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Teinyhr
Ourumur
910
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Posted - 2017.05.22 12:34:05 -
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Mizhir wrote:I see we have that in common. Even though there are groups in my clan that would rather have me expelled or killed, the majority still sees me as their guardian. I take their safety uttermost serious, however the wellbeing and prosperity is just as important. I have been involved and funding several teraforming projects and I take pride in aiding both nature and man to flourish in the otherwise barren deserts.
However my clan does also give much in return. My mum and the other mystics offer the best guidance I could ever wish for and the love I get from my fellow clan members is worth it all plus more.
Ouch, sorry to hear that, at least I have almost complete support so I don't have to add "being kicked out of clan" to my worry list anytime soon.
I didn't mean to sound like it is a thankless job - but the stress can be very real even with all the well wishes and support. |
Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75328
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Posted - 2017.05.22 12:41:16 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Mizhir wrote:I see we have that in common. Even though there are groups in my clan that would rather have me expelled or killed, the majority still sees me as their guardian. I take their safety uttermost serious, however the wellbeing and prosperity is just as important. I have been involved and funding several teraforming projects and I take pride in aiding both nature and man to flourish in the otherwise barren deserts.
However my clan does also give much in return. My mum and the other mystics offer the best guidance I could ever wish for and the love I get from my fellow clan members is worth it all plus more.
Ouch, sorry to hear that, at least I have almost complete support so I don't have to add "being kicked out of clan" to my worry list anytime soon. I didn't mean to sound like it is a thankless job - but the stress can be very real even with all the well wishes and support.
Well their voices aren't so strong. So I barely worry about them. I still have full support from the elder council as well as the cheiftess.
I have never seen it as a thankless job. However as a capsuleer I could have just taken what I had and leave them behind. Not that I would ever do that.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1902
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:21:35 -
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I think you know what I take seriously, Elsebeth. The contents on the IGS doesn't tend to rate that level of attention, anymore. For the most part, anyway. This is mostly because you're right. The capsuleers and contents here and on other public fora have for the most part descended into parodies of what was, spineless lip-service and conflict-averse ephemera that stands for nothing when push comes to shove.
The greatest threats or concerns to be found are crimson clowns and certain cliques that occasionally swarm and then fade back into irrelevancy, and nothing of substance ever gets built or pursued it'd seem.
What is there to take seriously here, other than a vanishingly small number of individuals? It'd appear the kind of people who frequent this sort of place are also the kind who don't actually tend to be worth taking seriously out there in New Eden, so this place follows suit.
So, you know what kind of thing I take seriously, and we don't really do much of anything that qualifies as such, do we Elsebeth? Or dear whoever else is the reader. In short, this place and its denizens doesn't get taken seriously because no one here hardly ever does anything worth taking seriously. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
952
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:27:29 -
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I take everything I do seriously and all it gets is people saying I need to relax. Or insulting me, that is another usual response.
Most of the 'humor' I read here or hear in the Summit just sounds like the unfocused thoughts of people with no drive and less like an attempt to actually be funny or entertaining.
As strength goes.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
332
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:34:07 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I think you know what I take seriously, Elsebeth. The contents on the IGS doesn't tend to rate that level of attention, anymore. For the most part, anyway. This is mostly because you're right. The capsuleers and contents here and on other public fora have for the most part descended into parodies of what was, spineless lip-service and conflict-averse ephemera that stands for nothing when push comes to shove.
The greatest threats or concerns to be found are crimson clowns and certain cliques that occasionally swarm and then fade back into irrelevancy, and nothing of substance ever gets built or pursued it'd seem.
What is there to take seriously here, other than a vanishingly small number of individuals? It'd appear the kind of people who frequent this sort of place are also the kind who don't actually tend to be worth taking seriously out there in New Eden, so this place follows suit.
So, you know what kind of thing I take seriously, and we don't really do much of anything that qualifies as such, do we Elsebeth? Or dear whoever else is the reader. In short, this place and its denizens doesn't get taken seriously because no one here hardly ever does anything worth taking seriously. I can't believe you're not taking my chocolate seriously |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate
2151
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:45:45 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I think you know what I take seriously, Elsebeth. The contents on the IGS doesn't tend to rate that level of attention, anymore. For the most part, anyway. This is mostly because you're right. The capsuleers and contents here and on other public fora have for the most part descended into parodies of what was, spineless lip-service and conflict-averse ephemera that stands for nothing when push comes to shove.
The greatest threats or concerns to be found are crimson clowns and certain cliques that occasionally swarm and then fade back into irrelevancy, and nothing of substance ever gets built or pursued it'd seem.
What is there to take seriously here, other than a vanishingly small number of individuals? It'd appear the kind of people who frequent this sort of place are also the kind who don't actually tend to be worth taking seriously out there in New Eden, so this place follows suit.
So, you know what kind of thing I take seriously, and we don't really do much of anything that qualifies as such, do we Elsebeth? Or dear whoever else is the reader. In short, this place and its denizens doesn't get taken seriously because no one here hardly ever does anything worth taking seriously. I can't believe you're not taking my chocolate seriously
I take chocolate very seriously, none of that over-sugared stuff for me thanks. Minimum 70% cocoa as a rule, although I have found some higher cocoa content milk chocolates to be pleasant.
I also have a delightfully simple chocolate martini recipe. I'll share it with you if I can make it to your party. And yes, it does produce a very serious martini... |
Ioannis Sepphiros
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:47:24 -
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Politics, Philosophy, Humanitarianism, anything really that goes beyond and above mindless Hedonism. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3831
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Posted - 2017.05.22 13:47:30 -
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Ayallah wrote:people saying I need to relax
You do. But you won't. So you keep on doing you. You do it well.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3831
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:02:41 -
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As for the larger question...
Very little that percolates into the chattering nonsense of the IGS.
I take my responsibilities seriously. They're not here.
I take my job seriously. It's not here, either.
I take my people seriouslyGÇöboth sets, the people who have claim on me through ties of blood, upbringing, and culture, as well as those who have claim on me because of shared toil, triumph, and loss, and because I've chosen to make commitments to be responsible to, and for them. On the one hand, those people are my Clan, my Tribe, and the Matari, in increasingly attenuated and indirect line of responsibility... and on the other, they are my Logistics wing in any given fleet, RepSwarm, and the entire Imperium.
I take them seriously. I have reason to take them seriously.
With very few exceptions, none of the people here have provided me with reasons to take them seriously, and plenty of reasons not to. And that's fine. I don't expect them to feel like they should. I don't expect them to feel like they should take my statements here seriously, either.
As for regrets, or other things that affect me enough to be considered 'serious'... There are really only three or four people in the cluster who've earned the full list of those. Sorry. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
952
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:30:12 -
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Arrendis wrote:Ayallah wrote:people saying I need to relax You do. But you won't. So you keep on doing you. You do it well. I do not. I could not survive if I did not remain as focused as possible at all times. If anything I am too lax, I know I am. I am not interested in enummerating my burdens or responsibilites but I struggle daily and in every interaction to remain as temperate as I am.
As strength goes.
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Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
277
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:34:04 -
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Business, Industry, passion and self-preservation.
I also take animated holos and my Gallente porn collection pretty seriously.
GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
963
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:35:13 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:So, you know what kind of thing I take seriously, and we don't really do much of anything that qualifies as such, do we Elsebeth? Or dear whoever else is the reader. In short, this place and its denizens doesn't get taken seriously because no one here hardly ever does anything worth taking seriously. I don't think that's true.
You are here. I am here. Arrendis. Gaven Lok'ri. Valentina. I know for a fact plenty more read this than write (hi to all who sent mail - you are in good company).
It's not that no one here does anything worth taking seriously.
It's that no one here who does things worth taking seriously seems to dare post about them anymore. It's almost like people have become afraid of the scorn of "but why can't we all just get along" types. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3837
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:52:20 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It's that no one here who does things worth taking seriously seems to dare post about them anymore. It's almost like people have become afraid of the scorn of "but why can't we all just get along" types.
I can't speak for anyone else, but... no. The people whose scorn I care about are the same ones that get to know all my demons. Anyone else? Meaningless and empty shadows, photons on a GalNet site, and nothing more.
And therein lies the truth of what you're seeing: Why should I parade my activities out before a bunch of irrelevant nothings? Why should I care enough about their approval to say 'I did a thing!' as if I need their validation? I'll leave that kind of 'look at me, see, I do things that matter!' to people like Napkins and those who need to make a show of attacking him.
I do what I do. Those who should know what that is, do. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1905
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Posted - 2017.05.22 14:57:07 -
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This is going to sound rather dismissive then, but if they fear the scorn of that kind of spineless troglodyte, why should I take them seriously?
You might be right though. There is much I never see or know about in New Eden, but the end result still becomes the same then. It may be worth taking seriously, but if it never appears on my sensors or feeds, it might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned, no?
Until such a time comes, I'll be idly dipping my toes in this slurry of mediocrity primarily for entertainment purposes and occasional educational rants, while out there in New Eden I'll bide my time watching the death and birth of Keepstars, alliances and "empires" that at least try to do something more noteworthy than... I don't know. Chocolate and Sani Sabik parodies.
We are here, Elsebeth... but if none of us see anything we do that might be worth taking seriously, does it even happen as far as we are concerned? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
964
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:04:11 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:This is going to sound rather dismissive then, but if they fear the scorn of that kind of spineless troglodyte, why should I take them seriously? [---] Until such a time comes, I'll be idly dipping my toes in this slurry of mediocrity primarily for entertainment purposes and occasional educational rants, while out there in New Eden I'll bide my time watching the death and birth of Keepstars, alliances and "empires" that at least try to do something more noteworthy than... I don't know. Chocolate and Sani Sabik parodies. But you see, with that stance it is you too who seems a little afraid of the "chocolate and sani sabik posers". You choose to give up this space as something where serious work does not belong. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3841
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:26:07 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:You choose to give up this space as something where serious work does not belong.
But turn that around: why should this space be taken seriously? What makes the IGS worthy of being thought of more highly than the Local system fluid router channel?
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
922
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:28:22 -
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God, Empire, my noble house and my organizations on that order.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
969
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:33:12 -
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Arrendis wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:You choose to give up this space as something where serious work does not belong. But turn that around: why should this space be taken seriously? What makes the IGS worthy of being thought of more highly than the Local system fluid router channel? Nothing.
It's just I found it more interesting when you could.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1912
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:35:34 -
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That's a fair standpoint, but you'll also note that I've included myself in the group of people who don't really do anything worth taking very seriously. Oh, I'll set up a Staging and Containment center perhaps, or whatever else when the situation calls for it. I'll even put on the 'serious' face and announce it and so on. I do my part for the Network and all those little non-capsuleer things. I tour with Sarz'namarr and break open the odd volcano or something while waging a small cultural and ideological war among the baseliners, and occasionally use this place advertising such things.
That doesn't really count all that much though. On the scales of New Eden, it barely registers and most of it is irrelevant to capsuleers anyway.
No, Elsebeth. I don't think any of us 'fear' these worthless creatures. We just don't do much to rise above them, do we? You named some names earlier. Arrendis, toils for the goons and has worth on her own but does nothing worth taking seriously here. Gaven dutifully nudges the pendulum, in a never-ending Sisyphean task that achieves nothing. I undock and fulfill my contracts to the letter, killing and destroying without the cause even being my own. You now do the same as Gaven, in the other direction.
No, we don't choose to give up this space. We just don't do anything worth putting here, when even the things we do that does matter and is worth taking seriously... doesn't actually matter or is worth taking seriously for others here. When we put up another Keepstar, what does it matter to you? When another Sotiyo churning out super capitals in Delve goes up, what does it matter to me?
What does Electus Matari do that's worth noting to the rest of the IGS? What does PIE do that's worth noting to the rest of the IGS?
It doesn't really matter what people are loyal to here, every entity that does proclaim some sort of loyalty does nothing of note, and the entities in New Eden that does do something of note are irrelevant to the vast majority of denizens of this place because it's so far beyond the reach and even realms of possibility for them.
Want this place to have something worth taking seriously on it? Well, maybe we need to do something worth taking seriously first. They happen all the time, but separated from this place because this place is irrelevant to most people who do things that matter. Regions burn, staggering industrial capacity is born and thrive, battles worthy of continuous days of song in remembrance all happen on a daily basis but this place just can't deal with these things because it's a scale most of its denizens will never grasp.
Let me know when an entity has ambitions to be an entity worthy of note both here on the IGS, and out there in the void where it bloody matters. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3913
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:39:25 -
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Integrity. Insight. This tapestry of interactions and relations, woven among stars. (Thread count: absurd.)
Poetry. Emotion. "Being human." The humanity of even the cruelest and deadliest among us.
"We are not gods." The strangeness of our place in this world.
Civilization. Costs and benefits. The human animal. The Drifters.
The lies we tell ourselves, and each other. Ripples of interaction.
The state of my soul. The mark I leave on this world. Leaving a mark at all.
"I see every reason to doubt my own existence."
Connections with those around me, who touch my life, whose lives I touch.
Duty. Warmth and kindness. Home.
Misery, mine or others'. Love and heartache. Frailty. Understanding hard-won.
Humility, Moderation, Compassion, Curiosity.
Wisdom.
Lighting candles. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
969
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:45:04 -
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Mizhara del'Thul wrote: I don't think any of us 'fear' these worthless creatures. We just don't do much to rise above them, do we? That is indeed a good way to put it.
You talk about how no one does anything worthwhile. Of course, one person's and one organizations actions are pretty never anything compared to the whole cluster - and when they are, they tend to make the news, and be discussed by others, not by the person him/herself. And yes, a lot of what gets posted on IGS is meaningless dribble even by those standards.
Part of the fear I seem to feel about the serious people posting about serious things seems to be exactly that: that by making posts about what matters to you, you somehow lower yourself to the perceived level of the IGS, admit by association that your serious face is nothing but "chocolate and Sani Sabik parodies" (sorry, but I love that phrase, and am totally going to adopt it until it becomes a traditional saying whose origin no one really remembers anymore, and my apologies to chocolate lovers, but not really to Sabik).
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3841
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:54:32 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Yet part of the fear I seem to feel about the serious people posting about serious things seems to be exactly that: that by making posts about what matters to you, you somehow lower yourself to the perceived level of the IGS, admit by association that your serious face is nothing but "chocolate and Sani Sabik parodies"
Again, I can't speak for Miz or anyone else, but... you keep bringing 'fear' into this, when I don't see fear as being involved at all.
Let's say I do something I consider significant, off in my little pocket of space. There are people who will be affected by it. There are people I will be doing that for, or doing it to, and people I'm doing it with. They already know what was done.
The rest of you are utterly unimportant. Why should I care to share anything of that nature with you? Not 'why should I lower myself to your level' not 'why should I open the matter up for the IGS to judge it, and by extension, me'. Just very simply: who the hel are you that I should give a fedo's backside about telling you anything? It's not like you're going to be at all relevant to my purposes. You're not going to affect my actions in the slightest.
Telling the IGS about anything of consequence is about as useless as telling the IGS what color socks I'm wearing. Why should I? What does this place offer to be worth bothering? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
970
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Posted - 2017.05.22 15:57:11 -
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Arrendis wrote:Telling the IGS about anything of consequence is about as useless as telling the IGS what color socks I'm wearing. Why should I? What does this place offer to be worth bothering? Again, there is no particular reason to, if you prefer not to. This place is of no value in itself. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1912
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:02:16 -
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Perhaps. Another possibility may just be that it's just not worth the effort when there are other fora where things that matter does get discussed, proclaimed and noted by an audience of others that do things worth noting, or at least are part of entities that do. There's a separation in play between the audience of this place and these other fora. It wasn't always that way, in the past. Part of this place's audience had ambitions and went out and did things.
Over time though, those people slowly but surely had to separate from this place because this place simply catered to a different kind of capsuleer. To put it bluntly, the kind that doesn't undock, or when they do it's never to do anything with substance. In order to be part of something that might matter in New Eden, an entity has to have standards of performance and activity. Ambitions for something more than pendulums or station tanking. This is antithetical to most people this place caters to and from there grows a gulf of resentment between these two demographics.
There are serious matters that are not galaxy-changing, nor brag-worthy battles, but as long as this place doesn't value - in fact even resents - the existence of these things, those matters too fall by the wayside as collateral casualties to this place's resentment of both putting in an effort in space, taking any risks of significant values and having any kind of standards of quality in matters outside of the docking ring. |
Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
944
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:02:24 -
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Relevancy is relative, even space relevancy. At least it seems to be something you take seriously? Hm.
Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
970
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:09:36 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Over time though, those people slowly but surely had to separate from this place because this place simply catered to a different kind of capsuleer. To put it bluntly, the kind that doesn't undock, or when they do it's never to do anything with substance. I am going to say this one more thing, and then I hope we can continue to listen to the thoughtful answers from the people who do want to express what matters to them.
This place does not really "cater to" anyone. Its public nature means that it is unselective and that by nature turns away those people who'd prefer selection and those matters that need operational security. That alone does not mean that talkers of empty talk get any preferential treatment, however.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1913
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:16:11 -
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Fair enough. The place itself may not cater to anyone, but its intended audience certainly does. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3841
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:19:02 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:This place does not really "cater to" anyone.
Oh, but you're very wrong there. Its public nature may mean there's the potential for an unselective platform, but in practice, the swarming gnats of idiocy mean that platform exists under very specific atmospheric conditions that can be summed up as 'a swirling cloud of feces'.
And so in effect, anyone who wants to say anything here has to wade through that cloud. All in all, the effect is that yes, this place very much caters to the buzzing fecal-phages like Napkins. In may ways, he and his ilk have become the true apotheosis of the IGS.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1716
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:28:12 -
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I'll admit to keeping a lot of my personal fronted efforts, or large scale efforts I'm involved in, mostly off the IGS outside of the odd post possibly. First and foremost because of my experiences with the PPC lead me to believe that petty drama between adults (and capsuleers no less too) has a habit of outshining the serious efforts of participants, especially in a naive, but highly detailed effort to offer a potential blueprint for a somewhat more concrete peace.
Secondly, there's just not the appetite here to know of things like the Conclave of Providence and its efforts to establish a legal and religious framework for the advancement of Amarr interests, culture and governance into that nullsecurity system. No one that wasn't already closely involved anyways, or was able to keep an eye on it via knowing a participant, cared about the weeks of debate to push forward Operation Deliverance and the promotion of the Faith. Only Amarr cared, everyone else seemed to mostly just shrug. Why cater to promoting activities like that to a crowd who can't even put up an interesting retort to our efforts let alone the small amount of praise it got, once again mostly from the Amarr.
Looking beyond the end of my personal involvement, ongoing efforts to establish the Empyrean Council for the region to enact the decrees of the Conclave will also go on unnoticed here, because the input from my personal experience isn't usually worth the effort of reading, and it seems the Council Members, the Principal and the region's Magistrate agree. Those with sage advice have already spoken directly to the Council, those with retorts already have done so with guns.
Excuse me for failing to care when my attempts to inform the peanut gallery come up short, I find my time better spent talking to those that want to actually talk, and shooting at those that want to shoot. Outside of the odd good discussion or important news, the IGS for the most part has become my morning coffee rabble rouser and place to sharpen my snark. I'm still learning the latter.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3916
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:28:28 -
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Uh-- Miz, Arrendis?
Not that you apparently care a lot, but maybe you could take this discussion into the "Off Topic" thread? It seems to be a tangent to the original question, here, and I'd really like to see other people's answers. |
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