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Aradina Varren
Alexylva Paradox
131
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:09:10 -
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The definition of "Opponent to the Sabik faith" is clearly "someone who stays in highsec and doesn't have an extensive combat record and also disagrees with me".
I hope that clears things up.
Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3805
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:11:23 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:I'll back my words when you're actively trying to destroy the Faith with your actions in space, which you are not. You are not a threat, especially so sitting back in Pure Blind, far away from me and mine.
Except, you know, you didn't say threats would be hunted. You said opponent would be. So, yeah, kinda coming across as an idle and empty threat here. What, gonna go hunt Leshrac? Napkins? Ooooooh so tough, being willing to do what literally dozens of other folks are already doing against less than a dozen pilots.
And let's put this idiotic idea of 'trying to destroy the faith in space' to bed. The 'faith' as you put it, is an ideology. You cannot destroy an ideology with weapons. Can't be done. Kill its followers, you just make martyrs. Time and time again, humanity's proven this.
The Sabik faith is clearly empty and worthless, because every last one of its followers and adherents are sniveling little cowards who like to talk big, but won't even dip their toes into a pool that might have real predators.
Are you hunting, or are you hiding? Because you claimed to be a hunter, but you sure don't act like one. |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
300
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:18:42 -
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Aradina Varren wrote:The definition of "Opponent to the Sabik faith" is clearly "someone who stays in highsec and doesn't have an extensive combat record and also disagrees with me".
I hope that clears things up.
As Admiral Lok'ri made clear in another thread "It is PIE's duty to "bully" Sani Sabik. If you would like to publicly renounce your false faith, we might consider mercy."
We can be found in low sec in the warzone!
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
328
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:22:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:You cannot destroy an ideology with weapons. Can't be done. As our Senior Captain Laerise Fierarch used to tell me, if you believe you can't change things with lasers, you aren't using enough lasers. Or something to that effect.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3809
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:23:44 -
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Oh, you can change things... but they probably won't be the changes you wanted. |
Aradina Varren
Alexylva Paradox
134
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:29:22 -
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An amendment: It also includes a select group of people who don't frequent highsec and do have the ability to fight back. These groups can be brought up whenever someone accuses them of only going for soft targets, but aren't a risk because, frankly, they can't be arsed and have far more important things to do than chase wartargets around kspace, including but not limited to "literally anything else but that". If people bring this up, you simply deflect with silly excuses such as "we don't have to hunt the people we said we'd be hunting".
Is that more accurate?
Feels Pretty Soft to Me.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Schmidt's Sewing Suits and Spaceships
454
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:32:28 -
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Aradina Varren wrote:An amendment: It also includes a select group of people who don't frequent highsec and do have the ability to fight back. These groups can be brought up whenever someone accuses them of only going for soft targets, but aren't a risk because, frankly, they can't be arsed and have far more important things to do than chase wartargets around kspace, including but not limited to "literally anything else but that". If people bring this up, you simply deflect with silly excuses such as "we don't have to hunt the people we said we'd be hunting".
Is that more accurate?
Yep! Close to the point. It's important to declare war on all those who are in opposition to the Sabik faith, except for anyone who may have any sort of power base, including ARC, or PNS, because those smaller groups? They're more dangerous, really. There's never been a time where a six-man gang, half of which are nearly day-old pilots out of the blue, which is mysterious and odd, can easily drop, blap a ship, and warp again. Haha, oh wait, that's super easy to do. They're just lazy.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1894
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:34:29 -
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Ascy, I'm about one step away from packing as many of the biggest guns New Eden knows of onto a single ship, so I can appreciate the appreciation of firepower and liberal application of violence where applicable. This however doesn't change a rather important fact for us capsuleers: We can't kill an idea, largely because we can't kill the people holding them.
I could easily set my deathclone somewhere within your reach, undock, die, undock, die from now until the station fell apart and you would not be able to break the continuity of my mind nor my ideas. Given sufficient time and maybe someone to pay for the ammunition, you could potentially - eventually - destroy most of my assets if I for some unfathomable reason decided to bring them into harms way and even if that impossible eventuality occurred I would still be perfectly able to work my way back up to fully operational within a fraction of the time it took me to get here now.
Capsuleers are physically unbreakable in this regard. Wardecs? Perpetual campaigns against us? Doesn't work. Worst case scenario and most of Eve turns against us, we can just pack up and go somewhere else, starting anew.
Your lasers are quite literally incapable of even targeting the ideologies, philosophies or ideas I carry and have no effect on them. No matter how many of them you managed to scrounge up.
Now, I've used the saying "If you can't solve your problems with violence, you didn't apply enough violence" before, but it's to a degree rather tongue in cheek. It works when your problem isn't practically immortal and easily capable of rebuilding anything you destroy. |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
903
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Posted - 2017.05.21 23:59:12 -
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I'm fairly sure he was joking Mizhara.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1896
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:07:55 -
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Quite possible, but like I said in another thread, these days most satire, parody or even just jokes get taken seriously by a lot of people so it's not unreasonable to lay things out in full for those people. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3815
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:12:48 -
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I thought jokes were a sin... |
Kalaratiri
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
903
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:16:44 -
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Are you joking?
Rodj is hilarious
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon
I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3815
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:17:47 -
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Maybe it was 'sin is a joke' then... |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
331
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:30:02 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Ascy, I'm about one step away from packing as many of the biggest guns New Eden knows of as possible onto a single ship, so I can appreciate the appreciation of firepower and liberal application of violence where applicable. This however doesn't change a rather important fact for us capsuleers: We can't kill an idea, largely because we can't kill the people holding them.
I could easily set my deathclone somewhere within your reach, undock, die, undock, die from now until the station fell apart and you would not be able to break the continuity of my mind nor my ideas. Given sufficient time and maybe someone to pay for the ammunition, you could potentially - eventually - destroy most of my assets if I for some unfathomable reason decided to bring them into harms way and even if that impossible eventuality occurred I would still be perfectly able to work my way back up to fully operational within a fraction of the time it took me to get here now.
Capsuleers are physically unbreakable in this regard. Wardecs? Perpetual campaigns against us? Doesn't work. Worst case scenario and most of Eve turns against us, we can just pack up and go somewhere else, starting anew.
Your lasers are quite literally incapable of even targeting the ideologies, philosophies or ideas I carry and have no effect on them. No matter how many of them you managed to scrounge up.
Now, I've used the saying "If you can't solve your problems with violence, you didn't apply enough violence" before, but it's to a degree rather tongue in cheek. It works when your problem isn't practically immortal and easily capable of rebuilding anything you destroy. Since your message seems to relate to what I mentioned earlier, I can only assume that 'Ascy' was directed at me.
"It works when your problem isn't practically immortal and easily capable of rebuilding" It's simply a matter of scale. If one is dealing with an infestation of fedos, then the scale would be some product of number of fedos, space they are in, lifespan of fedos, and their ability to multiply. In a hangar container, a decent fire would sort the problem out. If one was sieging a city, it would be some product of the size of the city, defenses, their stockpile of food/munitions and their ability to repair or reinforce. Using the same fire from our fedo-infested hangar container would be futile.
Capsuleers are practically immortal. It's a stretch to assume that we are actually immortal. We've both seen many disappear even with what would have seemed a reliable cloning contract with a reputable provider. Given that we are in the presence of those who have lived hundreds of years even before cloning was common place, I would say that our "immortality" is no more assured in the 14 years since the common use of capsule technology as it was the thousands of years prior. We are harder to kill via traditional methods.
Given the time the Empire has existed in it's current form (space-faring, stretching across hundreds of star systems) is such a small fraction of our actual existence; It's safe to say that what we you are calling "Immortal" could be as fleeting as a fedo-infested cargo container to the God's plan.
Capsuleers have already found ways to push the limits of relativity just by pushing mass numbers of drone-like capsuleers into a system. I'm not sure if I will live long enough to find out what the amount of firepower required to destroy the Sabik ideal might be, but I know God's Chosen will be.
And as much as it may surprise a few, I do have a sense of humour.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3817
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:45:33 -
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Ascentior wrote: mass numbers of drone-like capsuleers into a system
This is just a patently ridiculous statement on its face. Look, without any shadow of a doubt, Goonswarm is the single most experienced, most frequent, and most extreme purveyor of relativistic time-dilation effects, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that no, drone-like is not even remotely an accurate comparison.
Drones do what you tell them to. They're at least a little bit useful.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1897
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Posted - 2017.05.22 00:46:32 -
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That is all well and good, but doesn't address the point. Our ideas can't be purged by fire. One capsuleer can't actually kill another. Of course, on a sufficiently long timescale everything may change, entire nations - and their ideas and ideologies - may be consigned to oblivion but that's not the scale we operate on today, nor in this context.
We capsuleers, whether we be members of PIE, Goons, school corps or whatever else, are as far as containers and vessels for ideologies and philosophies... fairly invulnerable.
Lasers and autocannons can help drive the point home, but if you want to get at the idea you're going to have to employ far more difficult weapons. Reason, guile, deception or immutable truth. I have no proficiency in applying any of those to other people, and it would appear the same applies to most of us out here if history is any judge, but these are still the only weapons that'll get at an idea. |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
331
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Posted - 2017.05.22 01:31:52 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Our ideas can't be purged by fire. I think that particular phrase was coined by a Ni-Kunni (or was it an Udorian) many, many years ago. Can't recall their name, nor their idea.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1897
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Posted - 2017.05.22 01:37:10 -
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Again, context and scale matters here. New Eden has changed since those days, and we're talking about what we do as capsuleers. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3820
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Posted - 2017.05.22 02:26:46 -
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Ascentior wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Our ideas can't be purged by fire. I think that particular phrase was coined by a Ni-Kunni (or was it an Udorian) many, many years ago. Can't recall their name, nor their idea.
Lay you good odds it was nobody talking about the ideas, and time, that caused that... not a fire. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Kurilaivonen
2083
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Posted - 2017.05.22 02:56:28 -
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But what of the followers of The Burgundy God? Their clerical vestments of smoking jackets are rather classy. |
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
225
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Posted - 2017.05.22 03:49:36 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:That is all well and good, but doesn't address the point. Our ideas can't be purged by fire. One capsuleer can't actually kill another. Of course, on a sufficiently long timescale everything may change, entire nations - and their ideas and ideologies - may be consigned to oblivion but that's not the scale we operate on today, nor in this context.
We capsuleers, whether we be members of PIE, Goons, school corps or whatever else, are as far as containers and vessels for ideologies and philosophies... fairly invulnerable.
Lasers and autocannons can help drive the point home, but if you want to get at the idea you're going to have to employ far more difficult weapons. Reason, guile, deception or immutable truth. I have no proficiency in applying any of those to other people, and it would appear the same applies to most of us out here if history is any judge, but these are still the only weapons that'll get at an idea.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
136
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Posted - 2017.05.22 04:50:40 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:My service record and years of opposition against the Sabik are very much a matter of public record.
Verbal opposition counts for nothing, young pup. I am as ancient as the soil you were born on. Countless billions have perished in my time in space alone. I have fought empires and won... and lost. I've seen your kind glitter and dye faster than the lives I've reaped over and over and over again. Their blood stains my armada - my weapons - my hands - my soul. I am awash in their very existence for all eternity.
To me, you are no-one.
...
Woah! That was fricking weird!
I could have sworn I was giggling a second ago...
I'll be right back once I've remembered the witty comment I was going to give to this topic.
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2086
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Posted - 2017.05.22 05:06:39 -
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Fight ALL the heretics!
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
136
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Posted - 2017.05.22 05:19:11 -
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OH YEAH!
This whole fricking thing is hilarious!
Syenna, muh dear,
I've only been lucky enough to fly with you for a brief stint over the last while, but you are fabulous! I really REALLY want to join you on this venture and I KNEW I always liked you the best!
(Sorry Milo, love you too tho)
Please please please reap and reap those who foolishly follow this bloody (no pun) Red God twit.
Only when they finally realise their folly and submit and worship me will the stars be aligned and heaven righted!
MWahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHahahaaha!!!
Ahem... I mean... well... damn it all THAT'S WHAT I MEANT... OK?
Also, seriously, where'd you find this lovely bunch?
~~~~~ Finally, to end on a comedy note:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:But what of the followers of The Burgundy God? Their clerical vestments of smoking jackets are rather classy.
This. This right here. This is what we need. BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR BURGUNDY GODDESS! YOUR CRIMSON MISTRESS! YOUR SCARLET EMPRESS! YOUR VERMILLION QUEEN!
...your carmine.... erm... carmine... conqueror?
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
160
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:16:07 -
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:This. This right here. This is what we need. BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR BURGUNDY GODDESS! YOUR CRIMSON MISTRESS! YOUR SCARLET EMPRESS! YOUR VERMILLION QUEEN!
...your carmine.... erm... carmine... conqueror? I guess I'll stay out of Providence for a month or two.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Schmidt's Sewing Suits and Spaceships
456
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:29:16 -
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Blade Darth wrote:Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:This. This right here. This is what we need. BOW DOWN BEFORE YOUR BURGUNDY GODDESS! YOUR CRIMSON MISTRESS! YOUR SCARLET EMPRESS! YOUR VERMILLION QUEEN!
...your carmine.... erm... carmine... conqueror? I guess I'll stay out of Providence for a month or two.
As if you needed a reason to stay out of Provi.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Syenna Celeste
Stormghosts
127
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:38:36 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:Aradina Varren wrote:An amendment: It also includes a select group of people who don't frequent highsec and do have the ability to fight back. These groups can be brought up whenever someone accuses them of only going for soft targets, but aren't a risk because, frankly, they can't be arsed and have far more important things to do than chase wartargets around kspace, including but not limited to "literally anything else but that". If people bring this up, you simply deflect with silly excuses such as "we don't have to hunt the people we said we'd be hunting".
Is that more accurate? Yep! Close to the point. It's important to declare war on all those who are in opposition to the Sabik faith, except for anyone who may have any sort of power base, including ARC, or PNS, because those smaller groups? They're more dangerous, really. There's never been a time where a six-man gang, half of which are nearly day-old pilots out of the blue, which is mysterious and odd, can easily drop, blap a ship, and warp again. Haha, oh wait, that's super easy to do. They're just lazy.
ARC and PNS are two groups I am familiar with and two groups who are currently working towards ends that I approve of, including the destruction of Nauplius' Citadel. Nauplius is, obviously one of the Red God cretins the demise of which I seek. Ultimately, why would I bother to join the horde attacking him when they're already more than capable of doing it with existing forces?
I refer you to my combat record if you think I'm scared of groups that can fight back. Of course, that history always gets conveniently ignored the moment I reenter empire space.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Schmidt's Sewing Suits and Spaceships
456
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:43:39 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote: ARC and PNS are two groups I am familiar with and two groups who are currently working towards ends that I approve of, including the destruction of Nauplius' Citadel. Nauplius is, obviously one of the Red God cretins the demise of which I seek. Ultimately, why would I bother to join the horde attacking him when they're already more than capable of doing it with existing forces?
I refer you to my combat record if you think I'm scared of groups that can fight back. Of course, that history always gets conveniently ignored the moment I reenter empire space.
Haha, what? Why declare war on the groups that provide logistic support and the numbers needed to take care of the citadel, then? You don't even know me, or my corporation, and I doubt the flurry of completely suspicious new hires who, for whatever reason, are likely injected with skills to actually have given a ****. You're trying to jerk yourself off as a righteous cause for some Sabik nutjob B.S. while not aggressing on corporations that, given the chance, would purge you from their respective nation in droves.
Stop waggling your killboard around like an oversized clitoris. Yes, I checked your combat history. Yes, I don't care.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Syenna Celeste
Stormghosts
128
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:52:14 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote: Haha, what? Why declare war on the groups that provide logistic support and the numbers needed to take care of the citadel, then?.l
They don't need your help.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Schmidt's Sewing Suits and Spaceships
456
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Posted - 2017.05.22 06:54:19 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote: Haha, what? Why declare war on the groups that provide logistic support and the numbers needed to take care of the citadel, then?.l
They don't need your help.
Epic retort, dude.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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