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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:59:02 -
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I see in various forum threads, there is no end game, or this or that is end game.
So I am curious, simply that and so I am asking the community to pass knowledge of this post to others they know.
Question is: What do you consider end game?
a few simple rules for this post. 1.) if you truly believe there is no true end game simply post "noeg" (for no end game, without the quotes of course) 2.) no need for a fully detailed explanation, a simple sentence or two should suffice, if you want to write a book make your own thread. 3.) try to keep things civil, obvious trolls, attempts to derail on purpose, ongoing arguments that get out of control I will ask ISD myself to start removing such when necessary.
Personally, my answer to this question according to my simple rules would be: noeg |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
113
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:16:27 -
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Wormhole corp kissing The Ring and becoming nullbears means "winning the game". Or so I heard.
but jokes aside
There is an endgame... and isn't. As in real life your endgame can be fulfilling a goal. Or a few. Getting specialized in an activity and becoming the best (or one of the few best) is what I'd call endgame. But if the goal is "try everything and be the best in everything", it's impossible to archive, so I would argue it doesn't exist. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11043
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:26:33 -
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Here's how I see it.
EVE is essentially a sandbox. And in a sandbox each and every person decides for themselves what their endgame is.
For some it might be having the most ISK. For others the highest kill efficiency. Or cornering the market for a region. Or most SP. Or having the largest corp. Or any of so many other metrics.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:36:34 -
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The "End Game" is when you have become too bored with the existing gameplay and simply stop logging in.
As for gameplay within the game, I see it more as a wheel. You start in someplace like Hi Sec and go to somewhere like, WH, Low Sec, or Null Sec, play there until you get bored, then go to one of the places you didn't already go and play a bit, and etc.
You can also do the same for different careers. I started doing mainly pvp and mining, then went into invention, then PI. By the time I got into PI it wasn't really worth going back into the other careers due to the high saturation of existing players doing that.
When CCP introduced all those industries they were very profitable for a while, then as more got into them, they became very competitive. Those who got into them each early on made a lot of isk, those who followed on made a lot less.
So for many of the industries in this game, there has been no real reason to go back to them. And for many areas of this game, they haven't changed enough or I don't have the time to invest, like Null Sec or WHs.
So, that is the "End Game" for me. It has become no longer fun or profitable to do nearly everything that you can do in this game, so I no longer play it.
I just come back once in a while to see of CCP actually does something beyond the narrow vision they have had the last several years.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11044
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:42:36 -
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I forgot to mention.
You are posting in my endgame. For me and many others, this place - General Discussion - it the pinnacle of EVE.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
138
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:44:44 -
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For me, there is no classic "endgame". I can have as much fun in EVE with a new toon just hours old as with one that is a few years old. It depends on what you want to do in EVE. New Eden is not a themepark but a sandbox - there is no "getting as fast as I can to maxlevel". And - it seems to me - that is a very good thing.
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Shawn en Tilavine
Knights-of-Joo Reverberation Project
3
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:46:52 -
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In Eve, the "end game" is whatever each player decides it is for him/her. For me, my daily end game is achieving my objectives while denying others the opportunity to use me to achieve their goals. It's a real kick, running a site or something and watching folks try to hunt you down, and then warping off right under their noses while they're still coming out of warp and there's nothing they can do about it. For Newbros like me, learning to stay alive can be a lot of fun. Oh, I still get killed now and again, but like any game of cat and mouse, you win some and you lose some. C'est la Vie!
Respectfully submitted.
"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
127
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Posted - 2017.05.16 19:28:29 -
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I'd view it as eve having multiple end-games.
For example... in market trading there is probably a finite set of skills where you are on even footing with all the other market traders (other than your own personal ability to play the market). Once you get those skills, you have the same set of tools that everyone else has (at least for that one toon).
To me that is similar to trying to grind up to level XX as quickly as possible so you can take part in that MMORPG's "end game" content. In both cases the other guys may have more stuff or better ability... but you're both maxed out in terms of skills.
So there is a max trading skill level where you arrive at the end-game. There is a max mining skill set. There is a max manufacturing/research skill set. Achieving each of those puts you at the end-game for that activity.
Combat skills... well that's a little different. Each fitting for each ship would have an "end-game" skill set (every skill that has any effect on the fitting for the ship you're running skilled up to V)... but I'm not sure how often people would actually do that. Many skills have exceptionally long training times to go from level 4 to 5... for the same incremental increase you got for each of the levels going to lvl 4. In a practical sense... being able to reship into a better ship against what you're facing is more valuable than getting some of those lvl 5's to "perfect" the skills for one ship.
So... I would say there is a point where your character cannot be improved for what you're doing... which by definition is a sort of end game. But it takes so long to get there and you can get close enough to be competitive in a much shorter time that effectively the endgame isn't really played by many people. |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3018
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Posted - 2017.05.16 19:39:20 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I forgot to mention. You are posting in my endgame. For me and many others, this place - General Discussion - it the pinnacle of EVE. Mr Epeen much better to go on the forums and tell other people to do stuff rather than do it yourself.
Most other games have a quest chain that takes you through the game world and gives you some storyline where you level up your character and/or get better gear and end game is what you do when you have maxed your level, and pretty much just grind out some gear. This often leads to boredom as players typically beat content faster than devs can make it, they typically throw in some super grindy stuff that isn't of any actual importance because a lot of players will just do it without question.
In eve you are perpetually leveling your character and gear rapidly becomes good enough, most pvp fits are mostly t2 maybe splurge on a faction item here or there, and pve stuff typically t2 guns with some faction damage mods and maybe a little shiny on the tank. the npc enemies are typically pretty boring and predictable. However in eve the players are always changing and we get patches every so often that nudge the fotm in a new direction. I'd consider a few activities end game pve, like burner missions, carrier ratting, high end ded complexes, incursions, and rorqual mining. All of these take some time to train into and some have some big start up costs. End game pvp is well a never ending and nearly undefined, we have all sorts of solo, small gang, and large scale fleet pvp options and heck most of it can be joined in at a very young character age.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2688
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:04:26 -
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OK, for me the end game was to form an alliance then move to null. But then it was to leave null and maybe wormhole. Then it was to get elected to the CSM. Now it is pointing out the way I think the CSM has lost its way. I thought it might be doing OK in the alliance tournament but now I sort of did that.
I did see the claim that this forum is the end game and that is about the right amount of meta to maybe be the truth. Getting your Eve character in the world news turns out to not be the end game.
I now believe the end game may be finally returning to the original Everquest. Wait, that isn't it!
The end game is simple. That next thing you want to do is clearly your end game. When you run out of those you enter the bitter vet game phase and that eventually leads to your final encounter with the ultimate Eve MOB boss. The forum moderator and the perma-ban! :-)
OK, maybe that isn't it.
I am going to go back to the end game involves leaving Eve for good to play a different game. I'd suggest this one:
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
163
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:12:51 -
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As there is no hard set end-game we know of, it's what your little heart desires. I have yet to figure out what mine will be. Hopefully live out the life of the server. |
Kitsa
Warcrows
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:25:55 -
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end game every time you undock |
Haile Korhal
Professional Amateurs
45
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:31:09 -
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Playing in the sandbox of Eve long enough to see it become a litterbox, that is the true end game. You can either scoop it every day, or... Well...
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
793
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:42:04 -
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End game? What end game? In sandbox? End game will be when I'll stop playing EvE.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
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Defecanda
Ice Mining Boys Requiem Eternal
55
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:52:44 -
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- Selling yourself on the streets to save up $24,000 USD
- Converting it to PLEX
- Selling PLEX for ISK
- Converting ISK to Skill Injectors
- Putting them all in one character for 450mil SP
- Feeling God-Like
- Lose Internet Connection and look around realizing you have no friends, your family left you and your crotch constantly itches (cuz you sold your body for $24,000 spent on a game)
- End real life clone without setting a home base
- Game Over
End Game
[i][b]CCP Zulu.....-á-á-á-á-á
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.-á[/b](i like to steal sigs)[/i]
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1214
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Posted - 2017.05.16 23:17:10 -
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The so-called End Game in Eve is there, it's just not what the game defines it to be...it's what you define it to be.
It's not like other story-driven games where you have one or multiple possible terminating points in the story resulting in a cut-scene that proceeds to pat you on the back for doing a good job then shows you rolling credits and returns you to some main menu.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2017.05.16 23:17:37 -
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Defecanda wrote:
- Selling yourself on the streets to save up $24,000 USD
- Converting it to PLEX
- Selling PLEX for ISK
- Converting ISK to Skill Injectors
- Putting them all in one character for 450mil SP
- Feeling God-Like
- Lose Internet Connection and look around realizing you have no friends, your family left you and your crotch constantly itches (cuz you sold your body for $24,000 spent on a game)
- End real life clone without setting a home base
- Game Over
End Game
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HydrogenBond Shaishi
C-H-C
10
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Posted - 2017.05.17 00:40:58 -
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The end game was Apocrypha. After that...just lipstick on pigs. You're dead to me->eve |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1552
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Posted - 2017.05.17 01:34:35 -
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There is no typical end game as like all MMOs you can always just keep playing. The ultimate endgame is a personal one though where you have no more goals nor any desire to make more and you stop logging in. Ironically its much akin to Mid life crisis in real life, you just cant log out of real life, though some DO "check out" permanently.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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mkint
1764
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Posted - 2017.05.17 02:56:32 -
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The end game is when you stop logging in. Even moreso if you still manage to play the game without logging in.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
3738
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Posted - 2017.05.17 04:50:57 -
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I agree with a few folks above. You set goals and achieving them each has the potential to be end game OR you set a new goal.
All in all> the end game is burnout. If you still have something to work for, towards, or people to work with for some common cause then you have not reached then end. If it is all 'been there done that and the other stuff looks stupid' then you are at end game or waiting for a new game to arive from the sands and present itself to you.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2551
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Posted - 2017.05.17 07:09:08 -
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You have to set your own goals in EVE. There is no "current final end boss" to beat. One man's endgame is an other man's intermediate milestone. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4070
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Posted - 2017.05.17 08:06:42 -
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EVE is the endgame to all the other games which are just sad grinds and try (but fail) to prepare you for this ultimate experience.
Sometimes when I look at other MMOs I just have to shake my head. Somehow people are so used to those ****** concepts they don't even question them anymore.
The so called end-game or PvP experiences in those other titles are somehow completely separated from the actual game you start out with. Like it is some kind of attached minigame which has absolutely nothing to do with the sad grind you hat to endure to reach it. Also this PvP experiences are often just silly games like capture the flag or some arena team fight. Not sure why someone would grind weeks - months just to play a really cheap copy of capture the flag with some serious balancing issues which will obviously never even get addressed, because it is just a minigame anyway.
And the really REALLY sad part is when those crippled souls then come here and demand that EVE conforms to their notions of how an MMO should workand don't understand how completely ridiculous they sound with their distorted view of what constitutes a fun game.
In EVE there is no skill grinding, you set your goals and you play the real deal from day one.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
198
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Posted - 2017.05.17 08:30:26 -
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Sorry to bring out the girly poetry boys, but T. S. Eliot sums up the Eve end game quite well in the last part of:
The Hollow Men
Here we go round the prickly pear Prickly pear prickly pear Here we go round the prickly pear At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception And the creation Between the emotion And the response Falls the Shadow Life is very long
Between the desire And the spasm Between the potency And the existence Between the essence And the descent Falls the Shadow For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is Life is For Thine is the
This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.
Kurtz uses this poem to explain the Vietnam War in Coppola's "Apocalypse Now" - the adaptation of Conrads "Heart of Darkness".
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.
(Bob's a cuck)
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
653
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Posted - 2017.05.17 11:50:59 -
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Every time i get close to the end game i kick over my sand castle and start rebuilding it again.
Noeg.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Mollie Mormon
Interstellar Consciousness
26
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Posted - 2017.05.17 12:40:50 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Here's how I see it. Sir, you left out conquering the forums!
*noeg
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
483
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Posted - 2017.05.17 12:50:11 -
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no end game
There is a hard ceiling to any given bit of content, but you can change content. Technically that means that if you trained everything to V you hit 'end game', but that's not realistic for most people. So while I can fly almost every sub-cap in the game, I haven't even begun capitals. While I can run 2 industry jobs at a time, I could eventually run an industrial empire. Or build a sov alliance. Or....... |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1605
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:46:31 -
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End game for myself is getting in the right mood to look over and modify articles on Uniwiki or maybe write guides. I've only just started but considering how complicated and difficult it is to get started in this game I am starting to want to help people more and more without burning myself out of course.
(maybe I still do?) I used to want to join an alliance and with my own corporation, take sovereign nullsec - maybe imitate being like a faction .. own an entire constellation somewhere. The closest I got to that was just taking it upon myself as a member of a renter alliance in Insmother but my alliance overlords didn't trust me enough to let me take it in the name of my former corporation Blue Aurochs and they made sure to put the structures down with the holding alliance. Which was too bad I think most of Eve has this mindset and for good reason obviously. Wish there was a good decentralized alliance somewhere and I had the time and the FC abilities .. and I also realized the mega-amount of comms and mandatory everything I can't even force on myself let alone others that it would take to do this so this dream is dead.
@lunettelulu7
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Sethyrh Nakrar
Drake Mining and Acquisition Inc.
74
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:56:54 -
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Max Deveron wrote:I see in various forum threads, there is no end game, or this or that is end game.
So I am curious, simply that and so I am asking the community to pass knowledge of this post to others they know.
Question is: What do you consider end game? Well. Its a Sandbox, so I have my own endgame. I know a guy who trades and does PVE in Highsec. Some like Lowsec, some like Nullsec. Creepy Wormholeguys* like wormholes. Endgame is what you wanna do.
*CCP said that on the fanfest.
Praise the Omnissiah!
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Benje en Divalone
10
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Posted - 2017.05.17 18:37:08 -
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I am one of those "race to end-game" people.
End game is when I reach the skill threshold that lets me participate in the group content I'm interested in with folks I choose to play with instead of the ones LFG picks for me. I have my own pace when burning through levelling content and I get frustrated if somebody has a noticeably different speed.
Small group activities (dungeons) are ok-ish but I prefer larger (10-20+) group activities that aren't utterly braindead like most world boss fights. I've seen a number of scaling systems over the years. They work to an extent but typically they just modify how much damage and healing you can pump out and how many hit points you have. Scale down a max level and they'll probably have skills and even set bonuses that trivialize the content. Scale up a low level and they may be missing some critical skills (cc break, interrupt, etc.).
But what about the journey? I play MMO's to be with people. If I wanted a story I'd read a book, watch a movie or play a single player game.
EVE doesn't have one end-game, it has several. The ability to specialize lets me get there as fast or as slow as I want. Heck, my first week I joined a fairly successful low-sec roam (lost two Atrons )
All I need to figure out is how to PLEX 10+ accounts so I can do all the things |
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