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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:32:00 -
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why is it there are missions without bounty's ?! i mean as a mission runner, you kind of feel stupid using 1hour to get 2mill when you know people with the same sp will get so much more just doing mining?!
i do NOT! complain about mining income (leave it as it is). OR mission income (when there is a bounty)
but when there is no bounty on the mobs and you have been using around 1hour and killed around 8-9bs. 15cruisers and 10-20 frigs. you feel kind of stupid getting those 2 mill as your reward for all your work.
besides your setting a 100mill+ ship on the line doing this....
the "reward=time+risk" just doesn't match up at all...
well peace out.
(i know i will get flamed by billions of people that thinks mission running is the GOLD mine... but untill you have tryid it out as it is know SHUT THE HELL UP, it's not near as profitable as mining, and takes alot more isk to get into even when your doing the best missions out there, you will maybe end up with 10-20mill a hour as a MAX (which can't be done all the time since the missions are random, some good some bad). just by mining you end up with the 10-60mill an hour (depending on where you mine, yer deepcore give exstreme.. but in safer space your around 10-20 mill every hour)
just saying i think you should consider putting bounty on every ship that your PAYID to shot down... what kind of pilot would agree to this "well i have some cargo i need you to pick up, i will give you 2mill... umm by the way there is 8battleships and a bounch of ships protecting them, you don't mind killing those for free do you?! ahh how nice of you, of you go:P )
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:36:00 -
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the npc's without bounty actually carry a bounty in form of tags at least they used too.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 14/05/2007 22:41:41 Missions without bounties drop tags which are sold for comparable,and sometimes much higher amounts, than NPC bounties. I would also suggest getting into salvaging, market sales, and reprocessing.
In the last 24 hours, I've made about 60 million just running L3 missions, selling what's valuable, salvaging and selling, and reprocessing then selling the minerals.
Mission bounties and payouts are just an appetizer, the real money's made when the deal is done.
And for those people making 10-20 million an hour mining, thems rare. Most people in the belts are just puttering along, training skills, with their eyes on the big money at the end.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 14/05/2007 22:48:34 sorry there are no mobs in eve
you can turn down the missions i believe with no penalty if you did not accept it yet every 4 hours for 1 mission with no penalty ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Alora Venoda
Caldari GalTech
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:57:00 -
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faction ships with no bounties do usually have valuable tags in them. they are pretty well balanced imo.
but rogue drones have no bounties and only have wimpy alloys in them... although i have little experience with drone missions above level 2. do they have more salvage or are the alloys dropped by drone battleships worth 700k like comparable bounties on guristas?
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.14 22:59:00 -
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Typicallly if your getting tags, they are from one of the 4 main factions and as such doing that mission is going to hurt your faction standings towards them. If you dont care about your faction standings, then ignore this message completely. ______________________________
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:00:00 -
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farmers are the only ones that care about ISK, that said have u considered the value of assets when u sell em ?
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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: lusifar on 15/05/2007 00:29:10 okey first of. (after killing 30+ bs with no bounty's :P )the tags your forced to travel to the destroyid ship the bs's normally keeps at a nice 43km+ in radius from you, which means in your bs you will be there emm.. long time;)
second those farmers your talking about?! emm so pvpers don't care about isk?`! what planet of eve do you live on?! o.O every one in eve care about isk, its the only reason for doing missions ( we are talking exsperienced players here so yer we have max standing)
and those miners doing 10-20 mill an hour ... emm no not just rare mat.. this is just lvl 5 exhumer, hulk and t2... don't believe the fully fitted t2 bs which you need to solo all lvl 4 without jumping in and out one million time is any cheaper (for most parts).
so why again is it that there SHOULDN'T be a bounty on all ships in the missions?! i really don't see the clear picture of why? :)
edit: assets is not only found on ships without bounty you know. normally i don't bother getting the assets since it takes longer getting them then it does to do the mission at a mission right now with no bounty so getting the assets about now it have been around one and a half hour and not done yet... yer i see a problem in beeing FORCED to do it... it would be like forcing miners to return to a station instead of putting up a can
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Hellman109
Gallente Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: lusifar Edited by: lusifar on 15/05/2007 00:29:10 okey first of. (after killing 30+ bs with no bounty's :P )the tags your forced to travel to the destroyid ship the bs's normally keeps at a nice 43km+ in radius from you, which means in your bs you will be there emm.. long time;)
Get a second ship in the base for looting.
MWD + AB (so you can deadspace and non-deadspace fast), salvagers and tractors in highs, AB and MWD in mids, expanders if needed in lows.
Its often faster to go back for that ship then to try and loot in anything above a cruiser.
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Michayel Lyon
The Corporation Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: lusifar so why again is it that there SHOULDN'T be a bounty on all ships in the missions?! i really don't see the clear picture of why? :)
Because not all NPC types are wanted by CONCORD?
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:36:00 -
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Simple solution, dont pick up loot in your BS.
It has, what, 600 m3 of space? warp home, get, I dunno, a destroyer? slap on an AB and you'll have 400-500m3 of space going at 400-500ms. Chuck on a tractor, some salvagers, you're a loot scooping machine.
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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Simple solution, dont pick up loot in your BS.
It has, what, 600 m3 of space? warp home, get, I dunno, a destroyer? slap on an AB and you'll have 400-500m3 of space going at 400-500ms. Chuck on a tractor, some salvagers, you're a loot scooping machine.
Seriously, I wish people would consider some actual tactics before forum-whining and eventual realisation this ISNT WoW.
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actually i am using a badger 2. for the looting...
i know the solution, i just don't see the REASON for it to be like this.. its kind of dump made...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:44:00 -
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There is no bounty on ore either.
Instead of bounty you will now have an increased Loyalty point bonus. For that LP you can buy items, which you can use or sell to other players. Just as miners can make stuff from their ore or sell it.
With the removal of bounty the game get even more PvP driven. And the only bounty you can claim in the future will be from ratting or complexing.
I think it is a good change, but tbh. it needs balancing, and the balance is on a very thin thread.
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Hellman109
Gallente Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: lusifar i know the solution, i just don't see the REASON for it to be like this.. its kind of dump made...
Because different ships are better at different jobs.
Welcome to Eve :)
That, or you could go fly level 2 missions and use the one ship to do it all.
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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
There is no bounty on ore either.
Instead of bounty you will now have an increased Loyalty point bonus. For that LP you can buy items, which you can use or sell to other players. Just as miners can make stuff from their ore or sell it.
With the removal of bounty the game get even more PvP driven. And the only bounty you can claim in the future will be from ratting or complexing.
I think it is a good change, but tbh. it needs balancing, and the balance is on a very thin thread.
how come that people THINK that removing stuf will force people to pvp?! no people just leave... besides removing something that brings isk which pays for pvp ships isnt my idea of making pvp more wanted...
the ore have the value in its self...
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.15 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 15/05/2007 01:14:12 And so do the rats
one dead gallente orion = 2.4 mil in tags (unless prices have changed)
I want to run Enemies abound again because tbh the ships without bounties have the best income. 12 dead drone BS gave me 16 mil in minerals in less than an hour. In fact, yeah, i earnt about 30 mil last night in casual (read: not concentrating, doing other RL stuff simultaneously) mish running, the only bounties I earnt were 2* pith usurper, 3 cruise missle batteries and 2 spider II drones, coming to just under 3 mil total.
Heck, just the other night my PvP mate told me how much of a gold mine missions were compared to his 0.0 escapades. Improve Market Competition! |
lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: lusifar on 15/05/2007 02:01:16
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 15/05/2007 01:14:12 And so do the rats
one dead gallente orion = 2.4 mil in tags (unless prices have changed)
I want to run Enemies abound again because tbh the ships without bounties have the best income. 12 dead drone BS gave me 16 mil in minerals in less than an hour. In fact, yeah, i earnt about 30 mil last night in casual (read: not concentrating, doing other RL stuff simultaneously) mish running, the only bounties I earnt were 2* pith usurper, 3 cruise missle batteries and 2 spider II drones, coming to just under 3 mil total.
Heck, just the other night my PvP mate told me how much of a gold mine missions were compared to his 0.0 escapades.
emm not sure where you get your prices from.. i get 750k for em... if i wanna do the honour of flying the 41-80km for it:)
if that is correct, just one more reason to alter it;)
i do not ask to get 10mill a kill.. i just want all that damn annoying things out of the way, so i can just injoy without the irritation
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.05.15 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Siege on 15/05/2007 02:38:04 There may not be bounties, but I've sure made some great profit in lvl4 Drone missions. "Attack of the Drones" sometimes nets me around 20-25mil in minerals, and thats in areas with poor buy-orders. If I transported it all to a trade hub, I'd probably get about 15% more for it all. And the tags add up as well. So your overall income many times is GREATER in a non-bounty type mission, it just takes more work to go get all the stuff and sell it off.
Also remember, the "bounties" are generally placed on outlaw factions that are criminals in empire space. Other factions may be military enemies (Amarr, Gallente), or self replicating machines (Drones). So CCP does try to balance that fact to keep things on some type of parity IF you take advantage of everything being offered to you.
But if you're asking things to be simplified to make your mission running less work, then you're going to be really dissapointed when the Lvl 5+ missions come out. NONE of them are going to give isk bounties.
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lusifar
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Posted - 2007.05.15 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Siege Edited by: Siege on 15/05/2007 02:38:04 There may not be bounties, but I've sure made some great profit in lvl4 Drone missions. "Attack of the Drones" sometimes nets me around 20-25mil in minerals, and thats in areas with poor buy-orders. If I transported it all to a trade hub, I'd probably get about 15% more for it all. And the tags add up as well. So your overall income many times is GREATER in a non-bounty type mission, it just takes more work to go get all the stuff and sell it off.
Also remember, the "bounties" are generally placed on outlaw factions that are criminals in empire space. Other factions may be military enemies (Amarr, Gallente), or self replicating machines (Drones). So CCP does try to balance that fact to keep things on some type of parity IF you take advantage of everything being offered to you.
But if you're asking things to be simplified to make your mission running less work, then you're going to be really dissapointed when the Lvl 5+ missions come out. NONE of them are going to give isk bounties.
yer.. i just dont like all the agro it is too travel so far to get the well deserved loot...
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Ikasu
Gallente The Durandal Organization The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.05.15 04:54:00 -
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Get a tractor beam. My brother in law set up a sheild tanked Mrmidon that could tnak level fours, but instead of weps in the high slots he had tracter beams and salvagers. he does level fours nice and quick, including salvaging and looting. He's got this uber paranoia that the wreck will dissapear before he comes back in another ship.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.05.15 08:31:00 -
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Quote: emm not sure where you get your prices from.. i get 750k for em... if i wanna do the honour of flying the 41-80km for it:)
Indeed, you just confirmed it. Because an Orion drops 3 of these 750k tags.
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Valorem
Amarr Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.15 08:42:00 -
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Thread moved from GD to Missions forum.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.15 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
There is no bounty on ore either.
(a) Instead of bounty you will now have an increased Loyalty point bonus. For that LP you can buy items, which you can use or sell to other players. Just as miners can make stuff from their ore or sell it.
(b) With the removal of bounty the game get even more PvP driven. And the only bounty you can claim in the future will be from ratting or complexing.
I think it is a good change, but tbh. it needs balancing, and the balance is on a very thin thread.
Replyes to you:
(a) no dev blog has even hinted that there will be an increase in LP given, so far the only change is LP has been increasing the LP needed for the good rewards.
I dubt the LP store systen (definited as an ISK sink in the blog presenting it) will require less LP for the same items; I suspect it will require more for the simple reason that you will have the chance of using all the LP you have with a single corp, allowing the players will recover the LP that untill today were wasted, so to keep the present balance LP prices will be increased.
(b) In multiple blog/replyes the Dev have stated that no removal of bunties from the currently existing missions has been annunced. Get your opinion on what that mean.
I don't see how removing the bounties will get the game more PvP driven. Because it move the isk faucet in ratting/complex running? So from a PvE activity to another PvE activity?
Maybe cutting away 50% of the isk faucets (90% or so for high sec) to you seem right,I am reserving my judgement.
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.05.15 11:55:00 -
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I think the general consensus is you're talking nonsense about current missions. And for future missions we don't know enough yet to comment.
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Bach Atreides
21st Centauri Lancers
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: Bach Atreides on 15/05/2007 19:52:08
Originally by: Ikasu Get a tractor beam. My brother in law set up a sheild tanked Mrmidon that could tnak level fours, but instead of weps in the high slots he had tracter beams and salvagers. he does level fours nice and quick, including salvaging and looting. He's got this uber paranoia that the wreck will dissapear before he comes back in another ship.
IMO, Battlecruisers are perfect for mission looting, I used to use a destroyer because they're fast, but I've sinced moved on to the Brutix for it's increased cargo capacity. Destroyers and Battlecruisers both have lot's of high slots for the salvagers and tractor beams, mids: an AB and MWD, and inertia stabilizers in the lows. That ship can move pretty quick and I salvage/loot in no time. I can't believe that other dude was trying to loot his missions in a Battleship.
I wasn't aware of the higher rates of collecting tags in these no bounty missions, I've always just declined them. Maybe I'll take another look at them....
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:20:00 -
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Well, drone missions have no bounty. You loot them and get rare minerals. You still get the lps, mission reward and mission bonuses.
About the "tags but no bounty" I really don't know what missions are those. Mission names please? |
Skiznillz
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Posted - 2007.05.16 06:14:00 -
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I've read that if you bookmark a wreck in deadspace and turn in the mission, you can return to the bookmark the deadspace will be gone so you can use mwd to make wreck clearing faster. I haven't tried it yet however...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.16 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Skiznillz I've read that if you bookmark a wreck in deadspace and turn in the mission, you can return to the bookmark the deadspace will be gone so you can use mwd to make wreck clearing faster. I haven't tried it yet however...
Perfectly true.
And if you lose a ship and want to recover the wreck fast you bookmark it, deliver a failed mission and return to recover what has survived.
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Zo5o
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Posted - 2007.05.16 06:55:00 -
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Quote: "Attack of the Drones" sometimes nets me around 20-25mil in minerals,
Last time I ran it, I made under 10 million in minerals, and that was selling it all in Oursulaert, a major trade hub.
None of the drone missions are worth the time right now, IMO, and I'm told that's due to a Zydrine crash.
Also, I don't feel the missions that drop tags are worth running either, due to the faction hits.
I maintain my stance that I feel missions without bounties should be given a reward or LP boost.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.16 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger About the "tags but no bounty" I really don't know what missions are those. Mission names please?
Techno Secrets (level 3), Enemies Abound (level 4) etc
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