51] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Arrendis wrote: We're here for the blueprints Yeah, I'm sure you can understand why my stomach hurts from laughing. Status quo is still better'n letting TEST get away with 'em.
Status quo is still better than letting anyone get it.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.25 22:47:58 -
[52] - Quote
Could someone enlighten me as to why Goonswarm blew up something they apparently hold some allegiance to? Maybe I'm just too far out of it all but that was my understanding. Perhaps my friendly-fire tactics are out of date. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
|
Posted - 2017.05.25 23:15:39 -
[53] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Could someone enlighten me as to why Goonswarm blew up something they apparently hold some allegiance to?
What?
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.25 23:39:49 -
[54] - Quote
Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1030
|
Posted - 2017.05.25 23:46:31 -
[55] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now.
The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing.
The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious.
The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable.
I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot.
Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it.
Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:01:52 -
[56] - Quote
Kalaratiri wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing. The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious. The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable. I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot. Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it. Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong.
The fact you've not taught me anything I didn't already know is also remarkable... |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:03:55 -
[57] - Quote
It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1031
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:05:29 -
[58] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. The idea that your opinion of who Goonswarm may or may not "pledge allegiance" to would make even the slightest difference is amusing. The idea that it would be a "tipping point" is hilarious. The fact you don't already know the answer is remarkable. I suggest you go back and do a bit of reading before you make yourself look like any more of an idiot. Edit: I just read your corp description. I think you need to change it. Quote:With key partnerships we maintain a wealth of connections and knowledge about New Eden. You got this bit wrong. The fact you've not taught me anything I didn't already know is also remarkable...
Knowledge of one's insignificance is usually a good thing.
It is not laid on anyone else to provide you with easily obtainable, public, information. Pull your thumb out of your arse and learn something.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:08:24 -
[59] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now.
Tipping what?
Y'know, there's a lot of people out there who'd look at a guy in a one-man corp, losing citadels in high-sec, and think 'who the hel is this mouthbreather?' There are. If you stick around, you'll probably even meet some of them. Me, I prefer to think you're a cute newbie who really has no idea what he's suggesting, and really doesn't get just how that kind of phrasing comes across. Your corp info says you're into 'contacts' and 'information' all across New Eden, so lemme put you in contact with some information:
As a member of the alliance directorate, I can categorically state that no, we do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders. If we did, we'd have a really strange way of showing it, what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month.
Also, not everyone is as nice as I am, and if you take that tone with some of the folks around here, you might take a PIE to the face. Wait, no, lasers. PIE shoots lasers, not exploding pies. Mah bad. Also, deploying an Astrahus after only six months in space... not bad. Did you have help getting the money together, or just hard work? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:09:42 -
[60] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe.
Also, I'm pretty sure they know.
Arrendis wrote:what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month. |
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Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
1031
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:15:15 -
[61] - Quote
Also, editing your posts after saying something stupid is a very quick way to make sure no one takes you remotely seriously.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:20:03 -
[62] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Goons do or do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders? Tipping point. Speak now. Tipping what? Y'know, there's a lot of people out there who'd look at a guy in a one-man corp, losing citadels in high-sec, and think 'who the hel is this mouthbreather?' There are. If you stick around, you'll probably even meet some of them. Me, I prefer to think you're a cute newbie who really has no idea what he's suggesting, and really doesn't get just how that kind of phrasing comes across. Your corp info says you're into 'contacts' and 'information' all across New Eden, so lemme put you in contact with some information: As a member of the alliance directorate, I can categorically state that no, we do not pledge allegiance to the Blood Raiders. If we did, we'd have a really strange way of showing it, what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month. Also, not everyone is as nice as I am, and if you take that tone with some of the folks around here, you might take a PIE to the face. Wait, no, lasers. PIE shoots lasers, not exploding pies. Mah bad. Also, deploying an Astrahus after only six months in space... not bad. Did you have help getting the money together, or just hard work?
I very much appreciate your quick response as a key representative of the Goonswarm Federation. The Blood Raiders are notified. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:20:49 -
[63] - Quote
Kalaratiri wrote:Also, editing your posts after saying something stupid is a very quick way to make sure no one takes you remotely seriously.
Thanks didn't realize that. It was a typo. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 00:23:50 -
[64] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote: I very much appreciate your quick response as a key representative of the Goonswarm Federation. The Blood Raiders are notified.
Again, they know. They've known for a long time now. I promise you, you don't need to notify any of Omir's little pissants that we've been killing them pretty much nonstop for months. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 01:15:09 -
[65] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe. Also, I'm pretty sure they know. Arrendis wrote:what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month.
This post is marked as edited. I am relaying that the Goonswarm Federation is an ENEMY of the Blood Raiders. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3940
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 04:22:43 -
[66] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Arrendis wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:It's a pretty simple question. Do the Goons work with or against the Blood Raiders. If you can't answer it I'll assume it's a no and I'll let the Blood Raiders know. It is immaterial whether I am important to them, the Goons, or anyone else. All the Blood Raiders need to know is if Goons are friend or foe. Also, I'm pretty sure they know. Arrendis wrote:what with the roughly 2,000,000 Blood Raider ships we destroy in Delve every month. This post is marked as edited. I am relaying that the Goonswarm Federation is an ENEMY of the Blood Raiders.
Yes, that post is marked as edited, because I went back to quote myself. Just like this post is marked as edited because I went back to add this line and a few others which don't alter the meaning of my post at all. I'm also likely to keep editing all my posts now just because you seem to think it matters. :)
Goonswarm is an enemy of the Blood Raider Covenant in the same way that a guy in a bar is an enemy of pub fries, pretzels, and nachos. We think of unexploded Blood Raiders less as 'enemies' and more as 'bounties we haven't collected yet'. You do not need to relay any of that to anyone. They already know it. We've been slaughtering them in droves. If any of them haven't noticed, it's because they warped into a Bosonic Field Generator as it fired off, and died without having the time to notice. |
Davlos
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
121
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 04:42:35 -
[67] - Quote
It's always interesting to watch Goonswarm devote their attention here, following the riveting events of YC118. It must be impressive to be talking down to one-person organizations after getting thrown out of the North. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3940
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 05:39:05 -
[68] - Quote
Davlos wrote:It's always interesting to watch Goonswarm devote their attention here, following the riveting events of YC118. It must be impressive to be talking down to one-person organizations after getting thrown out of the North.
Not as impressive as it is to watch people trying to make hay on events that, as I've stated, were actually pretty beneficial on the whole, in our estimation.
And for the record, Binky, if you think I was talking down to AEther Galatia, you clearly need to take time to educate yourself on just exactly what it looks like when I start talking down to people. I'll give you some time to go looking through the posting history, or you can just stay here and wait for your brain to develop enough to get the difference between explaining a situation to someone who seems to be fairly inexperienced, and being condescending to a mouthbreathing idiot.
(Hint: That was it there. Go ahead. Read it again. Take your time, I know some of the words had more than three letters in them. Sound them out slowly.)
But don't you worry your pretty little head about what's 'impressive', or even about whether or not impressive was the word you wanted to be using there, since on the whole, I think you were more looking for something conveying an impression of the person doing the speaking, not the observer. Then again, apparently unlike yourself, I'm at least capable of recognizing which adjectives should be used where, and which carry connotations of being attached to the subject of a sentence, and which pertain more to the object of the sentence. Maybe you should've tried 'satisfying', or 'gratifying', or 'it must feel really good'.
(Additional Hint: That was more condescension. So is this.)
Nor, it should be noted, is my activity here in any way some new development that only took place after the events of last year.
Shame. I thought MC at least required a working brain. |
Davlos
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
121
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 05:58:34 -
[69] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Davlos wrote:It's always interesting to watch Goonswarm devote their attention here, following the riveting events of YC118. It must be impressive to be talking down to one-person organizations after getting thrown out of the North. Not as impressive as it is to watch people trying to make hay on events that, as I've stated, were actually pretty beneficial on the whole, in our estimation. And for the record, Binky, if you think I was talking down to AEther Galatia, you clearly need to take time to educate yourself on just exactly what it looks like when I start talking down to people. I'll give you some time to go looking through the posting history, or you can just stay here and wait for your brain to develop enough to get the difference between explaining a situation to someone who seems to be fairly inexperienced, and being condescending to a mouthbreathing idiot. (Hint: That was it there. Go ahead. Read it again. Take your time, I know some of the words had more than three letters in them. Sound them out slowly.) But don't you worry your pretty little head about what's 'impressive', or even about whether or not impressive was the word you wanted to be using there, since on the whole, I think you were more looking for something conveying an impression of the person doing the speaking, not the observer. Then again, apparently unlike yourself, I'm at least capable of recognizing which adjectives should be used where, and which carry connotations of being attached to the subject of a sentence, and which pertain more to the object of the sentence. Maybe you should've tried 'satisfying', or 'gratifying', or 'it must feel really good'. (Additional Hint: That was more condescension. So is this.) Nor, it should be noted, is my activity here in any way some new development that only took place after the events of last year. Shame. I thought MC at least required a working brain.
That was nice and all, but thinking about Saranen ended up making me chuckle a bit. Now, that was gratifying.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
982
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 06:36:16 -
[70] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:This post is marked as edited. I am relaying that the Goonswarm Federation is an ENEMY of the Blood Raiders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIN973qCxyo&list=PLQvKSs1k6DLND_n1eyjHLML_0G__CEqMg
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/blood-raider-leader-defiant-in-aftermath-of-capsuleer-destruction-of-shipyard/
They know. I promise you that the trillions of people living in Delve who have been fighting a war against the invaders there for months do not need you to mail them to let them know. That would be akin to telling the corpses at the bottom of the sea that it is raining.
As strength goes.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3946
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 12:28:08 -
[71] - Quote
Davlos wrote:That was nice and all, but thinking about Saranen ended up making me chuckle a bit. Now, that was gratifying.
See that? You can learn to use language properly. And that's ok, thinking about trading Hurricanes for Apostles makes me chuckle, too. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:05:35 -
[72] - Quote
Well there is a difference between battling and warring. The Goonswarm have been "battling" the Blood Raiders. Simple squabbles between the two, much like sparring in a ring due to the necessity of the complexities of New Eden. Everyone is at war with everyone (practically) in New Eden and to completely avoid any and all blood shed of another group is basically impossible. However, and this is what I meant by "tipping point", eventually if a group takes things too far with their "squabbles" things elevate to the next level. Warring. It was my job, as someone with "connections" to the Blood Raiders as mentioned in my corporation description, to determine where we stood. Battling or warring. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3946
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:13:39 -
[73] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Well there is a difference between battling and warring. The Goonswarm have been "battling" the Blood Raiders.
No, we've been farming the Blood Raiders. Like threshing grain. You don't 'battle' the grain. You're not 'at war' with the grain. You simply go out and mow it all down with the large industrial reaper-thresher and there is nothing the grain can do to stop it.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1733
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:17:24 -
[74] - Quote
What do you mean by "we" Mr Galatia when you ask about if Goonswarm are warring against the Blooders or not? Is it correct to assume that by that and your reference to connections, you are a Gallentean offshoot of the Blood Raiders? Before I add you to the list of Sani scum I'd like clarification there, without any backpedalling or post edits if possible.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:35:54 -
[75] - Quote
As it so happens I have connections at boht Goonswarm and the Blood Raiders. You may take me seriously if you like or insult me if you like. This is the fact of the matter. When two groups I care about very much start blowing each other up it becomes a real problem because both groups are immensely powerful. However, I have blood related family in the Blood Raiders so my allegiance, at the end of the day, is with them. What this means is that I expect there to be inter-feuding between the two groups as they attempt to weed out the bad weeds in Goodswarm who have wrongly attacked a highly valuable Sotiyo they should have been protecting. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1945
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:38:30 -
[76] - Quote
You do realize trying to weed out the 'bad weeds' of the goons would basically leave them with a three-man corp or so, yeah? I'm sure they're shaking in their boots though. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
0
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:41:10 -
[77] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You do realize trying to weed out the 'bad weeds' of the goons would basically leave them with a three-man corp or so, yeah? I'm sure they're shaking in their boots though.
Thanks for insulting a group I really care about *sarcasm*. There are MANY highly intelligent and extremely good cat herders in Goonswarm and there's a LOT to be said for that. Tell me if you learn to heard cats, you could take over the world with that skill. And yes, Blood Raiders are a formidable force and basically destroy anything they desire dead, so they'll be shaking. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1945
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:45:37 -
[78] - Quote
You're welcome. For an encore, I could spend a few pages laying out exactly how pathetic both Blooders and their assorted capsuleer offerings are but after their prize Sotiyo got utterly annihilated by tech one frigates it'd be kind of superfluous.
Out of two groups of hurr, you hitched your wagon to the one with the most durr. |
Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1733
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:45:50 -
[79] - Quote
So it's confirmed, another Sani. And a full blown Blooder at that.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
368
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Posted - 2017.05.26 13:48:38 -
[80] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote: you could take over the world with that skill. Which world? Is it Intaki? I've heard Intakitty is a thing?
Utari Onzo wrote:So it's confirmed, another Sani. And a full blown Blooder at that. As I said, current flavour, mr Onzo |
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Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1095
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 13:59:18 -
[81] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Not as impressive as it is to watch people trying to make hay on events that, as I've stated, were actually pretty beneficial on the whole, in our estimation.
When your enemy bleeds and screams "I'M FINE", you've hit an artery.
When your enemy falls and screams "Now I'm STRONGER", then you've hit brainstem.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
2
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:18:12 -
[82] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:If you think Napkins is 'the real enemy' you are even more of a fool than you have demonstrated yourself to be, recently. Napkins is nothing. He is an attention-hungry child, pulling on the sleeves of everyone around him.
Right now, the Caldari need only to ignore him. He threatens none of their people except the ones foolish enough to listen to him, and he offers them nothing that will help them become influential or spread his lies. The Matari slaves he plans to kill, tragic as their deaths are, would still be trapped, sitting in a cage, and waiting to be plucked from their lives for the whims of those who claim slavery is justifiable and noble.
Napkins wants your attention. And you're giving it to him. What exactly do you think you're going to cost him? All of those slaves are registered as possessions, as assets, right now. Upwell structures' cargo protections ensure that even if the facility is destroyed, he will be able to retrieve his 'assets'.
So what do you cost him? The structure itself, which he erects with the intent of seeing people come and attack it, seeing them come and demonstrate how much he matters, to them, because he cannot bear the thought of his own inconsequentialness? It's a deal he'll make time and again. It's a deal he has made, over and over.
The cost of setting up the Citadel is far less than the payoff of self-esteem and attention he gets from you. Blow it up. He'll build another, and it will cost him nothing.
Which is meet, really, because he is nothing. You call him 'the real enemy'. He's nothing of the sort. He's a symptom, and nothing more. Napkins is a persistent cough that you insist we need to focus on and root out. We must defeat the cough! Nevermind the cancer in the lungs, focus on the cough.
Until the true disease, this insane belief in an all-powerful invisible man who commands the most vile acts in the name of cultural purity, is ripped out by the roots... you will keep coughing. And he will keep building more temples to tug at your sleeve and dance around gleefully at how much you scowl and denounce him, at how much power you give him in your life. When you call him 'the real enemy', all you are doing is making him your god.
Arrendis, I have some terrible news. You are under Amarr slaver mind control drugs. Seek medical attention immediately, you are compromising the Goonswarm Federation. Take my word for it. I respect you as a directorate member and will do my best to protect you. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 16:21:52 -
[83] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:When your enemy falls and screams "Now I'm STRONGER", then you've hit brainstem.
Yup. Totally. Trust the platitudes, not the actual data, your Holiness. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1949
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 16:23:21 -
[84] - Quote
I have no words for how much I love and adore that turn of phrase, old man. It has an enviable sting to it. Still, she's actually right, even if only technically so. The goons themselves are at this point far stronger than they were in the north, having shed their worthless "Imperium" and folded some of the useful bits of it into their own organization. Their industrial and financial power is now significantly improved, and it's even possible - although unproven as that Sotiyo kill showed - that they can and will undock something other than interceptor fleets these days.
They are stronger now than during their height of power before and during WWB.
If this strength is sufficiently more than the paper slaver hound in the north remains to be seen. Sheer numbers and ISK is a quality on its own, but if it's their only quality at this point, they still have quite a lot of work to do.
Edit: Gosh, Arrendis. You're on slaver mind control drugs and won't even share!? So mean. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:30:53 -
[85] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I have no words for how much I love and adore that turn of phrase, old man. It has an enviable sting to it. Still, she's actually right, even if only technically so. The goons themselves are at this point far stronger than they were in the north, having shed their worthless "Imperium" and folded some of the useful bits of it into their own organization. Their industrial and financial power is now significantly improved, and it's even possible - although unproven as that Sotiyo kill showed - that they can and will undock something other than interceptor fleets these days.
They are stronger now than during their height of power before and during WWB.
If this strength is sufficiently more than the paper slaver hound in the north remains to be seen. Sheer numbers and ISK is a quality on its own, but if it's their only quality at this point, they still have quite a lot of work to do.
Edit: Gosh, Arrendis. You're on slaver mind control drugs and won't even share!? So mean.
I'd hire you but I'm a "one man corp" that is apparently useless or whatever the hell. Keep your guns pointed at the enemy. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:36:22 -
[86] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Edit: Gosh, Arrendis. You're on slaver mind control drugs and won't even share!? So mean.
Like you haven't been bogarting the good stuff your corp hooks you up with.
We should get Samira and have a total drugged out hedonism night. It'll be like old times! Only, with drugs. And hedonism. And nobody trying to kill themselves or one another. Or tas-oh, who am I kidding, you'll still get me with the taser. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:40:31 -
[87] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Graelyn wrote:When your enemy falls and screams "Now I'm STRONGER", then you've hit brainstem. Yup. Totally. Trust the platitudes, not the actual data, your Holiness.
Wonder who made you write this? (quoted in case you edit it.) |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:43:44 -
[88] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Wonder who made you write this? (quoted in case you edit it.)
Why would I edit my snark?
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1950
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:43:58 -
[89] - Quote
Correctional Electrical Attitude and Behaviour Adjustment Signal* and you're saving up for one hell of a doozy. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:50:20 -
[90] - Quote
Maybe I'll stop by sometime next month when I get a little time off. |
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3923
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:50:40 -
[91] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Arrendis wrote:Graelyn wrote:When your enemy falls and screams "Now I'm STRONGER", then you've hit brainstem. Yup. Totally. Trust the platitudes, not the actual data, your Holiness. Wonder who made you write this? (quoted in case you edit it.)
Ironic use of a title is still use of a title. But also still ironic.
Especially when it's the wrong title.
(A cardinal is properly addressed as, "your Eminence," I think.) |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
987
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:50:57 -
[92] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:No, we've been farming the Blood Raiders. Like threshing grain. You don't 'battle' the grain. You're not 'at war' with the grain. You simply go out and mow it all down with the large industrial reaper-thresher and there is nothing the grain can do to stop it. Let us not go to far, they kill a lot of goons too.
As strength goes.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:53:31 -
[93] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:Let us not go to far, they kill a lot of goons too.
Industrial accidents happen. Can't help it if the idiots fall into the thresher. Compare the numbers, see if the 'a lot' really stacks up.
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:53:36 -
[94] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:AEther Galatia wrote:Arrendis wrote:Graelyn wrote:When your enemy falls and screams "Now I'm STRONGER", then you've hit brainstem. Yup. Totally. Trust the platitudes, not the actual data, your Holiness. Wonder who made you write this? (quoted in case you edit it.) Ironic use of a title is still use of a title. But also still ironic. Especially when it's the wrong title. (A cardinal is properly addressed as, "your Eminence," I think.)
Thanks. That is very wise of you and was my point but I did not say it directly. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 16:55:38 -
[95] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Ironic use of a title is still use of a title. But also still ironic.
Especially when it's the wrong title.
(A cardinal is properly addressed as, "your Eminence," I think.)
You know what I love about names? They're unique. They're singular. Oh, I don't mean 'Aria' or 'Arrendis'... I mean a name is the only thing you can take away from someone by not using it. Titles, especially the wrong ones... they're so generic. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2248
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:57:46 -
[96] - Quote
I always address Cardinal Graelyn as Cardinal Graelyn, following an agreement with him.
Since it bugged him when I addressed him as "Snookums".
Like, totally bugged him.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:58:27 -
[97] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Ironic use of a title is still use of a title. But also still ironic.
Especially when it's the wrong title.
(A cardinal is properly addressed as, "your Eminence," I think.) You know what I love about names? They're unique. They're singular. Oh, I don't mean 'Aria' or 'Arrendis'... I mean a name is the only thing you can take away from someone by not using it. Titles, especially the wrong ones... they're so generic.
Yup I'm with you. Just remember, even if your *intended* audience is not your spoken to audience, to the layman your spoken to audience is the one getting the praise and not your intended audience. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1095
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:02:00 -
[98] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Yup. Totally. Trust the platitudes, not the actual data, your Holiness.
"We didn't want Pator anyways."
Try a spin that isn't older than I am.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:02:24 -
[99] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote: Yup I'm with you. Just remember, even if your *intended* audience is not your spoken to audience, to the layman your spoken to audience is the one getting the praise and not your intended audience.
Do you think I particularly care? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1951
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:03:58 -
[100] - Quote
Not what she's arguing, is it Old Man? I'll be first in line to smack her upside the head when she tries that particular line, but when she's saying they've grown stronger than before that defeat, she's actually right. |
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
3
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:05:20 -
[101] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Not what she's arguing, is it Old Man? I'll be first in line to smack her upside the head when she tries that particular line, but when she's saying they've grown stronger than before that defeat, she's actually right.
Unfortunately, ends do not always justify means. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1095
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:09:36 -
[102] - Quote
Amarr is stronger since losing the Republic.
If I tried to spin the Rebellion as a 'great moment for Amarr', you would all (quite properly) think of me as a useless tit.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1951
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:13:01 -
[103] - Quote
I do agree with you, just sayin' that she's still technically correct and you're not going to get a "Yeah, we got our **** pushed in" from any organization primarily founded on inflated egos, Grae. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1095
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:14:32 -
[104] - Quote
Well certainly no organization is EVE has ever been defeated. I just checked the forums.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1131
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:15:59 -
[105] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Edit: Gosh, Arrendis. You're on slaver mind control drugs and won't even share!? So mean. Like you haven't been bogarting the good stuff your corp hooks you up with. We should get Samira and have a total drugged out hedonism night. It'll be like old times! Only, with drugs. And hedonism. And nobody trying to kill themselves or one another. Or tas-oh, who am I kidding, you'll still get me with the taser.
Lieutenant Kernher is a good and decent God-fearing woman and pilot. I doubt she would be interested.
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
5
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:21:52 -
[106] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:Amarr is stronger since losing the Republic.
If I tried to spin the Rebellion as a 'great moment for Amarr', you would all (quite properly) think of me as a useless tit.
Agreed. I have as much respect for the Amarr as I do for any of the factions. There's something to be said for happy slaves versus a struggling free populace. Nevetheless I believe in the Galllente mantra and ultimately I have to live somewhere and belong to some group. If Goons are justifying this as making them stronger, so be it. If they would rather toss the Blood Raiders aside than do business with them that is their own prerogative. As Arrendis said, the hive lives on (rougly quoted) and it will adapt, with or without the Blood Raiders. What happens going forward is yet to be seen. But again, the tipping point has been reached and weeding will be done. Whether Goon relations survive that weeding or not is yet to be seen. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:25:34 -
[107] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I do agree with you, just sayin' that she's still technically correct and you're not going to get a "Yeah, we got our **** pushed in" from any organization primarily founded on inflated egos, Grae.
Yeah?
Graelyn wrote: "We didn't want Pator anyways."
Try a spin that isn't older than I am.
Hah. You will never hear, and have never heard, me say we didn't want that space. We wanted that space. We also weren't happy about losing that war. So... what? We should be all weepy and wailing and gnashing our teeth forever? We should be unable to coldly and rationally look at what happened and evaluate our current position relative to our previous position?
We're better off now than we were then. That's just the plain and simple truth.
Instead of 30,000 pilots spread across five regions, we've got that many in one. Instead of those pilots being spread through 9 different alliances, with all of the patchwork defensive complications that arise in Entosis work, 27,474 of them are in one alliance, with roughy another 6k in 4 others.
Our industrial output per monthGÇöeven without accurate reporting of excavator-based Rorqual industrial activity, exceeds every other region in New Eden except for some parts of the Caldari State, and outstrips any other two regions in null-sec combined.
Despite losing all of that space, we didn't actually lose our supercapital assets. Typically, this is where the 'oh, didn't want that space anyway' accusations get the loudest. Of course we wanted that space. We wanted our supercapital fleet more. Do you want your ship? Does wanting your ship mean you can't want your head? If you have to pick one to keep, and one to lose forever though, you're going to pick the one that lets you get more of the other, right? I mean, you're not going to decide 'hah! I have my ship, I don't need my head!'
I mean, I don't think you are. You believe in God and other crazy things though, so who knows?
So, yeah, we got our asses kicked. Yeah, it sucked. No, wasn't exactly cause for 40 years of wandering in the Great Wildlands or whatever. If the MBC had charged south after us, things could've been really, really bad for us. But they didn't. They made a lot of noise about destroying us, and grandiose claims about how we'd never be allowed to put more than 200 people in space again, and then they failed to seal the deal.
By not wasting our assets in a war that, when the 'big' war started, we'd already been burning the candle at both ends over for eight months, we retained the ability to get back on our feet pretty quickly, and that's exactly what we did. I can't help it if you don't like it. It's still true. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3962
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Posted - 2017.05.26 17:34:36 -
[108] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Instead of 30,000 pilots spread across five regions, we've got that many in one. Instead of those pilots being spread through 9 different alliances, with all of the patchwork defensive complications that arise in Entosis work, 27,474 of them are in one alliance, with roughy another 6k in 4 others.
P.S. - as a side note, that current total doesn't include Sister Bliss and the murder machine that is The Initiative, who add another 3,000 and have settled into Querious for a while before they go on another 'where do we want to burn people down today?' deployment.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:36:43 -
[109] - Quote
For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3967
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Posted - 2017.05.26 20:21:43 -
[110] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf.
I'm not. Init just got pushed out of Syndicate. But they only went into Syndicate to take it away from the former owner, who's now in MC. Init's been semi-nomadic for about three years now, Miz. They go someplace, settle for a while, then get bored and go someplace else. And considering it took you guys, NC, GotG, and Horde all together to push them out of SyndicateGÇöonce again without seriously degrading their combat capabilityGÇöI don't really see them sitting on their butts too long. You should know by now that Bliss is never shy about bringing the fight.
You blew up some cits. Their combat assets are still perfectly safe. So, once again: my ship or my head? |
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
6
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Posted - 2017.05.26 20:38:29 -
[111] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf. I'm not. Init just got pushed out of Syndicate. But they only went into Syndicate to take it away from the former owner, who's now in MC. Init's been semi-nomadic for about three years now, Miz. They go someplace, settle for a while, then get bored and go someplace else. And considering it took you guys, NC, GotG, and Horde all together to push them out of SyndicateGÇöonce again without seriously degrading their combat capabilityGÇöI don't really see them sitting on their butts too long. You should know by now that Bliss is never shy about bringing the fight. You blew up some cits. Their combat assets are still perfectly safe. So, once again: my ship or my head?
You're forgetting one convenient option for us all. *your* head. Lest we forget. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
6
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Posted - 2017.05.26 20:45:21 -
[112] - Quote
Does anyone actually have any idea what a Blood Raider Sotiyo is actually worth? It's rhetorical. It's ridiculous amounts. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3969
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Posted - 2017.05.26 20:48:35 -
[113] - Quote
AEther Galatia wrote:Does anyone actually have any idea what a Blood Raider Sotiyo is actually worth? It's rhetorical. It's ridiculous amounts.
The same as any other Sotiyo. |
Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1097
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Posted - 2017.05.26 20:58:41 -
[114] - Quote
We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1958
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Posted - 2017.05.26 21:02:40 -
[115] - Quote
Think there'd be a bit of contention over the contents of it. That's the valuable bit.
That said, so far the contents managed to move several kilometers before it went poof. I wonder how far the current ones will make it? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3970
|
Posted - 2017.05.26 21:04:18 -
[116] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?
Swap what? Sotiyos? Sure. Next time I have an intact Blood Raider Sotiyo in my cargo bay, I'll bring it to Amarr, ok? Cuz right now, the ones out there aren't mine. They belong to the Blood Raiders.
S'why they're getting blown up. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3970
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Posted - 2017.05.26 21:05:06 -
[117] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Think there'd be a bit of contention over the contents of it. That's the valuable bit.
That said, so far the contents managed to move several kilometers before it went poof. I wonder how far the current ones will make it?
Right now I've got '20km, 3 hulls' in the Directorate betting pool, actually. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
6
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Posted - 2017.05.26 21:10:40 -
[118] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?
What would you want to swap it for? A Sotiyo is a Sotiyo. However. Location, location, location. As they say. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
11
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Posted - 2017.05.28 13:22:49 -
[119] - Quote
Is there anything else to add to this conversation? It's rather interesting. |
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
11
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Posted - 2017.05.28 13:41:55 -
[120] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:The goons themselves are at this point far stronger than they were in the north, having shed their worthless "Imperium" and folded some of the useful bits of it into their own organization.
Where's Imperium at these days anyways? I mean, if they folded or whatever?
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2303
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Posted - 2017.05.28 19:04:54 -
[121] - Quote
With no further developments to report, the Bloody War of the Blood Age of Blood has come to a .
The personal effects of Myriam Oksana will be returned to Stormghosts in due course.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Graelyn
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1121
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Posted - 2017.05.30 12:10:22 -
[122] - Quote
I eat steaks bloodier than this war.
Cardinal Graelyn
Imperial Liaison, I-RED
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
404
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Posted - 2017.05.30 12:22:54 -
[123] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war. Exactly how does a Cardinal enjoy his steak?
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2306
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Posted - 2017.05.30 13:19:56 -
[124] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war.
I posted in this thread by mistake. See the other thread.
Snookums
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4101
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Posted - 2017.05.30 13:30:57 -
[125] - Quote
Halcyon Ember wrote:Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war. Exactly how does a Cardinal enjoy his steak?
On fire, with a witch tied to it! |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
227
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Posted - 2017.05.30 14:13:29 -
[126] - Quote
Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war.
So do I.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1144
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Posted - 2017.05.30 16:28:26 -
[127] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war. Exactly how does a Cardinal enjoy his steak? On fire, with a witch tied to it!
Steak medium- rare, the Sani-well done is the usual rule of thumb for the Cardinal I think. |
Davlos
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
151
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Posted - 2017.06.01 06:41:34 -
[128] - Quote
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Arrendis wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:Graelyn wrote:I eat steaks bloodier than this war. Exactly how does a Cardinal enjoy his steak? On fire, with a witch tied to it! Steak medium- rare, the Sani-well done is the usual rule of thumb for the Cardinal I think.
I prefer to hear my steaks moo, though. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4143
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Posted - 2017.06.01 13:01:10 -
[129] - Quote
Davlos wrote: I prefer to hear my steaks moo, though.
A little pre-pyre surgery, and the witch can provide that! |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
204
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Posted - 2017.06.01 13:07:27 -
[130] - Quote
Davlos wrote:I prefer to hear my steaks moo, though.
I prefer to hear my steaks scream for their lives...
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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