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YellowRubberDucky
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:05:09 -
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With the introduction of Small injectors, im actually suprised CCP hasent made Premium new class not the same ya da ya da ships with cough bonuses, |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2017.05.23 16:29:02 -
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... What?
Economic PVP
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2017.05.23 20:17:02 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:... What? Gold ammo. |
Haile Korhal
Professional Amateurs
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Posted - 2017.05.23 20:17:48 -
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Something something eve is dying
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1621
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Posted - 2017.05.23 21:47:40 -
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Another quality thread
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.05.23 22:31:14 -
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I think you need to train another rank in forum shitposting. Whatever rank you currently have is barely legible. |
CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.30 01:32:04 -
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Inject English skill :P |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.05.30 01:40:04 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:... What? Gold ammo. skill injector cannon has an interesting ring to it
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.30 02:09:56 -
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Like the World Of Tanks Premium Tank, that is hard to kill without the premium ammo, but also has crap dps itself without the premium ammo?
EvE is a different marketing model from F2P, it is more of a free trial. So technically any ship you can't fly as an alpha is your premium content.
Different injector size is just giving players more options.
Seriously which WoW drenched rock did you crawl out from under?
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Piugattuk
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.30 02:39:42 -
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Why not, golden ammo even, no matter what anybody puts forth 99% of people always just say no, nobody wants features, they want a static eve. |
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.05.30 04:32:46 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Like the World Of Tanks Premium Tank, that is hard to kill without the premium ammo, but also has crap dps itself without the premium ammo? EvE is a different marketing model from F2P, it is more of a free trial. So technically any ship you can't fly as an alpha is your premium content. Different injector size is just giving players more options. Seriously which WoW drenched rock did you crawl out from under?
your right... golden ammo already does exist. its called barrage and hail, scorch and gleam. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.30 06:10:11 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Why not, golden ammo even, no matter what anybody puts forth 99% of people always just say no, nobody wants features, they want a static eve. Because 99% of people don't want to wallet PvP because they know how much they'll lose playing wallet PvP. Some of the mobile wallet warrior PvP games are so bad they literally pay their marketing team to stalk potential whales on social media to get them to come play.
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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:20:19 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Like the World Of Tanks Premium Tank, that is hard to kill without the premium ammo, but also has crap dps itself without the premium ammo? EvE is a different marketing model from F2P, it is more of a free trial. So technically any ship you can't fly as an alpha is your premium content. Different injector size is just giving players more options. Seriously which WoW drenched rock did you crawl out from under?
Ohhh, but what about... some sort of "Permanently Unlock A Skill" item that costs PLEX. So even if you're an Alpha Caldari, you can use Light Lasers even as Alpha if you pay $5 worth of PLEX and select that skill.
It'd be a terrible trap for people who don't want to/aren't ready to sub, because if they do sub for any significant length of time then they aren't making use of their skill-specific investment(s). They either need to remain Alpha and keep buying more individual skills (which after like 20 skills, they might as well have gone Omega for a year) or lapse, losing all their Omega stuff but hey they still have whatever they unlocked individually.
It's a bad deal in the long run, but I can imagine people who don't like subscriptions going for it, as well as people who are willing to throw a little cash at the game but don't want to "commit" to a subscription. And of course, poor fools who don't know better. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
622
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Posted - 2017.05.30 08:06:02 -
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Suren Scott wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Like the World Of Tanks Premium Tank, that is hard to kill without the premium ammo, but also has crap dps itself without the premium ammo? EvE is a different marketing model from F2P, it is more of a free trial. So technically any ship you can't fly as an alpha is your premium content. Different injector size is just giving players more options. Seriously which WoW drenched rock did you crawl out from under? Ohhh, but what about... some sort of "Permanently Unlock A Skill" item that costs PLEX. So even if you're an Alpha Caldari, you can use Light Lasers even as Alpha if you pay $5 worth of PLEX and select that skill. It'd be a terrible trap for people who don't want to/aren't ready to sub, because if they do sub for any significant length of time then they aren't making use of their skill-specific investment(s). They either need to remain Alpha and keep buying more individual skills (which after like 20 skills, they might as well have gone Omega for a year) or lapse, losing all their Omega stuff but hey they still have whatever they unlocked individually. It's a bad deal in the long run, but I can imagine people who don't like subscriptions going for it, as well as people who are willing to throw a little cash at the game but don't want to "commit" to a subscription. And of course, poor fools who don't know better.
It already works that way, Pay 500 Plex get a sub, be able to use anything and everything regardless of race. Given you have the skills trained to do so.
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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
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Posted - 2017.05.30 08:42:45 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote: It already works that way, Pay 500 Plex get a sub, be able to use anything and everything regardless of race. Given you have the skills trained to do so.
While subbed you can use Omega skills, but when the sub lapses the benefits from your Omega skill ranks are inactive.
I'm talking about a terrible EA monetization scheme preying on Alphas that would let them use cherry-picked Omega skills without Omega time, like 100 Plex per skill. Given the number of skills a character might reasonably make use of, the break-even point for sub vs. permanent skill unlock would probably be a decade, optimistically.
Just because it would be a bad deal doesn't mean someone wouldn't buy it, either out of a hatred for subscription models or just not knowing any better.
There are games I've played that offer similar choices between a cheap individual permanent unlock vs. a timed service that offers more benefits (while active). They usually don't have the mind-boggling number of skills as Eve, though, and anyone paying attention can find break-even analyses posted by other players.
Addendum: I'm not saying this is a good idea. I'm just saying this would be an evil mobile game idea that would probably make money. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2017.05.30 12:39:45 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Piugattuk wrote:Why not, golden ammo even, no matter what anybody puts forth 99% of people always just say no, nobody wants features, they want a static eve. Because 99% of people don't want to wallet PvP because they know how much they'll lose playing wallet PvP. Some of the mobile wallet warrior PvP games are so bad they literally pay their marketing team to stalk potential whales on social media to get them to come play. Every time people say about something in EvE "PTW" (the latest one ware skill injectors) others point that in EvE it's the player skills which make the difference and not ships/modules/ammo.
Using the same logic: is "golden ammo" PTW? I would say "No" because bad pilot will not "Win" against good pilot even having golden ammo.
So why not?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2017.05.30 16:49:32 -
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now for double you monthly sub you can fly this new shuttle that has 8 high, 8 mid, and 8 lows and 1pg and 1 cpu.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
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Posted - 2017.05.30 16:52:14 -
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kinder surprise* |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.31 07:15:55 -
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March rabbit wrote:Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Piugattuk wrote:Why not, golden ammo even, no matter what anybody puts forth 99% of people always just say no, nobody wants features, they want a static eve. Because 99% of people don't want to wallet PvP because they know how much they'll lose playing wallet PvP. Some of the mobile wallet warrior PvP games are so bad they literally pay their marketing team to stalk potential whales on social media to get them to come play. Every time people say about something in EvE "PTW" (the latest one ware skill injectors) others point that in EvE it's the player skills which make the difference and not ships/modules/ammo. Using the same logic: is "golden ammo" PTW? I would say "No" because bad pilot will not "Win" against good pilot even having golden ammo. So why not? They keep doing more of it. Doing "enough" of this (no idea where "enough" is, don't think CCP knows either) is how you end up with free-to-play games you literally can't give away for free because they're so bad. I suppose there's always sitting in stations and playing Barbie or chatting because you don't have some mouth-breather with golden everything who bought CONCORD off with PLEX messing with you, but... sigh.
Every time they pull something like this, the game *does* lose players. I've still got Tippia's leftover stuff sitting in a station in Kubinen. That's content you're not going to see again, and money CCP will never see any more of.
Remember that perception thing in this post? The one about people outside thinking we literally blow up thousands of dollars of Internet spaceship?
Quote:The last thing this game needs is some image of it being played by rich shitlords throwing "thousands of dollars worth of space ships around" while women and children (it's always women and children the way the media operates these days, right?) starve to death in his driveway.
I suppose we do have that image problem, if you look at the articles we see about EVE in the real-world news: stuff exploding is always measured in dollars. Zkill even lists shipwreck values in dollars, calculated against the price of PLEX. What's it to anyone here if CCP makes it a reality problem?
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Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
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Posted - 2017.05.31 11:57:28 -
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We have "gold ammo", faction ammo |
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
547
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Posted - 2017.05.31 19:24:37 -
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Faction ammo is bought with ISK, loyalty points from PvE activities, and the non-faction version of the ammo. If you wanted to, you could make it under current game mechanics without ever touching a subscription, because alphas can run missions, use the LP store, and make T1 ammo.
Gold ammo would have PLEX explicitly included in the price somewhere.
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Baaldor
dixon cox butte preservation society Solyaris Chtonium
463
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Posted - 2017.05.31 19:30:43 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:... What? Gold ammo.
WoT?!
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2017.05.31 20:51:11 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Faction ammo is bought with ISK, loyalty points from PvE activities, and the non-faction version of the ammo. If you wanted to, you could make it under current game mechanics without ever touching a subscription, because alphas can run missions, use the LP store, and make T1 ammo.
Gold ammo would have PLEX explicitly included in the price somewhere.
Industry tab
Medium Golden ammo costs:
100000 LP 1000 x t2 ammo 100 plex
Properties tab
tracking speed bonus 50% range bonus 50%
100 hp omni damage
shield base damage 100 armor base damage 100
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2017.05.31 20:53:31 -
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Baaldor wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:... What? Gold ammo. WoT?!
Yes.
Also Gekos.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Paul Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2017.06.02 01:02:14 -
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It's roughly -ú20 a month to play Eve Online at the moment & that figure is too high imho. The game is being stacked against those that play it well, in that one of the End-Games is to PLEX from ISK earned. If the price was lowered & more effort was placed on content ie- PvE (to make ISK to spend on blowing stuff up) then more people would play. I can honestly say that after speaking to young game players that I know. the game DM is screwing with the players in order to get more money. But the problem is retention & draw.
The game has been updated well considering. CCP has done well with a lot of the updates. but skill injectors, removal of the Jukebox, the IGB, -10KM range with heavy missiles, jump fatigue & other nonsense have changed things. Our trust in what we love to play & pay for has been called into question.
It feels like we are being squeezed for more ISK when we are already bleeding out. The Empires need to pay us more as they make enough from all the damn inhabited planets throughout New Eden.
More Pew Pew, Less pay pay. |
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