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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
929
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Posted - 2017.05.24 22:42:21 -
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Certain alliance who claims undying loyalty to Amarr Empire has set me kos on lifetime for my home. In sight of God Omnipotent I, Lord Vaari say this action was not only misguided, it was against all reason.
They claim loyalty, but in same time from their own fleet we saw insults directed to Her Imperial Majesty during her coronation, and nothing was done.
Teachings and examples of Lord Aralis are no longer followed, but only remembered. Yet their leaders claim to be loyalists even when it is not seen nor in action nor in words.
It is in human nature to speak against wrongs. One of the greatest sins in mortal word is claiming to support Amarr Empire when you do not. That certain alliance tells I have no right to speak against them. Those who loves Amarr Empire knows that I had no right to close my lips any longer.
As an amarrian nobleman i merely performed my duty and took a stand for my Empire.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3898
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Posted - 2017.05.24 23:42:06 -
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Yes, yes, you flapped your gums like a good little lapdog. Consider it noted. You can stop now. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
929
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Posted - 2017.05.24 23:43:12 -
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Arrendis wrote:Yes, yes, you flapped your gums like a good little lapdog. Consider it noted. You can stop now.
Goonswarm prostitute can shut her mouth.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
209
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Posted - 2017.05.24 23:57:52 -
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Vaari wrote:Certain alliance who claims undying loyalty to Amarr Empire has set me kos (kill on sight) on lifetime from my home. In sight of God Omnipotent I, Lord Vaari say this action was not only misguided, it was against all reason.
They claim loyalty, but in same time from their own fleet we saw insults directed to Her Imperial Majesty during her coronation, and nothing was done.
Teachings and examples of Lord Aralis are no longer followed, but only remembered. Yet their leaders claim to be loyalists even when it is not seen nor in action nor in words.
It is in human nature to speak against wrongs. One of the greatest sins in mortal word is claiming to support Amarr Empire when you do not. That certain alliance tells I have no right to speak against them. Those who loves Amarr Empire knows that I had no right to close my lips any longer.
As an amarrian nobleman i merely performed my duty and took a stand for my Empire.
I hear that the Purity of the Throne is looking for converts. Perhaps if you forswear Empress Catiz they might consider you.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
929
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:08:08 -
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I would rather hang my own late mother than join Blood Raiders.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3902
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:11:07 -
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Yup. Truly a paragon of Amarr wisdom: he can't tell the difference between Blooders and Puritans. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
929
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:19:36 -
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Arrendis wrote:Yup. Truly a paragon of Amarr wisdom: he can't tell the difference between Blooders and Puritans.
Yes, I noticed difference some time after posting. Mainly it was because of misunderstanding. This is not my native language.
Both are dangerous heretics though.
I still say, Prostitute of Goonswarm may remain silent.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1930
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:24:26 -
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Now now, don't be disingenuous. She doesn't charge. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3902
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:33:47 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Now now, don't be disingenuous. She doesn't charge.
Now who's getting petty? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1930
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:34:32 -
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Just defending your honor. Wouldn't want you looking mercenary. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3902
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Posted - 2017.05.25 00:41:26 -
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Yeah, I probably shouldn't have laughed as hard as I did there. Alas, I still don't put out. I think my last relationship's just too hard for people to follow. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
984
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Posted - 2017.05.25 05:52:27 -
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So tell me more about how you are not welcome in CVA space or operations.
Because I find this very amusing. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
972
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Posted - 2017.05.25 07:23:40 -
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I think that CVA has lost their way. But I think you also ostracized yourself with your actions Lord Vaari.
And no matter what happened, this appealing is not dignified. If they are wrong or if you are the highest path is still a silence now that it has all happened. If you continue to decry them it makes you seem the weaker.
My advice is to move on and learn from the mistakes that lost you your place of privilege. It may happen in other places where loyalty to the Empire and god alone are no longer enough. New Eden is changing and this is a trying time.
Again, there is greater strength in silence.
As strength goes.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
986
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Posted - 2017.05.25 10:19:14 -
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Talk crap, get slapped! |
Mizhir
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
75351
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Posted - 2017.05.25 10:24:45 -
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I second Ms Ayallah's notion. It appears that CVA has gotten too drunk on power and now want to be in charge themselves. Something similar to what the Blooders did. If you want something to happen I would recommend you to do something about it rather than complaining.
Death rides a fast C4mel
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2017.05.25 17:54:05 -
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CVA are still fighting for the Empire, aren't they? Do you fight for the Empire, Lord Vaari... or you will prefer siding with Minmatar to fight against CVA, who fight for the Empire?
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2395
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Posted - 2017.05.25 22:10:52 -
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Isn't this like the 10th thread he's made griping about being kicked out of/set to KoS by CVA?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3935
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Posted - 2017.05.25 22:27:24 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:CVA are still fighting for the Empire, aren't they?
No. They're fighting for CVA.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
337
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Posted - 2017.05.26 00:12:39 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:CVA are still fighting for the Empire, aren't they? Do you fight for the Empire, Lord Vaari... or you will prefer siding with Minmatar to fight against CVA, who fight for the Empire? I believe the point Lord Vaari is making is that he believes CVA claim to fight for The Empire, but do not do so by action.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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ValentinaDLM
Remember The Fallen. Atlas. Alliance
958
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:05:16 -
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CVA fight in the milita, and defend Providence setting people like me red and shooting us. That might not seem like much to some, but I haven't seen Vaari on the battlefield, unless that battlefield is IGS, but I see CVA in space all the time.. Their actions seem consistent with opposing people like myself, that is people who wish the Empire and it's loyalists harm. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3965
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:16:37 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:CVA fight in the milita, and defend Providence setting people like me red and shooting us.
Defending space they currently control does not mean they're defending it for the Empire. It means they're defending it for themselves.
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1733
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:19:17 -
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The real issue alluded to in this entire thread (and others) goes back a number of years, and primarily revolves around faith and Amarr culture and laws.
Providence has lacked solid, central and consistent spiritual guidance for some time, and a number of its corporations have allowed members to get away with things that SFRIM, PIE and many other loyalist organisations would not have hesitated to take action over. It's what happens when your organisation grows beyond the task of one man to manage, so I cannot say I don't expect there to be issues, but it is true that these incidents were not always followed up on as swiftly as they should have been.
Operation Deliverance (the part about actually applying the Faith and Laws of the Empire, not just holding the space) has, for the most part, had to be brought kicking and screaming to the fore-front once more. The Conclave of Providence was an effort to start addressing this, and its work will be continued and expanded upon by the Empyrean Council. It has not been without growing pains, but I am confident it will see success with Principle Jeds at the helm.
Providence needs a lot of education and work for its myriad of pilots, from a diverse set of backgrounds, and organisations to get back to that core root. So, in a sense, it can be argued it lost part of its way. It (the conceptual/generalisation 'it') stumbled along the path a little and needs a helping hand to get it back on track again. As a devoted Amarrian and a 'Provident' myself, I'm determined to assist there where I can.
To any Providence/CVA members reading, take this as honest and open advice given out of love for one's brothers and sisters of the faith, not a scolding. It's also meant as a means of ending the idle gossip from the ill informed, while not trying to cover up the obvious history of flaws and failings known to all here.
As for the explicit issue of Lord Vaari's personal status with CVA, that is an issue already addressed upon by CVA's diplomats on this very forum that neither I nor SFRIM will make public comment on.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1733
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:24:13 -
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To make it absolutely clear as well, is Providence, and as part of that coalition CVA, Amarr Loyal? Yes.
The fact that its leadership has supported the efforts to re-establish religious education, and to devolve matters on that to an eager pilot base, demonstrates that loyalty is still true even if a tiny number of malcontents spout nonsense in local communications.
The issue is more of bringing it into line with the very culture and finer details of the faith they are loyal to, an issue more to do with isolation in null security and spiritual neglect by clergy then anything else.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1013
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:37:48 -
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Don't take me wrong, but these assurances of CVA's loyalty to the faith would be more believable if they came from the CVA. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:40:51 -
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Been watching CVA for too long to take even their own claims as such. There's barely lipservice going on these days from Providence, and even that is so half-hearted that blind people could see through it. They're about as Amarr loyal as I am. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1013
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:44:56 -
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I admit I've been wondering lately if there's any point anymore in EM being on CVA KOS list. I mean, we are not in Provi, we are NRDS, CVA does not really give a damn about loyalists in general (on either side). It's just history.
Not that I entertain the notion it's history people will easily get over. But still. |
Utari Onzo
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1733
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:46:58 -
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Then my point of why I don't bother keeping an open update here of the goings on on the Operation Deliverance front is proven.
There's nothing to gain from expending the energy and effort of making a log here of the Council's work, the various initiatives started or the like (of which there are many, and by more then just CVA's hands) because the feedback from it would be about as useful to us as rubbing some crystals together and seeing what mysteries that will reveal.
You could hear it from me, you could hear it from CVA, you could hear it even from APOC, YF, -7- or the myriad of other organisations, each with their own formal representatives working together, and if you still won't believe it, well... That's a fair one, guv.
At the least I tried.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1013
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:52:14 -
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Just because Miz says she will not believe it in any case, and I remain skeptical of anyone but CVA making announcements of loyalty for the CVA, you decide there's no point in making updates about a potentially rather important development (or lack there-of) of an alliance with at least former ties to the nation states?
Suit yourself, but to me that sounds a rather extreme reaction.
I'd be interested to hear more about this Operation Deliverance, for sure. I am sure you can tell your point of view on it without making strong claims on CVA's behalf? It sounds like it would deserve its own thread. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1957
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Posted - 2017.05.26 18:52:21 -
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Utari, would you say Mercenary Coalition is loyal to the Tribes? I can assure you it's not, even though I can point to myself and some others as such. CVA and Providence is much the same and you know it. That you have sufficient numbers that the exact same loyalist percentage translates into big enough numbers for an 'Operation Deliverance' does not make CVA nor Providence Amarr loyal anymore. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
938
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Posted - 2017.05.26 19:36:53 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:To make it absolutely clear as well, is Providence, and as part of that coalition CVA, Amarr Loyal? Yes.
The fact that its leadership has supported the efforts to re-establish religious education, and to devolve matters on that to an eager pilot base, demonstrates that loyalty is still true even if a tiny number of malcontents spout nonsense in local communications.
The issue is more of bringing it into line with the very culture and finer details of the faith they are loyal to, an issue more to do with isolation in null security and spiritual neglect by clergy then anything else.
Since when CVA's leaders have supported religious education? Must be after I was made of KOS for demanding it few weeks ago and was barred access to the coalition forums. It is rather good ban, for shortly after that friend from Loyalist ranks told me that CVA has used my API-account to SPY ON ME. If i ever be non kos in Providence, surely as there is Heaven and Hell i wont use CVA's forum.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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