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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
724
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Posted - 2017.05.31 11:42:43 -
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They are definitely rather busy on their primary front. My prayers are with them against the barbarians.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
724
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Posted - 2017.05.31 11:46:31 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out?
Poorly.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2033
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Posted - 2017.05.31 12:01:59 -
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Well that was a given, but there's entertainment value to be had you know? |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1968
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Posted - 2017.05.31 12:45:41 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA? CVA is in Providence, fighting for Providence. As they, frankly, should be. True, I'm pretty sure they have more on their table than they did last time as well. |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
728
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Posted - 2017.05.31 16:23:57 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Well that was a given, but there's entertainment value to be had you know?
Well, I believe his attack on PIE involved all of two destroyer fights and a frigate engagement. We won the destroyer fights and lost the frigate engagement.
So, much ado about nothing?
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
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Hauke Martensen
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
10
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Posted - 2017.05.31 17:15:11 -
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edeity wrote:Obligatory yawn.
Congratulations on a meta play I guess. The real issue is that what happened to us is about to happen to you. No not the warzone loss, the complete atrophy of your factions player engagement where your only contribution is to provide easy picking content for pirates.
Actually it did already happen to us some 21/2 years ago. The bleeding of veteran alliances, corps and capsuleers we suffered then was one of the main factors enabling your side to take the warzone a bit later.
Fortunately we developed a core of very dedicated capsuleers then, which enabled us to recover over time and I believe we should do quite nicely this time, as long as leadership doesn't fumble badly.
....which reminds me...
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
442
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Posted - 2017.05.31 17:43:21 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out? Satisfactory or not will depend solely on person's perspective, certain entities are not part of militia any longer so there is that. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3228
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Posted - 2017.06.04 04:32:46 -
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Arrendis wrote:That sounds a lot like abandoning your posts to let the Gallente retake your space, Diana. Surely once you take it, you have to hold it, no? I am not going to waste my time on casting pearls before swines. They could tell you basics about tactics and strategy in State War Academy, however.... I really doubt they would admit there someone so ungifted.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1547
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Posted - 2017.06.04 07:30:38 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Remind me, what happened the last time this happened?
It strikes me that when the Gallente systems were taken by the Caldari, there was quite the hooh-hah with planets being sold left right and centre, And when the reverse occurred it was the catalyst for the recapture of Caldari Prime.
But when it happened in the Amarr/Minmatar zone, I don't recall seeing anything particularly significant happening.
To know the reason of this, one has to keep in mind that the Caldari/Gallente conflict is different to the Amarr/Minmatar conflict, both in reason as in objectives.
Originally, the Caldari/Gallente conflict was a more classic military campaign, with goals to take & hold Gallente worlds, while the Gallente defended themselves from this unusual Caldari aggression. The Caldari managed to complete this objective, controlling the entirety of the Caldari/Gallente warzone for a good time, with the take & hold and the subsequent auction of Intaki Prime as the largest headline, among other auctions. (The Intaki Prime auction was won by Ishukone
When the Gallente counter-attack began, their objective was clear as well, cut off all the resources from the warzone in order to be able to launch a successful attack on Caldari Prime & remove the threat that was the Caldari Titan in the shared homesystem.
Both sides now completed their objectives & the Caldari/Gallente war now became more a conflict on resources & border conflicts.
The Amarr/Minmatar conflict on the other hand focuses less on territory & planets, but more on a clash of cultures that cannot coexist. The Minmatar wage war to free their kin still enslaved by the Empire, while the Amarr push aggressively to extend the border buffer to provide enhanced security for the Empire & it's people. No specific worlds to liberate, no direct threats to be quelled. At most there's certain symbolic places to take & hold, either because they are sacred ground for the Amarr or hold significance to the Matari tribes.
So when either side takes complete control in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, it's not likely anything major will happen by the ruling go+áverments. What will likely happen however is that the victorious side will grow bold & launches raiding parties/punishment expeditions into the other nation to press on/signify their victory. This did happen before, mainly under capsuleer authorites however.
So in this particular case? Expect Minmatar raiding parties into deep parts of the Empire once more, in an attempt to liberate Minmatar slaves held there.
Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2468
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Posted - 2017.06.04 10:16:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Arrendis wrote:That sounds a lot like abandoning your posts to let the Gallente retake your space, Diana. Surely once you take it, you have to hold it, no? I am not going to waste my time on casting pearls before swines. They could tell you basics about tactics and strategy in State War Academy, however.... I really doubt they would admit there someone so ungifted.
Perhaps you yourself has to attend the State War Academy, because last I checked, every Tactics and Strategy Studies in just about any military academy discusses the importance of holding ground, the strategic and logistical considerations in deciding on which areas to hold and fortify and the various tactics to hold ground.
If you seriously think that you can just capture a territory and call it a day, I am going to seriously wonder exactly where the heck did you even study strategy and tactics.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3228
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Posted - 2017.06.05 11:51:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Perhaps you yourself has to attend the State War Academy,
First, if you would check facts before yapping, you could see that I have actually graduated State War Academy. Yet you decided instead to just dive into mindless barking, showing yourself as another clown in IGS.
Elmund Egivand wrote: because last I checked, every Tactics and Strategy Studies in just about any military academy discusses the importance of holding ground, the strategic and logistical considerations in deciding on which areas to hold and fortify and the various tactics to hold ground.
If you seriously think that you can just capture a territory and call it a day, I am going to seriously wonder exactly where the heck did you even study strategy and tactics.
And second, I don't know what you've checked, but obviously not what I myself has been speaking all these years. Yes, exactly, I was speaking for several years in Intergalactic Summit that we should HOLD the territory, and you here are stupidly trying to prove me that we should do... claiming I said exactly opposite of what I have been saying. Dun-dun-dun.
You know, tribal, buy yourself new reading implants, maybe next time you will manage to reply with something sensible without making a laughingstock of yourself.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1986
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Posted - 2017.06.05 14:07:04 -
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Diana Kim wrote: You know, tribal, buy yourself new reading implants, maybe next time you will manage to reply with something sensible without making a laughingstock of yourself.
He is right to a certain degree, then again your not alone in your fight and constant vigilance isnt an absolute requirement. If you think I'm staying home when every system is under 25% contested and no ones roaming our space..... Lets just say I've already moved on to bluer pastures, until theres a specific need for our defensive roams. |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
970
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Posted - 2017.06.06 09:23:46 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote: You know, tribal, buy yourself new reading implants, maybe next time you will manage to reply with something sensible without making a laughingstock of yourself.
He is right to a certain degree, then again your not alone in your fight and constant vigilance isnt an absolute requirement. If you think I'm staying home when every system is under 25% contested and no ones roaming our space..... Lets just say I've already moved on to bluer pastures, until theres a specific need for our defensive roams.
You could always come shoot blood raiders with me! You all did a great job taking the warzone, and I heard reports of Non-Hostile Target fleets engaging in many small gang style skirmishes with the Amarr, which made me happy to know you still continue that style of fighting. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1987
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Posted - 2017.06.06 14:03:10 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote: You know, tribal, buy yourself new reading implants, maybe next time you will manage to reply with something sensible without making a laughingstock of yourself.
He is right to a certain degree, then again your not alone in your fight and constant vigilance isnt an absolute requirement. If you think I'm staying home when every system is under 25% contested and no ones roaming our space..... Lets just say I've already moved on to bluer pastures, until theres a specific need for our defensive roams. You could always come shoot blood raiders with me! You all did a great job taking the warzone, and I heard reports of Non-Hostile Target fleets engaging in many small gang style skirmishes with the Amarr, which made me happy to know you still continue that style of fighting. I won't deny we had our part, but many other groups did much more than we did. We mainly ran skirmish fleets and aimed to disrupt plexers and other activities. Other groups like U'K and Alwar did alot more of the heavy lifting so to speak. We'll see about an incursion into attacking blooders, at the moment were embarked in a deployment rather far away from our AO, which is largely a training exercise and also my first time and probably Claudia and Tyrel's first practical experience trying to organize/fund a deployment away from our home station. After this last push we've found our very location centric deployment strategy a major hinderance when the final push was on. Yes its been a learning experience and I can say, personally its forced me to think alot more tactically on what war materials and necessities are required to make such a deployment either successful or practical for multiple people with different preferences, depending on how you look at it. |
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