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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
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Posted - 2017.05.19 10:50:38 -
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As CEO of one of the smallest but most dedicated Anti-Ganking corps in EVE, I have made it my mission, my raison d'etre, to giving industrialists a fighting chance to survive and prosper in this fractious universe. After months of carefully studying both human and signal intelligence, engaging in research and development, and numerous instances of trial and error, I have prepared this handy guide to keeping your industrial operations safe from New Eden's greatest nuisances.
I've just lost my ship to a CODE attack. I'm so angry! What do I do?
Firstly, don't bother filing any kind of petition to CCP. Sadly, CODE and their allies are exploiting a loophole in the game's rules that states griefing is allowed, so long as the activity is profitable. Your petition will likely be ignored outright.
Secondly, don't bother trying to talk with the ganker, you'll only be setting yourself up for more woe. New Order (CODE and co.) agents will show you absolutely no sympathy, as they are utterly convinced that their cause is just despite their rampantly hypocritical and psychopathic behaviour. Your agony and heartbreak will be met with a condescending "calm down miner" and repeated demands for purchase of a 'permit'. If the exchange becomes particularly heated, they may take the issue further and threaten your cop with a wardec. DO NOT CONTACT YOUR ASSAILANT AND DEFINITELY DO NOT PAY THEM. New Order agents will revoke a permit at the slightest pretext (sometimes under no pretext at all), and there is no real appeals process. Any isk you give them - and whatever they destroy and steal from you upon permit revocation - will be gone. It's not worth 10mil.
Finally, you need to critically evaluate the circumstances under which you were attacked. What ship did you use, and what fit? What system were you in? What were you doing at the time? Taking a few simple precautions, such as those listed below, will render the New Order's methods useless against you. You'll never have to pay them again.
How do I prevent a gank in high security space? I thought we were supposed to be safe!
As CCP have repeatedly stated, no area in the EVE universe is completely safe. You are expected to remain vigilant and look out for yourself and/or your companions in fleet. Mining or hauling AFK is not advised. If you have to leave your computer to do something, do it quickly. Avoid using autopilot unless you know the route is safe. Make sure your haulers/freighters are fitted for maximum protection. If you have to haul cargo between regions, use a blockade runner, deep space transport or jump freighter if you are able.
If you have a Tech I freighter, make sure it is fitted with bulkhead modules, and NOTHING ELSE. "But I wanted more cargo space" is not going to save you from the gate campers waiting in the next system. Be sensible, and fit properly.
Blockade runners work best when fitted with warp accelerators and a covert ops cloak.
Deep space transports are trickier to protect against gankers, but a well-fit DST is worth the cost.
If you can't use any T2 ships, the best thing to do is fill your hauler's low slots with warp core stabilizers, allowing you to avoid being tackled.
If you're a miner capable of using mining barges, my corp has developed Procurer fits with combined ECM/shield tank for use against not only suicide ganks in hisec, but against pirates in lowsec. By using ewar to shut down a ganker's targeting scanners, you can buy yourself precious seconds to recall your drones and warp to safety. Training the Frequency Modulation and Long Distance Jamming skills will increase the effectiveness of these setups.
Anti-Ganking Procurer T1 Procurer 2x Strip Miner I 4x Multispectral ECM I 1x Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor 1x Compulsive Signal Distortion Amplifier I 3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Anti-Ganking Procurer T2 Procurer 2x Modulated Strip Miner II 4x Multispectral ECM II 1x Co-Processor II 1x Signal Distortion Amplifier II 3x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I or II
Location is important, too. Keep a close eye on CODE activity in your region and mine in systems with the least activity. They prefer 'bottleneck' systems with high ore concentrations like Uedama, Niarja and Madirmilire. Check the 'Highsec' filter on zkillboard to get listings of recent and earlier kills in hisec systems and you can start to see patterns of activity. Of course, if you wanted to avoid them entirely, there are many lowsec systems that see very little traffic. My alt can spend days mining jaspet and hemorphite in low and see hardly anyone. |
JC Mieyli
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:01:22 -
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and then code was dead |
Eve Griefer
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:13:57 -
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I'm sorry to say, but it's not a loophole, not griefing and is, from posts by CCP, desired play. |
Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:30:51 -
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I was half-expecting a single word..
"OBEY"
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
294
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:37:13 -
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And after reading the whole post, I feel I just said the same but shorter. Are you suggesting using a heavily tanked mining vessel, or even leaving Higsec? That agenda is too familiar to me.
Admit it, you are an Agent too!
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
242
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:37:57 -
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This thread is going to go places..........
Seriously, though, wouldn't this be better up in the New Citizen Q and A area? Anyone who has been in this game for more than 30 days should be both well aware of CODE and all the myriad ways to either avoid or reduce their chances on being ganked. Not saying the OP doesn't have useful info for the newbros, but this discussion/info has been covered ad nauseum in GD for years.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
363
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:39:36 -
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So, you're tryin' to make miners THINK and LEARN. You may be surprised to know that CODE do exactly the same thing.
Evelopedia via Wayback Machine
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1813
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:51:14 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Firstly, don't bother filing any kind of petition to CCP. Sadly, CODE and their allies are exploiting a loophole in the game's rules that states griefing is allowed, so long as the activity is profitable. Your petition will likely be ignored outright.
Its not a loophole. It is exactly how the game was designed, and is a vaild form of gameplay.
Also,
Moved to Crime and Punishment.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
364
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Posted - 2017.05.19 11:55:57 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Moved to Crime and Punishment. ...and that's where the thread is goin' to die.
Evelopedia via Wayback Machine
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3430
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:01:50 -
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Hmm. I think the title you went for this thread is a little misleading. It seems like you offer exactly zero recommendations to defeat the New Order of Highsec, only some basic practises to keep your ships safe in highsec. Aside from some unfortunate basic misapprehensions on how this game was designed and works, your "guide" basically boils down to "don't be AFK" and "tank your ship", two of the core commandments of the Code. Are you angling for someone to bequeath an honourary 'Agent of the New Order' title on you?
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
622
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Posted - 2017.05.19 12:37:37 -
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Tldr version 1) move more than 8 jumps from the major trade hubs and shipping routes. Particularly Jita 2) tank your ship 3) pay attention to local and warp out when hostiles enter 4) move to null sec |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
new order logistics CODE.
790
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:02:31 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:"How to defeat CODE.?"
1. Follow the Code.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWKMCBrVEI4
Agent of the New Order
Live by the Code - die by the Code.
The Voice of Highsec
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3152
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:07:54 -
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The Code always wins.
If they gank you and you die, they win. (Obviously) If they gank you and you live, they win. (They still had fun trying) If you mine less dangerously after getting ganked, they win. (Less people doing boring gameplay) If you don't mine less dangerously after getting ganked, they win. (More targets for them) If you counter-gank them and fail, they win. (Less people doing boring gameplay) If you counter-gank them and succeed, they win. (Less people doing boring gameplay)
The Code isn't about ganking miners, it's about Code members having fun and encouraging people to play in a less boring manner. It's an idea, not a corporation or an alliance, and ideas are notoriously hard to defeat.
DISCLAIMER: I have never been a CODE. member and I only very rarely suicide gank.
(Yes, I realize that there is a lot of other political and financial stuff involved with most aspects of ganking, but if you're speaking of The Code in it's purest sense, my above post is accurate.)
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
617
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:09:00 -
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Sadly CODE. cannot be defeated. They can be avoided. But they are insidious, like bureaucracy level insidious, and thus can not be defeated.
They incorporated all the survival adaptations of ticks, fleas and cockroaches. So they are effectively invulnerable to smashing, squeezing, and nukes from orbit. They also acquired anti adhesive technology somewhere and this renders them invulnerable to glue pads. |
Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
118
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:17:43 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:This thread is going to go places..........
Seriously, though, wouldn't this be better up in the New Citizen Q and A area? Anyone who has been in this game for more than 30 days should be both well aware of CODE and all the myriad ways to either avoid or reduce their chances on being ganked. Not saying the OP doesn't have useful info for the newbros, but this discussion/info has been covered ad nauseum in GD for years.
You'd think so, but there are plenty of less new players who still keep making the same stupid mistakes. If they won't shape up after reading the OP, there's no hope for them.
Quote:Its not a loophole. It is exactly how the game was designed, and is a vaild form of gameplay.
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
Quote: your "guide" basically boils down to "don't be AFK" and "tank your ship", two of the core commandments of the Code
No, it doesn't. AFK is discouraged, but nowhere does the guide say "don't be AFK ever". Also, as James 315 himself has pointed out, pure tank won't save you. Even if this guide did exhibit some aspects of the Code (it doesn't, lrn2reading comprehension), it still opposes the New Order and discourages people from giving any money to them. |
The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
344
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:37:37 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Quote:Its not a loophole. It is exactly how the game was designed, and is a vaild form of gameplay. Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
I regularly play Counterstrike, a game in which I am encouraged to murder 5 possible terrorists for 8 rounds before becoming a terrorist myself and trying to blow up some chickens. Despite this I do not consider myself
- A member of a SWAT/Anti Terrorist team
- A member of a terrorist organisation
- A Mass murderer who has caused the deaths of tens of thousands of people
- Schizophrenic
The reason for this being that I understand its just a game and I can act like any of these things and not have it reflect on my real life persona.
I do not feel bad for blowing people up with my C4 explosive, or killing 5 "terrorists" who may, for all I know, be defending their homeland against the cruel government to which I answer. Because its just a game.
There are players behind the avatars of every.single.person I kill. I do not feel bad for them. They logged into the game, same as I did. They knew the rules. They knew what could happen to them. Still they did it. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:37:54 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
True, and thats part of the EVE Experence.
As CCP Falcon has stated in the past :
Quote:Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.
While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.
The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.
True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.
The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.
EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.
EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.
EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.
Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.
EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.
Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.
That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.
Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1875
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:26:52 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Sadly, CODE and their allies are exploiting a loophole in the game's rules that states griefing is allowed, so long as the activity is profitable..
This is false, they don't grief. Just because a player makes you very mad doesn't mean they are griefers. There is no loophole, CODE only exist in hisec.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:38:45 -
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I personally love that the OP starts out complaining that Its an exploit and ccp is complicit to the fact. Despite mountains of evidence and statements from all sides to the contrary. But then in the second part (where the only real advice is) it sums up to "Follow the Code, just don't pay up
Don't be afk. Don't go unranked. Be social and be aware.
Yup clearly OP is advocating code compliance without giving proper attribution.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3153
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:11:11 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Firstly, don't bother filing any kind of petition to CCP. Sadly, CODE and their allies are exploiting a loophole in the game's rules that states griefing is allowed, so long as the activity is profitable. Your petition will likely be ignored outright. Griefing in EvE is not allowed and should absolutely be reported to CCP immediately.
Suicide ganking in EvE is not griefing. CODE adherents are not exploiting any loopholes, they are in compliance with fully allowed in-game mechanics. To qualify as griefing, a ganker would have to follow his target from system to system over a long period of time, at which point it start to qualify as harassment.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4085
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:38:42 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:I have made it my mission, my raison d'etre, to giving industrialists a fighting chance to survive and prosper in this fractious universe.
I think in the end we have the same goal, however, I think we are a bit more effective. Countless hours of New Order scientific research have shown that the most effective way is to educate the industrialist is to shoot them and provide a first hand example of the errors they made they can not ignore.
The people you are trying to reach with your post or chat in local will not respond as they are AFK doing something else. They will however respond if antimatter was applied directly to their face once they return to the computer.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Shawn en Tilavine
Knights-of-Joo Reverberation Project
15
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:48:05 -
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I give the OP credit here. At least this isn't one of the all too common "I just got ganked by CODE, it's not fair, CCP should nerf all the rules that don't support my chosen play style" threads.
Wouldn't it be great if we could just get people to read and apply the information presented. Now that would be something special.
Respectfully Submitted.
"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1361
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:59:10 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:As CEO of one of the smallest but most dedicated Anti-Ganking corps in EVE Sorry, but no one has seen your puny bosom in what? 6 months now?
lol
The Code Always Wins ;) GÖÑ
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome
CCL Loyalist
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28236
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:05:11 -
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lol
The way to beat CODE. is to educate people so that they actively play the game, and know how the game works. The tools are already there to almost completely negate the already minuscule risk of getting ganked, making yourself a harder target than the next guy by using them generally means they'll shoot the next guy instead.
For example encourage miners to mine in groups of Procurers if gankers are in town, only one thing deters would be gankers more than a Procurer ball of drone death waiting for them, and that's a Skiff ball of drone death waiting for them.
The people that die to CODE. generally weren't paying attention, or they made themselves an easy or desirable target.
People should be doing most of what they preach anyway. It's a PvP game after all.
In a PvP game, especially one like Eve with full loot mechanics, it should be obvious that flying eleventy billion isk in a cargo tanked ship across the universe in a game where other people can and will kill you in order to take it off of you is a bad idea, afk or not.
It should be common sense to set standings towards the "bad guys" of Eve so that they're bloody obvious in local, to use d-scan while mining or missioning when the aforementioned bad guys are in local, to not go afk, to not shoot at suspects in your blingy mission ship, etc, etc.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Argyle Henderson
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
7
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Posted - 2017.05.19 19:52:32 -
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Eve Griefer wrote:I'm sorry to say, but it's not a loophole, not griefing and is, from posts by CCP, desired play.
Eat space rocks crumb muncher. You can take your you ganking and you griefing and shove it up your foching afterburner space tramp. Taste my salt scumbag.
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Argyle Henderson
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
7
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:01:02 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Firstly, don't bother filing any kind of petition to CCP. Sadly, CODE and their allies are exploiting a loophole in the game's rules that states griefing is allowed, so long as the activity is profitable. Your petition will likely be ignored outright.
Its not a loophole. It is exactly how the game was designed, and is a vaild form of gameplay. Also, Moved to Crime and Punishment. [img]https://68.media.tumblr.com/d7c03b1b26a47f7c669edfbd78246ea6/tumblr_nm9jlcPaqu1rdi0e5o1_400.gif[/img]
I disagree. But whatever.
See if I had had known what this game was years ago when I started playing I would have ran away. FAR FAR AWAY. I thought Eve would be something more like Valkyrie, sort of a space sim. but no. just no. If they had instead named it @SSHOLE SPACE PIRATES...I'd have know and kept my d@mn credit card in my pocket. now it's far too late. I'm too heavily invested in the game with real world $$$ to quit. I'm sure my contribution to your paycheck Max is greatly appreciated.
Playing a game to make sure you ruin someone else's fun is about as valid as Donnie douchbag is a valid president. If that's what ccp think....ccp too can shove it up your afterburners. |
Argyle Henderson
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
7
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:03:42 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:As CEO of one of the smallest but most dedicated Anti-Ganking corps in EVE Sorry, but no one has seen your puny bosom in what? 6 months now? lol The Code Always Wins ;) GÖÑ
hey [email protected] welcome to come and try to pick up a permit from me anytime pod goo. DEATH TO CODE. |
Argyle Henderson
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
7
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:06:20 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:I have made it my mission, my raison d'etre, to giving industrialists a fighting chance to survive and prosper in this fractious universe. I think in the end we have the same goal, however, I think we are a bit more effective. Countless hours of New Order scientific research have shown that the most effective way to educate the industrialist is to shoot them and provide a first hand example of the errors they made they can not ignore. The people you are trying to reach with your post or chat in local will not respond as they are AFK doing something else. They will however respond if antimatter was applied directly to their face once they return to the computer.
how about I apply my boot to your fugly @ss. Eat my salt Code sh*tter. |
Argyle Henderson
Burning Skies Apocalypse Now.
7
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:11:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lolThe way to beat CODE. is to educate people so that they actively play the game, and know how the game works. The tools are already there to almost completely negate the already minuscule risk of getting ganked, making yourself a harder target than the next guy by using them generally means they'll shoot the next guy instead. For example encourage miners to mine in groups of Procurers if gankers are in town, only one thing deters would be gankers more than a Procurer ball of drone death waiting for them, and that's a Skiff ball of drone death waiting for them. The people that die to CODE. generally weren't paying attention, or they made themselves an easy or desirable target. People should be doing most of what they preach anyway. It's a PvP game after all. In a PvP game, especially one like Eve with full loot mechanics, it should be obvious that flying eleventy billion isk in a cargo tanked ship across the universe in a game where other people can and will kill you in order to take it off of you is a bad idea, afk or not. It should be common sense to set standings towards the "bad guys" of Eve so that they're bloody obvious in local, to use d-scan while mining or missioning when the aforementioned bad guys are in local, to not go afk, to not shoot at suspects in your blingy mission ship, etc, etc.
NO IT'S NOT ALL PVP. There are other elements to eve. And not everyone should be FORCED to pvp. unlike most of you penniless scrubs I pay to play this game and should therefore not be forced to pvp if I choose not to. How does the fact that YOU want to pvp make the fact that I DONT want to pvp any less relevant? You get to force you play choices on me but the reverse is not allowed. How about I force you to mine, rat or build? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28237
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:53:03 -
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Argyle Henderson wrote:NO IT'S NOT ALL PVP. There are other elements to eve. CCP would beg to differ, and so would I.
Official New Player FAQ wrote:Furthermore, as we mentioned previously, once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept. In the asteroid field youGÇÖre competing with other pilots to obtain resources; you may also have to defend against ore thieves. On the market you battle for control of the economy in certain areas; for the supply and demand of your products versus other aspiring tycoons. On the battlefield you may fight for glory, for money, or for the right to rule whole areas of space. As always in EVE, itGÇÖs your choice.
TL;DR Everything is PvP, the PvE is both there to enable PvP and in itself a form of passive PvP.
Quote:And not everyone should be FORCED to pvp. unlike most of you penniless scrubs I pay to play this game and should therefore not be forced to pvp if I choose not to. My, you are salty aren't you, what did you lose due to your own carelessness?
If you can't accept that you consent to PvP everytime that you log in to a PvP game, maybe you should stop playing PvP games; maybe a nice farm or truck simulator is more your speed.
FYI I pay for this game too, I too abstain from violencing other peoples spaceships. My PvP is selling them new ones when someone else violences them instead.
Quote:How does the fact that YOU want to pvp make the fact that I DONT want to pvp any less relevant? You get to force you play choices on me but the reverse is not allowed. How about I force you to mine, rat or build? I do rat, mine and build.
Everything I get from doing so ends up on the market, which is most certainly PvP
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:28:16 -
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LOL the way to beat CODE is to follow The CODE Yes, it's the only way :) I hope the OP is trolling, if not they need help.
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
434
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:30:41 -
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CODE exists for two reasons. The first is to have fun. The second is to educate. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4089
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:55:55 -
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Argyle Henderson wrote:how about I apply my boot to your fugly @ss. Eat my salt Code sh*tter. In-game? You want to kick my spaceship with a boot?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
410
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Posted - 2017.05.19 22:25:44 -
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Egads,
Please show us on the pod where J315 touched you.
So let me get this straight. You've played for years, have invested too much to leave, but haven't been able to understand or embrace any of the foundation elements that make Eve what it is. And when not just C&P quote you letter and verse, but a CCP rep points you to the "rule book" you throw a salt storm into the thread.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2244
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Posted - 2017.05.19 22:36:51 -
[35] - Quote
I've played for years as well, Argyle.
And I'll be seeing you very soon.
Hello there.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Marika Sunji
Dark-Rising Wrecking Machine.
17
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Posted - 2017.05.19 22:43:32 -
[36] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Argyle Henderson wrote:how about I apply my boot to your fugly @ss. Eat my salt Code sh*tter. In-game? You want to kick my spaceship with a boot? Do Catalysts have a boot-shaped resist hole? |
Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1880
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:09:25 -
[37] - Quote
Argyle Henderson wrote: And not everyone should be FORCED to pvp. unlike most of you penniless scrubs I pay to play this game and should therefore not be forced to pvp if I choose not to....
Nobody is forced to pvp, but it's always a possibility once you undock. Market competitors don't even need to undock. I've paid for every month of EvE since 09, that has no bearing on the validity of my opinions and changes no facts. The fact that i pay in no way modifies the game mechanics for me and would be a really weird assertion to make. If you're trolling, well done i guess, if not, you're plain Wrong.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8464
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:27:13 -
[38] - Quote
Arkoth 24 wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Moved to Crime and Punishment. ...and that's where the thread is goin' to die.
... under pile of "[MERC]" threads because they don't get their own forum.
But it's a trolling thread probably by a CODE. alt anyway so they can stay relevant. I give it a Like for the attempt either way.
(I'll even like posts I don't agree with just for the effort that goes into it)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1370
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Posted - 2017.05.19 23:32:08 -
[39] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Arkoth 24 wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Moved to Crime and Punishment. ...and that's where the thread is goin' to die. ... under pile of "[MERC]" threads because they don't get their own forum. But it's a trolling thread probably by a CODE. alt anyway so they can stay relevant. I give it a Like for the attempt either way. (I'll even like posts I don't agree with just for the effort that goes into it) Lol no Alessienne is a devout anti-ganker
She's terrible at it too
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome
CCL Loyalist
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
627
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:09:35 -
[40] - Quote
Argyle Henderson wrote:Eve Griefer wrote:I'm sorry to say, but it's not a loophole, not griefing and is, from posts by CCP, desired play. Eat space rocks crumb muncher. You can take your you ganking and you griefing and shove it up your foching afterburner space tramp. Taste my salt scumbag.
This us pure poetry. |
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1833
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Posted - 2017.05.20 00:48:24 -
[41] - Quote
Quote: 8. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
Removed post and those quoting it for the above reason.
1. ISD's do not get paid. Although I do enjoy a dank meme or two.
2. There is only one authority in this game, my friend, and that is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8466
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Posted - 2017.05.20 02:15:50 -
[42] - Quote
Dom Arkaral wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Arkoth 24 wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Moved to Crime and Punishment. ...and that's where the thread is goin' to die. ... under pile of "[MERC]" threads because they don't get their own forum. But it's a trolling thread probably by a CODE. alt anyway so they can stay relevant. I give it a Like for the attempt either way. (I'll even like posts I don't agree with just for the effort that goes into it) Lol no Alessienne is a devout anti-ganker She's terrible at it too
That does not get a like. Try harder.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1373
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Posted - 2017.05.20 03:05:17 -
[43] - Quote
trying is for bads I prefer doing and succeeding ;)
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome
CCL Loyalist
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
555
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Posted - 2017.05.20 07:10:12 -
[44] - Quote
The Procurer fits are bad. Fit to a ship's strength; ECM is not a Procurer's strength, godlike shield tank is. Also, when it comes to ECM, always favour racial modules as they are much more effective. Seeing as Gallente catalysts are common miner ganking ships, magnetometric jammers should be preferred.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
120
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Posted - 2017.05.20 07:37:37 -
[45] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:The Procurer fits are bad. Fit to a ship's strength; ECM is not a Procurer's strength, godlike shield tank is. Also, when it comes to ECM, always favour racial modules as they are much more effective. Seeing as Gallente catalysts are common miner ganking ships, magnetometric jammers should be preferred.
They don't always use Catalysts. Thrashers are common too.
You know, it really grinds my gears when minmaxers yowl at me and accuse me of badfits because "blah blah ship strength pigeonhole pigeonhole pigeonhole". One of the players I supplied the procurer fits to came back to personally thank me after he used it repeatedly in lowsec to the point of making at least one ganker raqequit. Look at the jamming strength: all ewar focused on a single target gives you a minimum of 8.8 points of ECM. Add the amplifier and some skill enhancements and you can get up to 12 points or more which can be spread across multiple targets if needed. That is not a bad fit, that is you being ridiculously inflexible and refusing to get creative. Indeed, I have lost many ships, many of them badly fit, but I learned from those fits. I learned that racial bonuses are not the be all and end all of ship fitting. I learned that many EVE players are either clueless about module stats or completely rigid in their thought and design. I learned that such cluelessness/rigidity is exploitable. And thus, the ewar Procurer was born.
'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; they know they will only get off maybe a dozen volleys at most before they are concorddokkened, so they sacrifice every other attribute to make those shots count. Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
694
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Posted - 2017.05.20 08:07:12 -
[46] - Quote
Argyle Henderson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lolThe way to beat CODE. is to educate people so that they actively play the game, and know how the game works. The tools are already there to almost completely negate the already minuscule risk of getting ganked, making yourself a harder target than the next guy by using them generally means they'll shoot the next guy instead. For example encourage miners to mine in groups of Procurers if gankers are in town, only one thing deters would be gankers more than a Procurer ball of drone death waiting for them, and that's a Skiff ball of drone death waiting for them. The people that die to CODE. generally weren't paying attention, or they made themselves an easy or desirable target. People should be doing most of what they preach anyway. It's a PvP game after all. In a PvP game, especially one like Eve with full loot mechanics, it should be obvious that flying eleventy billion isk in a cargo tanked ship across the universe in a game where other people can and will kill you in order to take it off of you is a bad idea, afk or not. It should be common sense to set standings towards the "bad guys" of Eve so that they're bloody obvious in local, to use d-scan while mining or missioning when the aforementioned bad guys are in local, to not go afk, to not shoot at suspects in your blingy mission ship, etc, etc. NO IT'S NOT ALL PVP. There are other elements to eve. And not everyone should be FORCED to pvp. unlike most of you penniless scrubs I pay to play this game and should therefore not be forced to pvp if I choose not to. How does the fact that YOU want to pvp make the fact that I DONT want to pvp any less relevant? You get to force you play choices on me but the reverse is not allowed. How about I force you to mine, rat or build?
You are wrong. EvE is a PvP game. Period.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28250
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Posted - 2017.05.20 08:39:06 -
[47] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; they know they will only get off maybe a dozen volleys at most before they are concorddokkened, so they sacrifice every other attribute to make those shots count. And with this short sentence you have proved that you have precisely zero idea of what you're talking about.
I'd like to see the fit of the alpha damage destroyer that gets off a dozen volleys before Concord roll up
CODE.'s destroyer fits are generally geared towards DPS, they mainly use blaster fit Catalysts because the ship bonuses and weapons choice offer the most bang for buck when compared to other destroyers due to the raw damage output and high rate of fire; this enables 10-12 shots to be fired before Concordokken occurs.
Destroyer fits geared towards alpha damage tend to be fitted with artillery and the like, each individual salvo punches out more damage than blasters, but the slower rate of fire means that they get off 3 or 4 shots before Concord turn up.
Know thy enemy before spouting shite about them.
Quote:Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. So does not being there when they appear.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
216
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Posted - 2017.05.20 09:29:46 -
[48] - Quote
You are wrong in part and not up to date Jonah, surprisingly Dom will update you on the forums ( just ask him), if you don't get out pvp'ing much.
Ask Dom about his experiments with tornados. Something other gankers have used in Jita for years for their Alpha-Strike.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.
(Bob's a cuck)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28250
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Posted - 2017.05.20 09:44:05 -
[49] - Quote
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:You are wrong in part and not up to date Jonah, surprisingly Dom will update you on the forums ( just ask him), if you don't get out pvp'ing much.
Ask Dom about his experiments with tornados. Something other gankers have used in Jita for years for their Alpha-Strike. I'm well aware of Tornadoes, we're talking about destroyers here, not ABC's.
Keep up.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
555
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Posted - 2017.05.20 10:23:49 -
[50] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:They don't always use Catalysts. Thrashers are common too. Hence "preferred" and not "mandatory". There's always flex in a fit to adapt to what you expect to encounter. However, as a miner, your expected encounter is a catalyst, because that ship can spew out the most raw damage.
Quote:You know, it really grinds my gears when minmaxers yowl at me and accuse me of badfits because "blah blah ship strength pigeonhole pigeonhole pigeonhole". Why deviate from what works? There's no getting round a buffer tank whereas ECM can fail. You can AFK when mining in a procurer with a strong tank, but you can't AFK while your survival depends on firing off ECM at the right moment.
Considering that a tank fit increases the number of people required to kill you by about the same amount it takes to overwhelm your ECM defence, there's no real benefit, but there are downsides.
Tank, for what you're attempting to address (survival in HiSec) is hands down superior.
Quote:One of the players I supplied the procurer fits to came back to personally thank me after he used it repeatedly in lowsec to the point of making at least one ganker raqequit. Were talking about survival in HiSec, not low. That said, you're right, having a way to disengage is a good survival trait when you don't have CONCORD around to do that for you. But with that said, Jonah is right, simply not being on grid when someone tries to jump you is the best way to survive in a non-combat ship. For that, fit is largely irrelevant..
Quote:'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; When it comes to miner ganking, the fit of choice is raw DPS. High alpha is a poor choice against a tank that can easily absorb that initial strike.
Quote:Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. Which is great in a scenario where you have to disengage in order to survive. In HiSec however, where CODE. operates, and where CONCORD forces a disengage for you, your sole concern when it comes to survival is living long enough for CONCORD to arrive and save you. This is where a bug fat buffer tank comes in. A ship that costs ~30mil but sports ~100k EHP is a ship that will cost suice gankers to kill than the miner would lose - even if they were successful.
Procurer: The risk-averse AFKer's wet dream.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
205
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Posted - 2017.05.20 10:51:09 -
[51] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; they know they will only get off maybe a dozen volleys at most before they are concorddokkened, so they sacrifice every other attribute to make those shots count. And with this short sentence you have proved that you have precisely zero idea of what you're talking about. I'd like to see the fit of the alpha damage destroyer that gets off a dozen volleys before Concord roll up CODE.'s destroyer fits are generally geared towards DPS, they mainly use blaster fit Catalysts because the ship bonuses and weapons choice offer the most bang for buck when compared to other destroyers due to the raw damage output and high rate of fire; this enables 10-12 shots to be fired before Concordokken occurs. Destroyer fits geared towards alpha damage tend to be fitted with artillery and the like, each individual salvo punches out more damage than blasters, but the slower rate of fire means that they get off 3 or 4 shots before Concord turn up. Know thy enemy before spouting shite about them. Quote:Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. So does not being there when they appear.
Mr Miyagi: Best way to avoid punch. No be there |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2247
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Posted - 2017.05.20 13:17:55 -
[52] - Quote
I thought the best way to mine was with a Titan?
*cloaks out*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2017.05.20 15:12:40 -
[53] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:I thought the best way to mine was with a Titan? *cloaks out*
Veldnaught best naught. |
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
217
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Posted - 2017.05.20 15:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Codie = peon.
Rational argument and logic is just wasted on a brainwashed peon.
No one should take them seriously.
Come shoot them with the AG's in Uedrama then laugh at them.
Codie tears best tears.
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.
(Bob's a cuck)
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
510
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Posted - 2017.05.20 16:49:49 -
[55] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:making yourself a harder target than the next guy by using them generally means they'll shoot the next guy instead.
Precisely. You don't have to be able to outrun the wolves, just be able to outrun the guy next to you.
While you may still be illegal In highsec without a permit, at least you're further along the path of de facto Code compliance.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2017.05.20 19:57:40 -
[56] - Quote
**** code
kiss kiss bang bang
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Lung Butter
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2017.05.20 20:02:31 -
[57] - Quote
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:love code
Seconded!
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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2017.05.21 00:33:35 -
[58] - Quote
You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention. |
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2017.05.21 03:18:56 -
[59] - Quote
Lung Butter wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:love code Seconded!
Maybe it was Join Code? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4104
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Posted - 2017.05.21 10:45:42 -
[60] - Quote
Clockwork Robot wrote:You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention. /me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2017.05.21 11:24:06 -
[61] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Clockwork Robot wrote:You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention. /me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat
Is that tinfoil?
Or... antimatter? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28263
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Posted - 2017.05.21 11:37:07 -
[62] - Quote
Clockwork Robot wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Clockwork Robot wrote:You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention. /me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat Is that tinfoil? Or... antimatter? More importantly is it an official Dinsdale branded tinfoil hat, that has been wrapped around a magnetic containment vessel containing antimatter?
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
121
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Posted - 2017.05.21 12:03:46 -
[63] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote: Why deviate from what works?
That is exactly the attitude that will eventually keep cargoes and ore safe in their respective holds, and make the Code of Halaima a lost cause.
Thanks so much for your help.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2250
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Posted - 2017.05.21 13:13:35 -
[64] - Quote
You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes?
*makes some popcorn*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
121
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Posted - 2017.05.21 13:22:22 -
[65] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes? *makes some popcorn*
Yes I do, and that's why I made different fits that are harder for them to pop.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2250
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Posted - 2017.05.21 13:30:07 -
[66] - Quote
You're not out here for the hunting, are you?
*edges away slowly*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
565
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Posted - 2017.05.21 20:55:46 -
[67] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes? *makes some popcorn* Yes I do, and that's why I made different fits that are harder for them to pop. But the fits you suggested aren't harder to pop, if anything, they're easier. That's literally the discussion we've just had.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28273
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Posted - 2017.05.21 20:57:51 -
[68] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes? *makes some popcorn* Yes I do, and that's why I made different fits that are harder for them to pop. But the fits you suggested aren't harder to pop, if anything, they're easier. That's literally the discussion we've just had. But mah ECM....
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Valona Siura
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:47:45 -
[69] - Quote
ISD Max Trix wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
True, and thats part of the EVE Experence. . [/quote]
This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.
An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour"
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
27
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:51:49 -
[70] - Quote
Clockwork Robot wrote:You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.
Foil |
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
121
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Posted - 2017.05.22 01:29:42 -
[71] - Quote
Valona Siura wrote:This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.
An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour"
calm down ganker
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1390
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Posted - 2017.05.22 01:35:34 -
[72] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Valona Siura wrote:This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.
An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour"
calm down ganker lol he's a hater of good content like you
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome
CCL Loyalist
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:05:33 -
[73] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
This game was always designed to be a game about spaceships with guns on them, and its important that the game occasionally punish people that play oblivious to that, so that some advantages accrue to those that are not oblivious. I expect that CCP would be perfectly ok if economic rationale wasn't required for ganking, but they are trying to present an rationalization for people who can't see they are playing as a victim.
Also I struggle to see how the individual player ignoring everyone around them farming the newbie resources to death isn't actually the psychopathic one, and how the large group of people playing together is.
Quote:Quote: your "guide" basically boils down to "don't be AFK" and "tank your ship", two of the core commandments of the Code No, it doesn't. AFK is discouraged, but nowhere does the guide say "don't be AFK ever". Also, as James 315 himself has pointed out, pure tank won't save you. Even if this guide did exhibit some aspects of the Code (it doesn't, lrn2reading comprehension), it still opposes the New Order and discourages people from giving any money to them.
Part of CODEs rhetoric is that experienced miners should really mine in null, ie its a bit more than merely fit your ship and pay attention, its really about becoming good enough to be able to make the step to play the game in null.
The fundamental purpose of the procurer is to survive until the response fleet arrives. In highsec thats concord (boring), but in nullsec, its friendlies ie : https://zkillboard.com/kill/62218865/
If there is several miners in the system, as long as you personally are quick to get out of the anom, then you can be reshipped and ready to be the response fleet yourself too, ie being a miner doesn't condemn you to being the bait proc.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28278
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:17:57 -
[74] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Valona Siura wrote:This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.
An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour"
calm down ganker Still waiting to see the alpha strike fit destroyer than can get 10 volleys off before Concord happens..
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1263
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Posted - 2017.05.22 12:37:39 -
[75] - Quote
Valona Siura wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
True, and thats part of the EVE Experence. .
This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.
An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour" [/quote]
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2017.05.23 00:29:37 -
[76] - Quote
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:**** code FUC_ code
kiss kiss bang bang
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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2017.05.23 15:15:56 -
[77] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:Valona Siura wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Even by EVE standards, It's a crappy game mechanic, it's cruel and encourages psychopathic behaviour.
True, and thats part of the EVE Experence. . This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online. An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour" Post with your main or GTFO.
Just for the sake of clarification, what will you do if he doesn't?
I ask because it's good for lowly, regular internet-users like myself to keep abreast of the phenomenal cosmic power employed by digi-gods like yourself, which naturally lead to catastrophic, life-ruining consequences for not posting with ones main.
So please elucidate for us. If he, or indeed anyone, chooses to not post on their main, what powers will you employ as punishment?
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
121
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:16:58 -
[78] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Post with your main or GTFO.
I AM the main. My alt is the one who pilots the ECM barges.
If you really think an ECM Procurer is that bad, go find Jean-Marc Lepelletier in Balle or Jasson. Suicide gank him and see how well you go.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1271
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:50:21 -
[79] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Post with your main or GTFO.
I AM the main. My alt is the one who pilots the ECM barges. If you really think an ECM Procurer is that bad, go find Jean-Marc Lepelletier in Balle or Jasson. Suicide gank him and see how well you go.
I replied to Valone who is a starter corp alt (of a character who claims to have played for 11 years) probably created to provide anonymity.
And to the clockwork gentleman: for those visitors who clearly post on alts, I ignore them as do many of us. We cannot punish them any other way, so we simply deprive them of content.
It is a standard on this board to post with a main. Meet it or don't. I like to tell Alts I haven't seen before so they know.
Also, it's something of a slogan here. Mo |
Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1271
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:56:11 -
[80] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Post with your main or GTFO.
I AM the main. My alt is the one who pilots the ECM barges. If you really think an ECM Procurer is that bad, go find Jean-Marc Lepelletier in Balle or Jasson. Suicide gank him and see how well you go.
I shall be happy to do so if convenience allows. Knowing your protection plan is ECM, I feel confident I can come properly prepared. |
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:23:51 -
[81] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:[quote=Mobadder Thworst]If you really think an ECM Procurer is that bad, go find Jean-Marc Lepelletier in Balle or Jasson. Suicide gank him and see how well you go. It's pretty predictable, really. If they're equipped to take down a procurer, they're equipped to take down an ECM fit procurer.
I've run the maths on this and it's actually much worse than I had thought.
For a catalyst-toting ganker, a best-case scenario would be roughly 700 dps within a 24 second window, granting about 16,800 damage.
Alessienne's T2 ECM fit, with perfect skills, boasts <40kEHP versus the kin/therm damage profile of a standard gankalyst. That fit, versus a catalyst with zero boosts from skills or modules, has a 30% chance to land a successful jam per module, which means an average of 1.2 jams per gank. The odds of all four ECM modules jamming out a ganker at the same time is less than 1%.
So, worst case scenario: an ECM fit will die to as few as 3 (highly skilled) catalysts. Best, 7 gankers would be needed.
What about a standard shield fit? A totally AFK shield-fit procurer sports over 90kEHP against the kin/therm damage profile while completely AFK. That fit guarantees the need for at least 6 gankers. If you're ATK and get in an overheat as the gank fleet warps in, that tank rockets to 121kEHP, requiring 8 gankers.
So, there ya have it. Worst case scenario: An AFK shield procurer requires 6 gankers versus an AFK/unlucky ECM procurer that requires only 3. Best case scenario: ATK shield procurer requires 8 gankers, guaranteed to survive if they bring 7, versus ECM/lucky procurer against 7 gankers with only a 1% chance of survival if they bring 6.
In higher security space, including CONCORD standard spawn (-6 second response delay), the scenarios only favour the procurer even more.
Like I said, the only time you can excuse the ECM fit is while mining outside hisec and to be fair, there are better ways to deal with hostiles in those environments.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
519
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:53:20 -
[82] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:The Procurer fits are bad. Fit to a ship's strength; ECM is not a Procurer's strength, godlike shield tank is. Also, when it comes to ECM, always favour racial modules as they are much more effective. Seeing as Gallente catalysts are common miner ganking ships, magnetometric jammers should be preferred. They don't always use Catalysts. Thrashers are common too. You know, it really grinds my gears when minmaxers yowl at me and accuse me of badfits because "blah blah ship strength pigeonhole pigeonhole pigeonhole". One of the players I supplied the procurer fits to came back to personally thank me after he used it repeatedly in lowsec to the point of making at least one ganker raqequit. Look at the jamming strength: all ewar focused on a single target gives you a minimum of 8.8 points of ECM. Add the amplifier and some skill enhancements and you can get up to 12 points or more which can be spread across multiple targets if needed. That is not a bad fit, that is you being ridiculously inflexible and refusing to get creative. Indeed, I have lost many ships, many of them badly fit, but I learned from those fits. I learned that racial bonuses are not the be all and end all of ship fitting. I learned that many EVE players are either clueless about module stats or completely rigid in their thought and design. I learned that such cluelessness/rigidity is exploitable. And thus, the ewar Procurer was born. 'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; they know they will only get off maybe a dozen volleys at most before they are concorddokkened, so they sacrifice every other attribute to make those shots count. Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. First of all, you don't get a minimum of 8.8 points of ECM. That's not how ECM works. Each jam is a random and independent roll. Second of all, ECM is a terrible idea, especially multispectrals. Max skills, overheated with a Hypnos signal amp (which is the same as T2 but less expensive), you have 3.913 signal strength vs a Catalyst's 11 AT BASE. And gankers may equip their Catalysts with sensor boosters with ECCM scripts to ward off FacPo jams, making them even harder to jam. The highest jam probability is about 35%, and that's a random roll whereas shield tank never randomly fails. Catalysts are almost always the ship of choice and alpha damage is a terrible way to kill a miner; that's best done in high truesec systems where CONCORD will arrive fast.
In short, you don't understand your enemy or your defenses. May Bob have mercy on anyone who chooses to follow your advice.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2017.05.23 23:11:01 -
[83] - Quote
Dark Lord Trump wrote:First of all, you don't get a minimum of 8.8 points of ECM. That's not how ECM works. Each jam is a random and independent roll. Heh, I missed that little detail.
That would explain why he thinks multispectral ECM will do squat on an unbonused ship.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1275
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Posted - 2017.05.23 23:41:00 -
[84] - Quote
Was he adding his ECM point? To be honest, I didn't read it.
Here is how ECM works.
If your single jammer has a strength of 4 points and your target has a sensor strength of 12 points, you have a 4/12 chance of success on a given cycle (33%).
To determine the residual chance of multiple hammers, it is simplest to multiply the chances of failure together.
So if I have 4 jammers, each with a 33% chance of success... then their chances of failure individually are 66% or .66.
.66x.66x.66x.66 =.19 or a residual chance of failure of 19%
Which means all 4 jammers used together give me an 81% chance of success in a given cycle.
I haven't run the numbers for the scenario above... but unbonuseded ECM ships give up a lot of slots for a little chance of a jam. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8486
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Posted - 2017.05.23 23:56:19 -
[85] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:Was he adding his ECM point? To be honest, I didn't read it.
Here is how ECM works.
If your single jammer has a strength of 4 points and your target has a sensor strength of 12 points, you have a 4/12 chance of success on a given cycle (33%).
To determine the residual chance of multiple hammers, it is simplest to multiply the chances of failure together.
So if I have 4 jammers, each with a 33% chance of success... then their chances of failure individually are 66% or .66.
.66x.66x.66x.66 =.19 or a residual chance of failure of 19%
Which means all 4 jammers used together give me an 81% chance of success in a given cycle.
I haven't run the numbers for the scenario above... but unbonuseded ECM ships give up a lot of slots for a little chance of a jam.
Muh ECM drones?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1275
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Posted - 2017.05.24 00:16:30 -
[86] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:Was he adding his ECM point? To be honest, I didn't read it.
Here is how ECM works.
If your single jammer has a strength of 4 points and your target has a sensor strength of 12 points, you have a 4/12 chance of success on a given cycle (33%).
To determine the residual chance of multiple hammers, it is simplest to multiply the chances of failure together.
So if I have 4 jammers, each with a 33% chance of success... then their chances of failure individually are 66% or .66.
.66x.66x.66x.66 =.19 or a residual chance of failure of 19%
Which means all 4 jammers used together give me an 81% chance of success in a given cycle.
I haven't run the numbers for the scenario above... but unbonuseded ECM ships give up a lot of slots for a little chance of a jam. Muh ECM drones? Same calculation, just with tiny Drone probabilities.
Once I did the math on those I stopped carrying them except on those drone boats where you can't figure another useful drone wave to fill the bay. |
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2017.05.24 05:25:21 -
[87] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote: Same calculation, just with tiny Drone probabilities.
Once I did the math on those I stopped carrying them except on those drone boats where you can't figure another useful drone wave to fill the bay.
I looked at those numbers and weirdly enough, a gank attempt is probably one of the few situations where a flight of ECM drones would be better than hobs. You'd have up to 50% chance of removing one catalyst from the gank with ECM drones but a flight of hobs, even bonused ones wouldn't down a catalyst before it was too late, anyway.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Pix Severus
Empty You
6495
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Posted - 2017.05.24 05:56:26 -
[88] - Quote
This is my guide to defeating CODE.
1) Quit the game due to boredom
Congratulations, you have now successfully defeated CODE. and won EVE at the same time. As a bonus, you have made EVE a nicer place to be for the rest of us.
MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - May 23 2017 - MTU Mailbag
MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3175
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Posted - 2017.05.24 10:44:51 -
[89] - Quote
How many ages hence shall this, our lofty scene be acted over, in states unborn and accents yet unknown?
This is how I feel after reading through most CODE/ganking/anti-ganking threads. It's almost risen to the level of AFK Cloaking in terms of repetition and predictability.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
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Mobadder Thworst
Perkone Caldari State
1278
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Posted - 2017.05.24 16:51:55 -
[90] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote: Same calculation, just with tiny Drone probabilities.
Once I did the math on those I stopped carrying them except on those drone boats where you can't figure another useful drone wave to fill the bay.
I looked at those numbers and weirdly enough, a gank attempt is probably one of the few situations where a flight of ECM drones would be better than hobs. You'd have up to 50% chance of removing one catalyst from the gank with ECM drones but a flight of hobs, even bonused ones wouldn't down a catalyst before it was too late, anyway.
A reasonable consideration, gank avoidance isn't a design criteria I've traditionally used. I see your point though.
My consideration has traditionally been along the lines of "am I willing to give up 100dps for a 60-70% chance of jamming a frigate (and that chance drops dramatically as ship size increases).
I'm also biased against ECM because it stops engagement timers, and for much of what I do I need that timer to close the kill (because I fly tanks ships with no DPS).
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28304
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Posted - 2017.05.24 17:40:50 -
[91] - Quote
Apparently Feacesbook has become the in place to whine about CODE. and wardecs, CODE. whines are currently banned because they happen hourly in one unofficial group and there's quite the thread going on in the same group that mostly consists of "wardecs are flawed, CCP should fix it" and the appropriate responses..
I'll leave it to your imagination what that thread looks like
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
700
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Posted - 2017.05.24 18:23:02 -
[92] - Quote
Didn't read this ****.
Best way to beat us? Realize you can't, and then join us.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
652
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Posted - 2017.05.24 18:46:31 -
[93] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:As CEO of one of the smallest but most dedicated Anti-Ganking corps in EVE, I have made it my mission, my raison d'etre, to giving industrialists a fighting chance to survive and prosper in this fractious universe. After months of carefully studying both human and signal intelligence, engaging in research and development, and numerous instances of trial and error, I have prepared this handy guide to keeping your industrial operations safe from New Eden's greatest nuisances.
The real question, as always, is... why would you want to defeat CODE.?
While it was never true that we just shoot ships that can't shoot back, it IS true that we kill the unprepared, the unthinking, and the unrepentant who disarm themselves from the ability to effectively fight back. If you scan our killboard you will see bad fits, bad actions and just bad attitudes about the nature of the game we are playing. Each death is a player who DESERVED to be killed because of what they themselves decided was an appropriate way to approach an open universe of player versus player.
Should the max fit Retriever be allowed to harvest the riches of James 315 space? Should a max cargo freighter with billions in valuables be able to autopilot between Jita and Amarr? Should a player who, by his own actions, denies the existence of other players in Eve be allowed to create a fantasy world of safety, non-interaction and, of course, the steady flow of riches? According to the Code, no. They should not.
I read this whole thread. I don't see anyone who disagrees with me on this. Even the OP admits that the miner/industrial/targets have to change their behavior to survive. So, what about those who insist they do not?
We kill them. And we will continue to kill them. Besides the fact that defeating us is impossible what benefit would it bring? More AFK, max fit miners raping the asteroid belts?
Yeah, Eve needs more of that.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2260
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Posted - 2017.05.24 21:37:08 -
[94] - Quote
Bing Bangboom wrote:[wisdom.
TLDR Don't be an idiot. Oh, and buy a permit.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
419
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Posted - 2017.05.26 16:09:10 -
[95] - Quote
Just once, I'd like to see a member of the AG community thank CODE for their existence. Without an evil antagonist to (and I use this term loosely) organize against, there would be no content for then to play, post, or pontificate about/against.
If you really read into the Code and their back story, the goal was always creating content in Hisec. So as yet again Code always wins. |
Jacques d'Orleans
3169
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Posted - 2017.05.26 19:01:42 -
[96] - Quote
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:**** code FUC_ code
Hazel PeckerTS, because of your constant disrespect of the most honorable agents of CODE. and your heresy against James315 (blessed be his name), you have been handed down this verdict.
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
914
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Posted - 2017.05.29 03:56:39 -
[97] - Quote
..Enter the 1000th "I'm gonna defeat CODE" forum rant... Sorry buddy, not gonna happen. Accept the game for what it is or seek out a game that's more like what you want it to be.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
124
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Posted - 2017.05.29 05:19:52 -
[98] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:[quote=Mobadder Thworst]If you really think an ECM Procurer is that bad, go find Jean-Marc Lepelletier in Balle or Jasson. Suicide gank him and see how well you go. It's pretty predictable, really. If they're equipped to take down a procurer, they're equipped to take down an ECM fit procurer. I've run the maths on this and it's actually much worse than I had thought. For a catalyst-toting ganker, a best-case scenario would be roughly 700 dps within a 24 second window, granting about 16,800 damage. Alessienne's T2 ECM fit, with perfect skills, boasts <40kEHP versus the kin/therm damage profile of a standard gankalyst. That fit, versus a catalyst with zero boosts from skills or modules, has a 30% chance to land a successful jam per module, which means an average of 1.2 jams per gank. The odds of all four ECM modules each jamming out a ganker at the same time is less than 1%. So, worst case scenario: an ECM fit will die to as few as 3 (highly skilled) catalysts. Best, 7 gankers would be needed. What about a standard shield fit? A totally AFK shield-fit procurer sports over 100kEHP against the kin/therm damage profile while completely AFK. That fit guarantees the need for at least 6, preferably 7 gankers. If you're ATK and get in an overheat as the gank fleet warps in, that tank rockets to 121kEHP, requiring 8 gankers. So, there ya have it. Worst case scenario: An AFK shield procurer requires 6, preferably 7 gankers versus an AFK/unlucky ECM procurer that requires only 3. Best case scenario: ATK shield procurer requires 8 gankers, guaranteed to survive if they bring 7, versus ECM/lucky procurer against 7 gankers with only a 1% chance of survival if they bring 6. That's right, an AFK procurer in a worst case scenario is stronger than a lucky ATK ECM procurer. Who knew? Oh wait, I did - as did just about any other competent pilot. In higher security space, including CONCORD standard spawn (-6 second response delay), the scenarios only favour the procurer even more. Like I said, the only time you can excuse the ECM fit is while mining outside hisec and to be fair, there are better ways to deal with hostiles in those environments. Oh, and the shield procurer is much easier to fit, requiring no coprocessors and gets to benefit from a slightly higher mining yield, too.
You're operating under the assumption that CODE agents gank in fleets. Unless there's a really big target like a freighter involved, they usually don't. The vast majority of my ganking experiences have involved no more than one or two ships, regardless of system security. On the rare occasion where a ganker is cunning enough to bring friends or set up a group gate camp, yes, it does become too much for the ECM proc to handle. But in most cases, the ECM proc can blast interference at two ships at once, giving a greater change of a hit. In the event that the cycles fail, the shield tank is there to buy some time until the cycles succeed.
Besides, gankers can really tear up when you defeat them in what looks like a badly fit ship, especially if they're the minmaxer type. Hell, this thread is getting pretty salty by itself with people resorting to mental gymnastics (and ignoring reality) to justify telling me my fits are bad even though they have been used successfully on many occasions. You're idiots.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
124
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Posted - 2017.05.29 05:33:09 -
[99] - Quote
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Didn't read this ****.
Best way to beat us? Realize you can't, and then join us.
calm down ganker
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
270
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Posted - 2017.05.29 06:43:35 -
[100] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:calm down ganker Pure gold. A sentence of beauty. How many times I've had to put that in Local after successfully stopping a nearby gank with my ECM Skiff.
Elite PvP
Be the change you want to see in Highsec.
Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
914
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Posted - 2017.05.29 08:09:14 -
[101] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Didn't read this ****.
Best way to beat us? Realize you can't, and then join us. calm down ganker
Would you prefer war decs instead? I suspect you, like most others, would just dec dodge and leave corp. To me, it seems like salt because there's no game mechanic that allows you to avoid gankers. Shooting a target that's gone criminal and concord km whoring is not something to brag about. It may make you feel like you have accomplished something, but you haven't.
I am not a ganker nor have I ever been.. but CODE does offer something to you you should be more appreciative for..content and purpose. What purpose would you have if there were no "bad guy" to make you feel like a hero? Sure, what you do is a fool's errand, but it does give you "purpose", does it not?
Remember..those either unwilling or unable to protect what they have do not deserve to have it. Kicking an already dying bear does not make you a hunter.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
571
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Posted - 2017.05.29 10:16:12 -
[102] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:You're operating under the assumption that CODE agents gank in fleets. Unless there's a really big target like a freighter involved, they usually don't. The vast majority of my ganking experiences have involved no more than one or two ships, regardless of system security. On the rare occasion where a ganker is cunning enough to bring friends or set up a group gate camp, yes, it does become too much for the ECM proc to handle. Exactly. Gankers seldom go for Procurers precisely because they require large numbers of people to kill. If you need to fend off a large fleet, a shield fit does a better job than the ECM fit, hence my post.
Quote:But in most cases, the ECM proc can blast interference at two ships at once, One. In most cases it'll drop one. 1.2, to be precise (based on 30% jam possibility).
Quote:giving a greater change of a hit. In the event that the cycles fail, the shield tank is there to buy some time until the cycles succeed. Ganks take at most, 24 seconds. ECM cycles are 20 seconds. You won't get another cycle.
"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3193
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Posted - 2017.05.29 11:24:09 -
[103] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:But in most cases, the ECM proc can blast interference at two ships at once, One. In most cases it'll drop one. 1.2, to be precise (based on 30% jam possibility). Quote:giving a greater change of a hit. In the event that the cycles fail, the shield tank is there to buy some time until the cycles succeed. Ganks take at most, 24 seconds. ECM cycles are 20 seconds. You won't get another cycle. Hiasa is spot on here.
Math. It's what drives EvE mechanics. Ignore it at your own peril.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
423
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Posted - 2017.05.29 11:44:00 -
[104] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:You're operating under the assumption that CODE agents gank in fleets. Unless there's a really big target like a freighter involved, they usually don't. The vast majority of my ganking experiences have involved no more than one or two ships, regardless of system security. On the rare occasion where a ganker is cunning enough to bring friends or set up a group gate camp, yes, it does become too much for the ECM proc to handle. Exactly. Gankers seldom go for Procurers precisely because they require large numbers of people to kill. If you need to fend off a large fleet, a shield fit does a better job than the ECM fit, hence my post. Quote:But in most cases, the ECM proc can blast interference at two ships at once, One. In most cases it'll drop one. 1.2, to be precise (based on 30% jam possibility). Quote:giving a greater change of a hit. In the event that the cycles fail, the shield tank is there to buy some time until the cycles succeed. Ganks take at most, 24 seconds. ECM cycles are 20 seconds. You won't get another cycle.
Be gone foul troll! You with you facts and maths and knowledge of actual game play. /s
I say let the AG community follow what ever silly doctrines they want. Those who can adapt will and those who can't won't. It isn't as if the Code doesn't actively try to educate the public on how to not be an easy target. One AG snowflake pontificating isn't any different than the wild eyed profit screaming from the median during high traffic. He is as likely to cause accidents to the unwary as to be hit by a bus. A sad bit of tragic reality who's lesson is quickly forgotten. |
Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
127
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Posted - 2017.05.29 13:34:28 -
[105] - Quote
Azov Rassau wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:calm down ganker Pure gold. A sentence of beauty. How many times I've had to put that in Local after successfully stopping a nearby gank with my ECM Skiff. Elite PvP
Perfect in every way.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Jdom TheHunter
Shattered Dreams Industries
13
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Posted - 2017.05.29 20:58:24 -
[106] - Quote
Here's a more simple and effective way to deal with gankers of all sorts. Pay attention and mine in a ship that fits the area. Don't use paper tanks when ganking is the norm. Don't walk away from pc while mining is a good tip. Dock up first as at any time someone can jump in system and easy prey is another win for gankers. Don't cry after getting zapped. It makes them stay around longer and collect more tears. Use ewar to help defend ones self. It works so skill it up. Lastly remember it's a pvp based game so you will get popped at some point. Don't be a crybaby about it, just learn and adapt.
There's more tactics that go into it but those are the basics that will save you from loosing ships and isk.
One last thing, get with a group or have channels that monitors ganking activity and watch them. Intel is always a great heads up on what's going on around you. The more you're engaged in the game the better off you are no matter what you're doing.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Circle-Of-Two
4332
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Posted - 2017.05.30 04:47:12 -
[107] - Quote
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop
ISD Max Trix favourite ISD
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
920
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:21:31 -
[108] - Quote
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time
It's not. Don't forget Noragen (I'm sure you're well aware) that a fully skilled cat can do near 700dps. The jam makes no sense in this case.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
127
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:27:18 -
[109] - Quote
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time
Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks.
AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
920
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:40:13 -
[110] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks. AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.
Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk.
If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1444
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Posted - 2017.05.30 09:24:27 -
[111] - Quote
PSA Ecm tank is useless if you mine afk... Lol
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3364
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Posted - 2017.05.30 09:52:53 -
[112] - Quote
When I mined I found that D-Scan plus paying attention to local was the best tank. Also, actually mining aligned really does work. Didn't they add those spiffy Higgs rigs or whatever to slow down the ship? With those you can slowboat across the belt and just keep nomming on the next rock to come into range. Something spooky approaching? Cool, already aligned to safe... so poof I'mma gone before whatever lands. But, you know, effort. Much better to cry, saber rattle and come up with goofy fits that wont save you anyways.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3196
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Posted - 2017.05.30 12:57:32 -
[113] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:When I mined I found that D-Scan plus paying attention to local was the best tank. Also, actually mining aligned really does work. Didn't they add those spiffy Higgs rigs or whatever to slow down the ship? With those you can slowboat across the belt and just keep nomming on the next rock to come into range. Something spooky approaching? Cool, already aligned to safe... so poof I'mma gone before whatever lands. But, you know, effort. Much better to cry, saber rattle and come up with goofy fits that wont save you anyways. The best tanks are ALWAYS active tanks.
As in, player active and at the keyboard.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3367
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Posted - 2017.05.30 14:10:48 -
[114] - Quote
You are, of course correct Bronson. I have no horse in the whole CODE. debate. I like some of em, I am annoyed by some of them... they're people, so that's gonna happen. I just find the incessant whining of those who can't be arsed to put forth the minimal effort necessary to defend themselves to be tiresome, to be quite frank. I mined for YEARS, and before crimewatch at that. Never ganked. Never ganked since I stopped mining either. CCP doesn't owe anyone safety. We have to take it upon ourselves to be responsible for our own safety, especially in high sec. If you die in high sec, it's your fault... no, seriously. You weren't paying attention. You didn't scout ahead, you flew afk, you were autopiloting, you froze when faced with an enemy bent on your destruction, you weren't paying attention so they got the drop on you, you ignored the warnings of others, you never thought you would need directional scan, surely they wont pod me after blowing up my ship, setting bad guys to red is for pvp'ers... and so on and so forth.
Own your crap. Your good stuff is yours, but your screwups are yours as well. Accept them, learn from them, discard this idiotic victim mentality that so many embrace. YOU let this thing happen to you. It is up to YOU to keep it from happening to YOU again.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
127
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Posted - 2017.05.31 06:09:54 -
[115] - Quote
Kaely Tanniss wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks. AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand. Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk. If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Did you even read the OP?
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
922
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Posted - 2017.05.31 06:19:57 -
[116] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Kaely Tanniss wrote:Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.
@OP If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks. AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand. Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk. If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend? Did you even read the OP?
Have you read the comments?
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Jdom TheHunter
Shattered Dreams Industries
14
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Posted - 2017.05.31 06:32:30 -
[117] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:You are, of course correct Bronson. I have no horse in the whole CODE. debate. I like some of em, I am annoyed by some of them... they're people, so that's gonna happen. I just find the incessant whining of those who can't be arsed to put forth the minimal effort necessary to defend themselves to be tiresome, to be quite frank. I mined for YEARS, and before crimewatch at that. Never ganked. Never ganked since I stopped mining either. CCP doesn't owe anyone safety. We have to take it upon ourselves to be responsible for our own safety, especially in high sec. If you die in high sec, it's your fault... no, seriously. You weren't paying attention. You didn't scout ahead, you flew afk, you were autopiloting, you froze when faced with an enemy bent on your destruction, you weren't paying attention so they got the drop on you, you ignored the warnings of others, you never thought you would need directional scan, surely they wont pod me after blowing up my ship, setting bad guys to red is for pvp'ers... and so on and so forth.
Own your crap. Your good stuff is yours, but your screwups are yours as well. Accept them, learn from them, discard this idiotic victim mentality that so many embrace. YOU let this thing happen to you. It is up to YOU to keep it from happening to YOU again.
Too many time I've called out safe up in multiple chats and there's always someone not paying attention and then gets popped. After that then that person proceeds to start chat fights over it like they had no defense against said attacks. It gets old trying to educate people on safe behavior in highsec. I firmly believe most if not all should spend some serious time in null. I learned to keep eyes and ears at attention even when docked. It's not hard but there's those that refuse to adapt and those will fail.
Sad thing is that I've only played a year all together on eve and yet I figured this out pretty quickly. Many have played years and still get gankers due to continuous careless behavior. |
Casi Onzo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.05.31 15:36:57 -
[118] - Quote
I will state also that if you do the math you can easily choose to accept the loss of a ship and make more than enough within an hour to replace the mining barge and not care if you get ganked. If they want to persist and harass you change system. If they follow simply log off or sit in station for an hour or so then resume once you bore them with the lack of content while you go and do something else that is entertaining to you. For those who would rather keep playing then one way to avoid gankers that are active in the area you live in is to have a jump clone that is 20+ jumps away from that area and at least 10 from a market most won't try to go after you at that point, bonus points if you move onto an island. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4117
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:01:48 -
[119] - Quote
Casi Onzo wrote:I will state also that if you do the math you can easily choose to accept the loss of a ship and make more than enough within an hour to replace the mining barge and not care if you get ganked. If they want to persist and harass you change system. If they follow simply log off or sit in station for an hour or so then resume once you bore them with the lack of content while you go and do something else that is entertaining to you. For those who would rather keep playing then one way to avoid gankers that are active in the area you live in is to have a jump clone that is 20+ jumps away from that area and at least 10 from a market most won't try to go after you at that point, bonus points if you move onto an island. If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Casi Onzo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:06:15 -
[120] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.
That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?
Get over it and move on.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1467
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:11:40 -
[121] - Quote
Casi Onzo wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.
That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute? A "scam" usually works against you... a permit doesn't
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
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CCL Loyalist
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Casi Onzo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:19:00 -
[122] - Quote
Eh it's a waste of money so that is against you like a scam is it not
Get over it and move on.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4118
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:31:36 -
[123] - Quote
Casi Onzo wrote:Eh it's a waste of money so that is against you like a scam is it not See, this is exactly why miners should just stop thinking for themselves and listen to the advice of your friendly local New Order Agent. It's like every time they try to evaluate their situation and react to it they make it worse.
miner, know your limits!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Kaely Tanniss
Commonwealth Mercenaries Vendetta Mercenary Group
923
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:57:19 -
[124] - Quote
Casi Onzo wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.
That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?
Post with your main or gtfo.
Why a forum alt? Afraid of repercussions for your comments?
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Saeger1737
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2094
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Posted - 2017.05.31 21:17:58 -
[125] - Quote
Face it defeating code is like curing cancer you spend a crap ton of money on it and get little to zero results....
I mean spend your billions... I take donations ill give yea a cute little ribbon made of catalyst parts for every billion donated for the cure!!!
MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
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Casi Onzo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.06.01 00:26:16 -
[126] - Quote
Kaely Tanniss wrote:Casi Onzo wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.
That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute? Post with your main or gtfo. Why a forum alt? Afraid of repercussions for your comments?
Nah just too lazy to change it but certain people already know who I am so I don't care. But, unlike the trolls who just want to say code wins I am simply stating you don't have to play their game and do just fine.
Get over it and move on.
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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
3863
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Posted - 2017.06.03 13:23:51 -
[127] - Quote
No one cares about code except code shiptoasters.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
128
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Posted - 2017.06.04 03:15:06 -
[128] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:No one cares about code except code shiptoasters.
Plenty of people care, just not you and your dumb little buddies on failheap.
"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica
If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Circle-Of-Two
4367
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Posted - 2017.06.04 05:55:29 -
[129] - Quote
I have never bought a permit nor will I ever. Not for any moral highground reason I just feel more people trying to kill me when I play is a good thing
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop
ISD Max Trix favourite ISD
'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1506
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Posted - 2017.06.04 14:08:24 -
[130] - Quote
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Lady Spank wrote:No one cares about code except code shiptoasters. Plenty of people care, just not you and your dumb little buddies on failheap. See, that's not how you make more people like or join ag... that's exactly how people join CODE.
Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.
Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER
Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome
CCL Loyalist
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