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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.18 22:36:47 -
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I havent bought plex in a while but i seem to remember the $100 pack being 6 plex its now just over 5 months of plex? is this what happened or did the $100 always give 5
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11096
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Posted - 2017.05.18 22:45:34 -
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Quote:did plex get more expensive?
Yes.
Mr Epeen
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3997
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:16:57 -
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A couple of the packs changed value I think, most of them didn't though, but they all got calculated in base value from the new smallest package which is more expensive. (And before was far too small to be bought). So it looks like plex changed value on a lot of packs since the 'bonus' amount changed. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:23:07 -
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lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor
BLOPS Hauler
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:28:24 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor
No. The only one that is more expensive is the 1000 NuPlex. Most of the others are cheaper.
Edit: For your convenience, I will note that your confusion stems from the fact that the NuPlex package is $100 while the old 6 plex package was $105. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:35:36 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor No. The only one that is more expensive is the 1000 NuPlex. Most of the others are cheaper. Edit: For your convenience, I will note that your confusion stems from the fact that the NuPlex package is $100 while the old 6 plex package was $105.
your looking at it like the fool they take you for
in order to get 3k plex (old 6) you now have to buy the 99 and two of the 4.99 so that is 109.97
BLOPS Hauler
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:42:43 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:lol they seem to have all changed in CCPs favor No. The only one that is more expensive is the 1000 NuPlex. Most of the others are cheaper. Edit: For your convenience, I will note that your confusion stems from the fact that the NuPlex package is $100 while the old 6 plex package was $105. your looking at it like the fool they take you for in order to get 3k plex (old 6) you now have to buy the 99 and two of the 4.99 so that is 109.97
And in order to get 110 Plex in the old system, you had to buy 500 plex and spend $15 extra dollars...
Seriously though, why do you need exactly 6 plex? You're not using them to plex your account, or else you'd buy a subscription for less. So the fact that you're getting slightly less than 6 is irrelevant when the ~5.7 you're getting are the exact same price per unit that you got in the old system. In fact, you can argue that it's even better, since you don't have to spend as much money to get as good of a per unit price.
Further the $250 NuPlex package saves you $0.60 per plex and the $500 NuPlex package saves you $1.30 per Plex.
The only NuPlex ppu where you pay more than the old option is the 1000 NuPlex variant. Everyone is the same, or benefits.
I took ya to school.....math school. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:48:49 -
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no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex
BLOPS Hauler
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:51:24 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex
And it costs less now to get ~5.7 old plex in today's system than the old system....
If you don't understand why you're not making sense by now, I can't really help you. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1693
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:55:09 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex And it costs less now to get ~5.7 old plex in today's system than the old system.... If you don't understand why you're not making sense by now, I can't really help you. You're joking right?
It doesn't matter if it costs less to buy less. That doesn't make it cheaper.
It costs more to buy the same amount than it used to in many cases. That is, it is more expensive.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
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Posted - 2017.05.18 23:59:57 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:no matter how you spin it if it costs more to get 3k than it used to it costs more to get 3k plex And it costs less now to get ~5.7 old plex in today's system than the old system.... If you don't understand why you're not making sense by now, I can't really help you. You're joking right? It doesn't matter if it costs less to buy less. That doesn't make it cheaper. It costs more to buy the same amount than it used to in many cases. That is, it is more expensive.
Read the whole thread. And no, I'm not joking. If I want exactly 1,100 NuPlex, I only pay 99.99. In the old system, I would have to buy 6 Plex and pay $105.00. I would be forced to spend an extra $5.00 in the old system.
The only things that matter is ppu.
Basically, this guy isn't really whining that PLEX is more expensive. What he's whining about is that CCP replaced some of their odd-numbered deals (e.g. $105, $210, $490) with more normal-numbered deals (e.g. $100, $250, $500). The ppu however, remains the same (or is better). |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1693
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:07:38 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:Read the whole thread. And no, I'm not joking. If I want exactly 1,100 NuPlex, I only pay 99.99. In the old system, I would have to buy 6 Plex and pay $105.00. I would be forced to spend an extra $5.00 in the old system.
The only things that matter is ppu.
Basically, this guy isn't really whining that PLEX is more expensive. What he's whining about is that CCP replaced some of their odd-numbered deals (e.g. $105, $210, $490) with more normal numbers (e.g. $100, $250, $500). 1100 NuPlex is $99?
That would mean 2.2 old PLEX is $99?
I think not. If you want exactly 1100NuPlex, pay $39.99 and buy the 1100 pack.
$99 gets you 2860 NuPlex. This is short of the equivalent 3000 for 6 PLEX you would have purchased before.
To buy 3000 NuPlex +
1. x $99 @ 2860 1 x $4.99 @ 110
Is still short of 6 PLEX in the old system, so you have to purchase an additional $4.99 pack to get the equivalent of the previous 6 PLEX, giving you 80 NuPlex left over.
That's a total cost now, to get the equivalent of the former 6 PLEX, of 99 + 4.99 + 4.99 = $108.98
That is more expensive than it was before, though you are also provided a slightly more amount of 80 NuPlex than buying 6 PLEX under the old system (ie. $108.98 gives you 6.16 old PLEX).
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:13:49 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote:Read the whole thread. And no, I'm not joking. If I want exactly 1,100 NuPlex, I only pay 99.99. In the old system, I would have to buy 6 Plex and pay $105.00. I would be forced to spend an extra $5.00 in the old system.
The only things that matter is ppu.
Basically, this guy isn't really whining that PLEX is more expensive. What he's whining about is that CCP replaced some of their odd-numbered deals (e.g. $105, $210, $490) with more normal numbers (e.g. $100, $250, $500). 1100 NuPlex is $99? That would mean 2.2 old PLEX is $99? I think not. $99 gets you 2860 NuPlex. This is short of the equivalent 3000 for 6 PLEX you would have purchased before. To buy 3000 NuPlex + 1. x $99 @ 2860 1 x $4.99 @ 110 Is still short of 6 PLEX in the old system, so you have to purchase an additional $4.99 pack to get the equivalent of the previous 6 PLEX, giving you 80 NuPlex left over. That's a total cost now, to get the equivalent of the former 6 PLEX, of 99 + 4.99 + 4.99 = $108.98 That is more expensive than it was before, though you are also provided a slightly more amount of 80 NuPlex than buying 6 PLEX under the old system (ie. $108.98 gives you 6.16 old PLEX).
No it's cheaper than it was before.
In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason. But in order to get that 5.7ish Plex, I had to pay $105.00.
Now in the new system, I only have to pay 99.99 to get that 5.7 ish Plex and I get the exact same ppu as in the old $105.00 package.
In short, I'm getting the same great deal, and I'm saving money by only having to buy exactly what I want. :)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11097
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:19:11 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote: In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason.
There's a sub-forum for fan fiction.
Keep it out of GD.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:21:06 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote: In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason.
There's a sub-forum for fan fiction. Keep it out of GD. Mr Epeen
6 inches plex is just too big ;) |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:23:29 -
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Don't argue with someone that doesn't know the difference between your and you're
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:26:13 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Don't argue with someone that doesn't know the difference between your and you're
your will always be faster to swipe into a phone
BLOPS Hauler
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1693
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:53:06 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason. But in order to get that 5.7ish Plex, I had to pay $105.00. How did you buy exactly 5.7 old PLEX?
This should be an interesting answer.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:54:34 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Obsidian Blacke wrote:In the old system, I wanted exactly 5.7ish plex for some obscure reason. But in order to get that 5.7ish Plex, I had to pay $105.00. How did you buy exactly 5.7 PLEX in the old system? This should be an interesting answer.
you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less
BLOPS Hauler
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1693
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:54:49 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Don't argue with someone that doesn't know the difference between your and you're your will always be faster to swipe into a phone 'ur' is even faster.
But then we'd trigger Epeen. We have to look after the old guys.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:58:31 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Don't argue with someone that doesn't know the difference between your and you're your will always be faster to swipe into a phone 'ur' is even faster. But then we'd trigger Epeen. We have to look after the old guys.
not when swiping my phone auto corrects ur to your
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3997
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Posted - 2017.05.19 02:06:53 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less
But Plex don't cost more. If you look for a specific value of plex at which the packages no longer suit sure you can find a situation where you have to spend more. But on the whole the plex price is equivalent to the old price. The structure of where the 'bonus' plex are is different because Bonus are now measured from the 'more expensive' $5 option. Not the $20 500 plex option. But that is a marketing spin visual, not an actual difference. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1694
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Posted - 2017.05.19 02:14:19 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less
But Plex don't cost more. If you look for a specific value of plex at which the packages no longer suit sure you can find a situation where you have to spend more. But on the whole the plex price is equivalent to the old price. The structure of where the 'bonus' plex are is different because Bonus are now measured from the 'more expensive' $5 option. Not the $20 500 plex option. But that is a marketing spin visual, not an actual difference. What's the answer to the question Lugh asked in the OP:
I havent bought plex in a while but i seem to remember the $100 pack being 6 plex its now just over 5 months of plex? is this what happened or did the $100 always give 5
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.19 02:18:43 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less
But Plex don't cost more. If you look for a specific value of plex at which the packages no longer suit sure you can find a situation where you have to spend more. But on the whole the plex price is equivalent to the old price. The structure of where the 'bonus' plex are is different because Bonus are now measured from the 'more expensive' $5 option. Not the $20 500 plex option. But that is a marketing spin visual, not an actual difference. What's the answer to the question Lugh asked in the OP: I havent bought plex in a while but i seem to remember the $100 pack being 6 plex its now just over 5 months of plex? is this what happened or did the $100 always give 5
I already told him. They did not have a '$100 for 6 plex' pack. It was a $105 pack for 6 plex. He was mis-remembering the price. That pack no longer exists.
I also told him what he was really upset about was not the price of the plex (as it had stayed the same on a per unit basis at around the same price point), but the fact that they had eliminated the $105 pack, but cray wanna be cray. |
HydrogenBond Shaishi
C-H-C
13
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Posted - 2017.05.19 03:11:50 -
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I think this is the case. Look at the PLEX prices in the market |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.19 05:30:47 -
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HydrogenBond Shaishi wrote:I think this is the case. Look at the PLEX prices in the market
That's also compounded with it being more work to sell. A lot of us made our isk buying and selling plex on the market. It being predictable with low volume high value made this a great way to make isk. With low value high volume there is more effort in trading it
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3926
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Posted - 2017.05.19 05:31:39 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you couldn't that's his point. in his mind its okay that plex cost more now because you can buy less
But Plex don't cost more. If you look for a specific value of plex at which the packages no longer suit sure you can find a situation where you have to spend more. But on the whole the plex price is equivalent to the old price. The structure of where the 'bonus' plex are is different because Bonus are now measured from the 'more expensive' $5 option. Not the $20 500 plex option. But that is a marketing spin visual, not an actual difference. What's the answer to the question Lugh asked in the OP: I havent bought plex in a while but i seem to remember the $100 pack being 6 plex its now just over 5 months of plex? is this what happened or did the $100 always give 5 I already told him. They did not have a '$100 for 6 plex' pack. It was a $105 pack for 6 plex. He was mis-remembering the price. That pack no longer exists. I also told him what he was really upset about was not the price of the plex (as it had stayed the same on a per unit basis at around the same price point), but the fact that they had eliminated the $105 pack, but cray wanna be cray.
More upset that it is more than $4 more to buy 6 plex than it used to be
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3997
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Posted - 2017.05.19 05:52:00 -
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But only if you buy exactly (or as close to exactly) 6 plex as possible, rather than just stepping up to the next pack size and getting more than 6 plex. It's the same as if you argued that with old plex 7 Plex cost more per plex than 6 because you had to buy a single plex for $20 to add the 7th.
I.E. It's an utter strawman argument. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:00:51 -
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well no because now to get the 7 plex it is $100+$20+$5+$5 as opposed to the $105+$20
BLOPS Hauler
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3997
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:09:58 -
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Except you are still deliberately picking the most expensive way to do it by attempting to exactly match that number And failing at basic literacy as to what I actually said.
The price has not gone up per plex, they have just changed the package sizes and the new size no longer suits you.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3926
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:15:17 -
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what no that is the cheapest way to do it. is there a cheaper combination???
BLOPS Hauler
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3997
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:19:53 -
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Your argument is akin to me saying 'I only wanted 5 plex, but to get 5 plex under the old system cost me $105, so 5 plex cost too much'. Or more accurately the 7 plex method I listed above where per plex it costs more than 6. The cheaper 'Per plex' way is just buy the next larger package. If you mix & match smaller packages to make an exact value then obviously it's going to cost you more than a single big package.
That does not mean that Plex are more expensive on the whole, that means you are attempting to pick a very specific example where if you buy EXACTLY a certain number of plex across several packages it costs more.
So your complaint here is nothing to do with the price per plex, and all to do with CCP not offering a 6 old plex package anymore. |
Salvos Rhoska
2922
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:36:41 -
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One good thing, is there is bits of PLEX being sold in many places. Its good that Jita doesnt have the top 20l listings on a commodity, whenever that happens.
Bad thing, is its all still fixed to Jita prices, and thanks to PLEX Vault, it really doesnt matter much where it is bought.
Id have prefered that PLEX required transport inorder to implement, but its way too late for that now.
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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
2177
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Posted - 2017.05.19 06:55:52 -
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I like the way of thought of some people here.
"If for some reason i want 0.9 of beer can i can do it for just for less money than before! And even if the whole can is more expensive now it means beer is cheaper!".
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3926
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Posted - 2017.05.19 07:39:42 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Your argument is akin to me saying 'I only wanted 5 plex, but to get 5 plex under the old system cost me $105, so 5 plex cost too much'. Or more accurately the 7 plex method I listed above where per plex it costs more than 6. The cheaper 'Per plex' way is just buy the next larger package. If you mix & match smaller packages to make an exact value then obviously it's going to cost you more than a single big package.
That does not mean that Plex are more expensive on the whole, that means you are attempting to pick a very specific example where if you buy EXACTLY a certain number of plex across several packages it costs more.
So your complaint here is nothing to do with the price per plex, and all to do with CCP not offering a 6 old plex package anymore.
m8 i'm not complaining i don't buy the stuff for real world isk trying to figure things out to help predict market prices.
and overall plex is now either more expensive or the same as it was except on the very high end bulk buys. that was all i needed to know
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Kristal Rova
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.05.19 17:19:46 -
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Here it goes again...
Skill injectors price to the infinite and beyond.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
624
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:49:19 -
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Under the old system, if I wanted to buy 6 plex using only the smallest packages, it would cost me 120 dollars.
under the new system, to get the same amount of nuplex I would need to buy 28 packages at 5 dollars each, which costs about 140 dollars... sure I'd be getting about 80 or so extra nuplex out of it, but THATS NOT THE POINT!!! clearly ccp is just scamming and trying to steal our money!!! |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33676
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:59:17 -
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EVE online confirmed scam.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
694
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:00:07 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Under the old system, if I wanted to buy 6 plex using only the smallest packages, it would cost me 120 dollars.
under the new system, to get the same amount of nuplex I would need to buy 28 packages at 5 dollars each, which costs about 140 dollars... sure I'd be getting about 80 or so extra nuplex out of it, but THATS NOT THE POINT!!! clearly ccp is just scamming and trying to steal our money!!!
You can not be serious. You are puling chains, right?
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
624
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:04:02 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Under the old system, if I wanted to buy 6 plex using only the smallest packages, it would cost me 120 dollars.
under the new system, to get the same amount of nuplex I would need to buy 28 packages at 5 dollars each, which costs about 140 dollars... sure I'd be getting about 80 or so extra nuplex out of it, but THATS NOT THE POINT!!! clearly ccp is just scamming and trying to steal our money!!! You can not be serious. You are puling chains, right?
It makes about as much sense as picking and choosing from smaller new options in order to get an exact number rather than just getting the larger combined package. |
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
25
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:44:12 -
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March rabbit wrote:I like the way of thought of some people here. "If for some reason i want 0.9 of beer can i can do it for just for less money than before! And even if the whole can is more expensive now it means beer is cheaper!".
Technically, it'd be more like this:
If for some reason I wanted 90% of an old can of beer, I can now get that amount for less money than before! While the can has gotten smaller, it's the same price per mL as the old can, so I'm not throwing away any money by buying all the extra beer that I had to in the past!
*toast* To beer! |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
370
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Posted - 2017.05.20 06:16:03 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:what no that is the cheapest way to do it. is there a cheaper combination???
yes the price per plex has stayed the same but the bulk discounts have been lowered. thus making plex more expensive. if its not at all more expensive thats fine by me i just want to know. i don't buy from CCP but knowing if it has gotten more expensive is important for ppl like me who trade it
Lugh, it took me all of 1 hour to find an old email copy.......
6 plex, $104.97: 104.97/6= 17.495 per plex
2860/500 = 5.72 plex
99.99/5.72 = 17.48 per plex
It has gotten more expensive.....imo, hope that helps your calculations. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3930
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Posted - 2017.05.20 06:28:10 -
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those calculations show it has gotten cheaper. though do to the need of 500 to sub i do suspect each plex to be worth more now than before (each 500)
i'm probably just going to watch the market i already sold off a bunch during the initial spike so i have a good cushion to sit on as i see the market settle
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